Maybe, but that came at a cost for him and he's paying the cost. That's what makes his character interesting, the growth or at least the punishment for his past transgressions.
Well, if you can ignore someone going from psycopathic children killer to good man, sure.
Let me ask you, what is a more interesting arc to follow: someone that starts out as a shitty human being with some redeeming features and begin to turn his life around around the hardships he pretty much imposed upon himself, or someone that starts out as the lost son of a promised family that can command dragons and is probably a furry on a quest to get cucked by snow women?
The problem is that Jaime had always had an easy life. He endured some hardships but he is still one of the most privileged men in Westeros just by the context in which he was born. He hasn't earned his position and his greater preocupation is losing the love of his bitchy twin sister psycopath. Jon already lost the love of his life, he has endured much more.
Jon is an outcast that starts from the bottom and raises to the top without losing his integrity and his honour, most of the time probably because of those traits is why he roses. He is a far better man than Jaime, he is a far better leader and overall he is a far better fighter, especially now that Jaime is just what Jon has always been all his life; cripples, bastards & broken things.
Thing is, Jon Snow is the hero of the story, Jamie is at best a sympathetic villain. Jamie experiences growth and that makes him more relatable, more human. Jon was born special. Being good and honorable is awesome when it's done right, like Luke in Star Wars. But there needs to be some growth for it to be interesting. Jon is now pretty much the same character he was when the series started. That's fucked up.
But that's because the Jaime's arc is pretty much almost finished, the only thing pending in his arc is Brienne, while Jon is still in the middle of his (in the books).
I would wait to read the last books, because it wouldn't surprise me if there was more than a few twists regarding Jon, Ned, Lyanna, etc...
And Jon wasn't born special, you didn't know since the begining that he was special, that's something that is discovered by the end of the TV series and that is not even confirmed in the books. But regardless, I don't see how the tale of a bastard that rises to the top despite being a bastard, and then finding out he was the king all along is a worse history than a rich swordsmen that loses his ability to fight because he is to cocky.
I think his relationship with Cersei is far better than the fanservice of aunty sex that Jon eventually had with Danny, especially after a season long of Twitter pleasing flirting between them ("holy shit you're so short LOL"). And Robert was a nice character as well, but I didn't see any real chemistry between them. It was clear they hated each other and not even in a kinky hate sex kind of way.
On that I agree, the relationship between Jon and Dany is complete aids. But that's the TV show coming with their Hollywood type of "shocking" ideas. I'm sure GRR Martin is going to handle Jon's destiny far better.
And yes, Robert and Cersei hated each other so profoundly. And that was showed beautifully between the actors, they had a faboulous chemistry, you believed their relationship as if it was real, you believed everything they said as they truly mean it. That doesn't happen with Jaime and Cersei.
He then payed the price for all of those. You can't convince me he's had an easy series, dude is one lost dick away from having it as hard as the prince of sea people.
What?
He is probably the relevant character who has have it more easy. He lost his children with Cersei, but was obvious he didn't care when he raped her in front of his dead son promising her to make more children. The only thing he cared was her.
Most of his life has been a happy life. He can't even begin to compare himself with the hell Theon has gone through.
think that's the idea of this thread. Peak Jamie vs. Peak Jon Snow sans Dragon Ball Z shenanigans. Jamie wins on sheer manliness.
Dragon Ball shenanigans you mean the skinchangers powers? Sorry, but this is A Song Of Ice & Fire, a tale about a super powerful greenser/skinchanger named Bran. If you take that out, then it's not Game Of Thrones.
And Jon in the books has showed to have an incredible amount of phyiscal power. Despite being a boy, he would whoop Jaime's ass by just his sheer force.
I have the theory that skinchagers receive some of the personality/traits of the beasts they skinchange, especially when they are more talented. That's why when Jon gets angry exhibits a super strenght capacity, he has the power and the fierceness of Ghost. Compared to that, the manliness of Jaime is just tiny.
No, because he suffered. And changed. Jon is still the same OP character he was to begin with.
Jaime had a pretty good life and suffered a bit. Jon is the opposite, he has always suffered and had some good moments in between.
Isn't that more interesting than being a messianic zombie truther, possible furry, Call of Duty guest character? And not to mention, Jamie is considered a legendary swordsman. That's the definition of his character. Why would you pick the other guy to win a sword duel?
Jaime is a narcissist obsessed with appear in a book of remarkable feats. And now he will never be legendary because he lost a hand and therefore he is of not value anymore and he never did something remarkable before losing it. Jon already has made history multiple times despite being much younger.
And I would pick Jon because in the world of Ice & Fire there are no rules, so in a combat prime Jaime would always lose against Jon and his capabilities. And that's bearing in mind we haven't even seen Jon in his prime yet.
In the actual timeline, probably only Bran could defeat Jon on one on one. Or the Night King in the show.
