Jack Videogames
Member
Don't you hate when you get stuck in a miniboss? I've given Long Arm Centipede Sen'un more tries than it took me to beat Genichiro. I just suck at fights in enclosed spaces.
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The Bloody-Nine
Member
One of the easiest fights in the game. Just bash the parry button repeatedly and watch his bar fly up, then death blow.
Jack Videogames
Member
Destroys my posture, I'll try using Gokan in my next try
The Bloody-Nine
Member
That should do the trick. Just remember to be ready to jump as he occasionally goes for that stupid pinch move between the attacks you can exploit.
JimiNutz
Banned
Thanks.
I found the building, just need to work out how to get up on the roof now! lol
I'm sure I'll work it out. I may backtrack a bit as well as I think I've missed some bits.
The Bloody-Nine
Member
Yeah, it's not that straightforward to get up there.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
i mean you can either:
1) stand there without your sword up and hit L1 when the attack is coming or
2) already be holding L1, just mashing it again when the attack is coming
the latter will get you refilling your posture bar faster, it refills when you are blocking.
not that you have to fight this way, but it feels easier to me. my finger is already on the button, you know? getting down the perfect deflects is only a matter of getting the timing right on your presses. in that way it's more like a rhythm game. once you know the boss's attack patterns, you know what patterns to hit & when, but all that takes just playing and replaying a fight to learn.
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The Bloody-Nine
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Big fan of DeModcracy. Spoilers, obviously.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
Amazon shows the Future Press game guide as coming out on April 30th. I wonder if the guide has any info that isn't already out there online. It is 529 pages.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/3869930942/?tag=neogaf0e-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/3869930942/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Shifty
Member
Essentially, yes. The game gives you a short window after releasing guard where you'll still block if you get hit, so it's not as risky as it might first seem.
The game will punish you with a reduced perfect parrry window if you mash though, so you can't exploit that particular mechanic for easy wins.
Your posture bar will still take longer to reset that way though. Running away to create safe distance, then holding guard until the enemy re-engages is the faster way and gives them less time to reset their own bar.
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Fuz
Banned
(I'm thinking mostly at my fight with owl and the ape)
My posture bar didn't take any time to reset, since I wasn't blocking at all. Just running away from the blows and around them to hit them.
Trying to do it properly only made my posture bar broken a lot... I suck at parrying. Running like an headless chicken? Worked like a charm.
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Danjin44
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Genichiro ‘s posture is weak, you need to be aggressive against him. In his first phase after jump attack he always follows up with thrust attack that you can Mikiri Counter but in his second phase he either use thrust or sweep attack, if you can counter them with jumping on him when he uses sweep attack and Mikiri Counter his thrusts then you can do nice posture damage on him.
Ivellios
Member
Any tips for
Im stuck hard on him. This is the first boss i cant even get to half of hp after a fair amount of tries, and that is on its first phase...
I dont really need to beat him, since i plan to get the other ending but still the completionist in me wont let me skip him.
Owl Father on Hirata Estate?
Im stuck hard on him. This is the first boss i cant even get to half of hp after a fair amount of tries, and that is on its first phase...
I dont really need to beat him, since i plan to get the other ending but still the completionist in me wont let me skip him.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
at the final boss now, i got to phase 2 of Isshi! only two more to go...
looking forward to the NG+.
looking forward to the NG+.
JRW
Member
Thanks I looked him up after my previous message (I usually dont like to) and I definitely need to focus on staying close and Ive been slacking on using Mikri
I remember Dark Souls (original) had a couple minor bugs when using fps mod but if Parry issues exist here that would be bad lol, I'll just remove the mod for now see if anything feels different.
Psychostar
Member
My friend is coming over today for a speedrun of the game. If we start a new game am I at risk of overwriting my current game's save/playthrough? i haven't yet unlocked NG+ ( just got to endgame location) so I'd hate to accidentally find that starting a new game has overwritten all my progress xD
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#Phonepunk#
Banned
No, starting a new game creates a new save. You can load from between your games via the Load screen. So you can have multiple saves going at once
I have two games currently going, one at the last boss fight, one at Genichiro/LB.
Game has massive replay value. Once you really learn the combat it feels so good to take down mini bosses that have you so much grief in one shot
I have two games currently going, one at the last boss fight, one at Genichiro/LB.
Game has massive replay value. Once you really learn the combat it feels so good to take down mini bosses that have you so much grief in one shot
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comshoplesce
Member
Done with game, it's worst from FS in terms of satisfaction level.
Sold it, case closed.
Sold it, case closed.
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
i'm struggling to bring myself to come back to the game.
soulsborne was frustrating but it felt rewarding when you finally beat a boss but with Sekiro i feel nothing after beating them. it's less like "YES! i feel more powerful and know what i'm doing" and more like "THANK FUCK....i can FINALLY move on it." but the thing is....i really don't feel any urge to keep going. when i say soulsborune is frustrating well i mean Sekiro is FUCKING FRUSTRATING
i'll keep it installed and play it in short bursts. the game isn't bad overall but the bosses are just straight up bullshit and when i gotta cheese them that ruins any enjoyment. i don't mind using strategies to beat a boss but when someone tells you "constantly dodge to the right!" or "go to this place, hang from that ledge, and just keep whackin 'em cause they get stuck in a loop" or "just de-aggro 'em!" that just isn't right and stinks of poor design.
soulsborne was frustrating but it felt rewarding when you finally beat a boss but with Sekiro i feel nothing after beating them. it's less like "YES! i feel more powerful and know what i'm doing" and more like "THANK FUCK....i can FINALLY move on it." but the thing is....i really don't feel any urge to keep going. when i say soulsborune is frustrating well i mean Sekiro is FUCKING FRUSTRATING
i'll keep it installed and play it in short bursts. the game isn't bad overall but the bosses are just straight up bullshit and when i gotta cheese them that ruins any enjoyment. i don't mind using strategies to beat a boss but when someone tells you "constantly dodge to the right!" or "go to this place, hang from that ledge, and just keep whackin 'em cause they get stuck in a loop" or "just de-aggro 'em!" that just isn't right and stinks of poor design.
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#Phonepunk#
Banned
what boss are you having trouble with? they all have different strategies. who are you having trouble with?
remember that blocking is a good way to 1) learn boss attack patterns and 2) build up their posture. to deflect all you have to do is tap the block button whenever they attack you.
just because you can cheese doesn't mean bad design. they allowed room for cheesing, you know they played the hell out of this thing. every boss has logical attacks with tells that can be avoided or otherwise responded to. who are you fighting that is giving you trouble?
remember that blocking is a good way to 1) learn boss attack patterns and 2) build up their posture. to deflect all you have to do is tap the block button whenever they attack you.
just because you can cheese doesn't mean bad design. they allowed room for cheesing, you know they played the hell out of this thing. every boss has logical attacks with tells that can be avoided or otherwise responded to. who are you fighting that is giving you trouble?
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I_D
Member
You're not parrying properly. It should barely affect your posture when you parry.
Once you've practiced a bit against regular enemies, literally just stand still and parry over and over again. He'll be dead in under 60 seconds.
He's the hardest boss in the game, IMO. Took me about 50 tries to kill him. Yet, by the time I got to that final fight, he barely hurt me. It just takes practice.
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The Bloody-Nine
Member
When I first encountered a lot of bosses I thought were total bullshit and I had no chance. You change your tactics, you don't die as quickly. You learn. Failing that, ask for advice. Have a look at a guide.
It's fun discovering the different methods people employ to beat bosses. For example, a friend of mine was having success with firecrackers vs Guardian Ape. I chucked oil at him and torched him.
It's fun discovering the different methods people employ to beat bosses. For example, a friend of mine was having success with firecrackers vs Guardian Ape. I chucked oil at him and torched him.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
Game is a lot of fun and excellent imo. Combat feels great and impactful. Tracking on some of the enemy attacks is insane though. At the final boss. Gonna take some patience. Can almost beat his second phase, but I end up choking.
Danjin44
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For the horse guy, the firecrackers is very effective against him. As for lady butterfly you can use shuriken when she jumps from wire to make her fall and do your best to deflect her attack for Posture damage.Stuck in lady butterfly and horse dude. Any tips or skills specifically needed for this?
My attack power is still very low
#Phonepunk#
Banned
that's what i hear! fine with me, this must be the hardest boss in this, the hardest game ever, i'm sure it will take me a few days doing an hour or so a day. i fought him a bunch tonight, when i started playing i was getting to Isshi with 7 or 8 flasks. by the end, i wasn't even beating him, so i decided i was too sloppy, i should come back to that another day, lol.
so i switched to my other save, at Shugendo, and saw that the message always says "armor stripping prosthetic". wonder if they made that specifically go for this Idol, to troll the player? From are expert trolls, it wouldn't surprise me.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
LB is a tough fight. in the second phase, just run around the perimeter of the room and keep an eye out for the floating butterflies and when she summons them again, hide behind a pillar, and they will miss you. bring shirukens and throw them as she jumps off the wire (she will first jump on it, you want to wait til then, then shoot when she jumps again).
Horse Dude make sure you get the hook shot parry attack skill, it is a special skill you must unlock. it will let you grapple onto his helmet after he charges you (just doge/jump out the way & run to keep him in range) then you can fly towards him and get some attack in. as said, firecrackers scare his horse, so those are free hits as well.
Berserking Guts
Member
Man, I just got to the last boss and, yeah. 5 fights in though and I feel like I have Genichiro down pretty easily, first form Ishin is a little trickier, but once I got his thrusts down and kept his unblockables at bay he wasn't too bad. Currently trying to figure how his second form that seems a lot more punishing but seems easier to parry. Do I have a chance?
I'm gonna take a break and do this in bursts cuz I know this is going to be long and frustrating.
I'm gonna take a break and do this in bursts cuz I know this is going to be long and frustrating.
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You'll be fine. The last phase of the fight is the easiest. As with every other boss, the main point is just to observe what he does. I mean really watch this dude. You've never seen his moveset before, you have no idea what the tells and cues are. Just sit behind umbrella and try to survive as long as you can without even trying to win. His pattern is elaborate but it's not really worse than Genichiro. The second you can approach the fight with a normal heart rate and just a little bit of mental presence, you'll kill him easily.
The Bloody-Nine
Member
You can come back way later in the game and fight LB. Concentrate on the horse dude for now.Stuck in lady butterfly and horse dude. Any tips or skills specifically needed for this?
My attack power is still very low
JimiNutz
Banned
Yeah this is what I did.
Beat horse guy and a few mini bosses, then came back and beat Lady Butterfly easily.
TheDuskwalker
Member
Speedruns for this game is getting goofy.
Jack Videogames
Member
Jack Videogames
Member
I'm better at dodging than parrying so the lack of space here was killing me. Finally I decided to half-cheese it by parrying his 10-hit attack, kiting him until I got my posture back, and repeat. Worked with minimum hassle.
Now I'm in my way to the Ape. Looks promising help me
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The Bloody-Nine
Member
Kite him, too, especially the second part of the fight. Take advantage of the nice big arena. I found throwing oil and setting him on fire made the first part easy.
This is one of the bosses I thought would be impossible after he destroyed me in my first couple of attempts.
Berserking Guts
Member
Will the Umbrella protect against everything? I've never really tried it before. And yeah, that's how I've been mentally framing this fight, as a "test run" instead of thinking I'm gonna win this one, I just kinda let each phase play out so I can observe. I can get to the final phase without using any of my prosthetic tools so that I can use them on his last form.
Those 4 health bars seem kinda imposing at first until you realize you don't even need to bother hitting him, you just need to be good/lucky at parrying and he's in deathblow before you know it.
Danjin44
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I think this biggest difference from any other Souls/Bloodborne. Most fights in Sekiro the posture is more important than the health bar, in most cases you can kill the boss with almost full health.
Berserking Guts
Member
That's what I love about this game. It actively encourages you to play aggressive. I've seen cheese methods of people running in circles and occasionally running in for a single attack when they have a window and the fights can go on for ages cause they're only focused on the health bar (admittedly this is what I did against the guardian ape)
Grinchy
Banned
And then they complain that the game is designed poorly
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
Thats what really bothers me, some people expecting this game to plays exactly like Souls/Bloodborne and once they didn't got that they blamed the game for it.And then they complain that the game is designed poorly
Werewolf Jones
Gold Member
Beat Demon of Hatred and on the final boss... This is savage.
Thing on a Spring
Member
Does anyone know of a checklist of things you should have done before commencing NG+ if you're going for the platinum? I got the immortal severance ending and since cleaned up missed bosses and some mini-bosses but I think I'm still missing some stuff.
The umbrella will protect against basically everything, if you have the spinning version you can use it to test parries. You'll still take chip damage from elemental attacks (I think his "wind" attacks might count for this), and you'll still accumulate posture while you use it. Four health bars is definitely intimidating but just keep in mind that three of those are super easy. The real challenge is the third phase, everything else is mostly fluff.
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#Phonepunk#
Banned
there are some different varieties of the umbrella that specialize in protecting against certain damage (fire, terror, etc.) so be sure to upgrade it
Nydus
Gold Member
And then they complain that the game is designed poorly
The problem is when you are shit at parry the game gets really hard and frustrating. In dark souls you could find the playstyle that matched your ability. In Sekiro your just fucked. And if people are legit frustrated then yes, it's somewhat poor design.
Thing on a Spring
Member
It's not the game's fault if someone can't get the extremely generous parry timing down, so no, it isn't somewhat poor design. It's a case of a poor workman blaming his tools.