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What has Sony done to advance gaming as a whole?
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xool
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I think MS/Sega would/could have done what Sony did eventually - but they have done a lot for gaming
- The original playstation - before then people were paying $70 (like $120 now) for games on cartridges - not only did CDs make that cheaper - Sony (and partners) let the games be cheaper too - Sony's optical disc expertise helped here
- The PS2 - massive for the industry - really advanced 3d graphics in the industry beyond the (expensive) PC niche - Sony's business/marketing power helped here - but also its (and Toshiba's) own electronics expertise too - they actually built their own chips - not sure who else ever had both abilities - if the PS2 didn't happen instead of the xbox we'd still be looking at $1200 3DO machines.
- They killed Sega - maybe not a good thing but it happened due to Sony
I think their real contribution is bring competition (at multiple times in history), and by that making console hardware cheap.
Company's are not the community - the community is ..
I don't get this one either .. wtf does "under Sonys rules" mean ? There isn't any such rules - Sony isn't our ruler either..
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gifgaf
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Yup, if they keep putting out the games we are seeing this gen then bring it on. Microsoft needs to up its game on that department and if they do I will buy more of their shit too.
ethomaz
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1. Games matters
2. Sony has way more exclusives than timed exclusives
3. Sony first-party studios already proved themselves for decades
4. PS1 launched way before N64 with fully 3D games
So each little words you wrote was a lie.
nkarafo
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Why so many here arguing about the PS1 being the first console with 3D games in 1995?
How old are you people?
Why not label that the first? It was even released before the PS1.
How old are you people?
You know the Saturn exists right? Even if you ignore older consoles with 3D games.
Why not label that the first? It was even released before the PS1.
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bellome
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Heavily and consistently investing in pulling out quality games.
That's all I need from my gaming console manufacturer.
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ethomaz
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How do you force yourself to do something? lol
nkarafo
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Another false one.
Sega CD, TurboGrafx CD, 3DO, etc.
This thread should be renamed "PS1 - My first console".
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Aceofspades
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Yes Im happy, and it seems like Im not they only one since PlayStation consoles are the only ones that can sell +100m per gen ... Go find a corner for you to cry and ponder about ways to advance the industry Lol
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ethomaz
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They were launched with a week of difference and the first 3D games where on PlayStation... not Saturn.
BTW did shine in 2D games because it was truly superior in that mode.
Virex
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When the PS1 launched Sony had a no-2D games rule at the beginning.
Kagey K
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Easy, I’m at a buffet and they charged me 25.00 I’m going to force myself to try to eat 25.00 if my body likes it or not.
I’m at a party and I’ll try to force myself to drink more beer then I should.
I can power through it.
It’s easy to force yourself through anything, the fact that you haven’t makes me wonder,
bitbydeath
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Ovek
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Neo Geo CD also beat the PS1 to market by a couple of months in Japan.
Virex
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Virex
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Mine was the NES
ethomaz
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Danjin44
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You kind of remind me of other user who had this obsession hate for Nintendo and now you seem to have some weird hate towards Sony.
I have zero loyalty towards any of the the company. As long as they give me games then I would buy their console and unfortunately this gen Xbox give me nothing, simple as that.
Kagey K
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You are kidding yourself right now, and get wrote of the list of people to have a conversation with.Yes Im happy, and it seems like Im not they only one since PlayStation consoles are the only ones that can sell +100m per gen ... Go find a corner for you to cry and ponder about ways to advance the industry Lol
I don’t know how you think, but this way is pathetic.
ethomaz
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Kagey K
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I wasn’t trying to be biased, I wanted honest reactions and I think I got them.
Your OP did not help your points to begin with.
Some of you just didn’t like the answers you saw.
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gifgaf
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Complain's about arguing and calls people kids, then contribute's to the the argument.
Clever.
bitbydeath
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They also helped push the medium, retaining the need for physical games.
CD/DVD/Blu-ray
CD/DVD/Blu-ray
nkarafo
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But you are sill ignoring the 3DO.
Also the PS1 wasn't that great at 3D, it lacked perspective correction which made the 3D graphics unstable. Even the 3DO was better at this.
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AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
The main thing that advances the games industry is games. That's infallible. If the games are shit, everything else around the edges is completely meaningless. Sony's first party output has been pretty stellar since the PS1, that's the long and short of it.
So? Sony saw the potential in those studios and backed them. Sony/Cerny were so happy working with Naughty Dog after Crash 1-3 and CTR that they bought the studio and from there we got Jak & Daxter, Uncharted and The Last of Us. Regardless of whether you like those franchises or not, they're incredibly popular and sold well. No one has any idea whether or not ND would have continued to be as successful as an independent developer, whether they would've had the resources to create games on such a scale, etc. And that's just a single example.
Could other companies have done the same thing? Sure, but they didn't. Just saying "but other companies could have made the same games!" is such a bad argument. They didn't make those games. They made their own games, many of which also helped things along.
So? Sony saw the potential in those studios and backed them. Sony/Cerny were so happy working with Naughty Dog after Crash 1-3 and CTR that they bought the studio and from there we got Jak & Daxter, Uncharted and The Last of Us. Regardless of whether you like those franchises or not, they're incredibly popular and sold well. No one has any idea whether or not ND would have continued to be as successful as an independent developer, whether they would've had the resources to create games on such a scale, etc. And that's just a single example.
Could other companies have done the same thing? Sure, but they didn't. Just saying "but other companies could have made the same games!" is such a bad argument. They didn't make those games. They made their own games, many of which also helped things along.
Shy Fingers
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You've gone from not advancing to now actively holding back the industry.
Care to elaborate on how specifically Sony is holding back the industry?
mcjmetroid
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Sony have done plenty.
1;: They put the power back into the hands for the third party publisher.. for a while with the PS1. Nintendo in paticular needed a wake up call there and suffered at the hands of the PS1 by poor decisions made for the N64 and Sega just imploded themselves.
2: They marketed their playstation for a wider audience, a more "mature" audience if you will. I think it's safe to say gaming would almost still be considered as a pure children's hobby if Sony hasn't stepped in. You could argue Sega was trying to go this route as well but Sega didn't do it nearly as successfully.
3: Dual Analog controls. They were the first to use this.
1;: They put the power back into the hands for the third party publisher.. for a while with the PS1. Nintendo in paticular needed a wake up call there and suffered at the hands of the PS1 by poor decisions made for the N64 and Sega just imploded themselves.
2: They marketed their playstation for a wider audience, a more "mature" audience if you will. I think it's safe to say gaming would almost still be considered as a pure children's hobby if Sony hasn't stepped in. You could argue Sega was trying to go this route as well but Sega didn't do it nearly as successfully.
3: Dual Analog controls. They were the first to use this.
Airbus Jr
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mcjmetroid
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Trust me we are way better off with Sony as market leader. Nintendo would charge us through the ass for everything if they were market leader. No Price drops, bad online etc etc
Microsoft would make everything a live service and again would charge us through the ass.
Sony aren't perfect by any means but it's the best of many worlds.
AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
Thanks for the thoughtful response. What are you trying to imply?
ethomaz
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Fully 3D games.
The first fully 3D fighting game in the industry was Toshinden in January 1995 for PS1 for example.
PS1 was where fully 3D games were pushed.
nkarafo
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I would argue that Sega tried this first with the Genesis. Though Sony had a much better success with the PS1.
ethomaz
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Do you create a thread to throw a pre-made up conclusion that nobody agreed?
DeepEnigma
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Well for one, another in 2013 would have fucked us all without them being there for that cheeky little game sharing video/stance.
Tripolygon
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PS4 is not the "first" VR console but it is the best we've had so far.
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nkarafo
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Going from "first 3D games" to "first 3D fighting games" seems like moving goalposts.
But even that is false. Virtua Fighter on the Saturn was released before that.
Mr Hyde
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Sony has done a lot for gaming. They were the first one to break video games into the mainstream eye with the Playstation, mostly through innovative commercials that spoke to an older generation. Before that, video games were a sorta niche hobby mostly aimed for kids but with the Playstation it moved out from the basement and centered much of its advertisment and games around adults too, which is one of the reason it was the first console that broke 100 million sold.
The Playstation, while not the first console to do so, it was the console that spearheaded disc based games and 3D-graphics. Sony opted for 3D instead of 2D, like the Saturn, and it payed off in the end. Sony was the first with dual analogue sticks on the controller, which is now standard in gaming.
They were also adamant in bringing certain genres to other parts of the world than Japan and US, mainly JRPGS. Final Fantasy VII was the first FF-game that was released in the west outside of US, and it was much thanks to Sonys Playstation console the game even got made. It was originally planned for N64 but due to limited storage size Sony managed to pursuade Square to release it on their console instead. And the rest is history.
Sony has built incredible studios from the ground up and invested a lot of talent in them, resulting in a lot of groundbreaking games that definitely has moved games forward as a medium. They have been the biggest innovators in cinematic storytelling, laying the groundworks for the use of motion capture and professional voice acting, lifting games up to a new level when it comes to presentation, world building, music and character development. These ingredients have become their MO of late.
They are also prone to listen to developers and have shown great strenghts at building relationships with all sorts of game designers, resulting in the wide variety of games that shows up for Playstation. They have funded and/or created more risktaking projects such as Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, Bloodborne, Vib Ribbon, Puppeteer, Heavy Rain, Gravity Rush, LBP, Tearaway, The Last Guardian just to name a few.
Sony was also the first in making their consoles multimedia focused, with the PSX being able to play CDs, PS2 being able to Play DVDs and so forth. Today it is standard with consoles to include apps and other multimedia functions besides just gaming.
To say Sony has done nothing for gaming, and just counter it with "others could have done that", not only takes away all their achievements, but also shows you what a fucking disrespectful clown shoe you are.
The Playstation, while not the first console to do so, it was the console that spearheaded disc based games and 3D-graphics. Sony opted for 3D instead of 2D, like the Saturn, and it payed off in the end. Sony was the first with dual analogue sticks on the controller, which is now standard in gaming.
They were also adamant in bringing certain genres to other parts of the world than Japan and US, mainly JRPGS. Final Fantasy VII was the first FF-game that was released in the west outside of US, and it was much thanks to Sonys Playstation console the game even got made. It was originally planned for N64 but due to limited storage size Sony managed to pursuade Square to release it on their console instead. And the rest is history.
Sony has built incredible studios from the ground up and invested a lot of talent in them, resulting in a lot of groundbreaking games that definitely has moved games forward as a medium. They have been the biggest innovators in cinematic storytelling, laying the groundworks for the use of motion capture and professional voice acting, lifting games up to a new level when it comes to presentation, world building, music and character development. These ingredients have become their MO of late.
They are also prone to listen to developers and have shown great strenghts at building relationships with all sorts of game designers, resulting in the wide variety of games that shows up for Playstation. They have funded and/or created more risktaking projects such as Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, Bloodborne, Vib Ribbon, Puppeteer, Heavy Rain, Gravity Rush, LBP, Tearaway, The Last Guardian just to name a few.
Sony was also the first in making their consoles multimedia focused, with the PSX being able to play CDs, PS2 being able to Play DVDs and so forth. Today it is standard with consoles to include apps and other multimedia functions besides just gaming.
To say Sony has done nothing for gaming, and just counter it with "others could have done that", not only takes away all their achievements, but also shows you what a fucking disrespectful clown shoe you are.
mcjmetroid
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It's true but Sony has the marketing perfect. At least where I was living. Perfect mid 90s marketing, using older people playing games partying and using club music and psychedelic visuals to pump the system in ads. Was great for the time and it never came off as being kiddy which was important to them. Using games like Wipeout to market it etc.
I'm sure Sega would have went this route as well (I'm not sure the Genesis did it, sure it was edgier than Nintendo's ads but not by a whole lot) and kinda did but the Saturn was such a failure in every other way it's hard to tell what could have happened.
AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
... What? What's Tomb Raider got to do with any of what I said? Can you actually make a point instead of being obtuse about it?
Airbus Jr
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Danjin44
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Answer me this, why Yakuza games that are starting to come to PC is not coming out on Xbox?
Shy Fingers
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So we against capitalism now? That's kind of how it works. New ideas make a big hit at the market at first, but the real money comes from executing that idea correctly. Usually the first step and the second are not done by the same company.
Hell, look at Fortnite. Every company does it.
Kagey K
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So am I really. It would be nice if we had competing companies in the online space, but one doesn’t want to do it and the other is so far ahead.
We are being held back.
mcjmetroid
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This is beginning to come off like a "My first system war thread" to be honest.
I'm guessing you're around 15-19 years old?
Own an XboxOne but not a Playstation?
Maybe your mate owns a PS4?
Am I right so far?
ethomaz
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I think you are confusing things here lol
Toshinden was the first fighting game to put 3D characters in a 3D environment featuring a sidestep maneuver.
Even today it is credited to leading the genre into the “true 3D”.
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Airbus Jr
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