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[Scopa]

Indeed. Indeed.

And I'm pretty sure they're saying exactly the same thing.

I wouldn’t know. I’ve never clicked on a single Reeesetera link. You couldn’t pay me enough to go there.

Well perspective matters. It would be better to not be antagonistic and instead be constructive and just ignore that which bothers you.

I made a statement based on history and fact whereas you said this:

You guys sound like a jaded ex, who is pissed that your former spouse got the house and kids.

It would be sad, if it was not so pathetic.

Who is the one being antagonistic?

 

[mckmas8808]

Do you a substantive rebuttal to what was said? Or did you just skim it, say to yourself “y’all transphobic”, and then stopped looking at it so you wouldn’t have to think too hard about your own beliefs?

I have a feeling it’s the latter.

The fault is that you seem to believe what I feel about Trans people are my "own beliefs". They aren't my beliefs, but the beliefs of actual Trans people in general and also what the physical science shows and the social science shows. It'd be like someone trying to talk me into believing that black people are inferior to white people. We both know that's not true and it's not my "belief" that it's not true. It's just false on its face.

In the same way the Earth is not flat. It's not my "belief" that the Earth is round. It just is.

 

[chaos789]

Agreed. Stop posting trans, non binary and gay shit for attention. It doesn't need to be broadcasted.

And maybe you should stop getting triggered when people do it. And just ignore it.

Wouldnt it be healthier to be more constructive and look inward instead of outward?

 

[chaos789]

I wouldn’t know. I’ve never clicked on a single Reeesetera link. You couldn’t pay me enough to go there.



I made a statement based on history and fact whereas you said this:



Who is the one being antagonistic?

I am not trying to intentionally antagonize. I apologize if I came across that way. I just wish people could stop getting outraged about everything and this goes for both sides.

 

[brap]

And maybe you should stop getting triggered when people do it. And just ignore it.

Wouldnt it be healthier to be more constructive and look inward instead of outward?

No it's everywhere. Fuck avengers, fuck gay flags, fuck game of thrones, fuck rainbows, fuck smash bros, and fuck everything else.

 

[FearlessBelgian]

No it's everywhere. Fuck avengers, fuck gay flags, fuck game of thrones, fuck rainbows, fuck smash bros, and fuck everything else.

The last bulwark has all this is the Japanese games and anime, but until when? I'm afraid they will comply with Western demands ...

 

[iconmaster]

I can honestly say that if You feel antagonized it's because You're not actually doing the "let live" part.

Like the pro-transgenderism psychologist who got kicked off Twitter for not being pro enough, right?

No middle ground.

 

[chaos789]

I'm not sure this is the wisest thing to say in defense of trans people

I have been commenting on how people on both sides overreact and see outrage everywhere.

 

[RokkanStoned]

Look dont get me wrong somenof the people on resetera are very easily triggered. Not all of them, as they tend to argue with each other a lot too. I got banned by resetera months ago for some stupid shit. But honestly its whatever, I do not really give a damn.

Of course you care, otherwise you wouldn't point it out numerous times. Really, since you know that people from Resetera come here, then I don't see why you would take issue with Scopa mention that it seemed like people from Resetera came here.

As you've participated in the Resetera thread, then you also know that some people here don't blame the general population of Resetera, while some do. Generally most people, including EviLore , don't really view all Resetera users as betrayers or as the people responsible for what happened on NeoGAF or as bad in any way. People went where they felt like the community as a whole were going. We know now that what actually happened was because of anti-GAF people on the outside and from certain figures on the inside that the forum was brought down.
That said, the people in charge of Resetera certainly are controlling and authoritarian. Which is why we have an ass thread and a boob thread and they don't.

Spoiler: nsfw bounce

We really wouldn't be talking this much about Resetera if you hadn't suddenly taken offense to Scopa 's remark. A quick search of this thread shows just a single remark regarding Resetera on page 1 and that's one using it as an example of the polarized and similar extremes on both sides in terms of being angry at games. Then Scopa commented on Resetera bannings because of certain drive-by comments, including a nonsensical one about white supremacy. Honestly, it feels like you are the one making this a big deal.

 

[Whitesnake]

The fault is that you seem to believe what I feel about Trans people are my "own beliefs". They aren't my beliefs, but the beliefs of actual Trans people in general and also what the physical science shows and the social science shows. It'd be like someone trying to talk me into believing that black people are inferior to white people. We both know that's not true and it's not my "belief" that it's not true. It's just false on its face.

In the same way the Earth is not flat. It's not my "belief" that the Earth is round. It just is.

What criteria do you go by where the belief that a man who want to cut his dick off is a woman is valid, but the belief that white people are inherently better than black people is not valid.

I’d say they’re both invalid. The latter is invalid because comparing two giant populations earth with a wide amount genettic and cultural variances is a fruitless effort birthed from an excuse to talk shit to another race. The former is invalid because if someone is naturally/genetically a male, no amount of hormones, surgeries, or clothes is gonna change that.

You say “physical science” and “social science” yet you neglect to actually cite anything.

I’m willing to believe that they are people who have brains similar to the opposite sex. I’m willing to believe there are people that look at their natural body and wish to change it (body dysmorphia exists seperate from transgenderism), what I am not willing to believe is that a dude in a dress taking hormone pills is the same thing as an actual woman. Asking me to look at these and say that they’re women is the same as asking me to look at a globe and say that it’s flat.

It’s just not happenin, chief.

 

[chaos789]

No it's everywhere. Fuck avengers, fuck gay flags, fuck game of thrones, fuck rainbows, fuck smash bros, and fuck everything else.

What does The Avengers, Game of Thrones, and Smash Brothers have to do with this? Why do gay flags bother you so much?

 

[chaos789]

Of course you care, otherwise you wouldn't point it out numerous times. Really, since you know that people from Resetera come here, then I don't see why you would take issue with brap 's mention that it seemed like people from Resetera came here.

As you've participated in the Resetera thread, then you also know that some people here don't blame the general population of Resetera, while some do. Generally most people, including EviLore , don't really view all Resetera users as betrayers or as the people responsible for what happened on NeoGAF or as bad in any way. People went where they felt like the community as a whole were going. We know now that what actually happened was because of anti-GAF people on the outside and from certain figures on the inside that the forum was brought down.
That said, the people in charge of Resetera certainly are controlling and authoritarian. Which is why we have an ass thread and a boob thread and they don't.

Spoiler: nsfw bounce

We really wouldn't be talking this much about Resetera if you hadn't suddenly taken offense to brap 's remark. A quick search of this thread shows just a single remark regarding Resetera on page 1 and that's one using it as an example of the polarized and similar extremes on both sides in terms of being angry at games. Then brap commented on Resetera bannings because of certain drive-by comments, including a nonsensical one about white supremacy. Honestly, it feels like you are the one making this a big deal.

I was not talking to brap in this thread about resetera. I was responding to Scopa about resetera. And I am not taking offense, I just don't understand why its always brought up. But in all honesty, I do not really give a shit. Just because I asked about it in a thread does not mean I am sitting here stressing it, because I'm not.

As far as what I said in the past. That was the past and I was just recently perma banned and just stopped caring honestly.

 

[brap]

What does The Avengers, Game of Thrones, and Smash Brothers have to do with this? Why do gay flags bother you so much?

It's everywhere and annoying. I don't care what it is if it's constantly being in my face I'm not gonna like it.

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

No it's everywhere. Fuck avengers, fuck gay flags, fuck game of thrones, fuck rainbows, fuck smash bros, and fuck everything else.

 

[chaos789]

It's everywhere and annoying. I don't care what it is if it's constantly being in my face I'm not gonna like it.

How is it brought up or in your face in Avengers or Game of Thrones? I am genuinely curious, because I am not seeing it.

I assume you are referring to that corny part in Endgame, where all of the females showed up? It was cheesy, but it was not really that big of a deal.

 

[RokkanStoned]

I was not talking to brap in this thread about resetera. I was responding to Scopa about resetera. And I am not taking offense, I just don't understand why its always brought up.

Sorry, you are indeed correct, it was indeed Scopa (what can I say? Scopa is totally unrememberable ). But the point still stands, just switch out brap with Scopa . Scopa made a passing remark based on actual posts in this thread and a known phenomenon (people coming from Resetera drive-by posting). Then you somehow cared a lot about that remark, leading to just further talking about Resetera, when it hadn't ever really turned into the subject. I feel like you're a part of a self-fulfilling loop here. "Don't bring _it_ up" leading to _it_ for real being brought up and derailing things.

 

[chaos789]

Sorry, you are indeed correct, it was indeed Scopa (what can I say? Scopa is totally unrememberable ). But the point still stands, just switch out brap with Scopa . Scopa made a passing remark based on actual posts in this thread and a known phenomenon (people coming from Resetera drive-by posting). Then you somehow cared a lot about that remark, leading to just further talking about Resetera, when it hadn't ever really turned into the subject. I feel like you're a part of a self-fulfilling loop here. "Don't bring _it_ up" leading to _it_ for real being brought up and derailing things.

I wouldn't even be discussing it now, if you would stop bringing it up. None of this is even as big of a deal as you are making it out to be or at least to me it isn't.

I'm just chillin at that moment man.

 

[Painskiller]

So what? I'm interested in playing, not in politics. I don't care.

 

[SonGoku]

This lady got pretty close.
Even got to the counter of a games store but then..... Oh no

Reminds me of this:


But with the costumer/clerk roles reversed.
(if you want a quick laugh skip to 2:20)

 

[Scopa]

Sorry, you are indeed correct, it was indeed Scopa (what can I say? Scopa is totally unrememberable ). But the point still stands, just switch out brap with Scopa . Scopa made a passing remark based on actual posts in this thread and a known phenomenon (people coming from Resetera drive-by posting). Then you somehow cared a lot about that remark, leading to just further talking about Resetera, when it hadn't ever really turned into the subject. I feel like you're a part of a self-fulfilling loop here. "Don't bring _it_ up" leading to _it_ for real being brought up and derailing things.

Hey. You’re just jealous.

And unobservant.

Spoiler

EDIT: Best Brap right here.

 

[MagnesG]

I'll help trans people according to human rights that had been adhered to the mass since ages. No need for exclusive treatments when those things all comes down to extreme madness in the name of so called 'freedom' at the end.

 

[brap]

How is it brought up or in your face in Avengers or Game of Thrones? I am genuinely curious, because I am not seeing it.

I assume you are referring to that corny part in Endgame, where all of the females showed up? It was cheesy, but it was not really that big of a deal.

No I just mean that shit is everywhere. Literally all over the internet people pissing their pants about the new avengers movie spoilers. Then last night people whining about stupid games of thrones. It's annoying when every corner of the internet is infected by trash.

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

I agree, to a degree. For me personally, I've known two transgender people in real life. The first one is someone I met at an arcade while playing DDR. Male to Female transgender person. Used the name Ema and female pronouns. One of the very first things she said to me when we met at the arcade was "By the way, I'm trans and I go by Ema, I just wanted to let you know because some people get weirded out by that." I was like "Are you serious? That's not even an issue, I'm cool with everybody so long as they aren't harming people. Don't even fret, nice to meet you Ema!" Over time, we became pretty good friends and I slowly got used to calling her Ema and using female pronouns to refer to her. This was honestly difficult for me because she still looked like a tall and lanky 20 something year old man, albeit with long hair and the occasional tight, pink hoodie.

I slipped up maybe twice when I was speaking rapidly and ended up saying "he" instead of "she" and she called me out on it instantly. I was like "Shit, sorry...". For the most part, Ema was fun to be around although, she had this annoying thing where she would bash EVERYBODY and felt like she was superior and self-entitled to every little thing. She literally said one day, while walking through Wal-Mart with me and a couple friends, "Dude, everyone in here is so ugly, WTF?" And she was totally serious about it. After a while, I couldn't stand her superiority complex especially when it came to DDR and rhythm games in general. She always acted like she was more skilled at the game than anyone else and whenever I'd whoop her in the game, she'd get pissed. Apart from that, it was the constant bitching and moaning about politics, trans rights, Bernie Sanders and Trump (this was around 2015), stories about not knowing which public bathroom to use and how she couldn't find a job because she is trans (when in reality, she was just incredibly picky and didn't want to work at a fast food joint or retail because she felt she was above that...as a 20 year old who lived at home with her mom and typically crashed and mooched at a friend's house). When I'd go hang at my buddy's house (the guy who let Ema crash at his place often and owned his own DDR machine), I just wanted to play DDR, watch anime, and just chill...but anytime Ema was there, I had to brace myself because I knew an angry tirade about the latest transphobic news articles would commence and it always did.

I never had anything against her just because she was transgender. But she was constantly just bashing people left and right for things that she felt she deserved or should be entitled to. When she started taking hormones, she would constantly be training her voice and finding any chance she could to talk about how much her boobs are growing and how sore they are. I was just thinking to myself "Yo...I'm over here visiting so I can play some DDR and shoot the shit, do we really have to keep hearing about how sore your boobs are and how crappy the hormones are making you feel?". Obviously I cared about my friend and how she was feeling but dang...I admit it got tiring listening to her woes and complaints and thoughts on trans-only locker rooms / bathrooms or which presidential candidate should win. She was like a walking, talking Facebook / Yahoo News feed. You could never get upset with her about anything or call her out on any of her behavior because she would get offended and flip it around as if you were oppressing her because she is transgender. I mean, she'd do shit like rummage through our friend's cabinets and eat up his food, leave dirty dishes around, train her voice loudly with a microphone and headphones on at all hours of the day, and all sorts of other things that started to annoy my friend who was letting her crash at his place from time to time. It just boiled down to her being an inconsiderate person who never had a job in her life and felt like she was correct 100% all the time. To be honest, through all my interactions with her, she just didn't seem to be very happy and I suppose maybe that could be chalked up to everything she has to deal with from being transgender coupled with still living at home and not knowing what to do with life.

The only time she truly became happy was when she started dating a female to male transgender person and THAT was some confusing stuff for me because he looked absolutely female but used a male name and male pronouns. So anytime I spoke about them around our friends, I had to slowly speak so I can get the pronouns correct or I'd just use their names instead. What boggled my mind was when Ema told me they had started having sex because I always wondered to myself what goes through their minds during sex? Ema is a male to female transgender person who looks like a male and has a penis. Her boyfriend is a female to male transgender person who looks female and has a vagina. What would go through their minds regarding that as they are having sex? I never asked her but it was always a curiosity to me. Anyway, Ema was my first interaction with someone who is transgender and while it wasn't negative exactly, it was truly tiring. She would get offended at any and every thing and always talked as if she were owed stuff on a silver platter otherwise said person/entity/company was bigoted and transphobic. But I'm well aware that all transgender people are not the same as Ema, I'd be a fucking idiot to believe that or imply that. I mean shit, I'm black and people used to harp on me because I didn't "act black" or "black enough" and I was just like come the fuck on...not all black people say and do the same shit.

Speaking on that, my second personal experience with someone transgender is a bit of an ironic one. I found out through my ex girlfriend (we were dating at the time) that my best friend from childhood was transgender. She noticed on his Facebook that he was wearing makeup and a dress in a photo he posted. I was like "What?! Nah, that's just how he is, he's always been a jokester like that and loves doing weird stuff. He used to come to school dressed in tin foil or wrapped in carpets with a toaster and extension cord for a belt!" She told me she thinks it's not that and that he really IS transgender. I was in disbelief and went to go look at his profile. Sure enough, it turns out he had come out as transgender. The reason I didn't know my best friend from childhood was transgender is because, well, we had a falling out after I dated his ex girlfriend back in high school. In my defense, I didn't know that was a thing you shouldn't do (at the time) and I was fucking idiot and very naive with women back then. They only dated for a couple weeks and I didn't even mean to get together with her. I was literally just cheering her up on the bus with some music from my MP3 player because I noticed she was sad. She took a liking to me and then we started hanging out and I was completely and utterly infatuated with this girl. I never meant for that to happen.

Anyway, she and I eventually realized dating behind his back wasn't a good thing and we broke up and told him about it. Which was a weird thing to do now that I think about it. But it was also to preemptively beat a friend of ours who was the one who found out initially and told us "that's not cool" and that he was gonna let him know because he has a right to know. After we got to him first and told him, our friendship soured and he basically hated my guts after that and became incredibly hostile and emo and dramatic. The day we broke up and told him, we decided the three of us should go hang out at the arcade/mall together and smooth things out. Kind of fucked up when I think about it but I was in high school, I didn't fucking know what to do in that situation. As we were driving up to the mall, he asked me to stop the car and pull over. He silently got out, walked up to the brick wall of a building, punched it a bunch of times, turned around, and walked back to the car and got in. His hand was bleeding and I was like "What was that about?". He told me he had to go punch something to keep from hitting me lmao. I was thinking "Uh...okay then. I'm glad for YOUR sake that you DIDN'T punch me because that shit wouldn't have ended well." but I stayed silent and let him have his moment of rage because after all, I did date his ex girlfriend.

So anyway, the reason I even bring up this ex girlfriend story is because it was at this point that we said we were still friends and we did still hang out with our group of friends...but he became a total asshole to me. The racist kind. Granted, he was always the edgy type. He was in love with South Park, told dead baby jokes to people at school, drew dicks everywhere, constantly tried to gross people out or make them feel like shit. I think it was a defense mechanism because before he and I became friends in junior high, he was literally the most unpopular kid in school. The cliche thing where people bullied him for no reason other than his family was poor and he was dirty and smelled bad. I'm not making that up. It's how things were for him. He had zero friends before I came along. So I think it helped him develop a sharp tongue and he'd use it to pop off at the mouth to people bullying him but it got to the point where he was just shooting at the hip to EVERYONE whether they deserved it or not, he was just a very brash and unfiltered person. But this was different. He started to tell n*gger jokes at lunch time with me sitting right there. He'd always find some way to slip a black joke in or make a crack about black people so he could get a rise out of me. I ignored it. We ended up going on this camping trip with some friends and the entire fucking time, it was just n*gger this and n*gger that. There was even this rumor I heard that he apparently wanted to make a shirt that says "I want to slit zeioIIIDX's throat" (it would have my real name, obviously lol). That kinda alarmed me.

Well we graduated high school but our friendship was never the same and years passed. I was in my mid twenties and we caught up on Facebook and I apologized to him again for dating his ex and I even visited home (Chicago) and brought along my girlfriend at the time and we all chilled like old times. He seemed like his normal self, he was super friendly and everything. He was rocking a ponytail and a huge mustache lol. Not even a couple weeks later, I find out from my girlfriend that she thinks he's transgender. I ended up contacting him on Facebook and he confirmed it and I asked her (referring to my friend as female from this point forward) how her family took the news. She said not very well. Her dad kinda disowned her. I told her she's got my support and I've got her back and she'll always be my friend no matter what and she was really happy to hear those words. She would often make posts on Facebook about trans rights and would sometimes tell me about how hard it is being transgender and how she's been getting hate from people left and right.

The reason I say this story is ironic is because it made me think back to all those times in high school when she was telling n*gger jokes and being a racist piece of shit directly and indirectly to me and how she made me feel like such a piece of crap. I was thinking "Oh, so NOW you want to talk about feeling inclusive and feeling loved by people and how hard it is to be different?" Part of me felt like this was karma for how she treated me for being black. The other part of me was sympathetic because this was someone I had been friends with since 6th grade, someone who I shared countless amazing memories with and cared about. Unfortunately, I don't keep in touch with her much these days. It's kinda tough when she lives in Illinois and I'm in Bumfuck, Mississippi. But my interactions with her after she came out as transgender were never negative. It just made me wonder whether she ever thought about how she made me feel with her racist antics when thinking about how she feels being shit on by people for being transgender. I knew her really, really well growing up and never got the feeling she didn't feel like a man. She once stated that she is bisexual but we all took that as a joke because, again, that's how she was. She joked about literally everything and you could never, ever take her serious or take anything she said at face value. But maybe she really was bi at the time...

I don't know what it feels like to be transgender so I won't speak on whether I think it should be viewed/treated as a mental illness. I didn't even know that transgender people existed or was a thing until 6 years ago. I knew about transsexuals and hermaphrodites but those are different things. It feels like after finding out about transgender people 6 years ago, it's become very, very, very, very prevalent and I wonder why that is. How did I personally go 26 years never once hearing the word "transgender" or meeting a transgender person to suddenly having two transgender friends and knowing a handful of others through other friends? Does it really have something to do with Caitlyn Jenner transitioning? Was that the catalyst? I like to think I don't live under a rock like Patrick Star and I've been around the block on the internet but I don't know...

Congrats on writing such a long post that nevertheless held my interest and is well worth reading.

 

[Oddvintagechap]

So is the OP a Social Injustice Warrior?
Maybe you should start a forum "Games with no Gay Easter eggs " so you can list non offending games. Then after that you can list games that have "could be interpreted" gay references. So you can be safe. Protect the kids.

No it's everywhere. Fuck avengers, fuck gay flags, fuck game of thrones, fuck rainbows, fuck smash bros, and fuck everything else.

Tear. 4. U.

 

[Platinumstorm]

Private game, who cares? I don't understand why people take the time to be upset about this.

 

[chaos789]

No I just mean that shit is everywhere. Literally all over the internet people pissing their pants about the new avengers movie spoilers. Then last night people whining about stupid games of thrones. It's annoying when every corner of the internet is infected by trash.

You are still not being specific. Can you provide a specific example of what you are referring to in regards to Game of Thrones or The Avengers?

Or are you just referring to people bitching in general about anything?

 

[RokkanStoned]

You are still not being specific. Can you provide a specific example of what you are referring to in regards to Game of Thrones or The Avengers?

Or are you just referring to people bitching in general about anything?

Does that make it bitchception?

 

[brap]

You are still not being specific. Can you provide a specific example of what you are referring to in regards to Game of Thrones or The Avengers?

Or are you just referring to people bitching in general about anything?

Just people about everything. Everywhere online you go it's either marvel movies, game of thrones, something gay happened and it's amazing for some reason, something trans happened and that's amazing for some reason. I don't even hate gay people or anything I'm just tired of hearing about it. I thought we were supposed to see these people as normal not special snowflakes with their colors and flags. A hat in time is some childrens platformer not deus ex or the last of us. It's just an empty gesture to get people talking about their game. It's the internet age no matter how well something in a game is hidden everybody will know about it within like a week. At this point I'm basically just bitching.

 

[oagboghi2]

How is it brought up or in your face in Avengers or Game of Thrones? I am genuinely curious, because I am not seeing it.

I assume you are referring to that corny part in Endgame, where all of the females showed up? It was cheesy, but it was not really that big of a deal.

I think he is talking about the part where the Russo brothers decided the best way to show half of the human population was gone was a dude confessing he had a bad time during his Grindr date.

 

[Antoon]

I agree, to a degree. For me personally, I've known two transgender people in real life. The first one is someone I met at an arcade while playing DDR. Male to Female transgender person. Used the name Ema and female pronouns. One of the very first things she said to me when we met at the arcade was "By the way, I'm trans and I go by Ema, I just wanted to let you know because some people get weirded out by that." I was like "Are you serious? That's not even an issue, I'm cool with everybody so long as they aren't harming people. Don't even fret, nice to meet you Ema!" Over time, we became pretty good friends and I slowly got used to calling her Ema and using female pronouns to refer to her. This was honestly difficult for me because she still looked like a tall and lanky 20 something year old man, albeit with long hair and the occasional tight, pink hoodie.

I slipped up maybe twice when I was speaking rapidly and ended up saying "he" instead of "she" and she called me out on it instantly. I was like "Shit, sorry...". For the most part, Ema was fun to be around although, she had this annoying thing where she would bash EVERYBODY and felt like she was superior and self-entitled to every little thing. She literally said one day, while walking through Wal-Mart with me and a couple friends, "Dude, everyone in here is so ugly, WTF?" And she was totally serious about it. After a while, I couldn't stand her superiority complex especially when it came to DDR and rhythm games in general. She always acted like she was more skilled at the game than anyone else and whenever I'd whoop her in the game, she'd get pissed. Apart from that, it was the constant bitching and moaning about politics, trans rights, Bernie Sanders and Trump (this was around 2015), stories about not knowing which public bathroom to use and how she couldn't find a job because she is trans (when in reality, she was just incredibly picky and didn't want to work at a fast food joint or retail because she felt she was above that...as a 20 year old who lived at home with her mom and typically crashed and mooched at a friend's house). When I'd go hang at my buddy's house (the guy who let Ema crash at his place often and owned his own DDR machine), I just wanted to play DDR, watch anime, and just chill...but anytime Ema was there, I had to brace myself because I knew an angry tirade about the latest transphobic news articles would commence and it always did.

I never had anything against her just because she was transgender. But she was constantly just bashing people left and right for things that she felt she deserved or should be entitled to. When she started taking hormones, she would constantly be training her voice and finding any chance she could to talk about how much her boobs are growing and how sore they are. I was just thinking to myself "Yo...I'm over here visiting so I can play some DDR and shoot the shit, do we really have to keep hearing about how sore your boobs are and how crappy the hormones are making you feel?". Obviously I cared about my friend and how she was feeling but dang...I admit it got tiring listening to her woes and complaints and thoughts on trans-only locker rooms / bathrooms or which presidential candidate should win. She was like a walking, talking Facebook / Yahoo News feed. You could never get upset with her about anything or call her out on any of her behavior because she would get offended and flip it around as if you were oppressing her because she is transgender. I mean, she'd do shit like rummage through our friend's cabinets and eat up his food, leave dirty dishes around, train her voice loudly with a microphone and headphones on at all hours of the day, and all sorts of other things that started to annoy my friend who was letting her crash at his place from time to time. It just boiled down to her being an inconsiderate person who never had a job in her life and felt like she was correct 100% all the time. To be honest, through all my interactions with her, she just didn't seem to be very happy and I suppose maybe that could be chalked up to everything she has to deal with from being transgender coupled with still living at home and not knowing what to do with life.

The only time she truly became happy was when she started dating a female to male transgender person and THAT was some confusing stuff for me because he looked absolutely female but used a male name and male pronouns. So anytime I spoke about them around our friends, I had to slowly speak so I can get the pronouns correct or I'd just use their names instead. What boggled my mind was when Ema told me they had started having sex because I always wondered to myself what goes through their minds during sex? Ema is a male to female transgender person who looks like a male and has a penis. Her boyfriend is a female to male transgender person who looks female and has a vagina. What would go through their minds regarding that as they are having sex? I never asked her but it was always a curiosity to me. Anyway, Ema was my first interaction with someone who is transgender and while it wasn't negative exactly, it was truly tiring. She would get offended at any and every thing and always talked as if she were owed stuff on a silver platter otherwise said person/entity/company was bigoted and transphobic. But I'm well aware that all transgender people are not the same as Ema, I'd be a fucking idiot to believe that or imply that. I mean shit, I'm black and people used to harp on me because I didn't "act black" or "black enough" and I was just like come the fuck on...not all black people say and do the same shit.

Speaking on that, my second personal experience with someone transgender is a bit of an ironic one. I found out through my ex girlfriend (we were dating at the time) that my best friend from childhood was transgender. She noticed on his Facebook that he was wearing makeup and a dress in a photo he posted. I was like "What?! Nah, that's just how he is, he's always been a jokester like that and loves doing weird stuff. He used to come to school dressed in tin foil or wrapped in carpets with a toaster and extension cord for a belt!" She told me she thinks it's not that and that he really IS transgender. I was in disbelief and went to go look at his profile. Sure enough, it turns out he had come out as transgender. The reason I didn't know my best friend from childhood was transgender is because, well, we had a falling out after I dated his ex girlfriend back in high school. In my defense, I didn't know that was a thing you shouldn't do (at the time) and I was fucking idiot and very naive with women back then. They only dated for a couple weeks and I didn't even mean to get together with her. I was literally just cheering her up on the bus with some music from my MP3 player because I noticed she was sad. She took a liking to me and then we started hanging out and I was completely and utterly infatuated with this girl. I never meant for that to happen.

Anyway, she and I eventually realized dating behind his back wasn't a good thing and we broke up and told him about it. Which was a weird thing to do now that I think about it. But it was also to preemptively beat a friend of ours who was the one who found out initially and told us "that's not cool" and that he was gonna let him know because he has a right to know. After we got to him first and told him, our friendship soured and he basically hated my guts after that and became incredibly hostile and emo and dramatic. The day we broke up and told him, we decided the three of us should go hang out at the arcade/mall together and smooth things out. Kind of fucked up when I think about it but I was in high school, I didn't fucking know what to do in that situation. As we were driving up to the mall, he asked me to stop the car and pull over. He silently got out, walked up to the brick wall of a building, punched it a bunch of times, turned around, and walked back to the car and got in. His hand was bleeding and I was like "What was that about?". He told me he had to go punch something to keep from hitting me lmao. I was thinking "Uh...okay then. I'm glad for YOUR sake that you DIDN'T punch me because that shit wouldn't have ended well." but I stayed silent and let him have his moment of rage because after all, I did date his ex girlfriend.

So anyway, the reason I even bring up this ex girlfriend story is because it was at this point that we said we were still friends and we did still hang out with our group of friends...but he became a total asshole to me. The racist kind. Granted, he was always the edgy type. He was in love with South Park, told dead baby jokes to people at school, drew dicks everywhere, constantly tried to gross people out or make them feel like shit. I think it was a defense mechanism because before he and I became friends in junior high, he was literally the most unpopular kid in school. The cliche thing where people bullied him for no reason other than his family was poor and he was dirty and smelled bad. I'm not making that up. It's how things were for him. He had zero friends before I came along. So I think it helped him develop a sharp tongue and he'd use it to pop off at the mouth to people bullying him but it got to the point where he was just shooting at the hip to EVERYONE whether they deserved it or not, he was just a very brash and unfiltered person. But this was different. He started to tell n*gger jokes at lunch time with me sitting right there. He'd always find some way to slip a black joke in or make a crack about black people so he could get a rise out of me. I ignored it. We ended up going on this camping trip with some friends and the entire fucking time, it was just n*gger this and n*gger that. There was even this rumor I heard that he apparently wanted to make a shirt that says "I want to slit zeioIIIDX's throat" (it would have my real name, obviously lol). That kinda alarmed me.

Well we graduated high school but our friendship was never the same and years passed. I was in my mid twenties and we caught up on Facebook and I apologized to him again for dating his ex and I even visited home (Chicago) and brought along my girlfriend at the time and we all chilled like old times. He seemed like his normal self, he was super friendly and everything. He was rocking a ponytail and a huge mustache lol. Not even a couple weeks later, I find out from my girlfriend that she thinks he's transgender. I ended up contacting him on Facebook and he confirmed it and I asked her (referring to my friend as female from this point forward) how her family took the news. She said not very well. Her dad kinda disowned her. I told her she's got my support and I've got her back and she'll always be my friend no matter what and she was really happy to hear those words. She would often make posts on Facebook about trans rights and would sometimes tell me about how hard it is being transgender and how she's been getting hate from people left and right.

The reason I say this story is ironic is because it made me think back to all those times in high school when she was telling n*gger jokes and being a racist piece of shit directly and indirectly to me and how she made me feel like such a piece of crap. I was thinking "Oh, so NOW you want to talk about feeling inclusive and feeling loved by people and how hard it is to be different?" Part of me felt like this was karma for how she treated me for being black. The other part of me was sympathetic because this was someone I had been friends with since 6th grade, someone who I shared countless amazing memories with and cared about. Unfortunately, I don't keep in touch with her much these days. It's kinda tough when she lives in Illinois and I'm in Bumfuck, Mississippi. But my interactions with her after she came out as transgender were never negative. It just made me wonder whether she ever thought about how she made me feel with her racist antics when thinking about how she feels being shit on by people for being transgender. I knew her really, really well growing up and never got the feeling she didn't feel like a man. She once stated that she is bisexual but we all took that as a joke because, again, that's how she was. She joked about literally everything and you could never, ever take her serious or take anything she said at face value. But maybe she really was bi at the time...

I don't know what it feels like to be transgender so I won't speak on whether I think it should be viewed/treated as a mental illness. I didn't even know that transgender people existed or was a thing until 6 years ago. I knew about transsexuals and hermaphrodites but those are different things. It feels like after finding out about transgender people 6 years ago, it's become very, very, very, very prevalent and I wonder why that is. How did I personally go 26 years never once hearing the word "transgender" or meeting a transgender person to suddenly having two transgender friends and knowing a handful of others through other friends? Does it really have something to do with Caitlyn Jenner transitioning? Was that the catalyst? I like to think I don't live under a rock like Patrick Star and I've been around the block on the internet but I don't know...

omg you actually wrote this post. Congrats, it was an intruiging story.

 

[Antoon]

Is this host lady a trans woman?

yes she is, and its funny how she calls out other trans people to make her beliefs look somehow valid.

 

[Antoon]

What criteria do you go by where the belief that a man who want to cut his dick off is a woman is valid, but the belief that white people are inherently better than black people is not valid.

I’d say they’re both invalid. The latter is invalid because comparing two giant populations earth with a wide amount genettic and cultural variances is a fruitless effort birthed from an excuse to talk shit to another race. The former is invalid because if someone is naturally/genetically a male, no amount of hormones, surgeries, or clothes is gonna change that.

You say “physical science” and “social science” yet you neglect to actually cite anything.

I’m willing to believe that they are people who have brains similar to the opposite sex. I’m willing to believe there are people that look at their natural body and wish to change it (body dysmorphia exists seperate from transgenderism), what I am not willing to believe is that a dude in a dress taking hormone pills is the same thing as an actual woman. Asking me to look at these and say that they’re women is the same as asking me to look at a globe and say that it’s flat.

It’s just not happenin, chief.

That photo looks like its from the brony convention

 

[Bill O'Rights]

Hey folks,


Been keeping tabs on this the last few days - if there's no objections we're considering moving it to Politics as the discussion seems to be focusing around this rather than any of the actual game content or DLC itself? I'll leave it here a few more hours and see how it develops. Just some food for thought, I'm not getting involved here but just attempting to nudge the conversation into the core/fundamental issues and diffuse the little flashes of frustration and rash exchanges.


If I was to ask one thing going forward in these types of threads, it would be to seperate the individual nature of the artist or medium, from the subset of people who fall into the pool of 'those being represented'. For all intents and purposes, it appears there was no lobbying or outcry for this to be included in the game, this was a decision made unilaterally and in isolation by the dev team. There is a danger that people are being villainised and losing their right to be accepted as individuals and instead being lost amongst the faceless activists that plague the digital space. The division and conflict is being used to make the divide larger. There are plenty of transitioned/transitioning people who also roll their eyes seeing their very real issues glamourised and utilised for virtue signalling. Change can be provoked through noise. But you will never be loud enough if you're shouting each other out. Find the common ground, unify the message and be strong and consistent.


This topic should also invite the wider debate of whether any political belief held by the development team is fair game to be included. Or is it only messages that would seem virtuous on the surface? What about really difficult political messages where the line between good and bad is not as clearly defined? Who should police these decisions (if anyone) - is this a trial in the court of online opinion? If you invite this type of messaging, do you advocate for freedom of expression of the message? These are difficult questions and will require people to examine their core beliefs and justify them. Not everyone likes to delve that deep and assume the due diligence is being done by those with the megaphones. Its not always the case.


Given this image was in the DLC, we can assume it was targeted at those who loved the game enough to throw some more money to the developers. Was there any indication that the player base was predominantly transitioned/transitioning or is this the developers bias showing through? Is the topic of trans rights one that should be front and centre given the DLC launched around World Red Cross day, which is an organisation focused on alleviating and ending human suffering for all people. Could you think of a more deserving plug during these times? Is there a limit for the messaging? Would a flag hanging from a viking encampment in the new Assassin's Creed also be fine or not?

 

[yeahokaywhatever]

This thread reminded me of a certain Simpsons episode:

 

[mckmas8808]

What criteria do you go by where the belief that a man who want to cut his dick off is a woman is valid, but the belief that white people are inherently better than black people is not valid.

I’d say they’re both invalid. The latter is invalid because comparing two giant populations earth with a wide amount genettic and cultural variances is a fruitless effort birthed from an excuse to talk shit to another race. The former is invalid because if someone is naturally/genetically a male, no amount of hormones, surgeries, or clothes is gonna change that.

You say “physical science” and “social science” yet you neglect to actually cite anything.

I’m willing to believe that they are people who have brains similar to the opposite sex. I’m willing to believe there are people that look at their natural body and wish to change it (body dysmorphia exists seperate from transgenderism), what I am not willing to believe is that a dude in a dress taking hormone pills is the same thing as an actual woman. Asking me to look at these and say that they’re women is the same as asking me to look at a globe and say that it’s flat.

It’s just not happenin, chief.

To be fair to the bolded, there's a reason why they are called Transfemale though. And "Trans" in general. That's your separator.

Nobody would look at this magazine AD and think one of these women were born a male.

And on the street no one would think this person is a dude.

 

[mckmas8808]

I agree, to a degree. For me personally, I've known two transgender people in real life. The first one is someone I met at an arcade while playing DDR. Male to Female transgender person. Used the name Ema and female pronouns. One of the very first things she said to me when we met at the arcade was "By the way, I'm trans and I go by Ema, I just wanted to let you know because some people get weirded out by that." I was like "Are you serious? That's not even an issue, I'm cool with everybody so long as they aren't harming people. Don't even fret, nice to meet you Ema!" Over time, we became pretty good friends and I slowly got used to calling her Ema and using female pronouns to refer to her. This was honestly difficult for me because she still looked like a tall and lanky 20 something year old man, albeit with long hair and the occasional tight, pink hoodie.

I slipped up maybe twice when I was speaking rapidly and ended up saying "he" instead of "she" and she called me out on it instantly. I was like "Shit, sorry...". For the most part, Ema was fun to be around although, she had this annoying thing where she would bash EVERYBODY and felt like she was superior and self-entitled to every little thing. She literally said one day, while walking through Wal-Mart with me and a couple friends, "Dude, everyone in here is so ugly, WTF?" And she was totally serious about it. After a while, I couldn't stand her superiority complex especially when it came to DDR and rhythm games in general. She always acted like she was more skilled at the game than anyone else and whenever I'd whoop her in the game, she'd get pissed. Apart from that, it was the constant bitching and moaning about politics, trans rights, Bernie Sanders and Trump (this was around 2015), stories about not knowing which public bathroom to use and how she couldn't find a job because she is trans (when in reality, she was just incredibly picky and didn't want to work at a fast food joint or retail because she felt she was above that...as a 20 year old who lived at home with her mom and typically crashed and mooched at a friend's house). When I'd go hang at my buddy's house (the guy who let Ema crash at his place often and owned his own DDR machine), I just wanted to play DDR, watch anime, and just chill...but anytime Ema was there, I had to brace myself because I knew an angry tirade about the latest transphobic news articles would commence and it always did.

I never had anything against her just because she was transgender. But she was constantly just bashing people left and right for things that she felt she deserved or should be entitled to. When she started taking hormones, she would constantly be training her voice and finding any chance she could to talk about how much her boobs are growing and how sore they are. I was just thinking to myself "Yo...I'm over here visiting so I can play some DDR and shoot the shit, do we really have to keep hearing about how sore your boobs are and how crappy the hormones are making you feel?". Obviously I cared about my friend and how she was feeling but dang...I admit it got tiring listening to her woes and complaints and thoughts on trans-only locker rooms / bathrooms or which presidential candidate should win. She was like a walking, talking Facebook / Yahoo News feed. You could never get upset with her about anything or call her out on any of her behavior because she would get offended and flip it around as if you were oppressing her because she is transgender. I mean, she'd do shit like rummage through our friend's cabinets and eat up his food, leave dirty dishes around, train her voice loudly with a microphone and headphones on at all hours of the day, and all sorts of other things that started to annoy my friend who was letting her crash at his place from time to time. It just boiled down to her being an inconsiderate person who never had a job in her life and felt like she was correct 100% all the time. To be honest, through all my interactions with her, she just didn't seem to be very happy and I suppose maybe that could be chalked up to everything she has to deal with from being transgender coupled with still living at home and not knowing what to do with life.

The only time she truly became happy was when she started dating a female to male transgender person and THAT was some confusing stuff for me because he looked absolutely female but used a male name and male pronouns. So anytime I spoke about them around our friends, I had to slowly speak so I can get the pronouns correct or I'd just use their names instead. What boggled my mind was when Ema told me they had started having sex because I always wondered to myself what goes through their minds during sex? Ema is a male to female transgender person who looks like a male and has a penis. Her boyfriend is a female to male transgender person who looks female and has a vagina. What would go through their minds regarding that as they are having sex? I never asked her but it was always a curiosity to me. Anyway, Ema was my first interaction with someone who is transgender and while it wasn't negative exactly, it was truly tiring. She would get offended at any and every thing and always talked as if she were owed stuff on a silver platter otherwise said person/entity/company was bigoted and transphobic. But I'm well aware that all transgender people are not the same as Ema, I'd be a fucking idiot to believe that or imply that. I mean shit, I'm black and people used to harp on me because I didn't "act black" or "black enough" and I was just like come the fuck on...not all black people say and do the same shit.

Speaking on that, my second personal experience with someone transgender is a bit of an ironic one. I found out through my ex girlfriend (we were dating at the time) that my best friend from childhood was transgender. She noticed on his Facebook that he was wearing makeup and a dress in a photo he posted. I was like "What?! Nah, that's just how he is, he's always been a jokester like that and loves doing weird stuff. He used to come to school dressed in tin foil or wrapped in carpets with a toaster and extension cord for a belt!" She told me she thinks it's not that and that he really IS transgender. I was in disbelief and went to go look at his profile. Sure enough, it turns out he had come out as transgender. The reason I didn't know my best friend from childhood was transgender is because, well, we had a falling out after I dated his ex girlfriend back in high school. In my defense, I didn't know that was a thing you shouldn't do (at the time) and I was fucking idiot and very naive with women back then. They only dated for a couple weeks and I didn't even mean to get together with her. I was literally just cheering her up on the bus with some music from my MP3 player because I noticed she was sad. She took a liking to me and then we started hanging out and I was completely and utterly infatuated with this girl. I never meant for that to happen.

Anyway, she and I eventually realized dating behind his back wasn't a good thing and we broke up and told him about it. Which was a weird thing to do now that I think about it. But it was also to preemptively beat a friend of ours who was the one who found out initially and told us "that's not cool" and that he was gonna let him know because he has a right to know. After we got to him first and told him, our friendship soured and he basically hated my guts after that and became incredibly hostile and emo and dramatic. The day we broke up and told him, we decided the three of us should go hang out at the arcade/mall together and smooth things out. Kind of fucked up when I think about it but I was in high school, I didn't fucking know what to do in that situation. As we were driving up to the mall, he asked me to stop the car and pull over. He silently got out, walked up to the brick wall of a building, punched it a bunch of times, turned around, and walked back to the car and got in. His hand was bleeding and I was like "What was that about?". He told me he had to go punch something to keep from hitting me lmao. I was thinking "Uh...okay then. I'm glad for YOUR sake that you DIDN'T punch me because that shit wouldn't have ended well." but I stayed silent and let him have his moment of rage because after all, I did date his ex girlfriend.

So anyway, the reason I even bring up this ex girlfriend story is because it was at this point that we said we were still friends and we did still hang out with our group of friends...but he became a total asshole to me. The racist kind. Granted, he was always the edgy type. He was in love with South Park, told dead baby jokes to people at school, drew dicks everywhere, constantly tried to gross people out or make them feel like shit. I think it was a defense mechanism because before he and I became friends in junior high, he was literally the most unpopular kid in school. The cliche thing where people bullied him for no reason other than his family was poor and he was dirty and smelled bad. I'm not making that up. It's how things were for him. He had zero friends before I came along. So I think it helped him develop a sharp tongue and he'd use it to pop off at the mouth to people bullying him but it got to the point where he was just shooting at the hip to EVERYONE whether they deserved it or not, he was just a very brash and unfiltered person. But this was different. He started to tell n*gger jokes at lunch time with me sitting right there. He'd always find some way to slip a black joke in or make a crack about black people so he could get a rise out of me. I ignored it. We ended up going on this camping trip with some friends and the entire fucking time, it was just n*gger this and n*gger that. There was even this rumor I heard that he apparently wanted to make a shirt that says "I want to slit zeioIIIDX's throat" (it would have my real name, obviously lol). That kinda alarmed me.

Well we graduated high school but our friendship was never the same and years passed. I was in my mid twenties and we caught up on Facebook and I apologized to him again for dating his ex and I even visited home (Chicago) and brought along my girlfriend at the time and we all chilled like old times. He seemed like his normal self, he was super friendly and everything. He was rocking a ponytail and a huge mustache lol. Not even a couple weeks later, I find out from my girlfriend that she thinks he's transgender. I ended up contacting him on Facebook and he confirmed it and I asked her (referring to my friend as female from this point forward) how her family took the news. She said not very well. Her dad kinda disowned her. I told her she's got my support and I've got her back and she'll always be my friend no matter what and she was really happy to hear those words. She would often make posts on Facebook about trans rights and would sometimes tell me about how hard it is being transgender and how she's been getting hate from people left and right.

The reason I say this story is ironic is because it made me think back to all those times in high school when she was telling n*gger jokes and being a racist piece of shit directly and indirectly to me and how she made me feel like such a piece of crap. I was thinking "Oh, so NOW you want to talk about feeling inclusive and feeling loved by people and how hard it is to be different?" Part of me felt like this was karma for how she treated me for being black. The other part of me was sympathetic because this was someone I had been friends with since 6th grade, someone who I shared countless amazing memories with and cared about. Unfortunately, I don't keep in touch with her much these days. It's kinda tough when she lives in Illinois and I'm in Bumfuck, Mississippi. But my interactions with her after she came out as transgender were never negative. It just made me wonder whether she ever thought about how she made me feel with her racist antics when thinking about how she feels being shit on by people for being transgender. I knew her really, really well growing up and never got the feeling she didn't feel like a man. She once stated that she is bisexual but we all took that as a joke because, again, that's how she was. She joked about literally everything and you could never, ever take her serious or take anything she said at face value. But maybe she really was bi at the time...

I don't know what it feels like to be transgender so I won't speak on whether I think it should be viewed/treated as a mental illness. I didn't even know that transgender people existed or was a thing until 6 years ago. I knew about transsexuals and hermaphrodites but those are different things. It feels like after finding out about transgender people 6 years ago, it's become very, very, very, very prevalent and I wonder why that is. How did I personally go 26 years never once hearing the word "transgender" or meeting a transgender person to suddenly having two transgender friends and knowing a handful of others through other friends? Does it really have something to do with Caitlyn Jenner transitioning? Was that the catalyst? I like to think I don't live under a rock like Patrick Star and I've been around the block on the internet but I don't know...

WHOA! First thing is.....shocked to read that you're black lol. Don't know why that shocked me most in your two stories. 2nd and to answer your question, no Trans people have been a thing for a very long time. It didn't start 6 years ago. It probably has more to do with the Social Media era getting information around faster than the pre-social media era.

And Laverne Cox came before Caitlyn Jenner

 

[ROMhack]

It's everywhere and annoying. I don't care what it is if it's constantly being in my face I'm not gonna like it.

What's annoying about it? I'm sort of interested to know.

 

[synchronicity]

To be fair, I don't judge anyone who is making any subjective claim. I can't tell someone that they don't feel what they feel or know themselves.

Regardless of the root cause (of which I'm sure there are multiple), if you've ever known anyone with gender dysphoria, you know how real and painful it can be for the one experiencing it.

Maybe they're "screaming" for inclusiveness as a matter of survival. Compassion first is always a good rule for me.

 

[bobone]

No it's everywhere. Fuck avengers, fuck gay flags, fuck game of thrones, fuck rainbows, fuck smash bros, and fuck everything else.

I'm out of the loop on this cuz I think its complete nonsense; but what did Smash Bros do?

 

[Kadayi]

I dont know. The UK is 90% white, yet i swear all tv commercials have more black and minority groups in them than white people, over the last year or so.

I hate to sound like that guy, but tbh you're not wrong. Although to be honest I don't think I've ever seen any Chinese representation in UK adverts, which is kind of surprising given Chinese restaurants/takeaways are everywhere. They're like the invisible people of the UK bizarrely.

 

[Ten_Fold]

Not gonna lie this trans, sjw, lgbtq, shit is just soo annoying, you don’t need representation in everything you don’t need to be on every tv show you don’t need to be in every video game. I went to school with someone who just became a trans and he was kinda crazy an was always unhappy and had a crazy attitude. Anyways I never seen any group complain about basically everything as much as the lgbtq and we think being trans is ok, I’m sorry to say this but that’s not normal, I don’t want trans people in women sports when you’ve been a guy for 20+ years that shit is just weird man.

 

[zeorhymer]

I'm all for trans rights, but god damn, when trans-women "destroy" world records in athletics and other sports and actively push to be included, they lost my vote and support. They shit on all legit women just to win.

 

[ksdixon]

I'm out of the loop on this cuz I think its complete nonsense; but what did Smash Bros do?

I belive this is referring to the YouTube video where someone tried making the case that every single character was gay and/or trans. Even if those justification boiled down to saying "Mario: clearly gay". Ok mate, even though he's been chasing Peach for like 30 years. It's like we can't just enjoy Smash, we gotta hear that sjw agenda, trans-flavored in this example. "Yaaas Queen" etc.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

Thanks FUCK. It's about time there's more trans flags in gaming since the nazi bigots at nintendo fucking took them out of smash bros.



Not sure if this should go in gaming or politics. Mods feel free to move it and everybody else feel free to bitch at me.

painted like that looks like a slice of bacon.

 

[ExpandKong]

I'm out of the loop on this cuz I think its complete nonsense; but what did Smash Bros do?

I belive this is referring to the YouTube video where someone tried making the case that every single character was gay and/or trans. Even if those justification boiled down to saying "Mario: clearly gay". Ok mate, even though he's been chasing Peach for like 30 years. It's like we can't just enjoy Smash, we gotta hear that sjw agenda, trans-flavored in this example. "Yaaas Queen" etc.

No, it’s about Nintendo yanking a bunch of Stage Builder stages that had the trans flag featured or said shit like “Trans Rights Now!” in the background (because apparently there are rights that the trans community doesn’t have I guess?)

I think their official reasoning was they don’t want stages with political messaging.

 

[Carna]

I know it's a minor detail, but it just little too preachy and feels out of place in a videogame made for kids

 

[HaveButOneLife]

As opposed to where you jerk off women with dicks while talking about how amazing and progressive you are?

 

[brap]

What's annoying about it? I'm sort of interested to know.

It's everywhere. Trans rights is slowly becoming a meme because nobody shuts up about it.

I'm out of the loop on this cuz I think its complete nonsense; but what did Smash Bros do?

People whining nintendo took out their trans flags and other things. Like keep your politics out of a kids game goddamn.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Meh. This is completely uneventful. It is a random flag in a game full of cute things. It isn't like the main character is suddenly trans nor does it try to push any political statements like the issue with Smash Bros and the various stages that directly did the latter.

Let's not make mountains out of molehills.

 

[JSoup]

It's annoying when every corner of the internet is infected by trash.

It's been that way since AOL in the 90s and to a much lesser extent before that, it's nothing new or amazing.