Lmao NeoGaf is becoming the other side of what they used to be in the past ( from SJWs to edgy Red pilled contrarians) its quite funny to watch. Its a hive mind all over again. I wonder how long it will take for this idealogical version of NeoGaf to implode like the last one.
Is Master Chief bi?Every spartan is Bi by default
Maybe, but due to the spartan program they are basically made to fight, and the ‘lust’ part of their brain is turned off.Is Master Chief bi?
Since when does a hivemind allow everyone to freely debate and discuss?Lmao NeoGaf is becoming the other side of what they used to be in the past ( from SJWs to edgy Red pilled contrarians) its quite funny to watch. Its a hive mind all over again. I wonder how long it will take for this idealogical version of NeoGaf to implode like the last one.
Did you forget "5) She sexually assaulted Ellie"? Unless you think coming on to someone is automatically "sexual assault", you have to be reaching for the moon to come to that conclusion.Which of those 4 statements are factually wrong?
Ok but that wasn't what I asked. You've yet to say how it's "propaganda" or "forced". And " lulz coz it's cringey" is still your personal feeling.Dude, the scene of that boy trying to flirt and then the lesbian kiss was so cringey it was straight off from a SJW fantasy (exactly what Neil Druckmann is).
I wonder why...How can you show gay characters kissing in a game without it being any of those things to you?
The dude made a joke. Geesh why is everyone freakin our?
You've got to be shitting me . Yes that's exactly what it is, sure.Ive seen the "it was a joke post", but I see it more like damage control.
These radicals (both left and right) want to make everything their pulpit.Pixels aren't real.
Made up characters are, by definition, not real.
People are so ideologically obsessed they literally can't think straight.
Did you forget "5) She sexually assaulted Ellie"? Unless you think coming on to someone is automatically "sexual assault", you have to be reaching for the moon to come to that conclusion.
lol You act like she grabbed her out of nowhere in a drunken rage, pinned her down and forced a kiss on her whilst Ellie was struggling to get away. Everything in their body language is pointing towards consent from Ellie, and whilst the other girl is drunk, she clearly isn't fucking pissed either. You also have no idea what history these characters have with one another which could play a big part in how this scene comes about. This is ND we're talking about, where they actually know how to write stuff.Would you mind elaborating how, on planet earth "we are not in romantic relationships or on a date in anything even remotely hinting at consent, I just feel like I wanna kiss ya, and who fucks what you think, you are homosexual so you must enjoy my attention" is not a sexual assault?
Is this what all of this is about?; You're trying to pull a "Well if it was a man...!" gotcha? Sorry bro, don't work. If it was a male character I'd still be perfectly fine with it. Why wouldn't I? Nothing in the scene is wrong, unless you'd rather they sit down and sign consent forms?If it helps, try replacing drunk girl with a drunk dude.
Ok but that wasn't what I asked. You've yet to say how it's "propaganda" or "forced". And " lulz coz it's cringey" is still your personal feeling.
You also dodged the actual question in my post:
Fair enough.They aren’t. This is basically sticking your arm in a hornets nest for a laugh. Dude is trolling for shit responses, he should not be surprised when he gets shit in return
So the creator of a game that has previously stated his SJW ideas, puts a trailer in which a scene that seems to be taken literally of a SJW fantasy plays out, but you still don't want to see it.
Yeah, Jaffe was being pretty shitty. The guy is clearly a reactionary and doesn't think too much before he says something, and we can love him for that but when you're known as the creator of a game as famous as GoW, you should probably tread a bit more carefully before you set out to "troll" anyone because trolls generally look like idiots no matter what. Especially when it's in regards to such a hot topic known to divide people. I doubt the guy, in his heart of hearts, meant to cause harm but he's opened himself up to some pretty legit criticism.it is funny how "bi" and "lesbian" are to him just terms to fling around in order to make certain people mad. that kinda shows how serious he takes the cause. it's a useful way for him to feel superior about himself.
what an insanely dumb tweet to even make. he flippantly uses LGBTQ as a joke, in an attempt to troll bigots, revealing himself to be utterly clueless.
i imagine he got as much shit from LGBTQ people upset with him using them as a prop as he did from actual right wingers. suits him.
We got GAF's Muhammad Ali over here.
Ask him questions, he' gonna duck 'n' dive that shit. Want him to clarify his point?; whoosh, that shit just got dodged!
Guess I'll try one last time: How can you show gay characters kissing in a game without it being any of those things ("a feat in itself, a political statement, something it had to be done, confrontative") to you?
I'd be interested to know what Sony makes of all of this going on with their IP. No doubt the PR department is watching, with bated breath, hoping this doesn't turn into a giant shitstorm they have to comment on.
Is Master Chief bi?
How is this the case? How is it anything more than establishing Ellie has a love interest that will motivate her through this tale of revenge? What if her relationship with this character is actually important? Would it have been acceptable if the other character was male? How exactly can they show the scene without it being "the most important" thing in the trailer? Why are you literally incapable of answering the question of how can 2 gay characters kiss in a game trailer without you lumping all of this badge onto it? We already know Ellie is a lesbian, giving her a love interest that's, you know, a women, is a no-brainer.You can start by not making the fact that they are lesbian as the more important part of the entire trailer.
lol What? Did this hurt you right in your manhood? "To a lesbian", damn son, dat undertone, doe. Why is this even important? Is this the incel hot take on the trailer?Also by not having a token male losing the love game to a lesbian.
A video game that's a power fantasy? Surely not! The dialogue is a tie-in to the next part of the trailer where Ellie is killing people, it seems pretty suiting. Who is this line even meant to be "victimising"? Men? Did this line hurt your manhood too?Also not having the ridiculous victimization and female power fantasy in the dialogue: every guy in this room is staring at you. I'm just a girl, not a threat. They should feel terrified.
You've still to say how gay people kissing is political and every answer you gave is about how the trailer made you feel. Your main position is the politics yet besides just stating it's political, you in no way address the apparently politics. Yet another dodge, from the artful dodger.All coming from a literal SJW who is proud of bringing SJW into it's games. But you somehow have decided to ignore it because you just want play dumb and act like there isn't an obvious political propaganda fueling the game.
Wait, are we talking about "Most American movies" or TLOU2? I'm pretty sure we're talking about TLOU2 right now. You trying to add some pivots to your dodges?Are you also unaware that most american movies are filled with pro USA propaganda?
Pretty funny coming from a guy who is clearly having a lot of trouble to actually explain his positions. When asked how gay people kissing is political replying with "Because it just obviously is!" and being utterly incapable to explain it beyond that isn't really doing much to show you're not entrenched in your own delusion. You're just like a flat Earther pointing at a NASA image and saying "It's GCI! Look at it! It's obvious!". Start by saying what politics it promotes, why they're bad and what politics it opposes and why they're good. I get that you usually drive-by shitpost on stuff like this so having your feet held to the fire is an alien concept for you.I want to know the exact level of delusion and hipocrisy I'm dealing with.
Yeah man, it's all a conspiracy, they're all in on it. Jaffe saying Kratos is Bi but then saying he's not pleases Sony greatly... ...For some reason...Sony is already censoring games based on this same type of politics. They are fucking loving this shit.
How is this the case? How is it anything more than establishing Ellie has a love interest that will motivate her through this tale of revenge? What if her relationship with this character is actually important? Would it have been acceptable if the other character was male? How exactly can they show the scene without it being "the most important" thing in the trailer? Why are you literally incapable of answering the question of how can 2 gay characters kiss in a game trailer without you lumping all of this badge onto it? We already know Ellie is a lesbian, giving her a love interest that's, you know, a women, is a no-brainer.
lol What? Did this hurt you right in your manhood? "To a lesbian", damn son, dat undertone, doe. Why is this even important? Is this the incel hot take on the trailer?
A video game that's a power fantasy? Surely not! The dialogue is a tie-in to the next part of the trailer where Ellie is killing people, it seems pretty suiting. Who is this line even meant to be "victimising"? Men? Did this line hurt your manhood too?
You've still to say how gay people kissing is political and every answer you gave is about how the trailer made you feel. Your main position is the politics yet besides just stating it's political, you in no way address the apparently politics. Yet another dodge, from the artful dodger.
Wait, are we talking about "Most American movies" or TLOU2? I'm pretty sure we're talking about TLOU2 right now
Pretty funny coming from a guy who is clearly having a lot of trouble to actually explain his positions. When asked how gay people kissing is political replying with "Because it just obviously is!" and being utterly incapable to explain it beyond that isn't really doing much to show you're not entrenched in your own delusion. You're just like a flat Earther pointing at a NASA image and saying "It's GCI! Look at it! It's obvious!". Start by saying what politics it promotes, why they're bad and what politics it opposes and why they're good. I get that you usually drive-by shitpost on stuff like this so having your feet held to the fire is an alien concept for you.
Yeah man, it's all a conspiracy, they're all in on it. Jaffe saying Kratos is Bi but then saying he's not pleases Sony greatly... ...For some reason...
I think you missed a few letters and symbols, it's 2019 after all, where are dog people represented you fucking bigot?But what if there's a very touching moment in the sequel where he kisses a man in front of his son? That would be an epic win and a HUGE step forward for LGBTQIA+ rights!
Im all for bros sucking each other dicks but that Kratos art is cringe AF, you don't have to be homofobe to hate it.
Is this what all of this is about?
Wrong. We know she's there with somebody else.You also have no idea what history these characters have with one another which could play a big part in how this scene comes about.
You act like she grabbed her out of nowhere in a drunken rage, pinned her down and forced a kiss on her whilst Ellie was struggling to get away.
Wow, are you for real?Please point to the timestamp where Ellie is clearly showing signs that the other girl's actions are making her uncomfortable and she's wishing this stopped.
Still gonna cry "political agenda" without quantifying what politics it supports and opposes? Why Am I not surprised...It can happen, but you act as if that's the only red flag.
Coming from Neil Druckmann, we already know the game has a political agenda.
This is literally your bizarre personal interpretation of how the dialogue makes you feel and nothing more. You want to talk about weird obsessions, maybe you want to develop more on the apparent victim complex you have. Do you feel like "feminists" are out to get you personally? Have lesbians taken "all the good women" away from you?The dialogue it's all about they being lesbians and "poor women" than later turn to be super powerful. Victimization, demonization of the guys that were looking at them and the classical feminist fantasy of women being super mega badass and strong.
You seem to have a weird obsession with manhoods, by the way.
Like what? What the devs said? Okay, here's the thing my duderino, I'm perfectly happy to admit that this game might be the ultimate SJW fantasy and all of your political agenda conspiracy theories are true. Thing is till the game comes out I can't judge that but what I can judge is the trailer and nothing in that points towards any of these conspiracies you're going on about being true, not unless you can explain why 2 gay characters kissing is political, towards what party, against which other. You've said it's propaganda, but refused to explain that, you've said it's indoctrination, again, refused to explain that too. You're going to levy some pretty big accusations towards the trailer but are totally incapable of backing them up or even trying to explain them? Yeah, I call BS on that.It's funny how you claim I'm the one dodging by dodging all the time everything that you don't like. At this point it's already fair to call it your classical hypocrisy at play.
lol? It's totally irrelevant to what we're talking about. Nice try, though.Hahaha, "good" dodge!
What? How is "repeating the same thing" a dodge? I get that you really want to go for the "hypocrite" angle but you're doing a pretty poor job of it. If you weren't dodging in the first place, I wouldn't have to repeat my questions over and over. Nice try, again, though.Now you dodge by repeating the same thing over and over again, impressive.
It's just obvious, so obvious you can't even explain it without just saying 'it's obvious". The NASA images are fake, it's just obvious and if you can't see it you've been duped by the globe Earth conspiracy. BTW, I'm not calling everyone homophobic, just people like you who don't want gay people in games homophobic, for obvious reasons. In another post I did actually make a distinction between actual homophobes and people who are so brainwashed by their "Anti-SJW" cult they're unknowingly homophobes by proxy. But when you post belters like this:Again, you are incapable of seeing the obvious agenda of the game (a game made by someone with a public agenda well defined), yet you are so happy to call everybody in the thread homophobic. Which by the way already shows that you perfectly understand the agenda at play, you are just happy with that agenda and therefore you are defending it by doing exactly the same bully antics someone like Neil Druckmann or any other SJW would do, calling people homophobic or questioning their "manhood" (how progressive!) for daring to point out the obvious agenda that you are defending with so much vitriol because you are emotionally invested with.
But the only one you are fooling here it's yourself.
Yeah, I think you got a problem with the gays, dude.LGTBIBETAGAMMA
Who? Ellie is just there and the other girl is too, the did understand the guy was her ex, right?Wrong. We know she's there with somebody else.
None before, during, after. I notice the lack of time stamp and you not saying at what point Ellie wants the other girl to stop is a good sign you got nothing. She looks uncomfortable because she blatantly says she feels everyone is looking at them. I asked at which point the other girl's actions make her obviously uncomfortable (not the other people around them or Ellie's own insecurities about being the center of action) and where Ellie is showing signs she wants her to stop (telling her so, trying to break away...).Wow, are you for real?
For starters, she does look uncomfortable, but "no signs of regret" afterwards proves assault didn't take place??
What kind of regret could one show before an the event causing it?None before, during, after
When she kissed her, apparently.I asked at which point the other girl's actions make her obviously uncomfortable....
Oh, a good try, but won't work.Is this something only you can see?
Unwillingness to be led off by the girl? I also said during so breaking off when the other girl puts her arms around her? Not smiling and obviously being happy when then other girl puts her arms around her? Turning her head away when the other girl goes in for the kiss? After the first kiss (because the other girl stops at one point) not kissing her back? Not being happy after? Telling her to stop, saying this isn't what she wants... all that jazz. Please show me at what point Ellie does any of these things.What kind of regret could one show before an the event causing it?
Gonna need more explanation on that, dawg. Ellie kisses her back, doesn't push away, is happy after. So where is it not what she wants?When she kissed her, apparently.
Yikes. I sort of suspect you're just pulling a poe right now (seriously, it's aimed at the wrong person) and I hope I'm right. Hard to be believe such prudish people still exist and can operate in the real world. Maybe you did literally want them to sign consent forms? But to answer your question, trying to kiss someone then stopping and having them kiss you back is how consent works.And "let me take chances, perhaps she will like it" is not how consent works, I was told.
Or does it?
lol I'm sorry man, there really aren't. I'm sure in your head this is a bullet proof argument, or you're trying to lead to some poe gotcha, but your argument is utter insanity. The reason I'm asking if anyone else is pushing this angle is to show it's something that exists only in your head because literally no one else could interpret what we see in the trailer as "sexual assault". And everyone else isn't wrong and only you hold the truth, it's just a dumb position to take.There are concrete points being discussed
We are talking about the kiss. She could not have regretted the kiss, before it happened.Unwillingness to be led off by the girl?
She's clearly feeling awkward all the way.Not smiling and obviously being happy when then other girl puts her arms around her?
You mean lack of "turn head away" means consent to kiss?Turning her head away when the other girl goes in for the kiss?
By today's SJW norms (which were clearly accepted as the only truth there is, by Naughty Dog), that's a clear sexual assault.Maybe you did literally want them to sign consent forms?
In other words "7 billion humans agree I'm right, you must be wrong"....literally no one else could interpret...
Yeah, so the whole thing is a poe argument you don't actually believe and neither do I so arguing about it is utterly pointless.By today's SJW norms (which were clearly accepted as the only truth there is, by Naughty Dog),
I didn't think it was confusing, but since it is, let me elaborate....argument you don't actually believe...
Of course you're assuming to know what ND's position on any of this is. You're taking the position that "SJW" is this uniform thing where they agree on every point, the same position on everything no matter what. And yet the mere existence of the trailer you reckon could -in the most contrived way possible- be seen as sexual assault is actually proof that ND don't have this extreme view on consent more than it shows they do. Why would consent obsessed SJWs write such a creep and not have their "empowered female protagonist" point it out or do anything to even show it's wrong?Say you are hard line pro-lifer.
I'd disagree with your position.
But if you'd push for an actual abortion in an actual case, I'd point out that your position is inconsistent.
I don't need to share your opinion to do that. The same applies to SJW "consent" standards. I don't need to agree with them being reasonable, to point out they are not followed.
There was a video about how they were hiring people to work on that thing and what not.Of course you're assuming to know what ND's position on any of this is.
You are regarding the movement as if it is a group open for debates.You're taking the position that "SJW" is this uniform thing where they agree on every point, the same position on everything no matter what.
Uh, not more than MK developers giving in to #taliban, forgetting to hide male skin means they are not sex negative, chuckle.And yet the mere existence of the trailer you reckon could -in the most contrived way possible- be seen as sexual assault is actually proof that ND don't have this extreme view on consent more than it shows they do.
Because while doing "stop sleeping with the 'enemy'" they overlooked it.Why would consent obsessed SJWs write such a creep and not have their "empowered female protagonist" point it out or do anything to even show it's wrong?
Source...? I don't really think metics would condemn at all. Sex with a pentakosiomedimnoi mentor could help a lot to get citizenship.Usually this was lauded by the gentry. Lower classes would condemn homosexuality
I'm gonna want to see receipts on ND's position on consent. Unless it's "just obvious"?There was a video about how they were hiring people to work on that thing and what not.
It's not pure assumptions, although a number of clues are in this awkward video itself.
I'm gonna want to see receipts on ND taking part in any of this, though how it's relevant to ND's position on consent is beyond me. Duckmann might be all for diversity & inclusivity but I've yet to hear his position on consent. Sorry buddy, the NPC meme is funny and all but in the real world people actually have nuanced views on stuff. Whilst you're at it maybe show me where ND was banned from this "SJW conglomerate" for the sexual assault in this trailer?You are regarding the movement as if it is a group open for debates.
The "discussion" in those circles mostly resembles girl vs girl bullying.
From Feminist Sex Wars (where #taliban won) to transgender discussion.
Disagree with the bigger mob and don't hide that? Prepare to be ostracized, your speech banned, your persona denounced. Not even for disagreeing, for merely asking questions.
lol How is this even relevant to what I said? Why are Anti-SJWs always masters of the dodge & pivot? You're yet again assuming that being ok with gay characters kissing means I must be ok with Netherrealm's prudishness. I think you need to wipe away that anti-SJW kool aid off of your chin and stop seeing the world through your indoctrinated lens of "the culture war". Not everything is black & white.Uh, not more than MK developers giving in to #taliban, forgetting to hide male skin means they are not sex negative, chuckle.
Because while doing "stop sleeping with the 'enemy'" they overlooked it.
"Stop sleeping with the "enemy,"and turn to other women for sexual love as well as for intellectual companionship and emotional support."
Gotta love when it starts to come down to conspiracy theories.But those who dictate them what to do are.
YOU'RE AN HOMOPHOBE AND I'M GOING TO REPEAT THE SAME BULLSHIT AD NAUSEAM!!!1!
Thanks for playing, though.I'M UTTERLY INCAPABLE OF EXPLAINING MY SPURIOUS CLAIMS, BUT THEY FEEL RIGHT TO ME AND I'M FRUSTRATED IT ISN'T JUST OBVIOUS™ TO EVERYONE ELSE!
As with most intolerant groups, there is no taking only "some" of it.I'm gonna want to see receipts on ND's position on consent. Unless it's "just obvious"?
ND as what, chuckle?I'm gonna want to see receipts on ND taking part in any of this
Ah, so you've seen him.Duckmann might be all for diversity & inclusivity but I've yet to hear his position on consent
It's not what we've witnessed in a trailer.Is ok with gay people kissing in a trailer
As far as I understand that ND dude video (was it Duckmann?) it's directly dictated by the "enlightened ones". It is their mistake, not his.Whilst you're at it maybe show me where ND was banned from this "SJW conglomerate" for the sexual assault in this trailer?
This is an openly made statement. Have you never heard it?Gotta love when it starts to come down to conspiracy theories.