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LordOfChaos
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Maybe that would be for the best. In recent console generations it's always been the other way around, games are built to the baseline of consoles and PCs only have higher resolutions/textures/filtering to play with. PC hardware adapts far faster than consoles, so it's preferable that the onus would be on PC hardware to catch up than PCs having a new anchor for 7 years.
Theoretically at least. Given we're just talking about storage the difference should just be in load screens or slightly longer periods of loading in assets while you're playing. And as for VRAM, when the PS4 launched with 8GB of unified GDDR5, ~5.5 available, the contemporary GPUs were also 2-4GB, and it took a few more years into the generation before those VRAM limits started getting hit and PC hardware moved on anyways. So possibly, same old.
HeisenbergFX4
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Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
CyberPanda
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It's a hidden message. Just teasing that next gen consoles from MS will be announced tomorrow.
LordOfChaos
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DeepEnigma
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LordOfChaos
Member
I can see why it would make your iPhone horny
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Why can't consoles go with this form factor to push 300W+ ?
It wouldn't be much bigger than past phat consoles
There is no rule saying consoles have to be 150W just because the PS4/XB1 were.
Negotiator
Member
300W consoles would cost $699 minimum, that's why.
Why can't consoles go with this form factor to push 300W+ ?
It wouldn't be bigger than past phat consoles
LordOfChaos
Member
Why do you think it would push up cost? Pushing the existing chips past their most optimal point, losing perf/watt but gaining total performance, would only cost what extra cooling would be needed. Plus being able to use chips that drew more power might make binning a net neutral, vs excluding chips that could clock that high.
I was always selfishly into the idea of ditching the optical drives and going balls out with heatsinks and fans so the same size and nearly the same BoM cost consoles could dissipate way more watts.
Negotiator
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In the photo above I see a (former) high-end discrete GPU (GTX 980), not an APU.
If you're going to push the thermal envelope to such a high degree, then APUs no longer make sense.
200-250W+ concentrated on a single BGA chip is just asking for trouble (failing solder joints, which led to us to RROD/YLOD while only having ~100W GPU chips).
RSX was only 81W and the PS3 had a pretty beefy cooling system (3+2 heatpipes):
XBOX 360 had it worse with RROD due to a combination of factors (worse cooling system + eDRAM generating extra heat):
ATI Xbox 360 GPU 90nm Specs
ATI Xenos Xenon, 500 MHz, 240 Cores, 16 TMUs, 8 ROPs, 512 MB GDDR3, 700 MHz, 128 bit
Even if they didn't fail, 300W consoles would be insanely loud compared to 150-200W consoles.
It might be a good idea if you want to indirectly push people to the cloud, where they have industrial-grade cooling systems and you no longer have to worry about hardware ownership/heat/noise/electricity consumption.
SonGoku
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Why though? all it would take is decent cooling
I meant case and cooling
300W+ single die GPUs seem to be doing just fine why would an APU be any different?
And if it was really limiting a MCM chiplet design could be used to fuse separate CPU/GPU dies
Technology has come long ways since then
With decent cooling it shouldn't be
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Insane Metal
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CyberPanda
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Yea MS is cryptic like that. I remember the ilovebees thing a long time ago.
Fake
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My bet is the lower version will replace the old Xbox One.
SonGoku
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Yeah and include a external usb BD drive
bitbydeath
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Was this posted?
The image.
The image.
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CyberPanda
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Nope, this is new.
Ar¢tos
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Weirdly, I'm more excited for AMD Navi info than xbox next reveal. Probably because I don't expect any real specs from MS this early, just basic info like Sony did, and with more detailed Navi info it's easier to extrapolate console specs, since we know what the limitations console form have.
CyberPanda
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AMD: Navi Speculation, Rumours and Discussion [2019-2020]
Yes, Lisa Su said that RDNA is for gaming. I'm not aware, that she said that RDNA is only(!) for gaming or that all transistors are for gaming. May be they are, may be they are not. Too little is known about RDNA / Navi. On the other hand, RTX 2080 Ti (TU102) has exatly the same architectural...
forum.beyond3d.com
AMD: Navi Speculation, Rumours and Discussion [2019-2020]
New If legit, that will be interesting re console marketing points. It's legit. It appears Navi indeed sacrificed compute to gain more pixel pushing power, just like Digital Foundry predicted/anticipated. A Vega 64 is 12.5 TFLOPS, yet an RX 5700 is 8.5 TFLOPS at typical gaming clocks, and it's...
forum.beyond3d.com
Aceofspades
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AMD: Navi Speculation, Rumours and Discussion [2019-2020]
Yes, Lisa Su said that RDNA is for gaming. I'm not aware, that she said that RDNA is only(!) for gaming or that all transistors are for gaming. May be they are, may be they are not. Too little is known about RDNA / Navi. On the other hand, RTX 2080 Ti (TU102) has exatly the same architectural...
AMD: Navi Speculation, Rumours and Discussion [2019-2020]
New If legit, that will be interesting re console marketing points. It's legit. It appears Navi indeed sacrificed compute to gain more pixel pushing power, just like Digital Foundry predicted/anticipated. A Vega 64 is 12.5 TFLOPS, yet an RX 5700 is 8.5 TFLOPS at typical gaming clocks, and it's...
What I get from this is that Vega is unoptimized PoS arch. Navi is bringing AMD closer to Nvidia.
CyberPanda
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Yes. AMD is playing catch up, which is good for us all. Competition will benefit both graphics manufacturers.
TeamGhobad
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MEGABOMB!!!
Aceofspades
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Why are you repeating the same useless rumor from yesterday...shit is just wishful thinking.
demigod
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Dude even forgot the fake collab with intel in his raytracing.
xbox devkit specs - Pastebin.com
Pastebin.com is the number one paste tool since 2002. Pastebin is a website where you can store text online for a set period of time.
TeamGhobad
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Dude even forgot the fake collab with intel in his raytracing.
xbox devkit specs - Pastebin.com
Pastebin.com is the number one paste tool since 2002. Pastebin is a website where you can store text online for a set period of time.pastebin.com
out of all the things his 1gb cache was the most insane but a boy can dream no?
ANIMAL1975
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Is that even possible 80 CU?
TeamGhobad
Banned
chiplet design
CyberPanda
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Even Brad Sams said that rumour is stupid. He basically did this in a tweet:
Pastebin
Pastebin
FranXico
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For real. I know that GAF no longer bans sites, but sometimes I think pastebin simply has zero value, and might be better to keep off limits here.Even Brad Sams said that rumour is stupid. He basically did this in a tweet:
Pastebin
TeamGhobad
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it has entertainment value
pawel86ck
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Was this posted?
The image.
What I'm looking at exactly here? This picture suggest me RT acceleration will be done thanks to CPU customisation? If that's the case then that leak from yesterday (with 14TF arcturus GPU and 12 cores CPU) has also mentioned RT implementation thanks to collaboration with intel, and even huge 1 GB ultra fast cache that could be used for such data transfer.
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CyberPanda
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TLZ
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If these 9TF are Nvidia TF then I'm fine with that. Of course I'd prefer higher, but the advancements sound good here.
Aceofspades
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LordOfChaos
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Hmm
Looks like Videocardz has some news to drop soon
Looks like Videocardz has some news to drop soon
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CyberPanda
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AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT picture and specs leaked | VideoCardz.com
Featured, Radeon RX 5700 XT AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT Specs We have received, what appears to be, a slide from tomorrow's official announcement of Radeon RX 5700 series. AMD Radeon RX
videocardz.com
Heres your news. 12TF dream is dead! ;_;
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ResilientBanana
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My new expectation:
- 9.75TF PS5 (4k)
- 4.6 - 5TF Xbox S (1440p)
- 9.75 - 10TF Xbox X (4k)
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CyberPanda
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Exclusive: First AMD Navi GPU Will Have 40 CUs And Is Codenamed Navi 12
So I have an update on the AMD Navi GPU front. I have been informed that AMD has finalized the first Navi design and codenamed it Navi 12. We also know that the GPU will have 40 CUs. If the ratio of stream processors in the CU is the same as that of GCN, then you are looking at 64 CUs each for a...
wccftech.com
luca_29_bg
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This is navi 12, console apu can have higher CU, so this has nothing to do with ps5/xbox
ANIMAL1975
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And they are coming at least one year later lolThis is navi 12, console apu can have higher CU, so this has nothing to do with ps5/xbox
luca_29_bg
Member
Indeed, we have to wait and see.
ResilientBanana
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The Xbox One X was practically the same as the 580. There is no proof that they would add CU’sThis is navi 12, console apu can have higher CU, so this has nothing to do with ps5/xbox
LordOfChaos
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AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT picture and specs leaked | VideoCardz.com
Featured, Radeon RX 5700 XT AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT Specs We have received, what appears to be, a slide from tomorrow's official announcement of Radeon RX 5700 series. AMD Radeon RX
Heres your news. 12TF dream is dead! ;_;
Navi 12 is 40CUs, Navi 10 could be 48, 56, or up to 64 in theory. And then whatever 'Navi 10 lite' is.
Navi 10 will give us an idea how much of RDNA's 1.25x IPC improvement applies in the real world vs Vega at least. Though even then there's all this talk about this being a midway part and "real" next gen RDNA coming out later in the year ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It always did look surprising to me that "next gen" was on their roadmap for years, coming shortly after Navi, and then they re-branded Navi to RDNA, maybe the old roadmaps are still right but this was enough of an uplift to call it something new, while the full turnover is later.
Not adding anything, the rumor was for Navi 10 'lite', this is Navi 12
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luca_29_bg
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And there is no proof that they will not. We have to wait and see, simple!
TeamGhobad
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we are getting 11 tflops minimum from both anaconda and ps5.
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