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“The (Torture) Report” - Amazon Original about post-9/11 interrogation technique investigation. Adam Driver, Jon Hamm, Annette Bening

Malakhov

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Im pro torture when its about national security and war so thats a pass for me, same old early 2000s anti american b.s, no thanks.
 
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Cleared_Hot

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Malakhov said:
Im pro torture when its about national security and war so thats a pass for me, same old early 2000s anti american b.s, no thanks.
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Two wrongs never make a right. Or founding father's knew better. We don't need to torture. But waterboarding is a grey area I'm mostly okay with. Besides, a good old direct action raid where you kill almost everyone involved is a-okay!
 
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E-Cat

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Malakhov said:
Im pro torture when its about national security and war so thats a pass for me, same old early 2000s anti american b.s, no thanks.
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20% of those tortured according to the CIA report were completely innocent, IIRC. People that Afghan warlords just handed over to the US government saying "these guys are totally terrorists, *wink, wink*." Are you okay with that?

These are people that have child sex slaves. And you trusted them.
 
Paltheos

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So, uh, guys >_> I thought a government report - the guys doing the stuff - already confirmed that torture doesn't work. And you all are still behind it?
 
nikolino840

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Paltheos said:
So, uh, guys >_> I thought a government report - the guys doing the stuff - already confirmed that torture doesn't work. And you all are still behind it?
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E-Cat

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oagboghi2 said:
Wasn't expecting a "Bush is Hitler, America is the real monster, blah blah blah" movie in 2019.

It feels almost nostalgic. It's like a 2004 throwback
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A "useful idiot" to Dick Cheney, more like.

America's actions on the world stage, whether knowingly malicious or not, often have negative consequences. E.g., a few years ago, there was a report of militias armed by the Pentagon fighting those armed by the CIA in Syria. A think tank found that around 60% of these "moderate" rebels were actually violent Salafi-jihadist extremists that sympathize with ISIS; remnants of Al-Qaeda, Al-Nusra, etc. Generally, the US is funding these terrorist groups through the proxy of Saudi Arabia. Through the same proxy, the US is indirectly funding and orchestrating the genocide in Yemen.

While causing all this death and destruction and, yes, terrorism, the Trump administration is trying to drive regime change in Iran and Venezuela, feigning concern for so-called "human rights". Following the American-led destruction of the Iran nuclear agreement--which Iran was following to a tee according to the IAEA--the US is now sanctioning medicine going into Iran, a pretty sinister form of economic warfare. Also, they are seizing food shipments in the Panama canal, belying the stated rationale for intervening in the first place to "let the aid reach the starving people of the Maduro regime."

What both Iran and Venezuela do have, though, is oil. Bolton admitted as much to Fox News in January, saying "“It will make a big difference to the United States economically if we could have American oil companies invest in and produce the oil capabilities in Venezuela."

So, are you just ignorant or an American supremacist zealot?
 
Sub_Level

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I'm not sure that the legality of torture will affect CIA's use of it one way or the other so what difference does it make? There is no viable enforcement of what an officer does or doesn't do to a prisoner in a dark concrete room located in [redacted]. Its like thinking the NSA won't spy on your internet & phone use without a warrant. Like they give a shit.
 
Ornlu

Ornlu

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Sub_Level said:
I'm not sure that the legality of torture will affect CIA's use of it one way or the other so what difference does it make? There is no viable enforcement of what an officer does or doesn't do to a prisoner in a dark concrete room located in [redacted]. Its like thinking the NSA won't spy on your internet & phone use without a warrant. Like they give a shit.
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100% agreed. They want your shit, they will get it.
 
Tesseract

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Sub_Level said:
I'm not sure that the legality of torture will affect CIA's use of it one way or the other so what difference does it make? There is no viable enforcement of what an officer does or doesn't do to a prisoner in a dark concrete room located in [redacted]. Its like thinking the NSA won't spy on your internet & phone use without a warrant. Like they give a shit.
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it's true, let there be no doubts
 
Kusanagi2086

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Malakhov said:
Im pro torture when its about national security and war so thats a pass for me, same old early 2000s anti american b.s, no thanks.
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Yeah not sure how old you are but early 2000's was certainly not anti American in fact it was when Hollywood and everyone was making pro America movies right after 9/11.

Until the report of the WMD's came out and the American people as well as service members found out they had been lied to by their own fucking government.

I was a soldier back then and I was fucking pissed when I found out and let me remind you of a quote by one of the founders of the United States, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Benjamin Franklin.

You are perfectly fine with putting rule of law aside whenever it suits you WHICH IS ANTI AMERICAN.
 
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oagboghi2

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Cleared_Hot said:
Two wrongs never make a right. Or founding father's knew better. We don't need to torture. But waterboarding is a grey area I'm mostly okay with. Besides, a good old direct action raid where you kill almost everyone involved is a-okay!
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the founding fathers who owned slaves
E-Cat said:
A "useful idiot" to Dick Cheney, more like.

America's actions on the world stage, whether knowingly malicious or not, often have negative consequences. E.g., a few years ago, there was a report of militias armed by the Pentagon fighting those armed by the CIA in Syria. A think tank found that around 60% of these "moderate" rebels were actually violent Salafi-jihadist extremists that sympathize with ISIS; remnants of Al-Qaeda, Al-Nusra, etc. Generally, the US is funding these terrorist groups through the proxy of Saudi Arabia. Through the same proxy, the US is indirectly funding and orchestrating the genocide in Yemen.

While causing all this death and destruction and, yes, terrorism, the Trump administration is trying to drive regime change in Iran and Venezuela, feigning concern for so-called "human rights". Following the American-led destruction of the Iran nuclear agreement--which Iran was following to a tee according to the IAEA--the US is now sanctioning medicine going into Iran, a pretty sinister form of economic warfare. Also, they are seizing food shipments in the Panama canal, belying the stated rationale for intervening in the first place to "let the aid reach the starving people of the Maduro regime."

What both Iran and Venezuela do have, though, is oil. Bolton admitted as much to Fox News in January, saying "“It will make a big difference to the United States economically if we could have American oil companies invest in and produce the oil capabilities in Venezuela."

So, are you just ignorant or an American supremacist zealot?
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Yeah dude I don't care. I was commenting on a trailer, not discussing foreign policy.

Take your crap to someone else. 🙄
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Malakhov

Malakhov

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Pagemaster said:
Yeah not sure how old you are but early 2000's was certainly not anti American in fact it was when Hollywood and everyone was making pro America movies right after 9/11.

Until the report of the WMD's came out and the American people as well as service members found out they had been lied to by their own fucking government.

I was a soldier back then and I was fucking pissed when I found out and let me remind you of a quote by one of the founders of the United States, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Benjamin Franklin.

You are perfectly fine with putting rule of law aside whenever it suits you WHICH IS ANTI AMERICAN.
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Not sure how old you are but the early 2000s were all about artists/media being anti bush and america

Heck even the dixie chicks were anti bush

Im fine with every means necessary in time of war, including collateral damage
 
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Malakhov

Malakhov

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E-Cat said:
20% of those tortured according to the CIA report were completely innocent, IIRC. People that Afghan warlords just handed over to the US government saying "these guys are totally terrorists, *wink, wink*." Are you okay with that?

These are people that have child sex slaves. And you trusted them.
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20% innocents is a number im fine with, means 80% werent. I think they did pretty good
 
Kusanagi2086

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Malakhov said:
Not sure how old you are but the early 2000s were all about artists/media being anti bush and america

Heck even the dixie chicks were anti bush

Im fine with every means necessary in time of war, including collateral damage
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You clearly have not served or been in a war because you seem to think throwing young men into the meatgrinder, in a pointless war is acceptable fuck you twice for calling my brothers in arms collateral damage.

Disliking the president is not anti-american and his approval rating at the beginning of war was sky high everyone was beating the war drum leading us into the worst foreign policy disaster since Vietnam.

However after the WMD scandal broke which basicly meant the whole invasion of Iraq was based on a lie that's when the country turned against the Bush administration.

You advocating for this shit makes you either a moron or a sociopath.
 
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Malakhov

Malakhov

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Pagemaster said:
You clearly have not served or been in a war because you seem to think throwing young men into the meatgrinder, in a pointless war is acceptable fuck you twice for calling my brothers in arms collateral damage.

Disliking the president is not anti-american and his approval rating at the beginning of war was sky high everyone was beating the war drum leading us into the worst foreign policy disaster since Vietnam.

However after the WMD scandal broke which basicly meant the whole invasion of Iraq was based on a lie that's when the country turned against the Bush administration.

You advocating for this shit makes you either a moron or a sociopath.
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If you think soldiers are collateral damage then I guess it makes you a moron.

I can be a sociopath if it makes your sleep better at night, I don't really care. Another point in common with Shockwave, great
 
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E-Cat

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Malakhov said:
20% innocents is a number im fine with, means 80% werent. I think they did pretty good
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You are also aware that the Senate report said the CIA torture methods yielded"no useful intelligence", and only led to false confessions and fabricated information, right?

In other words, they tortured 20% innocent people for nothing. Are you still fine with that?
 
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oagboghi2

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Pagemaster said:
Yes how dare he discuss the issues the trailer of this movie raises.
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Is insulting me for commenting on a trailer your definition of a discussion?

It's clear he didn't want to have a back and forth, he just wanted to bitch about the iraq war. That is his problem, not mine.
 
Malakhov

Malakhov

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E-Cat said:
You are also aware that the Senate report said the CIA torture methods yielded"no useful intelligence", and only led to false confessions and fabricated information, right?

In other words, they tortured 20% innocent people for nothing. Are you still fine with that?
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Even if there is a 0.01% chance for success im fine to make 1 guy stand in a room for 17 hours in a cell chained to the wall or waterboarded etc.. whom is innocent out of 5 guys, absolutely.

This is war were talking about, not a fun day outdoor.
 
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Malakhov

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Tesseract said:
careful what you wish for, bub
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Again, this isnt a wish, it's just reality, war is ugly and needs ugly shit to get done.

And even if they are successfull in getting information, itll probably never be documented or known, so yeah, bring on these reports and studies, whatever.
 
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Malakhov said:
Even if there is a 0.01% chance for success im fine to make 1 guy stand in a room for 17 hours in a cell chained to the wall or waterboarded etc.. whom is innocent out of 5 guys, absolutely.

This is war were talking about, not a fun day outdoor.
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MODS I demand this man's custom title be Dick Cheney
 
E-Cat

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Malakhov said:
Even if there is a 0.01% chance for success im fine to make 1 guy stand in a room for 17 hours in a cell chained to the wall or waterboarded etc.. whom is innocent out of 5 guys, absolutely.

This is war were talking about, not a fun day outdoor.
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And does it matter to you whether the torture is being carried out by Americans or some other group?
 
Malakhov

Malakhov

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E-Cat said:
And does it matter to you whether the torture is being carried out by Americans or some other group?
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Why would I? It's any nation's responsibility to defend and protect their citizens. Would still agree no matter who did it.
 
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#Phonepunk#

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Adam Driver's in this too? plus Annette Bening? so they both play glamorized torturers in other superhero/space movies and now they get to do their liberal "oh we are so better than this" posturing? no thanks. it feels more and more like these people are blatant propagandists there to normalize real fascism under the guise of fighting incel fascism.

the US using torture was a profoundly sad thing for me to witness. the US citizenry had no say, since both parties fully embraced it. there were mass protests, the largest in history, all over the world, against the war. didn't do a lick of difference. the media ignored it, cos they are always pro-war. we still have Republicans and Democrats signing off on all kinds of horrible shit. the torture itself seemed to me like more punishing neo imperialism only guaranteed to create more extremism & future terrorists. the entire War on Terror felt like this IMO. both parties worked together for this decade of state sponsored terror in response to 9/11. lefty hero Robert Mueller was involved in a lot of this shit. now people are making coloring books about him ffs. here we are, still glamorizing the war, these people who didn't say jack shit at the time are now here to use it to make money for the richest person who has ever lived on Earth. these are the Hollywood left! they play at being socialist, they are elitist warmongers to the last.

here is Adam Driver, also known for playing a young sexy glamorized anti hero who tortures and manipulates and kills people yet is marketed as this nice charming totally redeemable person. also here is Bening, straight from playing a controlling AI who tortures Captain Marvel in that film. here they are, doing some kind of commentary i guess, while appeasing/aligning with China and the Saudis and other reigmes in order to make a buck. they shoot Star Wars over in the middle east, ironically where the real wars are occuring! where torture happened, miles away, they are shooting some fake futuristic tent city in the desert. probably paying off the same people.

i dunno, seems like bs to me. these actors pretending to be above this stuff, and indulging their audiences in the same, while in reality only pumping more money into that system. Perlmutter is still making money and influencing a lot of this.
Malakhov said:
Not sure how old you are but the early 2000s were all about artists/media being anti bush and america

Heck even the dixie chicks were anti bush
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there were massive protests, from all people, and neither party gave a shit. Mueller and co. charged right on ahead. Hillary was there. Biden was there. they voted yes. it wasn't "W's war" in any capacity. it was a coordinated effort between the state and media. CNN/FOX/NYT/NPR working together w "embeded journalism" and reporting things fed directly through the White House and all kinds of places. even fabricating glorious war stories whole to sell the war. they still failed (cos it was wrong).
 
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TUROK

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#Phonepunk# said:
Adam Driver's in this too? plus Annette Bening? so they both play glamorized torturers in other superhero/space movies and now they get to do their liberal "oh we are so better than this" posturing? no thanks. it feels more and more like these people are blatant propagandists there to normalize real fascism under the guise of fighting incel fascism.
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Oh my fucking God, these are just movies. Corporate entertainment meant to make money primarily. Get a fucking grip.

Also, what, actors are only allowed to take roles that they morally agree with?

You should be ashamed for posting such moronic garbage.
 
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highrider

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Pagemaster said:
You clearly have not served or been in a war because you seem to think throwing young men into the meatgrinder, in a pointless war is acceptable fuck you twice for calling my brothers in arms collateral damage.

Disliking the president is not anti-american and his approval rating at the beginning of war was sky high everyone was beating the war drum leading us into the worst foreign policy disaster since Vietnam.

However after the WMD scandal broke which basicly meant the whole invasion of Iraq was based on a lie that's when the country turned against the Bush administration.

You advocating for this shit makes you either a moron or a sociopath.
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I’ve served and been in combat, you don’t speak for me. You can make the argument that any war is pointless unless your own country is directly attacked. You knew when you joined you were world police, and if you didn’t know that you were uninformed or naive. These intervening wars are truly a damned if do damned if you don’t scenario, and you see that playing out in Iraq, Iran, Libya etc. today. Who else is going to step in in these countries? Our powerful allies with highly competent and equipped military forces? That’s why I like Trump’s attitude about the military. Think of the Kurds! Hey, fuck the Kurds, you need me to step in and handle your uppity neighborhood Europe, you got to come out the pocket, or handle that yourself. He’s perfectly fine with letting these fools slaughter each other.
 
belmarduk

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Looks pretty good. I'll probably watch this and season 2 of Jack Ryan when I get Amazon Prime again.

Also, its great that Anette Benning is still getting work... and Adam Driver is hot.
 
Ornlu

Ornlu

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belmarduk said:
Looks pretty good. I'll probably watch this and season 2 of Jack Ryan when I get Amazon Prime again.

Also, its great that Anette Benning is still getting work... and Adam Driver is hot.
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Season 2 was entertaining, but holy shit was it some state dept. propaganda. They ideology and gender swap the leader and the opposition in Venezuela to make sure the "good guys" have the right politics and optics. Maduro goes from being a cronyist socialist dictator, to being a murderous rightwing nationalist capitalist. Guaido goes from being a male nobody politician that the CIA puppeted for a failed coup, to being a wildly popular female progressive who wants to win the popular vote via election.

I'm not sure if they wanted to run the plot in a different country, and just switched at the last minute due to the Venezuelan shenanigans from this last year, or what. It really stretched suspension of disbelief, though.

The action in the show is good, though. The gun discipline/movement was pretty good for a TV show, IMO.
 
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