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CDC warns against vaping after mysterious spike in lung illnesses
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Tesseract
Banned
fuck that
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Well unless you are an immortal hulk, then do whatever you feel like.
Tesseract
Banned
we're all gonna be dead soon, get as much outta life as you can
fuck a girl on molly and transcend the matrix
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
For how long though? Smoking for ten years usually does not lead to any easily detectable life-threatening consequences. Let's see if this is linked to specific stuff, but "people have been doing this for a couple of years already" is not a good argument for its safety.
ConnorDuffy1977
Banned
If these instances are black market THC cartridges apart from nicotine vaping, why isn't that a good argument?
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
It's not a good argument in isolation, because the alternative, smoking, is something that shows its desastrous effect usually after 20-50 years, not after 10. So people having done it for ten years is not a good argument for its safety, independent of whether this specific issue is one with illegal THC carts.
Pimpbaa
Member
So no weed and no booze then? You sound like the life of the party.
bryo4321
Member
What if I get sick?
ive never wanted to bang on molly. It makes me feel more like I’m her dad and I need to tuck her in for bed. Lmao.
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Winter John
Gold Member
You mean to tell me that inhaling some mystery shit that turns your body into a dry ice machine might not be a good idea. Well, who'd have thought it.
Nymphae
Banned
I don't understand this notion, I get this a lot from my mom. "You don't know what's in those things!", but we do, this isn't the 1920's with cigarettes. And it's actually pretty simple compared to the myriad of chemicals found in a cigarette. For nicotine vaping at least, you're just getting some mixture of PG and VG medium, which as far as I know are both very common ingredients and considered safe for consumption by the relevant regulatory bodies. Other than that you are getting flavourings, which are again very common and considered safe for consumption, and then the nicotine.
If we want to talk about the long term effects, sure, the jury is still out and I'm very interested in how it pans out. But we're starting at a different place than with cigarettes, there were a lot of very well informed and intelligent people saying yeah, based on what we're looking at here this would appear to be far healthier than smoking cigarettes. It's not "some mystery" shit.
TheSadRanger
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Yes.
Different kind of drugs. Do take what the medic prescribes, obviously.
ConnorDuffy1977
Banned
Trump banning e-cigs?
www.cnbc.com
Trump administration readies ban on flavored e-cigarettes amid outbreak of vaping-related deaths
An outbreak of a mysterious vaping-linked lung disease has sickened hundreds and killed at least six people.
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
This seems like the most common sense answer, but folks get all uppity when you suggest they do things to better their health.
Nymphae
Banned
I think a lot of people just get tired of hearing smug people tell them a completely obvious fact, it's condescending.
ConnorDuffy1977
Banned
You can do certain things in moderation and still be very healthy. I saw Phish in CO a couple years ago and the people there are certainly higher than the people in Wisconsin, but my God are they in much better shape. Weed is way better for you than alcohol. But don't vape weed oil.
bryo4321
Member
This is just so frustrating because they are targeting flavored nicotine juice when the deaths had nothing to even do with that.Trump banning e-cigs?
Trump administration readies ban on flavored e-cigarettes amid outbreak of vaping-related deaths
An outbreak of a mysterious vaping-linked lung disease has sickened hundreds and killed at least six people.
ConnorDuffy1977
Banned
True, but it's clear this is also an epidemic amongst minors and that seems to be Trump's reasoning.
Winter John
Gold Member
Heh. This entire post is exactly the same type of denial talk I remember from when the methadone clinic opened. Oh, it's not as bad as heroin. It's a cleaner high. Nothing at all like that junk you dirty needle freaks use. We'll be totally safe on our nice, pure, regulated government drugs.. Heh.
You should listen to your mom son. She's talking sense. You don't know shit about what's actually in them things and you don't know shit about what they'll do to your health. Despite what it says on the label.
Paracelsus
Member
I don't know what this is all about, I can only speak for me.
I've only ever smoked cigars, the ones you can cut in half, mostly half of those on a daily basis, and only during my late 20s and early 30s.
At the end of Summer of 2018 I bought a 200w mod, an 8ml tank and started vaping. I made my own juices but it was all legit, no weird black market trash.
I vaped a lot, hours a day.
Last winter I went out on Sunday morning to do stuff, came back after a couple hours, took a morning nap, when I woke up I had 40°C fever and pneumonia that took me down for well over a week with some level of coughing I don't think I've ever had in my whole life, like someone was punching my chest while I was coughing.
Maybe one of those things that happen after you hit 30? Probably, I just thought that was weird, the worst that happened in winter while I smoked it was a slightly sore throat.
I've only ever smoked cigars, the ones you can cut in half, mostly half of those on a daily basis, and only during my late 20s and early 30s.
At the end of Summer of 2018 I bought a 200w mod, an 8ml tank and started vaping. I made my own juices but it was all legit, no weird black market trash.
I vaped a lot, hours a day.
Last winter I went out on Sunday morning to do stuff, came back after a couple hours, took a morning nap, when I woke up I had 40°C fever and pneumonia that took me down for well over a week with some level of coughing I don't think I've ever had in my whole life, like someone was punching my chest while I was coughing.
Maybe one of those things that happen after you hit 30? Probably, I just thought that was weird, the worst that happened in winter while I smoked it was a slightly sore throat.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
The one time you should listen to Cunth advice you people don't...
Nymphae
Banned
I feel confident that this has nothing to do with nicotine vaping juices and everything to do with liquid drug vapes. My friend said that on a distilates site he was ordering from, they now mention what it does not contain, namely, the vitamin E acetate oil which was being found in some of these drug vape mediums.
Although I feel confident about my juices, I am seriously worried that Canada will move to ban this stuff at some point.
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mekes
Member
I agree completely. And have the same worry about there being a domino effect over in my country. I can’t speak to Canada but in the UK the government are eager to set new legislation for vaping products. It’s just the fact that there is some pushback from advocates that warn punishing vapers will send the wrong message out. I feel it’s just a matter of time.
Nymphae
Banned
I saw some news articles about some places in the states outright banning vaping, and I thought it's only a matter of time until this pussy ass country gets on board.
mekes
Member
What’s depressing, is that if that is the inevitable conclusion.. What would have once been a viable alternative in making some DIY juice, could well become a scary prospect. The authorities shoulder a lot of responsibility and just don’t seem honest in their intentions.
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
That's what you get for vaping.
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Its already known what the issue is: Cheap assholes thickening mixes by using a vitamin-e derivative instead of VG/PG. Apparently especially common with grey-market THC/CBD carts as it allows them to short on the active (expensive) ingredients.
Which is why this shit is only happening in the US.
Which is why this shit is only happening in the US.
CyberPanda
Banned
hhahahahaahah
A.Romero
Member
It obviously has some kind of effect on health like pretty much everything does. I don't get why governments prefer to ban instead of actually investigate. If anything the prohibition years and the war on drugs have shown us that people want to get high. If I want to put a bullet in my head I should be able to. Even more so if it's fun to do it.
Prohibition is stupid.
I haven't read the article (I smoke AND vape, both juice and weed fully knowing that I'm pretty much committing suicide slowly) but keep in mind that there are powerful forces interested in not letting vaping get legitimized. Namely tobacco companies. Also remember that at some point in history doctors recommended smoking... All the way until they actually investigated the thing.
As a tax payer (not in the US), I'd be pretty happy if money was invested in finding out, scientifically and as free of external influence as possible, what the actual effects are. Same for weed.
Prohibition is stupid.
I haven't read the article (I smoke AND vape, both juice and weed fully knowing that I'm pretty much committing suicide slowly) but keep in mind that there are powerful forces interested in not letting vaping get legitimized. Namely tobacco companies. Also remember that at some point in history doctors recommended smoking... All the way until they actually investigated the thing.
As a tax payer (not in the US), I'd be pretty happy if money was invested in finding out, scientifically and as free of external influence as possible, what the actual effects are. Same for weed.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Altria just invested billions in jule, tobacco companies are all in on vaping.
A.Romero
Member
Just now? Cause vaping has been around for a while.
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Study from the Royal College of Physicians
vaping.org
Nicotine e-cigarettes unlikely to exceed 5% of the harm from smoking tobacco
*E-cigarettes are marketed as consumer products and are proving much more popular than NRT as a substitute and competitor for tobacco cigarettes.
*E-cigarettes appear to be effective when used by smokers as an aid to quitting smoking.
*E-cigarettes are not currently made to medicines standards and are probably more hazardous than NRT.
However, the hazard to health arising from long-term vapour inhalation from the e-cigarettes available today is unlikely to exceed 5% of the harm from smoking tobacco.
*Technological developments and improved production standards could reduce the long-term hazard of e-cigarettes.
Update from the CDC on Cause of 'Vaping' Lung Illness
www.cdc.gov
Among 805 cases reported as of September 24, 2019, 69% were in males; 62% of patients were aged 18–34 years. Among patients with data on substances used in e-cigarettes, or vaping products, tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)-containing product use was reported by 76.9% (36.0% reported exclusive THC-product use); 56.8% reported nicotine-containing product use (16.0% reported exclusive nicotine-product use).
Royal College of Physicians Report on Vaping and Health - American Vaping Association
This report provides an update on the use of harm reduction in tobacco smoking, in relation to all non-tobacco nicotine products but particularly e-cigarettes. It shows that, for all the potential risks involved, harm reduction has huge potential to prevent death and disability from tobacco use...
vaping.org
*E-cigarettes are marketed as consumer products and are proving much more popular than NRT as a substitute and competitor for tobacco cigarettes.
*E-cigarettes appear to be effective when used by smokers as an aid to quitting smoking.
*E-cigarettes are not currently made to medicines standards and are probably more hazardous than NRT.
However, the hazard to health arising from long-term vapour inhalation from the e-cigarettes available today is unlikely to exceed 5% of the harm from smoking tobacco.
*Technological developments and improved production standards could reduce the long-term hazard of e-cigarettes.
Update from the CDC on Cause of 'Vaping' Lung Illness
Characteristics of a Multistate Outbreak of Lung Injury ...
This report summarizes patterns of the lung injury outbreak and characteristics of cases associated with e-cigarette use, or vaping.
www.cdc.gov