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Zoe Quinn #meToo / Alec Holowka suicide -- Update: Article questions ZQ's account of events (link in OP)

Gamernyc78

Banned
You read some shit even by ppl in certain positions and it's straight hypocritical. Fact of the matter is a peanut gallery shouldn't have amassed to condemn or vindicate a person without any proof. When tht happens the natural response is another group coming to the defense and showing everything isnt black and white. From past experience we all know Zoe has had issues both with power tripping, mental and lying, hence ppl doing tht detective work to show we cant take her word at face value. What's hard to understand? I think most ppl on here were trying to point out tht her word shouldn't be taken at gospel and thy both had issues. His suicide is a tragic circumstance of a jury being out, it effecting him without all the evidence being out there. The other forums saying fuck tht he's guilty and she's our queen because she has a pussy, now thts sad.
 
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Shodan09

Unconfirmed Member
Fucking HELL. All she had to do was take the L and stay OFF THE FUCKING INTERNET. Professional con artist Zoe Quinn who has yet to release her game or show any real evidence of it gets to walk away freely from a man being dead. His hopes, dreams, ambitions. Gone. He's either in the fucking ground or getting burnt into dust.

She immediately spun it about herself and said she isn't going to speak about it anymore? I don't approve of dissing her personal image or disrespecting her in that way but a man is dead and you're dismissing it?

Crazy how she deactivated her account immediately after the news broke but during the initial stages of you know what she endured the abuse and stayed throughout it. Almost like she knew she holds some form of guilt but even then she's just pretending it's not real.

This woman thrives on the internet and she refuses to quit it because without it she would have nothing. She has no game to show, and only gotten into the comic industry because writing scripts for them is as easy as making lengthy Twitter threads when you have someone else doing the artwork for you.

It's nice that people like her and the girl that falsely accused Andy Signore get the luxury of choosing not to talk about the situation anymore.
 

Pidull

Member

More proof she cannot be trusted. It wont hapoen but she should be blacklisted and charged for defamation. She is vindictive and untrustworthy. Dangerous to work with and in general a clear liability in the workplace.
Let people continue to hire her and continue to fail.

Everything she touches is a commercial failure, and she is already fading into irrelevancy, as evidenced by her pushing someone to suicide in order to get a small boost to her Patreon numbers. Soon, she will be completely forgotten. Sometimes, I absolutely adore capitalism.

These "activists" always disappear eventually. Sooner or later she'll be another Jack Thompson, except she won't have a law school education to fall back on.
 
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Foamy

Unconfirmed Member
It's such a joke to me that she automatically labels anyone who criticized her as misogynists.
I love strong independent women. I think girl gamers are awesome. (I raised both my daughter's as gamers)
Powerful and successful women rock.
I just happen to hate this ugly, opportunistic psychotic bitch.
 
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Debil-Inks

Neo Member

Not sure if this was already shared, trying to keep up.

Glad to see comics news website doing their job properly, and sad to compare it to vg news sites.

Let people continue to hire her and continue to fail.

Everything she touches is a commercial failure, and she is already fading into irrelevancy, as evidenced by her pushing someone to suicide in order to get a small boost to her Patreon numbers. Soon, she will be completely forgotten. Sometimes, I absolutely adore capitalism.

These "activists" always disappear eventually. Sooner or later she'll be another Jack Thompson, except she won't have a law school education to fall back on.

The process can still take some times to have any visible effects.
 

FrostyJ93

Member
Could she be right and telling the truth? Sure but based on released stuff odds are she isn't. She seems rather dangerous to work with now.
 
Sympathies, man. I've only had a couple relationships, but they were flawless and drama less aside from just drifting apart.

I can't imagine someone using something said or done against me like that. Trust of the foundation of any relationship, and that kind of betrayal is brutal.

No worries, long in the past.

As soon as I got the police involved never heard from her again.

People and relationships can be a nightmare. But the opposite can be true too.
 

VertigoOA

Banned
Could she be right and telling the truth? Sure but based on released stuff odds are she isn't. She seems rather dangerous to work with now.

Could be true. Could be she’s a fraud. Time will tell.

People are noticing trends and being suspect.

And we just so happen to be in a time where internet rumors floating around since 1994 have went from myth to fact. So nothing surprises me. Bryan Singer is the worst kept secret in Hollywood and everyone knows it. People have been drivers to his parties and heard things... his time will come.

It’s just strange to me for a good looking girl to serially accuse men of rape and gain fame from it as well.

I say this because I had an ex call the cops and accuse me of shit the day I stopped giving her money. I was shocked when I went thru that so why can’t I say “trust no woman” just as Anita seems to propogate? Oh, because it’s not in fashion ... I see. Figures.

Both men and women are necessary for humanity to move forward. The trend to in society trying to invalidate and condemn men is twisted.

Men and women don’t even perceive logic the same... it’s not a bad thing... it’s how life works.
 
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EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member
Could be true. Could be she’s a fraud. Time will tell.

People are noticing trends and being suspect.

And we just so happen to be in a time where internet rumors floating around since 1994 have went from myth to fact. So nothing surprises me. Bryan Singer is the worst kept secret in Hollywood and everyone knows it. People have been drivers to his parties and heard things... his time will come.

It’s just strange to me for a good looking girl to serially accuse men of rape and game fame from it as well.

There are photos of Singer hosting some kind of explicit casting pool party with underage boys, it’s pretty out in the open at this point.
 

VertigoOA

Banned
There are photos of Singer hosting some kind of explicit casting pool party with underage boys, it’s pretty out in the open at this point.

I have a buddy in the indie wrestling scene who did odd jobs for celebrities at conventions in the city. Mostly just minor bodyguard duties and being a driver.

He’s driven people to his parties.... and those stories are a decade old by now. And I have no reasons not to believe one of my closest friends either... anectdotal or not. There’s so many stories out there.

They got Epstein and Weinstein. They need to get singer. I’ll be upset because Gandalf is also part of his cult of disgusting shit but so be it... as long as Harrison Ford is hero I want to believe he’s always been... I’ll be happy.
 
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EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member
I have a buddy in the indie wrestling scene who did odd jobs for celebrities at conventions in the city. Mostly just minor bodyguard duties and being a driver.

He’s driven people to his parties.... and those stories are a decade old by now. And I have no reasons not to believe one of my closest friends either... anectdotal or not. There’s so many stories out there.

They got Epstein and Weinstein. They need to get singer. I’ll be upset because Gandalf is also part of his cult of disgusting shit but so be it... as long as Harrison Ford is hero I want to believe he’s always been... I’ll be happy.

Epstein went down (surely involuntarily) protecting countless powerful people, most of whom will never face justice. It's a fucked up world we live in underneath the facade of civility and enlightenment.
 
Danny O'Dwyer...

I remember unsubscribing from his documentary channel (noclip) when he put out this video:


Go and ask a fraud about the history of FMV games, not the creators of titles like The 7th Guest, Myst, or Night Trap... No, you have to ask Zoe Quinn all about that.


Her "ins" in the industry like this that just make her seem ever more bizarre.

AFAIK, she has made one short game years ago, has had a few consults on similarly small games, and did a Kickstarter which she has yet to deliver on. Why is she presented as being so important and treated like a VIP? How does someone without any track record of success get positions at Marvel and the like? She clearly was never "blacklisted" like she claims Alec was doing to her.

To compare to a similar case, Brianna Wu has actually made more (and arguably better) media than Quinn, and she gets a fraction of the spotlight.
 

brap

Banned
Why is she presented as being so important and treated like a VIP?
She got in trouble having sex with people for reviews remember?
Remember all those ugly nerds you went to school with? The ones that didn't really have any friends and were really into gaming? Those guys run the industry now. They';; do anything for attention and sex from women.
Danny o Dwyer's (from noclip) fiancee (the female kind) left him on their wedding day. He is still friends with her to this very day because he's a pathetic worm with 0 self respect. Guys like that run everything in gaming these days.
 

Danny Dudekisser

I paid good money for this Dynex!
She got in trouble having sex with people for reviews remember?
Remember all those ugly nerds you went to school with? The ones that didn't really have any friends and were really into gaming? Those guys run the industry now. They';; do anything for attention and sex from women.
Danny o Dwyer's (from noclip) fiancee (the female kind) left him on their wedding day. He is still friends with her to this very day because he's a pathetic worm with 0 self respect. Guys like that run everything in gaming these days.

No, they don't. They are still shit on from a great height.
 

SLB1904

Banned
Resetera is disgusting. Bunch idiots I'm glad I requested perma ban from that shit. It was so obvious that there is people out there that will take advantage of these clowns(social media TWITTER warriors for their on gain. There is a lot o luggage coming with this zoe Quinn. Or she's completely unlucky that this things only happen to her. Or she's a piece of shit whos taking advantage of these idiots internet warriors.

I really don't care if I get banned. There is a lot people out There with real problems
Racism. Rape paedophilia etc. Now if they come out there will be people doubting them because of this shit show.
Victim my ass
 
There are photos of Singer hosting some kind of explicit casting pool party with underage boys, it’s pretty out in the open at this point.

Where are the parents in all this? Or can't they see past all they money they, oh sorry their kids can possibly make?
 

buizel

Banned
Where are the parents in all this? Or can't they see past all they money they, oh sorry their kids can possibly make?

I can't remember the Singer situation (as in the parents opinions), but in regards to Michael Jackson, the kids who would stay over at MJs to be molested. The parents knew about it but we're basically kept silent with money and expensive gifts bought from MJ to 'borrow' their kid
 
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Bitmap Frogs

Mr. Community
Resetera is disgusting. Bunch idiots I'm glad I requested perma ban from that shit. It was so obvious that there is people out there that will take advantage of these clowns(social media TWITTER warriors for their on gain. There is a lot o luggage coming with this zoe Quinn. Or she's completely unlucky that this things only happen to her. Or she's a piece of shit whos taking advantage of these idiots internet warriors.

Remember when slacktivism was just some silly shit to make fun of? It's become vicious as fuck.
 
No, they don't. They are still shit on from a great height.
They don't run the publishers or development studios, but they sure seem to be the norm in game journalism and their extreme left wing political views are exclusively pandered to by marketing, character designers and writers.
 
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McCheese

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Thank God for neogaf, if there wasn't a place to discuss this (and let's be honest, nobody else is) hearing all of her bullshit would drive me insane.

"Gonna tweet as I owe it to my coworkers"

But isn't going to finish (or probably even start) the Kickstarter game cos reasons.

Every decision she makes is financially motivated.
 

Rien

Jelly Belly
These people also have a history of fabricating death threats to make themselves look good. Her allies during GG even made a fake child pornography board on 8chan (complete with actual pictures of children) to start the narrative that 8chan support child porn.

Is there a legit story behind this? Like proof?
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
Hello everyone! It's not the reason why I've registered but I have some frustrating (at least to me) thing to say related to this case.
Week ago on bombcast (giantbomb) they were discussing this matter and obviously siding with Zoe without a shadow of a doubt at all.
Once I've only hinted in the chat to maybe keep it objective since the other side is dead(!) and cannot explain himself and she might not be the most trustworthy person based on her past... I've got permanently banned from giantbomb on sight. 10 years of subscription, active gold member and wow - I've got permanently banned from using chat, commenting and some other functions for suggesting objectivity and waiting for law to sort this out.
I have to say I am shattered - I love giantbomb and loved chatting with folks there but now it'a all gone to me... and I have gold sub purchased for next year in advance.
Not sure if this is the right place to report this - if not, sorry and please delete ! ... I would hate to be banned from yet another community.
As for the rest of the discussion here in the last few pages - that noclip documentary is super weird. She only made 1 crappy game and she is some holy developer now?
 

Hudo

Member
You know, if the SCP Foundation were real, they probably would've contained here already and classified her as a cognitohazard, lol.
 
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Ar¢tos

Member
Comics are like any other business where they believe controversy sells. I feel bad for Tyler Kirkham in all this cause it’s not right to take a job away from him.
I'm not sure that having comics written by a psycho murderer is good publicity.
If she ever finishes writing any... It will probably be just like her game.
 

KOMANI

KOMANI
I'm not sure that having comics written by a psycho murderer is good publicity.
If she ever finishes writing any... It will probably be just like her game.
You know, instead of cancelling the book, I would just vote with my wallet. Maybe that’s stupid, I just know what it’s like to get a job and have it taken away from you because of your writer. I’m also not to thrilled about the demise of Vertigo Comics under Zoe. I admittedly have to do more research on that last bit though.
 
Is there a legit story behind this? Like proof?
Shit, well okay. I'm gonna to try to do this from memory. For proof you'll have to scour old KF threads and ED (when and if it starts working again). Basically all gamergate discussion was banned from 4chan after a few weeks so many migrated to 8chan - a new site at the time. Now the idea of 8chan was to be like a combination of reddit and 4chan, same board structure as 4chan but anyone can make their own boards and can appoint their own moderators. Terrible fucking idea in retrospect - you end up getting the hivemind mentality of subreddits mixed with the 'I was only pretending to be retarded but oh shit now actual retards think I'm being serious' attitude of 4chan - but it seemed like a good idea at the time.

There's an entire story about what a shitshow gamergate turned into on that site (wherein different gamergate boards went to war with each other for absolutely stupid reasons) but that'll have to wait for another day. At the same time a new board started up called /hebe/, a board dedicated to underage jailbait pictures. Not actual child pornography just really fucking close. It's disgusting but I do need to point out that nearly ever single popular site ends up having this problem. The top Google result for reddit for several years was r/jailbait and tumblr basically nuked their entire site once they learnt of the problem.

Anyway at a certain point a man named Dan Olsen, who had publicly stated his stance as being very anti-gamergate, wrote a long-ass expose of how 8chan was harbouring paedophiles. And how this was somehow gamergate's fault? Again reddit had the same problem when it was started, 4chan created the fucking pedobear meme about the problems that site faced and most recently tumblr nuked itself over the issue. And again it was a legal....ish board featuring no nudity, any actual underage nudes where deleted under the sites rules (however due to the nature of 8's moderation this was admittedly often a slow process because 8chan was a bad idea).

Then weird shit happens. I can't quite remember the order of events off the top of my head, it's been a while. But if I remember correctly the stink Dan caused about paedophilia caused 8chan to be de-listed from Google's search results. Dan had downloaded some of the 'porn' himself and - I think - was trying to report it to the authorities. Anyway some channers looked at the images and found that they weren't actually pornographic in nature, Dan himself had blurred out the crotch area despite the underage girls being clothed (I feel really gross writing this by the way as I'm essentially having to defend possible peadophiles ogling at pictures of underage - but technically fully clothed - girls but that's the way shit goes.)

Some more digging happens and it's discovered that the person who founded the /hebe/ board and one of the head moderators was a person named Laureli Bailey, an incredibly infamous figure online with a rap sheet as long as my fucking arm. I'd say check ED but it's down at the moment so I'll try to sum them up briefly. Insane antics and stories follow in their wake. Infamous in the Channology community, on various chan boards and especially on reddit. Basically someone had figured out that the IP that had registered /hebe/ had also registered SJWiki and a few other sites all of which had Laureli's name on it. Also it's worth noting that Laureli themselves was an anti-gamergator.

Now it's hard to tell what exactly happened. There's a lot of contradictory information about this out there - plus a shitload has been deleted in the years since which is the time-honoured tradition of all the gamergate drama - but I'll try my best. It turned out that Laureli and Dan Olsen were... friends isn't the right word, acquaintances online and had communicated with each other before any of this went down. In a secret chat group. Which included Zoe Quinn. If I remember correctly it may have been the Crash Override Network logs but don't quote me on that, it may have been a different, earlier chat-group. It's worth noting that both of them were ex-communicated from said chat-group after this went down.

It's also worth noting that the pictures Dan Olsen downloaded weren't illegal, at least in America. However Dan Olsen lived in Canada where downloading said images is illegal. This lead to a lot of people making fun of him for being a paedophile (he wasn't he was actually either incompetent or stupid). However due to the nature of gamergate, wherein no one actually knew what was going on or what was real or fake, led to many people thinking Olsen actually was a peadophile, which he isnt (at least as far as I can tell) he's just a numbskull.

Either way it kinda worked and as a result traffic died on 8chan for a long time and the site's founder Frederick Brennan ended up abandoning the site soon after, leading to 8chan now being what it is today: where a mass shooter can post their manifesto and a link to a live-stream of their video of said massacre without any moderation stepping in to delete this shit because there is little to no moderation left.

Now there are many conspiracies about this due to the fact that Dan and Lauerli were in contact with each other before this all went down. There may even be some evidence that this was the two of them framing gamergate by... posting (near) child pornography...? Ugh. I haven't been able to find any evidence that actually shows that it was a set-up, including in the secret chat-log which Zoe Quinn was privy to. However the fact that both of them were in contact (in secret!) with each other beforehand is really fucking suspicious. If there's any more evidence to prove the guilt of either of them, or even contradictory evidence that might prove their innocence, I'm all ears.

Plus you asked for proof so here's some. It's worth noting however that the person who posted this is 'Sarah Butts' who if I remember correctly was also a massive paedophile and who, for some reason, was also in various chat-logs with Zoe Quinn. I can't remember her story of the top of my head though as the rather good video about them has been deleted in the years since. Maybe take this evidence with a grain of salt is all I'm saying.

Sheeeit. Seriously I've said it before but I was never a gamergator, I just dig a shitload of digging after finding out about Zoe's lies thanks to her mother casting shade on her autobiography. The whole thing was a fucking trainwreck in my opinion and really shouldn't have happened, at least in the way it did. That being said there's so many absolutely bizarre and fascinating storylines that come out of it when you read through the history of it that are kinda incredible in their own way. Shit, I haven't even told you about how Hulk Hogan figures into all this yet. Or about the time that Brianna Wu's life was threatened by a former-future marine armed with a BB gun. Who'd blamed Wu for crashing his car. A car which he'd been street-racing at the time. And by his car I mean his mother's Prius. This was also shortly after he'd sent one of friends to Israel to save 2pac.

All opinions and views are my own and do not reflect the views and opinions of NeoGaf's staff, administration or moderators. I might have got some shit wrong, it's been a while since I looked into it.
 

Rien

Jelly Belly
Shit, well okay. I'm gonna to try to do this from memory. For proof you'll have to scour old KF threads and ED (when and if it starts working again). Basically all gamergate discussion was banned from 4chan after a few weeks so many migrated to 8chan - a new site at the time. Now the idea of 8chan was to be like a combination of reddit and 4chan, same board structure as 4chan but anyone can make their own boards and can appoint their own moderators. Terrible fucking idea in retrospect - you end up getting the hivemind mentality of subreddits mixed with the 'I was only pretending to be retarded but oh shit now actual retards think I'm being serious' attitude of 4chan - but it seemed like a good idea at the time.

There's an entire story about what a shitshow gamergate turned into on that site (wherein different gamergate boards went to war with each other for absolutely stupid reasons) but that'll have to wait for another day. At the same time a new board started up called /hebe/, a board dedicated to underage jailbait pictures. Not actual child pornography just really fucking close. It's disgusting but I do need to point out that nearly ever single popular site ends up having this problem. The top Google result for reddit for several years was r/jailbait and tumblr basically nuked their entire site once they learnt of the problem.

Anyway at a certain point a man named Dan Olsen, who had publicly stated his stance as being very anti-gamergate, wrote a long-ass expose of how 8chan was harbouring paedophiles. And how this was somehow gamergate's fault? Again reddit had the same problem when it was started, 4chan created the fucking pedobear meme about the problems that site faced and most recently tumblr nuked itself over the issue. And again it was a legal....ish board featuring no nudity, any actual underage nudes where deleted under the sites rules (however due to the nature of 8's moderation this was admittedly often a slow process because 8chan was a bad idea).

Then weird shit happens. I can't quite remember the order of events off the top of my head, it's been a while. But if I remember correctly the stink Dan caused about paedophilia caused 8chan to be de-listed from Google's search results. Dan had downloaded some of the 'porn' himself and - I think - was trying to report it to the authorities. Anyway some channers looked at the images and found that they weren't actually pornographic in nature, Dan himself had blurred out the crotch area despite the underage girls being clothed (I feel really gross writing this by the way as I'm essentially having to defend possible peadophiles ogling at pictures of underage - but technically fully clothed - girls but that's the way shit goes.)

Some more digging happens and it's discovered that the person who founded the /hebe/ board and one of the head moderators was a person named Laureli Bailey, an incredibly infamous figure online with a rap sheet as long as my fucking arm. I'd say check ED but it's down at the moment so I'll try to sum them up briefly. Insane antics and stories follow in their wake. Infamous in the Channology community, on various chan boards and especially on reddit. Basically someone had figured out that the IP that had registered /hebe/ had also registered SJWiki and a few other sites all of which had Laureli's name on it. Also it's worth noting that Laureli themselves was an anti-gamergator.

Now it's hard to tell what exactly happened. There's a lot of contradictory information about this out there - plus a shitload has been deleted in the years since which is the time-honoured tradition of all the gamergate drama - but I'll try my best. It turned out that Laureli and Dan Olsen were... friends isn't the right word, acquaintances online and had communicated with each other before any of this went down. In a secret chat group. Which included Zoe Quinn. If I remember correctly it may have been the Crash Override Network logs but don't quote me on that, it may have been a different, earlier chat-group. It's worth noting that both of them were ex-communicated from said chat-group after this went down.

It's also worth noting that the pictures Dan Olsen downloaded weren't illegal, at least in America. However Dan Olsen lived in Canada where downloading said images is illegal. This lead to a lot of people making fun of him for being a paedophile (he wasn't he was actually either incompetent or stupid). However due to the nature of gamergate, wherein no one actually knew what was going on or what was real or fake, led to many people thinking Olsen actually was a peadophile, which he isnt (at least as far as I can tell) he's just a numbskull.

Either way it kinda worked and as a result traffic died on 8chan for a long time and the site's founder Frederick Brennan ended up abandoning the site soon after, leading to 8chan now being what it is today: where a mass shooter can post their manifesto and a link to a live-stream of their video of said massacre without any moderation stepping in to delete this shit because there is little to no moderation left.

Now there are many conspiracies about this due to the fact that Dan and Lauerli were in contact with each other before this all went down. There may even be some evidence that this was the two of them framing gamergate by... posting (near) child pornography...? Ugh. I haven't been able to find any evidence that actually shows that it was a set-up, including in the secret chat-log which Zoe Quinn was privy to. However the fact that both of them were in contact (in secret!) with each other beforehand is really fucking suspicious. If there's any more evidence to prove the guilt of either of them, or even contradictory evidence that might prove their innocence, I'm all ears.

Plus you asked for proof so here's some. It's worth noting however that the person who posted this is 'Sarah Butts' who if I remember correctly was also a massive paedophile and who, for some reason, was also in various chat-logs with Zoe Quinn. I can't remember her story of the top of my head though as the rather good video about them has been deleted in the years since. Maybe take this evidence with a grain of salt is all I'm saying.

Sheeeit. Seriously I've said it before but I was never a gamergator, I just dig a shitload of digging after finding out about Zoe's lies thanks to her mother casting shade on her autobiography. The whole thing was a fucking trainwreck in my opinion and really shouldn't have happened, at least in the way it did. That being said there's so many absolutely bizarre and fascinating storylines that come out of it when you read through the history of it that are kinda incredible in their own way. Shit, I haven't even told you about how Hulk Hogan figures into all this yet. Or about the time that Brianna Wu's life was threatened by a former-future marine armed with a BB gun. Who'd blamed Wu for crashing his car. A car which he'd been street-racing at the time. And by his car I mean his mother's Prius. This was also shortly after he'd sent one of friends to Israel to save 2pac.

All opinions and views are my own and do not reflect the views and opinions of NeoGaf's staff, administration or moderators. I might have got some shit wrong, it's been a while since I looked into it.


Well. I certainly got what I asked. Thanx for the write-up.

Quite the clusterfuck man. Gotta admit, I am not really sober at the moment so I have some difficulties trying to wrap my head around it lol :p but jeez
 

Rien

Jelly Belly
That being said there's so many absolutely bizarre and fascinating storylines that come out of it when you read through the history of it that are kinda incredible in their own way. Shit, I haven't even told you about how Hulk Hogan figures into all this yet. Or about the time that Brianna Wu's life was threatened by a former-future marine armed with a BB gun. Who'd blamed Wu for crashing his car. A car which he'd been street-racing at the time. And by his car I mean his mother's Prius. This was also shortly after he'd sent one of friends to Israel to save 2pac.

Wait... what? Damn. Guess not being sober isn’t the problem. I’m not stoned enough for this shit
 
Well. I certainly got what I asked. Thanx for the write-up.

Quite the clusterfuck man. Gotta admit, I am not really sober at the moment so I have some difficulties trying to wrap my head around it lol :p but jeez
Wait... what? Damn. Guess not being sober isn’t the problem. I’m not stoned enough for this shit
Oh, I'm fucking drunk as shit right now too. Gamergate began as both a genuine concern about where the line was drawn as far as game journalism goes and it was also about those goddamn feminists and SJWs getting into our hobby, dag nab it. Best way I've hear it described is that it was like a Flame-war with real world consequences. It was political right from the start but the politics where those of various websites and communities, politics which are far removed from the real world left/right dynamic (at least at the time, things have changed since and arguably gamergate is partially to blame at least to according to some people).

As far as Jace Connors goes (the guy with the BB gun) I'm just gonna leave you this video it sums up everything (this is real... kinda):



And as far as Hulk Hogan goes, he generally didn't have much to do with the actual gamergate stuff however he was involved in a massive lawsuit with Kotaku's parent company at the time, Gawker media. Over them publishing an illegally filmed sex-tape of him having sex with his best friend's (a man legally named Bubba The Love Sponge) wife. A video Bubba himself secretly filmed because he likes watching bigger men have sex with his wife. A video leaked by rival DJ named Spongeboy.

Anyway there's a lot more to go through but it eventually came to trial (all this shit was happening before, during and after gamergate too) wherein Hulk Hogan had to defend the size of his fictional penis in court:



Meanwhile Gawker had to defend their stance on child pornography because the writer of that article had made an incredibly bad joke during his deposition (sorry you'll have to watch through this video to find the moment though if I remember right it's what the lawyer hits Dalerio with the second he takes the stand):



Needless to say Gawker lost, went bankrupt and then it turned out the whole thing had been secretly funded by Peter Thiel, a right-wing billionaire (and one of the founders of PayPal) who'd been outed as gay by Gawker years before. Basically it was just Thiel playing petty revenge on an epic scale.

You can't make this shit up. There's more to say (honestly way more in both cases but I'm drunk as shit and can't be fucked) but that's the basic gist. Seriously following the gamergate thing through all its storylines is utterly fascinating. The only problem with the whole thing is that way too many idiots flocked to it and the basic concern about video game journalistic ethics is a bit dry and everything related to that issue is just kinda dull other than a handful of exceptional meltdowns. Everything else, the weirdo storylines that weave through gamergate, what actually caused it, the politics, the bizarre shift that happened on multiple sites and the sheer insanity that ensued afterwards is fucking amazing. There's an entire Russian novel of autism to be written about the whole affair if anyone has the balls to write it.
 
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Is there a legit story behind this? Like proof?

Looks like the lolcow wiki I usually cite is down, which is unfortunate because it cited primary sources, but Dan Olson's and Lauralai Bailey's KF threads goes into it:



Laurelai also got involved with Gamergate, as he was the one who created the child porn board on 8chan which he then sent to Dan Olson (aka FoldableHuman) to make the hit piece about 8chan. Gamergaters saw through the ruse but even to this day the anti-Gamergate spergs love to bring up Olson's article, conveniently leaving out that Laurelai was responsible.

Basically, Lauralai made a board called /hebe/ on 8chan and uploaded photos to it, as well as encouraged discussion on an IRC on a domain she owned, as evidenced by the the following post and whois lookup:

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This board was then quickly cited, before being taken down by 8chan's mods, by Dan Olson as "evidence" of CP being on 8chan.

The wiki had even more info, but that is clear evidence of involvement of these anti-Gamergaters in a false flag.
 
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Punished Miku

Gold Member
Her "ins" in the industry like this that just make her seem ever more bizarre.

AFAIK, she has made one short game years ago, has had a few consults on similarly small games, and did a Kickstarter which she has yet to deliver on. Why is she presented as being so important and treated like a VIP? How does someone without any track record of success get positions at Marvel and the like? She clearly was never "blacklisted" like she claims Alec was doing to her.

To compare to a similar case, Brianna Wu has actually made more (and arguably better) media than Quinn, and she gets a fraction of the spotlight.
She is important in Twitter drama and that's it. Its not much different than toxic people on REEE who post 10k times a month and come off as popular there. But in reality they dont do anything.
 
The majority of this thread has degenerated into an bizarre Qanon-esque conspiracy zone where Quinn is either a supernatural demon or is being protected by some mysterious ultrapowerful liberal/SJW illuminati and the entire world is in on it except for the NeoGaf community.

I don't think Holowka should have committed suicide: I think there was a path of redemption that he could and should have taken. At the same time, I don't see any particular reason to DOUBT the allegations against him either; keeping in mind that there's more than just Quinn accusing him and suicide doesn't exactly play well as an "I'm Innocent!" tactic.
 
I don't care much for violence, but most of those words make me what to bitch slap whoever is saying them.



My take on it is that it is a desire to appear African-American (therefore oppressed) online. It is literally a form of digital black face.

You are MASSIVELY overthinking this. Its literally just as simple as these terms and phrases becoming popular and common use in real life, outside of gaming forums.
 

petran79

Banned
The majority of this thread has degenerated into an bizarre Qanon-esque conspiracy zone where Quinn is either a supernatural demon or is being protected by some mysterious ultrapowerful liberal/SJW illuminati and the entire world is in on it except for the NeoGaf community.

It is a Quinn-spiracy
 
The majority of this thread has degenerated into an bizarre Qanon-esque conspiracy zone where Quinn is either a supernatural demon or is being protected by some mysterious ultrapowerful liberal/SJW illuminati and the entire world is in on it except for the NeoGaf community.

So what is your explanation for articles about this all using the same odd language (Alec "died"), the sudden scrubbing of material related to Quinn's past from various websites, and the circling of the wagons by the game journalists to protect her?

I don't think Holowka should have committed suicide: I think there was a path of redemption that he could and should have taken. At the same time, I don't see any particular reason to DOUBT the allegations against him either; keeping in mind that there's more than just Quinn accusing him

Quinn accused him of sexual assault, but never actually said he assaulted her. Quinn's and Alec's records from that time show a mutually abusive relationship between two sick people, one of whom actually sought help for his problems.

and suicide doesn't exactly play well as an "I'm Innocent!" tactic.

Bullshit. People kill themselves when they lose their life's work all the time, and he lost everything including his family.

It is a Quinn-spiracy

 
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The majority of this thread has degenerated into an bizarre Qanon-esque conspiracy zone where Quinn is either a supernatural demon or is being protected by some mysterious ultrapowerful liberal/SJW illuminati and the entire world is in on it except for the NeoGaf community.

I don't think Holowka should have committed suicide: I think there was a path of redemption that he could and should have taken. At the same time, I don't see any particular reason to DOUBT the allegations against him either; keeping in mind that there's more than just Quinn accusing him and suicide doesn't exactly play well as an "I'm Innocent!" tactic.
Eh, I'll bite. Please read this post I made before Alec Holowka died:
Well, jesus... alright. Simple summary: Female game developer who created the twine game Depression Quest. Later was involved in a bonkers controversy around her personal life that metastasised into Gamergate in 2014. Now works as a comic book writer. That's about as much as you can say that everyone agrees on.

Divisive figure, very very divisive. In many ways the Gamergate... thing divided the online gaming community in ways that are still going on today. You could argue it lead to the split that happened on this site in late 2017 but by then Gamergate was over. Basically to a large portion of the gaming community she's almost a martyr, harassed by a misogynistic hate mob organised by her jilted ex-boyfriend for crimes she didn't commit, this is the view that the people on ResetEra by and large have. To another large group she's a professional victim, grifter extraordinaire and a compulsive liar to boot. As you may be able to tell the users of this site have more the latter opinion and honestly I somewhat agree with them.

Let me explain my view. By the way hi, this is my second post on here. I finally decided to make an account just to reply to this question. Hopefully this post falls under the rules but if any moderators or admins have a problem with it please tell me and I will edit this post accordingly. Also sorry for the novel-length post, I figured if I was going to do this I should be thorough. And before I start: this is not a defence of gamergate. I could write an entire novel about where it went wrong and the problems it had from day one. This is specifically about Quinn because... well, you asked.

Anyway I was never a Gamergator, I was around at the time it happened but missed most of the early drama on 4chan and Reddit so was totally out of the loop when one day multiple sites posted articles decrying the 'Death/End of Gamers'. It was confusing and bizarre that all these sites were running essentially the same story. But I didn't get involved in any way, by that point the gamergate controversy had already become too confusing to get a handle on. Besides more than a few women were apparently being harassed in really vile ways and no one in their right mind wants to be associated with that. Plus I had a life.

Later in 2016 my life fell apart around me for several months and I became unintentionally immersed in the bizarre drama that was raging all over the internet, many of the faces involved (Sargon, Milo Yiannopolous) having been faces in the gamergate controversy that had now basically ended. I learnt a lot more about what gamergate actually was then but the origin was still a mystery to me the more I looked into it.

Basically a pro-gamergator will tell you that the whole thing started when it was revealed that an indie dev (Zoe) had slept with a games journalist and shortly afterwards her game had received a good review from said writer. Only that's completely untrue, says someone else (let's call them anti-gamergate), there was no review for Depression Quest. What actually happened was that said indie dev's 'jilted' ex-boyfriend (Eron Gjoni) wrote a nearly 10,000 word, misogynistic, 'sexual manifesto' detailing his ex's many sexual slights against him and then posted it to 4chan in order to get various anonymous trolls to 'harass her into therapy'. This is where the claim that Zoe Quinn had slept with a games journalist and then got a good review came from and the whole thing was quickly revealed to be a load of lies.

Neither version of the story is exactly true but that's about as far as I dived into it back then, I never read through the 'Zoe Post' to really confirm what was and wasn't true (that thing is goddamn long for a start and by that point gamergate itself was by and large over so it almost didn't matter anymore.) About a year later the internet drama had subsided, Milo Yiannopolous was disgraced. Sargon was increasingly becoming a joke/losing his mind and the whole thing was completely and utterly over.

So one day, late 2017, I was curious about what the hell had happened. I learnt Zoe Quinn had written a book about her experiences, Crash Override: How Gamergate (Nearly) Destroyed My Life. I was curious what her perspective on the whole thing was and considered giving it a read. First I looked at the Amazon page for it though, reviews were about what I expected: about half of them were 5 star reviews calling it a masterpiece and the other half were one star reviews calling Zoe Quinn a liar and a whore, with a small percentage of them being 2-4 star reviews by people who seemed to have actually read the book.

But then one review caught my eye. It was on the first page, one paragraph, 4 stars. The title drew my attention, just saying "..." so I read it and was utterly confused. Here it is. This archive was taken slightly before the title change though so it still has its original title. Just in case the link doesn't work for you here it is in full:

"Removed my houseguest and her review since it was on my account, and had a chance to read the book. Yes, my daughter did take some liberties with her childhood history, but, that is what writers do, a normal childhood is boring reading, the point of her book is well met with good intent and written well. I hope it helps women in the gaming industry as it is meant to.Small minded people can do with this what they may. "

Now I found myself reading and re-reading that over and over and still being absolutely bewildered. So I clicked on the title and found out that Amazon reviews actually have comments sections (I didn't know up until that point) and discovered that the 15 or so people who still gave a rat's arse about gamergate in 2017 (the number is even smaller now) had commented, mocking Quinn mostly. One commenter had something interesting to say though: a link to the original version of that review that had been left a few days prior. The title: "I initially bought this book optimistic that a brilliant child I watched grow up had prospered and surmounted almost..." The rating: two stars. Here it is in full. But again in case the link doesn't work for you:

"I initially bought this book optimistic that a brilliant child I watched grow up had prospered and surmounted almost impossible negativity but was profoundly shocked from the onset. The first chapters contained multiple falsehoods regarding her childhood and I just quit reading. Her Mother is a close friend of many years, our daughters grew up together. Nobody deserves the horrors endured at the hands of misogyny rampant in the gaming industry as described, certainly not Chelsea (Zoe) who tried to help those experiencing depression, but ironically in her own words, had little sympathy for her own Mother with depression other than perceiving herself as a victim. Zoe is a talented writer, wish it was more factual because it does cast doubts on the accuracy of the rest of the tale. Also wish she was more appreciative of the small town, morally sound, traditionally rich childhood that she actually had. "

Now I was somehow even more confused but the pieces were starting to fall into place. If you've read some of the previous comments you might have noticed some people joking about how her mother's died twice now. Well, here's her mothers view of her daughters' story. I mean that's assuming that this isn't a house-guest, who logged into her amazon account. And even in the edited version she still claims her daughter lied about her childhood. I don't know am I being an asshole? The answer's probably yes but I saw this with my own two eyes, this was public (at least as far as the internet goes) for a while anyway. Don't try looking for this review, it's been deleted for years now hence why I provided archive links as proof that this was real.

So I dug a little deeper. Before I go on I need to point out to any moderators or administrators reading this: I have made sure that all links I have provided do not contain any information that can lead to possible doxxing of either Zoe's mother or Zoe herself. It's against the rules but I just don't want it to happen regardless. Clicking on the account name on either review archive brings you to an 'error' page as Amazon's account pages do not let you archive them and the account is now long deleted. If it didn't I would not have posted it. I've read through the rules and I think what I've posted is okay but if you have a problem I will change this post accordingly.

Anyway I dug a little deeper and discovered a rather nasty troll-forum which had been a part of gamergate from the start. I'm not going to name it for obvious reasons but I'll just give you the gist. Basically Quinn's mother had been doxxed years ago, although that might sound bad I need to stress that the only thing the trolls discovered was her name... which then lead to her Facebook account which is quite invasive but I digress, I never said that these were good people on this forum. It turned out shortly after the first version of the review (the 'houseguest' version) someone had trawled through the user's account and had discovered Zoe's mother's name on one of the wishlists. This account and the wishlist itself were several years old, predating the events of 2014. Obviously I cannot post links or proof of this, I am afraid you're going to have to trust me on this one. About 4 days later (on 9/11 as well just to add to the surreal humour of all this) the review was re-edited into the 4 star version I posted, her account was made private and her Facebook suddenly locked. Later I went back to check I hadn't dreamt this all up and found everything had been deleted, the review, her account, everything.

But now my curiosity was peaked. How did Zoe's mother find out that a fairly obscure site had found out that her review, wherein she posed as a family friend, had actually been left by her. I strongly doubt that she had discovered this troll-forum for herself, or that they contacted her in any way (it's just not their MO even though it is possible.) A new theory started emerging in front of me. Did Zoe Quinn keep tabs on the people who were gossiping about her? Did she force her own mother to change her review of her book once she found out about it? This is something of a conspiracy theory, but the more I learnt about the actual origins of the gamergate controversy the more it started to be the most plausible explanation. Plus in both cases her mother said that the opening chapters about her childhood are nothing but lies.

So, I started researching, reading through the entire history of the initial Zoe Quinn scandal and the subsequent Gamergate controversy that spawned from it. I now had a weird issue though, I was now mildly obsessed with long-dead internet drama from 3 years ago (5 years now). This story had taken the internet by storm in 2014 and was divisive as hell right from the start, splitting the internet gaming community in two and it still hasn't fully recovered from it. Plus many of the people involved in the pro-gamergate side are now embarrassed as all hell about their involvement. Many have deleted or made private any and all of their public posts/videos about it mostly leaving only the voices of people who are still obsessed with it, some of whom have gone absolutely bonkers in the subsequent years.

However I discovered what I think really happened with the controversy around Zoe Quinn. I could go into details if you want in another post but that's besides the point. What I'd seen on the Amazon review page was basically the exact behaviour that started the whole gamergate thing in the first place. Someone from Zoe's real life calling her out for being a liar in a very public way. It's honestly possible to feel some sympathy for Zoe as it is someone airing dirty laundry out in public. But then something weird happens, in this case it got censored and then later deleted. In other cases it gets memory-holed, articles about it might get pulled from sites and then excluded from Wayback Machine archives, any and all discussion on other forums is immediately deleted including 4chan's /pol/ board, etc. With gamergate they believed that this was some kind of a conspiracy but I disagree (one of my many, many problems with the gamergate movement.) I think, and I believe I'm right about this, that it's Zoe Quinn herself doing damage control in the most obvious and suspect way possible. In the case of what happened after her ex-boyfriend posted his long-ass helldump about her this damage control triggered a massive backlash on several forums and chan boards. However her version of the story was picked up by the media (to be clear here, we're mostly talking about feminist blogs here, not mainstream news sources or even gaming websites... at first. This later changed when it turned into gamergate where both gaming and mainstream sources picked up on the story and found themselves citing those blogs which were in turn citing Zoe's own version of events. ) I would argue her attempts at damage control were what actually set off the internet and caused the massive shitstorm that lead to gamergate.

More than that though, both her mother's review and the 'Zoe Post' written by her ex-boyfriend tell the same story. She lies about everything. That's the actual gist of the Zoe Post. Not only that but Eron Gjoni never claims in it that Zoe Quinn had sex for a good review. In fact the word 'review' never appears once in the text. He did claim that Zoe had slept with RPS/Kotaku writer Nathan Grayson, a game journalist who had in the past written articles about her, and that claim did turn out to be true. However it turned out soon afterwards that he'd never reviewed Depression Quest and all articles written about Quinn were from before they slept together (which is another criticism I could level at the gamergate movement.) However that's not what the Zoe Post is really about, it's about dated someone who turns out to be a compulsive liar, experiencing emotional abuse and discovering everything you thought you knew about your girlfriend was an elaborate lie. I don't like defending Gjoni by the way, I understand why he wrote the Zoe Post but I wouldn't have ever published it anywhere on the internet. Also, one of the big problems is that he decided to write it in a semi-funny relatable way. A sort of Gallows-humour which actually makes the thing quite readable despite its length. Unfortunately it caused many to not take it seriously and also unintentionally appealed to 4chan who turned his joke about how he started calling his ex 'Five Guys: Burgers and Fries' after finding out his girlfriend had been lying and gaslighting him and had actually been cheating on him with five different people, into a meme. Also he didn't post it to 4chan, 4chan found it on its own. Nor is it misogynistic or a sexual manifesto. Even calling him 'jilted' is wrong, he dumped her.

But I'm getting off-topic again. The thing to understand about Zoe Quinn is that anything that she says or writes is likely a lie. Zoe Quinn isn't even her real name, as her mother said, it's Chelsea (I know her last name too but I'll refrain from saying it here lest harassment or doxxing might occur). I'll put it like this: here's her Wikipedia page. Date of birth: 1987. You might be wondering why it doesn't have a month or day on it. Well, Zoe celebrates her birthday on August 13th. However some legal documents were filed when she took Eron Gjoni to court which showed that isn't real birthday. It's in September. I'd post proof but I'm unsure of whether or not that would be allowed under the rules here, so I won't take chances.

I could go on. There's a lot to say about Zoe Quinn.... well, Chelsea. Basically because everything she says is likely a lie it's quite possible that her claims of sexual harassment are bollocks. This is a fine line to walk on though, it could be true for all we know. But time and time again Zoe Quinn has been shown to be a massive liar. That's the thing that struck me about discovering that review for myself. By the time her book came out Gamergate was long over. Yet there was still this drama surrounding her despite all of harassers having long since moved on. Increasingly I learnt that there is still a drama around Zoe Quinn because there has always been a drama around Zoe Quinn because Zoe Quinn is the drama. Is that to say she didn't get harassed in really nasty, vile ways? No, she did (although one particular famous incident - the hacking and doxxing of her tumblr - does have a lot of asterisks attached to it but I will not go into that here) because the internet is awful and cruel. But as far as I can tell, it always stems from her own lies. And when people call her out about it things can get very, very weird.

Christ, I'll end this here. I could keep going on but I'll stop for now. Hopefully the links I've posted are allowed, sorry if they aren't. I think they're within the rules but if not my apologies.

TL;DR: Zoe Quinn is a divisive figure, many consider a innocent victim of a lot of bad stuff while many think she's a serial liar. I believe the latter more as I think I have seen proof of it for myself, as did many people on 4chan and Reddit about 5 years ago which inadvertently started the gamergate flame-war. As a result I would take her accusations of sexual assault with a huge grain of salt. It might be true for all we know but time and time again Zoe Quinn has shown a very loose grip on the truth and reality thus any statement made by her should be dealt with the utmost scrutiny.

Sorry for the novella.
...in which I outlined how I came to the conclusion that Zoe Quinn lies about fucking everything. Yeah it's fucking long but I wanted to be thorough. Here's a follow-up post in which I realized that NeoGaf's new policies were a lot less strict and I posted proof of her real name
Oh fuck it. Well, Quinn's allegations seem to be blowing up in the media, again.Already the kind of shit-talking we're doing here is being framed as baseless misogyny at least according to Salon. I tried to write that last post in as charitable a way as I possibly could but it will never work. Anyway it turns out this board is a lot more anything goes than I initially thought so here's a police document Zoe Quinn filed against her ex-boyfriend. I mentioned it above:


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Of course all pertinent contact information has been censored and it's legal to post. If any moderators have a problem with this I'll delete it. I just wanted to post it to show two things: 1. That's Zoe Quinn's real name. It's actually Chelsea Van Valkenburg and 2: Her birthday: September 4th, 1987.

Why do I bring this up? Zoe Quinn says her birthday is on August 13, 1987. She even celebrates this on twitter even up to August 13 this year... Everything Chelsea has ever said is likely a lie. Really, every single thing. This woman has a history of lying about everything in her entire existence. Zoe Quinn isn't even real, Chelsea's entire Zoe persona is a a fiction.

I think I'm more addressing this to anyone who might be reading this from outside Gaf, maybe even someone from ResetEra. Please listen, do not trust this person. This is (well for me anyway) not about claims of sexual abuse nor is this about the other allegations against Jeremy Soule - I don't know anything about the accuser and for all I know it could well be true. This is not about gamergate - that whole thing is long dead and needs to be buried. This is specifically about the fact that you people are believing the word of someone who is not trust-worthy, whose every word be it written or spoken is likely an outright lie.

It's clear that the hive-mind of this board has some views on #MeToo, sexual assault and twitter allegations which you might vehemently disagree with and that's entirely your right if you disagree. I'm not arguing with that. But the reason why everyone is treating this with such derision is because we've been here before. We've witnessed the same song and dance over and over and over again since she first became a hot-topic issue in late 2014.

I'm not saying that Zoe.... fuck it, Chelsea wasn't sexually abused by Alec Holowka at some point. But all you guys are going on is her word. And as someone who's watched this whole charade for a while now, I wouldn't believe a single thing she says. Please, if anyone's lurking from ResetEra, please listen. Don't trust this person. It doesn't matter what politics you have or if you're a feminist or have been sexually harassed/abused or anything else. Just don't trust Chelsea whatever you do.

Now I hate repeating this, partially because my first post on this website was a bit fucking long and a wee bit wanky (I was trying to write something that would appeal across the isle - that if someone from ResetEra stumbled across this thread they might understand why some people thought Quinn was full of shit without any political bias added or any commentary about #MeToo or cancel culture or anything else).

However if you're too lazy to read my first post (and I can't blame you for that it was a bit rambling) Zoe Quinn's own mother posted a review of her daughter's autobiography on Amazon. In this review (in which she claimed she was a family friend and not her mother) she said her daughter's autobiography was nothing but a bunch of lies. There's archive links in my first post so here's a picture of it:


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And then 4 days later (on 9/11 no less to add to the surreal humour of it all) it was edited to this:


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It's worth noting that a certain infamous 'troll' board had figured out the identity of the original poster before it got re-edited. However there remains one big fucking question. How did Zoe's... Chelsea's mother find out that her identity had been revealed. This site is fairly obscure, how did Chelsea's mom find out some weirdos, in a pretty obscure and insulated corner of the internet, know who she really was? I go into more detail in my first post but basically it's a trend with anything related to Chelsea going back to the initial incidents that started the gamergate nonsense.. Whenever someone calls them out, no matter which platform, it always tends to get deleted or the site gets DDOSed or, more recently, they commit suicide.

A lot has come about Chelsea and Holowka over the last few weeks and it's a clusterfuck to try to sort through it all (good luck Anna). However to say that it's some Qanon conspiracy to think Chelsea's lying is just fucking disingenuous and implies you haven't fucking read a single page of the thread here. Before I posted some people here were already joking about how her mother had died twice. She's still alive by the way, Chelsea had made both of those claims long before her mother threw shade at her. That's why few here here believed her even before Alec Holowka took his own life.

Look, there's an entire post I'm tempted to make about how some people (arguably including myself to be fair) were already on the anti-Quinn bandwagon before this all started. How they don't really give a fuck about who Alec Holowka actually was, what games he developed (in fairness I really dug Aquaria) or the actual tragedy of all this. How some people, although less so on this site, are using this whole thing as an excuse to keep on shitting on Zoe Quinn, an extra notch in some war record that few people from the outside world care about. However this chick still caused some guy to commit suicide and due to well-documented past-events which I have outlined here and in previous posts, some of which I have linked, many here have good reason to believe that any word that comes out Zoe Quinn's mouth (aka Chelsea Van Valkenbug aka Locke Valentine) is a complete and utter lie.

And no, suicide doesn't mean that he's guilty you fucking twat. Suicide is typically what happens when you get to the end of your rope and the only option out is to stop breathing. It's fucking horrifying and the fact that you believe that his death is reason to believe that he's guilty is utterly absurd.
 
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Cybrwzrd

Banned
You are MASSIVELY overthinking this. Its literally just as simple as these terms and phrases becoming popular and common use in real life, outside of gaming forums.

I was born and grew up in the north. I have lived in the south for 10 years now, for most of my adult life. I refuse to say "y'all". There is no excuse for a lilly white person born north of the mason-dixon to say the word "y'all". It all comes from black twitter and a desire to look cool.
 

Knivess

Neo Member
The majority of this thread has degenerated into an bizarre Qanon-esque conspiracy zone where Quinn is either a supernatural demon or is being protected by some mysterious ultrapowerful liberal/SJW illuminati and the entire world is in on it except for the NeoGaf community.

I don't think Holowka should have committed suicide: I think there was a path of redemption that he could and should have taken. At the same time, I don't see any particular reason to DOUBT the allegations against him either; keeping in mind that there's more than just Quinn accusing him and suicide doesn't exactly play well as an "I'm Innocent!" tactic.

With respect, if you don't see any reason to doubt her accusations then i doubt that you've done much research on the subject.
 

Dr. Claus

Vincit qui se vincit
I was born and grew up in the north. I have lived in the south for 10 years now, for most of my adult life. I refuse to say "y'all". There is no excuse for a lilly white person born north of the mason-dixon to say the word "y'all". It all comes from black twitter and a desire to look cool.

Most of the Dakotas say that term and it has nothing to do with black twitter. The term "y'all" is common place across the midwest (regardless of whether you are north or south) and your strange and silly refusal to say the term is... well strange and silly.
 
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