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[Bryank75]

It feels like not many people here watched it....

He starts out highlighting how Microsoft presided over the generation that really brought in micro-transactions, paid online and other heinous business practices.

He then goes on to highlight how they have continued to try and smuggle these shitty practices into every game they can..... even Gamepass is a vehicle for terrible business practices. There is a reason it is 1 dollar...... cause they are going to screw everyone the minute it makes sense.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

TIL video games are bad

Thank you, person who talks about video games for a living.

Dude is a games journalist through and through right down to the self loathing.

 

[Kacho]

He then goes on to highlight how they have continued to try and smuggle these shitty practices into every game they can..... even Gamepass is a vehicle for terrible business practices. There is a reason it is 1 dollar...... cause they are going to screw everyone the minute it makes sense.

Gamepass really does seem like a trojan horse for some type of fuckery down the line. Wouldn't suprise me if we saw an uptick on MTX and DLC in all their games next gen. Part of the hook for gamepass is to get people invested so consumers eventually spend money on MTX and DLC addons.

 

[zeorhymer]

It feels like not many people here watched it....

He starts out highlighting how Microsoft presided over the generation that really brought in micro-transactions, paid online and other heinous business practices.

He then goes on to highlight how they have continued to try and smuggle these shitty practices into every game they can..... even Gamepass is a vehicle for terrible business practices. There is a reason it is 1 dollar...... cause they are going to screw everyone the minute it makes sense.

You mean like how horse armor isn't the progenitor of all this? You mean how F2P games started this thing? You mean how mobile games didn't go ape shit with micro transactions? Blaming it on ONE company is lunacy.

 

[chilleverest]

It feels like not many people here watched it....

He starts out highlighting how Microsoft presided over the generation that really brought in micro-transactions, paid online and other heinous business practices.

He then goes on to highlight how they have continued to try and smuggle these shitty practices into every game they can..... even Gamepass is a vehicle for terrible business practices. There is a reason it is 1 dollar...... cause they are going to screw everyone the minute it makes sense.

Agreed. After watching the vid, he makes very good points. I think MTX has no place in SP games whatsoever and i support his efforts to speak up about it.

 

[Damigos]

Thank god for Jim

 

[Enjay]

It's actually Jim's fault as this whole industry is overpacked with ppl just like Jim.

 

[Neff]

There's truth to what Sterling is saying- and I can't believe I'm saying that.

MS came to a predominantly Japanese industry waving its big American dick around and did things in a very American way. They either didn't understand the way things were, or weren't interested in contributing to it- they wanted to set the standard, and thanks to their raw spending power, they managed it, to a point. Some of that standard was good, but some of it was bad. And overall, the industry changed for the worse thanks to that bad.

 

[Aurelian]

MS had so many great games on PC, it's strange why they never had the same success on console.

I'm talking Microsoft Flight Simulator, Age of Empires, MechWarrior, Crimson Skies, MidTown Madness, Zoo Tycoon, Links Golf.

They have the money to make exclusive games on consoles but they refuse to do it.

Those are from a different era, I'd say -- other developers, goals and cultures. Flight Sim, MechWarrior and Links in particular emerged from an era when deep sims represented a larger chunk of the audience (partly because being a PC gamer then tended to mean you were technical by nature). The problem is that Microsoft didn't really adapt well to the expansion of gaming to include a broader audience.

 

[JLB]

I would say they have barely any that warrant an eckbock, that's why the sales are where they are compared to others.

Thats your presumption that having the best catalog means leading sales.
Let me tell you: It didnt work for Dreamcast in the past.
And not working for HBO nowadays, even when it has much better content that Netflix.

 

[phil_t98]

WOW, certainly not necessary, it's his opinion....I'm sure he argued his case unlike you.....We should stop attacking people and instead attack and counter attack arguments.....

No, they built studios and grew them, they allowed devs to be creative, not use a stick as a headmaster in a London orphanage of yonder....

Perhaps you should do some research on the number of Studios MS has shuttered....How about number of games cancelled, this gen alone, when they needed games more than any other Console manufacturer......

Also, there's a level of hypocrisy with lots of persons on this.....They always talk about EVO, and it grates me that EVO is gone, but business is business and EVO has not been having a good launch with good sales for more than a minute...They were given many chances.....The hypocrisy I see is how many people are asking or asked for PD to shut down earlier this gen, yet GTS is so innovative and a success, it's the best driving game online with a huge following and high production external events.......Sony does not shutter Devs who deliver, they allow their devs to take their time and change their formula, they don't rut them out by slaving them away on the same cookie cutter racer year after year, perhaps with some loot crates or another gimmick to suction the money out of their fanbase....


OT, I will watch the video soonish…..

Psygnosis says hi.

 

[Shrap]

It feels like not many people here watched it....

He starts out highlighting how Microsoft presided over the generation that really brought in micro-transactions, paid online and other heinous business practices.

He then goes on to highlight how they have continued to try and smuggle these shitty practices into every game they can..... even Gamepass is a vehicle for terrible business practices. There is a reason it is 1 dollar...... cause they are going to screw everyone the minute it makes sense.

Exactly. The title is obvious clickbait but Microsoft is absolutely far and away the biggest contributor to predatory monetisation models and decline in gaming content/quality among the 3 console developers.

Let's not forget they also kicked off paid online for consoles.

 

[nikolino840]

Exactly. The title is obvious clickbait but Microsoft is absolutely far and away the biggest contributor to predatory monetisation models and decline in gaming content/quality among the 3 console developers.

Let's not forget they also kicked off paid online for consoles.

 

[joe_zazen]

Just noticed resetera locked the thread. I do wonder just how much influence MS PR has over there.

 

[Bryank75]

Exactly. The title is obvious clickbait but Microsoft is absolutely far and away the biggest contributor to predatory monetisation models and decline in gaming content/quality among the 3 console developers.

Let's not forget they also kicked off paid online for consoles.

I always felt like they were very close to EA also, in fact I believe they have shared many executive level people.

 

[Outrunner]

I actually agree with Jim on this one. I mean Microsoft didn't ruin games for everyone, but their stubbornness in pushing the Games as a Service bullshit kinda bit them in the ass.

 

[KingdomHeartsFan]

I don't even want to click a video that such a troll/clickbait title.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Dude makes me laugh regardless what he goes on about.

I think too many people take him too seriously and thats what he thrives on.

 

[michaelius]

I've been saying this for years, but I get labeled as a Sony fanboy or whatever when I bring it up. Gonna actually give this one a watch.

Before watching, I hope he hits on:

• Paying for Online
• Horse armor/DLC originator
• RRoD
• Excessive bought timed exclusive BS
• Dropping off of making quality exclusives midway through X360 generation
• Ruining 1st party/purchased studios
• Sitting on many great IPs but only making sequels to 3-4 franchises

Yep exactly - Microsoft has been at the forefront of every anti-consumer revolution in video games in recent years.

And unlike Sony and Nintendo who produce great products which go against industry trends (aka single player games) Microsoft games have always been vessels to promote whatever was current corporate buzzword - paid online, microtransactions, games as service and now game pass.

 

[Dabaus]

From the same guy who said that he gives 2/10 to Gears 5 primarily because he hates Microsoft.

Wow did he give it a 2/5? As i was watching it sounded like he was genuinly pissed about something. I wonder if MS read him the riot act behind the scenes for his gears review and this was his rebuttal. In fact, thats what i now believe.

 

[Three]

I always felt like they were very close to EA also, in fact I believe they have shared many executive level people.

Not only have they shared executive level people but they have shared executive level business models namely loot boxes galore, and monthly subscription services. I still remember how everyone was going on about how EA access was the pinnacle of good value for $5 a month, look at EA games now. Sound familiar? Now it's $10 to $15 is good value.

 

[ethomaz]

I agree.

I already said before that MS is looking more and more like a 3rd-party publisher than platform holder and that is the final goal internally at MS... GamePass is clearly a move in that direction.

So nothing new from what Jim said... it took that much time to him realize that lol

 

[Javthusiast]

You mean you don't know the Eckbock One Eck?

 

[Dabaus]

Just noticed resetera locked the thread. I do wonder just how much influence MS PR has over there.

One thing ive noticed about resetera is that you are not allowed to criticize Xbox at all. Everything they do is amazing and theyre, at any moment about to be the industry leader. people get banned under the guise "console warring" for pointing out the pitiful position the xbox is in. Mat piscatela and Zhugex in particular are notorious xbox defenders. I think one of the reasons benji sales got ran off that cess pool was because he wouldnt tow the everything is perfect in xbox land line.

 

[Max_Po]

Well, MS's plans really fell apart after the backlash back in 2013.

After the somewhat success of x360 they were in the sheets with EA ...

Both MS's and EA's output has been nothing but trash this gen. MS assumed they were the future of Gaming with Peta-Moore and EA.

Imagine, EA's greed + MS's locking with Online Always....

 

[Geki-D]

Imagine actually believing this.

Some of the highest rated and best selling games of all time.

It's the lies people tell themselves to feel better. The "cinematic game" meme is nothing more than that. If Gears 5 was a PS exclusive, people would call it a cinematic walking simulator because at some points you have to walk, it has cut scenes and it's third person over-the-shoulder.

 

[Journey]

Well MS bought Rare and they haven't reached their greatest days since the N64.

You do realize that the days of the N64 were already over BEFORE the purchase, right? The main talent was already gone. Purchasing Rare, especially for the price they paid, was a mistake.

 

[Big-ass Ramp]

I'd say video games are good actually.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Imagine actually believing this.

Some of the highest rated and best selling games of all time.

Considering how mainstream gaming has become his post makes sense though. Games are indeed too safe these days and we haven't seen anything top the games that were being put out in the snes/gen/ps1/n64 eras. Doesn't help most of these high rated games are remakes of remakes either.

 

[Kagey K]

I'd say video games are good actually.

I wholeheartedly agree, it's too bad so many in the gaming media and community feel otherwise.

 

[GreenAlien]

A lot of people complained about there being no reason to buy an XBox anymore after MS announced their "Play Anywhere".

After watching this, it appears likely to me that using MS exclusive first party titles to sell their system wasn't the goal of MS to begin with. They wanted to make money with micro-transactions, using the titles to increase the value of the XB1 was only secondary...

 

[Outrunner]

A lot of people complained about there being no reason to buy an XBox anymore after MS announced their "Play Anywhere".

After watching this, it appears likely to me that using MS exclusive first party titles to sell their system wasn't the goal of MS to begin with. They wanted to make money with micro-transactions, using the titles to increase the value of the XB1 was only secondary...

Microsoft has been very clear about wanting Xbox to evolve from a physical platform to a digital one where they sell their services.

 

[ROMhack]

Genuine question, why does Jim Sterling get off being negative all the time?

 

[Horsemama1956]

It's believable when you consider how often they bungle PC gaming.

 

[newtypepilot]

The paying to play online was utter bullshit, and it's sad that the xbox fanboys bought into it. Now it's industry standard.

The thing is that Microsoft has never really cared for games other than that it's really just another medium to push for more subscription services.

 

[JLB]

Wow did he give it a 2/5? As i was watching it sounded like he was genuinly pissed about something. I wonder if MS read him the riot act behind the scenes for his gears review and this was his rebuttal. In fact, thats what i now believe.

2/10 lol, though he basically said that the game was great but his "unethical hate for MS" justifies the score.

 

[Kacho]

never forget

 

[JLB]

The paying to play online was utter bullshit, and it's sad that the xbox fanboys bought into it. Now it's industry standard.

The thing is that Microsoft has never really cared for games other than that it's really just another medium to push for more subscription services.

Its an industry standard because other companies embraces the model as well. Lets not spread that shit on Xbox. Or at least, to be consistent, blame Nintendo and Sony as well. No one forced anyone to follow that model.

 

[GHG]

Considering how mainstream gaming has become his post makes sense though. Games are indeed too safe these days and we haven't seen anything top the games that were being put out in the snes/gen/ps1/n64 eras. Doesn't help most of these high rated games are remakes of remakes either.

Yes because games like Gravity Rush, The Last Guardian, Concrete Genie, Detroit, Until Dawn, Dreams and Death Stranding are "safe".

Even Gran Turismo almost committed franchise suicide when it decided to go in a new direction. God of War was a reboot that took the IP in a whole new direction when it would have been easier to simply continue in the old direction.

Whether you like older games more over the current crop of games is simply a matter of taste, but that doesn't take anything away from some of the more contemporary highly rated games.

Memes aside, there's still plenty of variety on offer.

 

[ethomaz]

Microsoft has been very clear about wanting Xbox to evolve from a physical platform to a digital one where they sell their services.

Exactly... MS final goal is clearly to become a 3rd-party publisher available in all platforms.
To be fair they wanted to be the main 3rd-party gaming service in all platforms... aka GamePass.

 

[ROMhack]

It feels like not many people here watched it....

He starts out highlighting how Microsoft presided over the generation that really brought in micro-transactions, paid online and other heinous business practices.

He then goes on to highlight how they have continued to try and smuggle these shitty practices into every game they can..... even Gamepass is a vehicle for terrible business practices. There is a reason it is 1 dollar...... cause they are going to screw everyone the minute it makes sense.

Fair enough, I haven't watched it and like many others probably didn't because it's Jim Sterling.

Ironically though, I have the same opinion as Jim on this. I think Microsoft's insistence to have an always-online console at the start of this generation has actually been met through a lot of indirect demands on the player. We had a thread yesterday about Xbox One's new UI and it reminded me that the console is very limited if you aren't connected through the Internet. You're met with a lot of adverts for features that can only be accessed if you're online. Sony apply a similar concept, which is to say that both consoles use nudges to get you to be do something within their online ecosystem. Of course you shouldn't need these to enjoy videogames but the architecture is designed so that you feel like you need to be online to get the best out of them. We're so used to it by know that it doesn't seem particularly egregious but it's very different to the last generation if you compare. Heck, Sony has a share button on their controller for the same purpose.

In-game monetisation and Game Pass are similar concepts - both designed to keep the player immersed in Microsoft's online ecosystem. I think it's fair to say we'll only see a continuation of similar practices next generation as both Microsoft and Sony, as well as a slew of big name publishers, tend to profit from it.

To be more positive though, it doesn't mean the games will suffer inherently. Once you're in them and playing they're mostly fine.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Yes because games like Gravity Rush, The Last Guardian, Concrete Genie, Detroit, Until Dawn, Dreams and Death Stranding are "safe".

Even Gran Turismo almost committed franchise suicide when it decided to go in a new direction. God of War was a reboot that took the IP in a whole new direction when it would have been easier to simply continue in the old direction.

None of those games sold. The Last Guardian was a ps3 game and was mostly forgotten by everybody. All of the other games you mentioned play more like movies and we've had those games before. It is literally what people that don't play videogames will play. Gravity Rush isn't for everybody but I guess it is an ok game and not safe? (if you aren't into Japanese games which isn't so niche anymore)

GT was a fucking masterpiece a few generations ago so I don't know why you'd bring that up when trying to prove there are better games now. Or GoW.

Whether you like older games more over the current crop of games is simply a matter of taste, but that doesn't take anything away from some of the more contemporary highly rated games.

You think scores matter? Have you SEEN a modern review? Or the current state of videogame reviewers and similar sites?

He isn't wrong, while I enjoyed quite a few games this gen it has been pretty stale outside your random JPN game.

 

[DanielsM]

Exactly... MS final goal is clearly to become a 3rd-party publisher available in all platforms.
To be fair they wanted to be the main 3rd-party gaming service in all platforms... aka GamePass.

I look at it slightly different, but similar to you.

- Microsoft could (if they release good games) have a future as a 3rd party developer/publisher on multi-platforms
- Microsoft wishes and desires to be the middleman as far as delivery services i.e. game pass, streaming, middleware, - I see limited future here

 

[Rien]

I love Jim. Don’t really care about the subject or agreeing with him but the way he talks.. his flow.. Dunno. I love it.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Genuine question, why does Jim Sterling get off being negative all the time?

$

 

[ROMhack]

I love Jim. Don’t really care about the subject or agreeing with him but the way he talks.. his flow.. Dunno. I love it.

Yeah, it's easy to be immersed when people are passionate. I don't like JS much but it's definitely something that works in his favour.

 

[The Alien]

Not counting this comment, I wont justify his dumb opinion with a comment.

 

[raduque]

He got me with Count Duckula.

... god dammit.

 

[Xenon]

Jim is a social and gaming troll and clicks are his toll.

 

[SantaC]

One thing ive noticed about resetera is that you are not allowed to criticize Xbox at all. Everything they do is amazing and theyre, at any moment about to be the industry leader. people get banned under the guise "console warring" for pointing out the pitiful position the xbox is in. Mat piscatela and Zhugex in particular are notorious xbox defenders. I think one of the reasons benji sales got ran off that cess pool was because he wouldnt tow the everything is perfect in xbox land line.

Resetera is garbage. There I said it.