FranXico
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In normal operation, 90W. Rest mode, 10 or 11W (if charging controllers).
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I'll always take 6W over 0.5W, especially if the custom SSD is built-in with no upgrade option.
Flash memory - Wikipedia
100-1000 write cycles for QLC (the cheapest and densest variant of NAND). It's awfully low to waste it for suspend to disk, isn't it?
DRAM/SRAM allow for unlimited writes.
Does Sony seriously want to deal with bricked consoles and disgruntled consumers? I mean, I get the PR aspect of 0.5W ("saving the planet" is a noble goal), but it's not worth the trade-off for me.
SonGoku
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writes are inevitable to install games thoughI'll always take 6W over 0.5W, especially if the custom SSD is built-in with no upgrade option.
Flash memory - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
100-1000 write cycles for QLC (the cheapest and densest variant of NAND). It's awfully low to waste it for suspend to disk, isn't it?
DRAM/SRAM allow for unlimited writes.
Does Sony seriously want to deal with bricked consoles and disgruntled consumers? I mean, I get the PR aspect of 0.5W ("saving the planet" is a noble goal), but it's not worth the trade-off for me.
Negotiator
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Yeah, but it's far less frequent. Suspending a game you play on a daily basis is going to add up (16-32GB * 365 days * 5-10 years).
Not to mention that we will have the option of USB HDDs, whether it's for cold storage or not. I reckon games will have appropriate flagging depending on their requirements.
Cross-gen AAA games and indies should play just fine off an external HDD, while true next-gen games written specifically around the SSD baseline (no door/elevator scenes to mask loading times) will be flagged to require SSD storage.
Negotiator
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Offloading CPU tasks to the (GP)GPU is not going anywhere. Why? Because there's a historical, long-term trend that proves it again and again.
Remember when nVidia had released GeForce 256? 3Dfx used to be the top dog back then. They kept saying "hardware T&L is a fad, you only need a faster CPU to calculate matrices faster".
And where's 3Dfx now? That's exactly my point.
Adapt or perish.Yes, it is. In fact, the GCN ISA has been designed that way.
When people say that GCN is less efficient than Maxwell/Pascal, they mean there's only 70% of GPU occupancy in GCN vs 90% in nVidia. So nVidia is more efficient from the get-go. That doesn't mean that GCN cannot surpass 90% with proper coding.
That means there's 30% of untapped potential in the GPU pipelines that you can take advantage of via Asynchronous Compute. You're not really affecting gfx performance (traditional pixel/vertex shaders) when you're able to fill the 30% with compute tasks. GCN is designed to work that way.
nVidia Kepler also had something similar:
It's basically the equivalent of HyperThreading that we've had since the Pentium 4 era. Inside a modern CPU there are lots of pipelines that are not working to their fullest capacity. AMD even ponders the possibility of offering 4-way SMT in future Zen CPUs.
For reference, modern GPUs offer 8-10x way HT. They perform exceptionally well when you fill them with lots of threads. Even Turing gets serious performance benefits with Async compute shaders.
TL;DR: if games like Uncharted 4, Gears 5 (raytracing running via Async), God of War, Spiderman, DOOM 2016 have not convinced you about the immense benefits of GPGPU compute, then I don't know what else will convince you.
xool
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Good (literal) analogy
My assumption was the gains in RDNA over old GCN are mostly due to shifitng this number towards Nvidia level of occupancy -- but that's just me speculating.
I wonder what the deal is with bandwidth (and the GPUs) local memory/register array when using GPUcompute ..
Darius87
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The RDNA architecture introduces a new scheduling and quality-of-service feature known as Asynchronous Compute Tunneling that enables compute and graphics workloads to co-exist harmoniously on GPUs. In normal operation, many different types of shaders will execute on the RDNA compute unit and make forward progress. However, at times one task can become far more latency sensitive than other work. In prior generations, the command processor could prioritize compute shaders and reduce the resources available for graphics shaders. As Figure 5 illustrates, the RDNA architecture can completely suspend execution of shaders, freeing up all compute units for a high-priority task. This scheduling capability is crucial to ensure seamless experiences with the most latency sensitive applications such as realistic audio and virtual reality.
xool
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Mmh intersting - sounds a bit like thread priority
DeepEnigma
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I think that is a given.
FrostyJ93
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Plus sony has talked about a more apple approach. Shortish reveal to release windows. I can see April for the hardware reveal. Heck switch was shown like 4.5 months before launch.
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mckmas8808
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Nah! They will at least give us at least 6 months before release. 6 months has to be a minimum.
FrostyJ93
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Think we might get somethiing on scarlett at X019?
mckmas8808
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When is X019?
FrostyJ93
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Novemebr 8th this year.
sonomamashine
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DeepEnigma
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sonomamashine
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AMD GPU Rumors: Navi 12 'Radeon RX 5800 Series' With 256-bit Bus & Navi 14 'Radeon RX 5600 Series' With 128-bit Bus
There's a whole bunch of new information for AMD's upcoming Navi based Radeon RX series that would feature the Navi 12 and Navi 14 GPUs.
wccftech.com
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xool
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AMD GPU Rumors: Navi 12 'Radeon RX 5800 Series' With 256-bit Bus & Navi 14 'Radeon RX 5600 Series' With 128-bit Bus
There's a whole bunch of new information for AMD's upcoming Navi based Radeon RX series that would feature the Navi 12 and Navi 14 GPUs.
So summing up the article's content - I annoted the useful table :
There's a better source on the RX5600 https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3079033/amd-radeon-rx-5600-leak - max 24 CUs - Komachi leak (mmh actually the same amount of information as in https://wccftech.com/amd-navi-14-rx-5600-series-gpu-leaked-24-cus-1536-sps-1900mhz/ .. that was July - well if there's no news just reprint old news )
[edit] is anyone expecting better than 5700/5700XT performance next gen (raytrace extras excluded ?)
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LordOfChaos
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Great post. Though on this, I've been speaking to some peeps in the know that seem to think this is a pesky rumor that keeps springing up and won't die - AMD's backend is already completely occupied with 2-way SMT, you'd also have to substantially beef up the TLB and other buffers to avoid loss from that much resource scheduling.
Now, Power8 has offered that for years, so it's possible, but at the time that only eked out wins in a few areas against Intel, and anyways there's differences between optimizing for consumer code and massive enterprise code. At any rate you'd end up with a substantially more beefed up architecture.
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sonomamashine
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Source info:So summing up the article's content - I annoted the useful table :
There's a better source on the RX5600 https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3079033/amd-radeon-rx-5600-leak - max 24 CUs - Komachi leak (mmh actually the same amount of information as in https://wccftech.com/amd-navi-14-rx-5600-series-gpu-leaked-24-cus-1536-sps-1900mhz/ .. that was July - well if there's no news just reprint old news )
[edit] is anyone expecting better than 5700/5700XT performance next gen (raytrace extras excluded ?)
Based on the specifications posted by 3DCenter, the GPU could offer 30 to 50% more stream processors than Navi 10 which maxes out at 2560 SPs. If that ends up being the case then we can see a core count similar to the RX Vega 56. Its also stated that the card would retain a 256-bit bus interface and would utilize GDDR6 memory but we can possibly see faster memory clocks resulting in higher bandwidth.
However, the source doesn’t rule out the possibility of getting HBM2 memory alongside Navi 12.
yurinka
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I don't see why MS would reveal their console 1 year before its release.
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LordOfChaos
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Panos on stage with a semicustom Ryzen Surface Laptop 3 ("Custom GPU cores"?), not sure if it's the first mobile AMD 7nm part or not...
TeamGhobad
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because of power consumption and die space it looks like the ps5 and nexbox will go with a navi 10 variant.
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Fake
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Microsoft Takes Pole Position in Laptops based ... | Community
Introducing the AMD Ryzen 5 and AMD Ryzen 7 Microsoft Surface Edition Processors: A New Level of Responsiveness and Speed in an Ultra-Slim Design We are
community.amd.com
LordOfChaos
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12nm, alas. I had a faint hope that they had struck a launch exclusive deal for the first 7nm AMD mobile parts, but it's still cool that AMD got in a surface.
Fake
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Is 'custom' hardware means nothing? Its not like they gonna put a original size desktop GPU inside.because of power consumption and die space it looks like the ps5 and nexbox will go with a navi 10 variant.
alabtrosMyster
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Were you born when they revealed the xbox one x?
LordOfChaos
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While Microsoft announced the basic specs for Project Scarlett, it left us confused as to why we had to wait another year for the console’s release. I posited that one reason the console wouldn’t arrive until 2020 was that AMD was slow to get ray tracing support onto Navi, its next-generation graphics platform that will be the basis for both Sony and Microsoft’s future consoles. In the message, the tipster said, “Correct that AMD Navi v late.”
So I did some poking around because the tipster made curious claims about the speed of the devices, the quality of their graphics, and even what kind of cameras they’d use for streaming. We typically wouldn’t run a story with a source who won’t confirm their identity. But, again, this one had something other tipsters do not: a photograph of a device. And not just any photo. Their photo looks just like official Sony illustrations pulled from a registry on a government website. The illustrations are rumoured to be mockups of a pre-production PS5, and they circulated widely after their discovery in August. Our tipster sent us the photo in June. (In the interest of protecting our tipster, we won’t post the photos here.)
www.gizmodo.com.au
So I did some poking around because the tipster made curious claims about the speed of the devices, the quality of their graphics, and even what kind of cameras they’d use for streaming. We typically wouldn’t run a story with a source who won’t confirm their identity. But, again, this one had something other tipsters do not: a photograph of a device. And not just any photo. Their photo looks just like official Sony illustrations pulled from a registry on a government website. The illustrations are rumoured to be mockups of a pre-production PS5, and they circulated widely after their discovery in August. Our tipster sent us the photo in June. (In the interest of protecting our tipster, we won’t post the photos here.)
A Story About Two Tiny, Fuzzy Photos Of A 'PlayStation 5 Prototype'
Short of the annual iPhone, few future devices get fans chatting like the next generation of consoles from Sony and Microsoft. Both companies have teased what’s next recently — with Sony revealing some details about the PlayStation 5 in April, and Microsoft showing off a flashy video teasing...
www.gizmodo.com.au
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Fake
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xool
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A Story About Two Tiny, Fuzzy Photos Of A 'PlayStation 5 Prototype'
Short of the annual iPhone, few future devices get fans chatting like the next generation of consoles from Sony and Microsoft. Both companies have teased what’s next recently — with Sony revealing some details about the PlayStation 5 in April, and Microsoft showing off a flashy video teasing...
also here https://www.neogaf.com/threads/ps5-devkit-name-nextbox-camera-a-huge-priority.1504789
Seriously fuck these Gizmondo clown.
Got pics - doesn't print them
Got tech info - doesn't print it
Whole think is just a clickbait pile of nothing that says we got a leak, can't tell you, something camera something.
Then there's this :
So MS just said "fake" on the single point gizmodo felt able to reveal? Or did they get a spoof MS call.. ? wtf. They usually "don't comment" .. ? maybe they got shook by the prospect of bad "camera spy" publicity after kinect.
Also love the professionalism of not even spellchecking the update. Clowns
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Imtjnotu
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Pretty much clickshit. Over it at this point
mckmas8808
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Oh boo! I was hoping for 7nm too.
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Rumour: PS5 Will Represent the Biggest Jump in Computing Power of Any Console Generation
"Prospero" leaked
www.pushsquare.com
14TF Kaiju incoming?
Imtjnotu
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With MS big pushbfor ai and neural computing in pray sony doesn't get left behind. They really should be using ai to help in any way possible. Sony already uses it heavy in their photography branchRumour: PS5 Will Represent the Biggest Jump in Computing Power of Any Console Generation
"Prospero" leaked
14TF Kaiju incoming?
Insane Metal
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LOL noRumour: PS5 Will Represent the Biggest Jump in Computing Power of Any Console Generation
"Prospero" leaked
14TF Kaiju incoming?
Little Chicken
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The AI Chip in Surface Pro X, along with Phil's comment at E3 pretty much confirms inclusion in Scarlet. Could be very interesting.
Mass Shift
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Xbox console with both RT and A.I. cores? That WOULD be interesting.
Fake
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The last report from Richard was about how devs are quite happy with PS5 devkit in comparison with nextbox devkit.
IMO both will get similar or near specs, but the secret saurce from both will make the difference.
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LordOfChaos
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Fake
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'Video'. Gonna look right now.
Fake
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27:58
Was hard to find. Had to listen almost every DF direct video, but here we are.
edit: There is no mention of they're more happy than nextbox. My bad. Rich just don't make any mention of nextbox.
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LordOfChaos
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Little Chicken
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