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Was going to ask what the heck is going on but holy shit Nintendo Switch is going nuts this month !!!!!

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Xbox One 50,0000 Switch 590,000 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[captainraincoat]

People have some short memories if they dont think people will switch console brands....lets look at the ps3

Ps2 was arguably one of the best consoles of all time due to its stellar 1st party lineup....who would of thought people would be so quick to jump off the PlayStation due to Microsoft 360......the 360 did not even have a really strong lineup at the start but as the ps3 was overpriced and had worse versions of third party games people flocked to it completely ignoring the possible 1st party games they were going to miss out on

It took a whole console generation for Sony to catch up and that's even with rrod scandals and the Sony console being in double the territories of the 360

The next gen will come down to whoever gets out the gate first with the best prices gaming focused console imo

No vr.....no gimmick just a great gaming console

 

[Three]

Fortnight , Minecraft , Roblox & GTAV are the biggest games of this decade the younger generation really don't care about graphics that much.

GTAV has good graphics at least.

People have some short memories if they dont think people will switch console brands....lets look at the ps3

Ps2 was arguably one of the best consoles of all time due to its stellar 1st party lineup....who would of thought people would be so quick to jump off the PlayStation due to Microsoft 360......the 360 did not even have a really strong lineup at the start but as the ps3 was overpriced and had worse versions of third party games people flocked to it completely ignoring the possible 1st party games they were going to miss out on

It took a whole console generation for Sony to catch up and that's even with rrod scandals and the Sony console being in double the territories of the 360

The next gen will come down to whoever gets out the gate first with the best prices gaming focused console imo

No vr.....no gimmick just a great gaming console

The PS3 outsold the 360 every year. The 360 came out a year earlier though. The 360 had games like Mass effect and Bioshock which people were calling amazing games. Kinect kept 360 sales going during its later years. What kept PS3 sales going were actually good first party games support during its later life. Finally, VR is not a gimmick.

 

[Dane]

The PS3 had a catch up because of two things, one, its brand massive recognition, and first party. Also, it should be remembered that Europe was responsible for almost half of the units IIRC, it even surpassed the 360 two and half years later, when it was still more expensive, plus the Japanese market, althrough it was significant downplayed compared to the PS2.

It would be nearly impossible (to not say impossible) to have the PS3 being a total failure, even in a worst case scenario, if Europe followed the same steps as US and UK with the X360, it would still have sold decently.

 

[The_Mike]

People have some short memories if they dont think people will switch console brands....lets look at the ps3

Ps2 was arguably one of the best consoles of all time due to its stellar 1st party lineup....who would of thought people would be so quick to jump off the PlayStation due to Microsoft 360......the 360 did not even have a really strong lineup at the start but as the ps3 was overpriced and had worse versions of third party games people flocked to it completely ignoring the possible 1st party games they were going to miss out on

It took a whole console generation for Sony to catch up and that's even with rrod scandals and the Sony console being in double the territories of the 360

The next gen will come down to whoever gets out the gate first with the best prices gaming focused console imo

No vr.....no gimmick just a great gaming console

Back in the PS2 days there weren't internet on the console, having a user in a infrastructure, online friends and digital purchases which can be used on the next generation (at least for Xbox users). That's a huge difference and can't really be compared.

Although many Xbox users jumped from x360 to PS4. I just don't see many go the other way around. Sony has more brand loyalty users than Microsoft.

Hold onto your butts.



MS will likely be just as expensive though.

Hopefully without a fucking camera that makes the price high for all the wrong reasons.

 

[onQ123]

Back in the PS2 days there weren't internet on the console, having a user in a infrastructure, online friends and digital purchases which can be used on the next generation (at least for Xbox users). That's a huge difference and can't really be compared.

Although many Xbox users jumped from x360 to PS4. I just don't see many go the other way around. Sony has more brand loyalty users than Microsoft.



Hopefully without a fucking camera that makes the price high for all the wrong reasons.

A camera would not push the price up by much , cameras are everywhere & in all types of devices what make you think that a camera would push the price up on PS5 in 2020?

 

[Trogdor1123]

Xbox is doing fine. I'm thinking of jumping ship next gen to them. Let's see where the value falls.

 

[captainraincoat]

GTAV has good graphics at least.

The PS3 outsold the 360 every year. The 360 came out a year earlier though. The 360 had games like Mass effect and Bioshock which people were calling amazing games. Kinect kept 360 sales going during its later years. What kept PS3 sales going were actually good first party games support during its later life. Finally, VR is not a gimmick.

First half of the generation The 360 trounced the ps3.....but as i said,ps3 was in more territories and ms had it's pr disaster with the rrod and Sony eventually came back into relevance again with revised and cheaper ps3s and a better 1st party output

Even after all this the ps3 topped out at 87 million and the 360 at 84.....this coming from a console that led on from the ps2 and established in many more countries than the 360 which didn't even have much of a following in it's 1st gen....hardly a great win and one which proves the point about releasing something that consumers don't want or will pay for.

Ms learned this lesson with the xb1 and are still playing catchup

Vr is still a gimmick which if sony put all their chips in with ps5...it's gonna fail spectacularly to the simple fact that there is still a huge percentage of the population that can't view 3d or use vr due to sickness and to do it well you need expensive hardware...which adds cost which screams $599 $699 price points for something that most people don't want

Until they work out how to come up with a counter for the brains natural balance and motion triggers games will continue to be gimmick like experiences as anything else will simply not be able to be experienced by the mass market.

 

[DForce]

People have some short memories if they dont think people will switch console brands....lets look at the ps3

Ps2 was arguably one of the best consoles of all time due to its stellar 1st party lineup....who would of thought people would be so quick to jump off the PlayStation due to Microsoft 360......the 360 did not even have a really strong lineup at the start but as the ps3 was overpriced and had worse versions of third party games people flocked to it completely ignoring the possible 1st party games they were going to miss out on

It took a whole console generation for Sony to catch up and that's even with rrod scandals and the Sony console being in double the territories of the 360

The next gen will come down to whoever gets out the gate first with the best prices gaming focused console imo

No vr.....no gimmick just a great gaming console

PlayStation launched at $499 - $599, and that played a major role in people switching brands to the 360.

Around the time Sony released the PlayStation 3 slim, that's when they started to make a comeback.

Microsoft reduced the price of the Xbox One by removing the Kinect and giving you 2-3 games, but they were unable to make similar come back as the PlayStation 3 last generation.

It seems like people who "switched" were just waiting to go back to the PlayStation platform.

Sony likely learned from their mistakes and I don't see them making the same decisions next generation.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

PlayStation launched at $499 - $599, and that played a major role in people switching brands to the 360.

Around the time Sony released the PlayStation 3 slim, that's when they started to make a comeback.

Microsoft reduced the price of the Xbox One by removing the Kinect and giving you 2-3 games, but they were unable to make similar come back as the PlayStation 3 last generation.

It seems like people who "switched" were just waiting to go back to the PlayStation platform.

Sony likely learned from their mistakes and I don't see them making the same decisions next generation.

So what it shows is Sony's loyalty from the PS2 era didn't make a big comeback until Slim at $299 came out where both 360 and PS3 were the same price.

In other words, the power of Sony's brand between PS2 dominance and same as 360 at 85-90 million units was due to a whopping $100-200 price difference.

Going from 150 million units destroying all competitors from XBox to GC to DC down to 85-90 million is a disaster.

 

[DForce]

So what it shows is Sony's loyalty from the PS2 era didn't make a big comeback until Slim at $299 came out where both 360 and PS3 were the same price.

In other words, the power of Sony's brand between PS2 dominance and same as 360 at 85-90 million units was due to a whopping $100-200 price difference.

Going from 150 million units destroying all competitors from XBox to GC to DC down to 85-90 million is a disaster.

360 launched a year before the PS3

The price makes a huge difference.

Wii was also a factor, so dominating that many consoles on the market was not easy.

 

[bumleforce]

People said the same thing about Nintendo.
Ps is better than n64. Nintendo should go third party

Ps2 is better than gamecube Nintendo should go third party
Wii u is the worst system ever nintendo should go third party.

Nintendo is fine. Xbox is fine. Most conaole players dont play on pc and if you want the best graphics great games like like halo gears forza ori Quantam break. U go xbox. Gamepass is great.

Again Sony is fine
Nintendo is fine.
Xbox is fine.

Stop the fanboy stuff.

I bought all 3 systems because I like great games. All 3 of these systems have great exclusives. Pc does not.

 

[BusierDonkey]

People said the same thing about Nintendo.
Ps is better than n64. Nintendo should go third party

Ps2 is better than gamecube Nintendo should go third party
Wii u is the worst system ever nintendo should go third party.

Nintendo is fine. Xbox is fine. Most conaole players dont play on pc and if you want the best graphics great games like like halo gears forza ori Quantam break. U go xbox. Gamepass is great.

Again Sony is fine
Nintendo is fine.
Xbox is fine.

Stop the fanboy stuff.

I bought all 3 systems because I like great games. All 3 of these systems have great exclusives. Pc does not.

If I've learned anything in my 40 years on this planet, it's that you are not allowed to like more than one thing.

 

[Deleted member 738976]

People said the same thing about Nintendo.
Ps is better than n64. Nintendo should go third party

Ps2 is better than gamecube Nintendo should go third party
Wii u is the worst system ever nintendo should go third party.

Nintendo is fine. Xbox is fine. Most conaole players dont play on pc and if you want the best graphics great games like like halo gears forza ori Quantam break. U go xbox. Gamepass is great.

Again Sony is fine
Nintendo is fine.
Xbox is fine.

Stop the fanboy stuff.

I bought all 3 systems because I like great games. All 3 of these systems have great exclusives. Pc does not.

 

[Texas Pride]

Xbox Done...


Not hyperbole. Blood n blood out and these motherfuckers ain't ever been all in. Pack it up.

 

[Zannegan]

People said the same thing about Nintendo.
Ps is better than n64. Nintendo should go third party

Ps2 is better than gamecube Nintendo should go third party
Wii u is the worst system ever nintendo should go third party.

Nintendo is fine. Xbox is fine. Most conaole players dont play on pc and if you want the best graphics great games like like halo gears forza ori Quantam break. U go xbox. Gamepass is great.

Again Sony is fine
Nintendo is fine.
Xbox is fine.

Stop the fanboy stuff.

I bought all 3 systems because I like great games. All 3 of these systems have great exclusives. Pc does not.

I was with you right until that last line. Pretty sure PC has more exclusives than the other three consoles combined (whether they're good or not is subjective I guess). Hell, they practically have exclusive genres.

And whether or not "most people" play on PC (and if you look at subscription numbers, you're wrong there too) doesn't change the fact that PC has a much higher graphical ceiling than anything else on the market. You want the best graphics you go PC. Full stop. In fact, you want the best graphics while playing XBox exclusives, you still go PC.

I agree that all three are fine and that this "concern" for the XBox brand sounds more like wishful thinking, but there's no reason to deny the facts or throw PC under the bus to try and reinforce your point.

*NOTE: I don't own a gaming PC*

 

[DeepEnigma]

Xbox Done...


Not hyperbole. Blood n blood out and these motherfuckers ain't ever been all in. Pack it up.

Vatos locos, forever!

 

[Memorabilia]

I still think they should ditch the Xbox brand name. It's poisoned too much at this point.

MS Should start fresh with a new naming system. They could really use it as a good marketing thing. A brand new machine and brand new brand.

Ditching the Xbox brand is truly one of the dumbest ideas I've heard in quite some time.

 

[MeatSafeMurderer]

It took a whole console generation for Sony to catch up and that's even with rrod scandals

The RROD and YLOD scandals kinda canceled each other out. Around the same time NVIDIA's bumpgate was also happening. The defects were all one and the same.
Twas a bad time to be a GPU...unless you were an ATI GPU that wasn't destined for an Xbox 360...those were fine.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

The RROD and YLOD scandals kinda canceled each other out. Around the same time NVIDIA's bumpgate was also happening. The defects were all one and the same.
Twas a bad time to be a GPU...unless you were an ATI GPU that wasn't destined for an Xbox 360...those were fine.

The YLOD happened to far less people and was far less of a big deal. RROD absolutely was the bigger scandal, they do not cancel each other out.

 

[The Scrivener]

onQ123 is right about Xbox

 

[Dane]

The RROD and YLOD scandals kinda canceled each other out. Around the same time NVIDIA's bumpgate was also happening. The defects were all one and the same.
Twas a bad time to be a GPU...unless you were an ATI GPU that wasn't destined for an Xbox 360...those were fine.

Lil trivia: The reason why there are lots of defective PS3 and X360 units is because EU banned lead soldering around 2004, thus all of the stuff now had to be lead free, the Xbox was the one who suffered the most as Microsoft engineering wasn't ready for that, in fact, some of the reballed units with lead were more reliable than factory ones. The PS3 had issues with the initial batch, and then, around three years later, the number of Ylod fat PS3 skyrocketed.

 

[DeepEnigma]

onQ123 is right about Xbox

I understood this reference.

 

[Bogroll]

The YLOD happened to far less people and was far less of a big deal. RROD absolutely was the bigger scandal, they do not cancel each other out.

If YLOD was as big as RROD, PLaystation or even Sony may have been no more.

 

[MeatSafeMurderer]

Lil trivia: The reason why there are lots of defective PS3 and X360 units is because EU banned lead soldering around 2004, thus all of the stuff now had to be lead free, the Xbox was the one who suffered the most as Microsoft engineering wasn't ready for that, in fact, some of the reballed units with lead were more reliable than factory ones. The PS3 had issues with the initial batch, and then, around three years later, the number of Ylod fat PS3 skyrocketed.

The problem is the bumps between the die and substrate. That's why it's called "bumpgate" and not "ballgate". The reason reballing "fixes" it is that in the process of melting the solder balls you also end up reflowing the cracked bumps. You can achieve the exact same thing without removing the GPU. In both cases however they're bandaids on ticking time bombs. The only real fix is to replace the entire GPU package with one that isn't defective.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

If YLOD was as big as RROD, PLaystation or even Sony may have been no more.

That's a good point, the amount of money Microsoft has to throw around helped them through some real troubled times.

 

[phil_t98]

I dont see scrlet doing much better.
People with a ps4 will buy a ps5 and thats it.

Did people with a 360 buy and xbox1?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Did people with a 360 buy and xbox1?

Times are a little different now with the ecosystem conditioning from cell phones trickled down to consoles.

I guess we will see.

 

[captainraincoat]

The RROD and YLOD scandals kinda canceled each other out. Around the same time NVIDIA's bumpgate was also happening. The defects were all one and the same.
Twas a bad time to be a GPU...unless you were an ATI GPU that wasn't destined for an Xbox 360...those were fine.

1st gen ps3s were definitely prone to the ylod but they had nothing on the original 360s.....I dont know anyone that still had a launch unit that didn't rrod

It's funny....this gen in terms of build quality ms has by far exceeded in the build quality department compared to the competition....Hopefully the trend continues and Sony take a leaf from them and design a quite well built console and a solid controller

 

[bumleforce]

By the way. Didnt mean to bash pc there. I use to game only on pc then switched to consoles. They are all good. I'm not the biggeat fan of a lot of nintendos games. Or policies. I still own a switch. I'm gonna try stadia. I think we are fortanite or at least I am to have more good games than time. Enjoy what you play on.

 

[TUROK]

Confusing internet buzz with general opinion is a silly thing, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Xbox still hanging on in third place perpetually, as long as they keep pumping out consoles anyway.

Me, my backlog is too big to even think about next gen right now, but Xbox this gen underwhelmed the hell out of me. It's not a bad console in the least, but I would have been just fine with only a PS4. Oh well, maybe I'll just go strictly PC this next gen. Then again, Sony will probably entice me with something.

Hell, maybe MS will too... But I ain't holding my breath.

 

[BadSector]

At least the next Xbox won't have a 4K camera after all...

 

[Kagey K]

Confusing internet buzz with general opinion is a silly thing, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Xbox still hanging on in third place perpetually, as long as they keep pumping out consoles anyway.

Me, my backlog is too big to even think about next gen right now, but Xbox this gen underwhelmed the hell out of me. It's not a bad console in the least, but I would have been just fine with only a PS4. Oh well, maybe I'll just go strictly PC this next gen. Then again, Sony will probably entice me with something.

Hell, maybe MS will too... But I ain't holding my breath.

As gaming gets more consolidated PC/PS/Xbox/Nintendo is going to mean a lot less.
People like to act like it’s not happening under our noses, but it is.

COD mobile just did more in one weekend then most of the exclusives did combined over years.

If these companies aren’t looking out or looking for a way forward they are going to find themselves left behind rather quickly.
I get that rule doesn’t apply to us on a gaming forum, but for the rest of the world....

 

[TUROK]

As gaming gets more consolidated PC/PS/Xbox/Nintendo is going to mean a lot less.
People like to act like it’s not happening under our noses, but it is.

COD mobile just did more in one weekend then most of the exclusives did combined over years.

If these companies aren’t looking out or looking for a way forward they are going to find themselves left behind rather quickly.
I get that rule doesn’t apply to us on a gaming forum, but for the rest of the world....

I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case. I mean, you can play God of War "on" a PC now, with PS Now. Don't really know if the exclusive game can be played forever.

 

[Zannegan]

I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case. I mean, you can play God of War "on" a PC now, with PS Now. Don't really know if the exclusive game can be played forever.

The hardware might not have exclusives, but platforms always will. Look at Amazon Prime, Hulu, Netflix and now Disney. They'll stream on any hardware, but the services all want your subs, so they buy or make exclusive content. Whether the future is streaming or local, platform-agnostic hardware (or both), exclusives will always, always be a thing.

 

[TUROK]

The hardware might not have exclusives, but platforms always will. Look at Amazon Prime, Hulu, Netflix and now Disney. They'll stream on any hardware, but the services all want your subs, so they buy or make exclusive content. Whether the future is streaming or local, platform-agnostic hardware (or both), exclusives will always, always be a thing.

Yeah, definitely, I was thinking more in terms of hardware. Like, you don't have to buy 3 different types of video players for movies. With video games it makes more sense since the hardware dictates what sort of experience you're getting, but the lines are blurring.

 

[Kagey K]

The hardware might not have exclusives, but platforms always will. Look at Amazon Prime, Hulu, Netflix and now Disney. They'll stream on any hardware, but the services all want your subs, so they buy or make exclusive content. Whether the future is streaming or local, platform-agnostic hardware (or both), exclusives will always, always be a thing.

I don’t think anyone said otherwise. But are you going to subscribe to a streaming service offering you 2 exclusives a year? Or the ones where all the other games are?
How do you you make it more enticing other then your exclusives?

 

[Kagey K]

Yeah, definitely, I was thinking more in terms of hardware. Like, you don't have to buy 3 different types of video players for movies. With video games it makes more sense since the hardware dictates what sort of experience you're getting, but the lines are blurring.

When I was a kid I wanted the one console platform, as I got older and saw that different companies can bring different things I realized that the one platform approach would be folly and actually hold all of gaming back.

 

[Zannegan]

I don’t think anyone said otherwise. But are you going to subscribe to a streaming service offering you 2 exclusives a year? Or the ones where all the other games are?
How do you you make it more enticing other then your exclusives?

Oh, I'm not against exclusives, especially those funded from the start by the host company. I was just pointing out that the more things change, the more they stay the same (in some ways anyway).

 

[Guardian's Light]

At this point, although I like Microsoft consoles ( I only had 360, but friggin' loved it so much), from my pov, no one could stop Sony and ps4 - 5
In an hypotetical scenario, I'd say N and M$ should cooperate and make a Switch Xbox, fusing the typical Microsoft powerhouse with Nintendo fantasy and brands
And honestly, trying to imagine an in incredibly powerful console where I can play Mario, Pokémon, as well as Halo and Perfect Dark, make me... Lol

 

[Psykodad]

Lately?

It's been like that ever since the Xbox One reveal. It's just undeniable at this point.

 

[Three]

First half of the generation The 360 trounced the ps3.....but as i said,ps3 was in more territories and ms had it's pr disaster with the rrod and Sony eventually came back into relevance again with revised and cheaper ps3s and a better 1st party output

Even after all this the ps3 topped out at 87 million and the 360 at 84.....this coming from a console that led on from the ps2 and established in many more countries than the 360 which didn't even have much of a following in it's 1st gen....hardly a great win and one which proves the point about releasing something that consumers don't want or will pay for.

But this isn't true. It didn't trounce it, PS3 was selling more in every territory 360 was available in except the US and UK.

It was also helped by the fact that it launched a year early and MS refused crossplay. People were buying 360s to play CoD with their friends. The US actually was buying more original phat xbox than PS2 too before MS killed support for it so it had the following in the territory 360 succeeded in, they bought Bungie and Halo was huge.

PS4 was back to status quo. The 360 also died a lot faster just as the One is but they went after the Wii crowd with Kinect during the later part of the 360 with success

I agree that things can change but they didn't change (but not really change) for the reason you are thinking. It wasn't just a bunch of people moving consoles willy nilly. During the 360 era in the later years it was the wii crowd who were new and the really early years those who didn't have a choice because nothing was out yet and they wanted to play with their friends.

 

[Achillias]

You're an idiot TS. Get out of your delusional bubble. Microsoft and Xbox are just doing fine with 50 mil active subs.

 

[The_Mike]

A camera would not push the price up by much , cameras are everywhere & in all types of devices what make you think that a camera would push the price up on PS5 in 2020?

According to Microsoft, as I remember, had the Xbox one more expensive in the beginning because of Kinect.

 

[T-Cake]

The only thing I'd be worried about is if Xbox does have a rocky gen again, how long do they leave Xbox Live running for? I hope it's safe for at least another 15 years.

 

[onQ123]

According to Microsoft, as I remember, had the Xbox one more expensive in the beginning because of Kinect.

Kinect was over engineered

 

[Psykodad]

People said the same thing about Nintendo.
Ps is better than n64. Nintendo should go third party

Ps2 is better than gamecube Nintendo should go third party
Wii u is the worst system ever nintendo should go third party.

Nintendo is fine. Xbox is fine. Most conaole players dont play on pc and if you want the best graphics great games like like halo gears forza ori Quantam break. U go xbox. Gamepass is great.

Again Sony is fine
Nintendo is fine.
Xbox is fine.

Stop the fanboy stuff.

I bought all 3 systems because I like great games. All 3 of these systems have great exclusives. Pc does not.

Flawed logic.

What sells Nintendos are great (1st party) exclusives.
What sells Playstations are great (1st party) exclusives.
What sells Xboxes are great (1st party) exclusives.

Only one of the three above is severely lacking in the "great exclusives"-department.
Only one is struggling right now.

There's a pattern.

 

[phil_t98]

Sony is not going to fuck up again.
Dear xbots, drop the towel. The war is lost.

It is just delusional at this point, to still hope that scarlet might come out on top next gen, when you can play its games everywhere else.

It makes me laugh you quote it as “War” that’s the biggest fanboy post ever. At the end of the day it’s fine to enjoy what you enjoy without being a war.

I was simply quoting that people didn’t stick with Xbox so no guarantee of anything.

 

[Birdo]

Ditching the Xbox brand is truly one of the dumbest ideas I've heard in quite some time.

Because it's doing so well for them, right?

Outside of the UK and US, the Xbox brand is as dead as fucking Dillinger.

No matter how powerful this next console is. To Europe and Asia, it's just another Xbox. A brand that nobody there gives a hoot about.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

But Shawn Layden left, so Sony is done too.

Seriously, who know how next gen will turn out to be?