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EDMIX
Member
Likely the new Bluray disk that have 100GB. I believe those players also work with the quadlayer ones too so.......expect some massive games.
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
Yeah, right now. A year after ps5 RT will be ubiquitous across all new gpus with a broad price range...
ManaByte
Gold Member
It's not really new. It's NMVe, which you can get in your PC right now if you have the right motherboard. And the drives are a bit less than normal SSDs too.
EDMIX
Member
? That isn't based on hardware, that is based on developer choice. Someone chooses that my friend.
ethomaz
Banned
90% of the games... nope.
Negotiator
Member
I guess you missed the "PS5 GPU will do machine learning" memo?
RT cores (fixed-function BVH) != Tensor cores (INT8 acceleration, which is useful for machine learning/neural networks)
Don't confuse those two. Totally different things.
GV82
Member
The games are gonna be more expensive on those 100gb discs I think right? At least at first, gone are the £50/$50 starter rrp games.
£70/$70 per base game do you reckon Minimum? With some games up to £100 for gold editions, ultimate editions hitting 140 on physical, digital prices even higher. A few months to a year in that should come down to about 49.99.
So what’s that in Australia like $5000 aud per censored Mortal Kombat game?
nah kidding mates it’s more like $130 aud right? over in Canada $115 cad?
Because we all know how the pricing goes, it never quite matches the USA, These days I feel like they interchange the $ for the £ rather than the correct exchange rate.
And we’re fucked after Brexit on Game pricesin the UK anyway, even if the rest of the world stays around the PS4 RRP entry point prices.
£70/$70 per base game do you reckon Minimum? With some games up to £100 for gold editions, ultimate editions hitting 140 on physical, digital prices even higher. A few months to a year in that should come down to about 49.99.
So what’s that in Australia like $5000 aud per censored Mortal Kombat game?
nah kidding mates it’s more like $130 aud right? over in Canada $115 cad?Because we all know how the pricing goes, it never quite matches the USA, These days I feel like they interchange the $ for the £ rather than the correct exchange rate.
And we’re fucked after Brexit on Game pricesin the UK anyway, even if the rest of the world stays around the PS4 RRP entry point prices.
Negotiator
Member
Not really. We have plenty of 100GB games already (RDR2 comes to mind). TLOU2 is coming soon...
They have season passes/DLC/MTX to recoup the costs.
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ManaByte
Gold Member
Gears 4 was over 100GB and so was Quantum Break.
demigod
Member
It is new, NVME is not much better than SSD for gaming.
bitbydeath
Member
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
I am actually kind of curious how annoying it would be getting finger strain by pulling and holding a bow in Horizon Zero Dawn 2 over and over again. These are also cool features that will be turned off by any serious MP gamer.
Honestly, I just hope my battle beaver DS4 works on PS5 or BB starts modding DS5s asap.
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Explosive Zombie
Banned
You're right, I could totally get this right now...
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ShirAhava
Plays with kids toys, in the adult gaming world
Why?
I haven't been impressed with console exclusives since last gen
PS4 had better output than the competition but thats not really saying a whole lot
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Terminology on this was 'never' ambiguous - 'accelerated' has been used for the entire history of GPUs to describe what they do in hardware.
Basically the other term was never really a thing.
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
You do realize that the PS5 will be great day one and age every day after that right?You're right, I could totally get this right now...
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PCs just keep getting better every year. Any advantage PS5 has (which will be very small) will be passed up real quick. Stop trying to compare or "beat" PCs.
And I say that as someone who will buy two PS5s on launch day.
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ManaByte
Gold Member
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Good job finding a 15TB server drive just to make the price be as high as possible.
1TB NMVe drives are usually a little cheaper than 1TB SSD drives depending on the brand.
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Verdanth
Member
What's this about SIE saying that PS5 is not 100% backward compatible with PS4 games?
Didn't Cerny confirmed it would be?
Didn't Cerny confirmed it would be?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
That is only because of the interface being so damn slow on the PC compared to the drive. AMD is the only maker with PCIe4.0 at the moment, and even then it is under utilized.
The console solution being proprietary and lightning fast should help PC gaming on that front since games will be designed around that solution.
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ShirAhava
Plays with kids toys, in the adult gaming world
Indeed
Just like how Sega CD was the place to be for FMV games if that isn't your cup of tea your SOL
Explosive Zombie
Banned
Who's denying the ever evolving nature of the PC landscape? The point is the power at launch and the difference between an old PC and an old console is games still get optimized for your old console. Launching with stronger performance than affordable PCs at the time is going to be huge, last gen did not do that.
Good job finding a 15TB server drive just to make the price be as high as possible.
1TB NMVe drives are usually a little cheaper than 1TB SSD drives depending on the brand.
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I legit just googled NVMe and that came up, my dude. Is your 100 dollar one going to compare to what's in a PS5 or Scarlet?
SaturnSaturn
Member
No, he simply said during an old Wired interview that it supports BC with PS4, never to what extent it does, if its only some digital titles, or like the ps3 with disc based games also.
Fanboys took it as 100% and kept parroting it over and over.
ManaByte
Gold Member
Yea, they're using that technology. Not the big server drives.
Negotiator
Member
If Sony doesn't offer 100% PS4 BC, it will be a huge mistake. MS has said they will offer 100% XB1 BC.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
I mean the PS1 doesn't look too drastically different than the consumer one.
Thats because it wasn't a devkit. That was a Test Playstation. Basically a stock PS1 with modified drive firmware that omitted checking validation codes on discs and the ability to play audio CD's.
A Playstation devkit was a regular PC attached to a box (SN systems did the EU ones) that assisted with cross-compiling and data transfer between the two devices.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
That''s an evasion, I'm asking if it's totally analogous with the 100 dollar version without any bells, whistles or extra storage that one doesn't have. I'm asking for the actual price point the level of SSD these systems will have is when it's a separate entity bought for PC.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Oh no... watch MS try to outdo them with the innovative new feature for Xbox: Regedit.exe
ethomaz
Banned
I believe it will s related to games that require specific hardware features? Eg. EyeToy.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Why would it only do digital and not disc, when nothing runs off the disc? The game fully installs and the disc is used as an executable check like back in the day on the PC.
There is no difference between a downloaded version or disc version of any game on the PS4 or XB1 other than a disc check executable wrapper versus a digital license wrapper.
I think people also like to concern troll, like they did with "it will only be software RT, they confirmed it"! And here we are.
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ManaByte
Gold Member
On the PC NVMe drives attach to a M.2 slot. No one knows how it'll be interfaced on the PS5 and Scarlett yet. Could be soldered right on the board for all we know. But it's the same technology.
And yes, it's the same as the $99 PC drives; that's why a 1Tb drive could be realistic at launch next year.
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Explosive Zombie
Banned
Still not really addressing the idea I'm putting forward that you don't know what the NVMe equivalent available to PC gamers will be and how much it'll run them.
DESTROYA
Member
Don’t see what the big deal is, yes my Xbox controller is my go to when gaming on PC but switching to DS4 or even a Switch Pro controller is fairly seamless besides remembering button layout.
All controllers have good and bad points , can’t say the asymmetrical sticks on the DS4 are bad just take a couple of minutes of hands on time to get reacquainted.
Rolling_Start
Banned
You don't have to exactly copy Nvidia's approach.
You could chose to do ray / BV tests on dedicated or specialised hardware, but do ray / triangle intersection tests in a shader [edit: on more RT friendly CUs], for example.
You could also allow more developer control over acceleration structures.
I look forward to seeing AMD and Intel's approaches compared to Nvidias. Nvidia's RT cores are dead silicon if not used for RT, which is itself dependant upon accepting Nvidia's black box approach to RT. There may be a better way to integrate RT workloads into the traditional render and compute pipelines, with the necessary modifications.
Err ... come again?
I said that I think Sony and MS will have very similar implementations, both based largely on AMDs technology ...?
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EDMIX
Member
Agreed. I think they want to save the reveal of the look of the system, games and other tidbits for a bigger reveal. I like all this info coming out as it means they are planning for a reveal that has more relevant info in terms of content or features etc.
I disagree. Its a nice feature, but....have you not considered Wii U and XONE where both BC yet got outsold by PS4 with ZERO BC? Soooooo I'm buying a PS5 day 1 like I bought a PS2, PS3 and PS4 day 1. PS5 not being BC wouldn't make me do anything differently as...I OWN A PS4 ALREADY, its a nice feature, but I don't buy systems to play older systems as I'm not sure how many really buy something for that purpose. By that logic, the reason to own a XONE is for a 360....you'd have a better argument saying to just never buy a XONE and just keep your 360 or something. So I think PS5 having BC is a good move and clearly easier since PS4 has a more streamlined set up vs PS3, but its nothing I'd say is needed or "suicide" if its not there or anything.
Again... WIi U and XONE are BC, yet...clearly they didn't outsell PS4. Tells you all you need to know about that impact or lack there of from this topic.
They probably will, but at a later date or simply have the option for users to just upgrade themselves. I'll do exactly like how I did this gen. I had 500GB and bought a 2TB and I'm good lol I still have like 1 TB of room left. If I can install and uninstall quickly, I don't really care that much regarding space as we only play 1 game at a time, not 5 or 6 etc. Storing it is pointless if I'm just buying all my games on disk and installing based on use at the time. At most I'm on 3 games during a week or something. Like a Multiplayer title like Battlefield, short single player,
Plague Doctor
Member
Why does Sony come up with the weirdest names for each new iteration of their hardware?
demigod
Member
You talking about interface being the PCIE? NVME is already faster than SSD in PCIE 3.0 and games aren't even that much faster.
Slings and Arrows
Banned
I wonder if the notch in the controller is a mounting port so you can use your tablet/phone and DS5 as a play anywhere combo?
ManaByte
Gold Member
You're baiting and trying to argue in circles. You asked if it's analogous to the $100 NMVe drives, and it is. MS and Sony aren't inventing new hard drive tech, they're using NMVe.
joe_zazen
Member
this is probably it!
Slings and Arrows
Banned
I was in Game today.
Borderlands 3 normal edition : £53!!! I was nearly sick
Borderlands 3 deluxe edition : £70!! I nearly had a hernia
Borderlands 3 super deluxe edition : £92!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I had kittens right there in shop.
Season pass; £40.
even the bog standard+ season pass costs NINETY FUCKING QUID. If I wasn't buying it for a birthday present I would have walked the fuck out. I asked the woman in Game why it was so expensive, her answer? "yeah, well, all games are this expensive now. If you had have preordered it in store it would have only cost £47." Only £47.
Fuck game
/rant
OT : if the PS5 is launching next holiday, does that mean scarlett will launch in spring?
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Because the games are not designed around it as I mentioned. Having consoles which are usually the baseline, should theoretically improve that for NVME/SSD PC gaming.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
I'm not baiting, wtf, the larger argument is the idea that PC gaming is just as good/affordable as getting something like a PS5 and in order to preserve that illusion you've been using evasive language surrounding the SSD tech.
DESTROYA
Member
You’re in the extreme minority with that impression , you might think that personally but in reality that’s not true all, even the most diehard console warriors admit that SONY killed it with software this gen.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
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MiyazakiHatesKojima
Didn't you mention there was a "hole" or something you "insert" in the PS5 that is innovative but you can't speak on it (after you came back from the ban request), you silly lovable little troll you?
SaturnSaturn
Member
To get people to buy it again?
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