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[Papa]

It's really both, in a VERY general sense. For example, some men are just competitive. They would use money or anything they can get their hands on to prove they are better than the next guy, with or without women existing but I guess we have some sort of middle ground as far as societal expectations go and pressures to perform.

Tldr: I dunno if i entirely agree, but it's not NOT what you said either.

You keep seeing the truth in what I'm saying but then pivot to denying it without explaining why I'm wrong. I suspect your single mother / Silicon Valley history have filled your head with shit and, like a religious person, the dogma prevents you from addressing the cognitive dissonance.

 

[Vicetrailia]

Yeeeeah, no way. Maybe for you but I measure men by more than their wallets. Thats...a pretty fucked up view of the world, even if you're in the majority, and very symptomatic of why things are going to hell in a hand basket.

Tldr: thanks for only caring about money. You're a big part of the problem, in my eyes.

I don't actually believe that, but it's better than assigning manhood by having a blue collar job at one point in your life.

 

[TylersProphecy4.0]

You keep seeing the truth in what I'm saying but then pivot to denying it without explaining why I'm wrong. I suspect your single mother / Silicon Valley history have filled your head with shit and, like a religious person, the dogma prevents you from addressing the cognitive dissonance.

No, I just live and die by the fact that those that generalize are idiots. You simply dont know everyone on the planet.

If I'm being truly honest, I think it takes a far amount of ego to even proclaim you truly know even yourself, let alone even ONE other person. The gall of people just saying this group this and that group that...it makes me sick.

And heres another honesty; I'm just as guilty of this as anyone else in other ways. In the way that you distrust "soy boys", I distrust rich people. I have to CONSTANTLY check myself because I find my mind sinking into patterns.

Tldr: I'm not brainwashed, I just constantly wonder if I am wrong. I try to be as humble as possible because fuck being the opposite.

When I am laying on my death bed, I want to be able to say ONE THING ONLY:
I was not part of the problem.

 

[TylersProphecy4.0]

I don't actually believe that, but it's better than assigning manhood by having a blue collar job at one point in your life.

I...didnt say anything about a job, I said caring about other people. Did you even read my response?

My list of jobs was not to stroke my e-peen, it was to prove to another forum member who proclaimed that my parents divorce had made me "soft as butter" and gave me PTSD is wrong and actually knows nothing about me. It's ok, he obviously generalizes quite a bit but in this case, he was way off base and I thought I would give evidence to the contrary.

Didnt really change the narrative. Somehow my single mom ruined me, fucking lol.

My single mom could probably beat matt up and shes almost 70. My mom is a fuckin BEAST.

 

[Papa]

No, I just live and die by the fact that those that generalize are idiots. You simply dont know everyone on the planet.

If I'm being truly honest, I think it takes a far amount of ego to even proclaim you truly know even yourself, let alone even ONE other person. The gall of people just saying this group this and that group that...it makes me sick.

And heres another honesty; I'm just as guilty of this as anyone else in other ways. In the way that you distrust "soy boys", I distrust rich people. I have to CONSTANTLY check myself because I find my mind sinking into patterns.

Tldr: I'm not brainwashed, I just constantly wonder if I am wrong. I try to be as humble as possible because fuck being the opposite.

When I am laying on my death bed, I want to be able to say ONE THING ONLY:
I was not part of the problem.

You generalized all zoomers on the last page after whining about people generalizing millennials, you hypocritical fool.

 

[brap]

Damn Matthew was right. All these pussy ass soy guzzlers the product of single moms.

 

[Durask]

Poor nutrition leads to poor gut health which leads to poor mental health.

Quoted for truth.
Our food today is toxic. Literally. Not just pesticides, microplastics and other crap but it is also sugar and especially fructose. And gut health is extremely important and improper gut flora leads to all kinds of mental health problems.

Most fancy restaurant food is shit loaded with sugar and salt that tastes good.

 

[TylersProphecy4.0]

You generalized all zoomers on the last page after whining about people generalizing millennials, you hypocritical fool.

I did. I just admitted that I am as guilty as everyone else and have to constantly check myself.

Reading problems much?

 

[brap]

You generalized all zoomers on the last page after whining about people generalizing millennials, you hypocritical fool.

Boomers literally ruined everything though. That's not generalizing that's a fact. /s

 

[Vicetrailia]

I...didnt say anything about a job, I said caring about other people. Did you even read my response?

My list of jobs was not to stroke my e-peen, it was to prove to another forum member who proclaimed that my parents divorce had made me "soft as butter" and gave me PTSD is wrong and actually knows nothing about me. It's ok, he obviously generalizes quite a bit but in this case, he was way off base and I thought I would give evidence to the contrary.

Didnt really change the narrative. Somehow my single mom ruined me, fucking lol.

My single mom could probably beat matt up and shes almost 70. My mom is a fuckin BEAST.

That's what highrider said, and Matt C agreed.

Ultimately everyone here is talking shit, they don't believe what they are saying.

 

[TylersProphecy4.0]

Damn Matthew was right. All these pussy ass soy guzzlers the product of single moms.

A pussy ass; Burp's wet dream.

 

[Papa]

I did. I just admitted that I am as guilty as everyone else and have to constantly check myself.

Reading problems much?

You just contradicted yourself again:

When I am laying on my death bed, I want to be able to say ONE THING ONLY:
I was not part of the problem.

You are definitely "part of the problem" because you're confused and can't get your story straight.

 

[TylersProphecy4.0]

You just contradicted yourself again:



You are definitely "part of the problem" because you're confused and can't get your story straight.

The fact that you think you are not confused makes me KNOW who you are. No ones story is "straight".

 

[Papa]

Quoted for truth.
Our food today is toxic. Literally. Not just pesticides, microplastics and other crap but it is also sugar and especially fructose. And gut health is extremely important and improper gut flora leads to all kinds of mental health problems.

Most fancy restaurant food is shit loaded with sugar and salt that tastes good.

100%

My problem ain't so much with sugar and salt or even the constantly demonised saturated fat. Our ancestors ate all of those things, so we have evolved to process them. My issue is with all of the artificial shit that has been introduced to prolong the shelf-life of food because the world now depends on it. I have no doubts that it's destroying our guts and, consequently, our minds.

Anyone who wants to complain about the declining quality of food must first address a simple truth: this was not a problem when there was a complementary nurturer role in the home preparing fresh meals every day. The fact that Tyler can't even address this simple fact without resorting to screeching hysterics indicates to me that he's not operating from a rational basis -- he's operating from dogma, and I just questioned his biblical truth. In fact, I made no value judgment; rather, I simply stated that the reduced quality of food is a side effect of the emancipation of women. If he had kept his powder and panties dry and instead asked me whether I thought it was preferable for women to once again be confined to the home, he may have been surprised by my answer.

 

[brap]

I feel like there's estrogen in food because too many men are looking and acting like overgrown babies while girls are looking way more mature at a younger age. Just look at some instagram models and you'll be surprised how many are like 15 but look like 30.

 

[TylersProphecy4.0]

I feel like there's estrogen in food because too many men are looking and acting like overgrown babies while girls are looking way more mature at a younger age. Just look at some instagram models and you'll be surprised how many are like 15 but look like 30.

I THINK...you're bullshitting? But no joke, a lot of studies are showing that men are losing testosterone at high rates due to a variety of factors, one primary area of study being on how loud, traumatic noises can effect your testosterone levels.

Basically, people who work in high decibel environments like construction or even inside of roadies for bands end up with super low testosterone levels and super depressed, having a much higher rate of suicide. The biggest group effected by this is usually veterans.

 

[TylersProphecy4.0]

100%

My problem ain't so much with sugar and salt or even the constantly demonised saturated fat. Our ancestors ate all of those things, so we have evolved to process them. My issue is with all of the artificial shit that has been introduced to prolong the shelf-life of food because the world now depends on it. I have no doubts that it's destroying our guts and, consequently, our minds.

Anyone who wants to complain about the declining quality of food must first address a simple truth: this was not a problem when there was a complementary nurturer role in the home preparing fresh meals every day. The fact that Tyler can't even address this simple fact without resorting to screeching hysterics indicates to me that he's not operating from a rational basis -- he's operating from dogma, and I just questioned his biblical truth. In fact, I made no value judgment; rather, I simply stated that the reduced quality of food is a side effect of the emancipation of women. If he had kept his powder and panties dry and instead asked me whether I thought it was preferable for women to once again be confined to the home, he may have been surprised by my answer.

Dude, I agree that a full family unit is better than a single parent. It's not my "dogma" by any means. If anyone's on a script, it's you making assumptions about people who disagree with your beliefs.

But I disagree when you say that's the only reason why quality of food has gone down or even close to the primary reason. You generalize FAR too much and it makes your arguments so simple, theres no WAY you could ever even gleam the truth of the scenario.

I asked earlier, but how does one parent over two still make eating literal cardboard any less harmful to a body over the course of decades?

Or are you to stuck in YOUR dogmas to answer?

 

[TylersProphecy4.0]

It's like, if a society starting putting poison in its drinking water and also made dogs mayors of major cities, matt would be like "The water is worse because of the dog mayors!"
Yeah, sure, it might be, but the obvious answer is that it's the fucking POISON.

Edit: see what I did there? Dogs? Dogmas?

 

[Durask]

Anyone who wants to complain about the declining quality of food must first address a simple truth: this was not a problem when there was a complementary nurturer role in the home preparing fresh meals every day. The fact that Tyler can't even address this simple fact without resorting to screeching hysterics indicates to me that he's not operating from a rational basis -- he's operating from dogma, and I just questioned his biblical truth. In fact, I made no value judgment; rather, I simply stated that the reduced quality of food is a side effect of the emancipation of women. If he had kept his powder and panties dry and instead asked me whether I thought it was preferable for women to once again be confined to the home, he may have been surprised by my answer.

Well, I think certainly emancipation of women played a role, but also humans are lazy, even if you are a stay home mom, there will be constant temptation to cut corners and buy cheap and convenient processed food at least some of the time.

It's like do you spend hours cooking a vegetable stew and force the kids to eat it or do you get mac and cheese from a box (hey it says organic on the box) that kids will eat without any complaints.

 

[brap]

I THINK...you're bullshitting?

What's the other explanation? Men don't look like men anymore and women start looking like women younger than ever.

 

[Papa]

Dude, I agree that a full family unit is better than a single parent. It's not my "dogma" by any means. If anyone's on a script, it's you making assumptions about people who disagree with your beliefs.

But I disagree when you say that's the only reason why quality of food has gone down or even close to the primary reason. You generalize FAR too much and it makes your arguments so simple, theres no WAY you could ever even gleam the truth of the scenario.

I asked earlier, but how does one parent over two still make eating literal cardboard any less harmful to a body over the course of decades?

Or are you to stuck in YOUR dogmas to answer?

You’re free to disagree, but if you do so without providing a counter explanation, then I’m going to rightly dismiss you. Your opinion is not equal by virtue of your existence. You need to provide a rational basis for it and communicate it, otherwise it’s just a fart in the wind (as most of your posts seem to be).

 

[Papa]

I THINK...you're bullshitting? But no joke, a lot of studies are showing that men are losing testosterone at high rates due to a variety of factors, one primary area of study being on how loud, traumatic noises can effect your testosterone levels.

Basically, people who work in high decibel environments like construction or even inside of roadies for bands end up with super low testosterone levels and super depressed, having a much higher rate of suicide. The biggest group effected by this is usually veterans.

Good lord, this is the dumbest explanation I have ever heard for the reducing testosterone levels in western men. No wonder you’re avoiding justifying your other assertions.

 

[TylersProphecy4.0]

What's the other explanation? Men don't look like men anymore and women start looking like women younger than ever.

Oh yeah, I never once saw a male look like a female or otherwise before millenials and soy. Man...I just never though about it before!!!

 

[Papa]

Well, I think certainly emancipation of women played a role, but also humans are lazy, even if you are a stay home mom, there will be constant temptation to cut corners and buy cheap and convenient processed food at least some of the time.

It's like do you spend hours cooking a vegetable stew and force the kids to eat it or do you get mac and cheese from a box (hey it says organic on the box) that kids will eat without any complaints.

Sure, so then it comes down to culture. How does your culture instill discipline and disincentivize cutting corners?

 

[TylersProphecy4.0]

Good lord, this is the dumbest explanation I have ever heard for the reducing testosterone levels in western men. No wonder you’re avoiding justifying your other assertions.

It's usually veterans speaking out about it anymore, trying to keep their fellow soldiers alive so they dont Gohmer Pyle their brains all over the walls, letting them know they can literally fix their entire lives with a simple shot at the doctor...

but those Soy Boys, amirite?!?!

 

[brap]

Oh yeah, I never once saw a male look like a female or otherwise before millenials and soy. Man...I just never though about it before!!!

Yeah, definitely nothing weird going on when half the adult male population look like fat overgrown babies.

 

[TylersProphecy4.0]

You’re free to disagree, but if you do so without providing a counter explanation, then I’m going to rightly dismiss you. Your opinion is not equal by virtue of your existence. You need to provide a rational basis for it and communicate it, otherwise it’s just a fart in the wind (as most of your posts seem to be).

Yeah, your shit is just modern fucking art lol.

 

[TylersProphecy4.0]

Yeah, definitely nothing weird going on when half the adult male population look like fat overgrown babies.

Hard to process the foods that aren't food. Have you ever taken a health class?
I was in medical assistance for a bit also. What food is made of matters. A lot.

It can make you fat. I know I know, hard to believe, BUT TRUE!!!

 

[Papa]

TRAUMATIC NOISES

 

[Durask]

Sure, so then it comes down to culture. How does your culture instill discipline and disincentivize cutting corners?

I don't have a good answer. Fighting temptations is always hard.
We may be entering a corrective phase for all I know - which will take a hundred years or so.

 

[brap]

Hard to process the foods that aren't food. Have you ever taken a health class?
I was in medical assistance for a bit also. What food is made of matters. A lot.

It can make you fat. I know I know, hard to believe, BUT TRUE!!!

Doesn't explain why they look like overgrown babies. Ever seen a guy that actually looked like a grown man and not a toddler with a pube beard.

TRAUMATIC NOISES

MUH TEST.......... I FEEL.............. IT.................. LOWERINg.....

 

[TylersProphecy4.0]

TRAUMATIC NOISES

Way to go. Now all of our dicks just got a LITTLE BIT tinier.

*shoots self in head*

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

What's the other explanation? Men don't look like men anymore and women start looking like women younger than ever.

It is called makeup and trends.

 

[brap]

It is called makeup and trends.

yeah makes sense

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

yeah makes sense

That bitch is 16. Did you attend High School or were you home schooled?

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

FOLLOW UP

 

[brap]

That bitch is 16.

That's the point. 16 looking like a 30 year old single hood rat stripper mom.

Did you attend High School or were you home schooled?

I live in the midwest. We don't have people like that here.

FOLLOW UP

>sucking more dick and doing more anal
ok

 

[StreetsofBeige]

FOLLOW UP

Looking at that chart, some things stick out.

- 40 years ago, roughly 1 in 300 females aged under 15 got pregnant. That's grade 10. WTF?!?!

- Pregancies were slowly creeping up but then around 1990-1991 it started dropping big. Personally, I think it's due to every dude jerking off to Heather Locklear in Melrose Place or the hotties in Baywatch. lol

- Some reason pregnancies leveled off around 2007, but then steadily dropped again. Probably due to everyone going broke in the financial crisis and said forget it to having kids. lol

 

[Durask]

FOLLOW UP

There is a good theory that this is tied to dropping lead levels in the environment

Reduced teen pregnancy and violence: is lower lead exposure part of the explanation? - Child Trends

Since I started my career in 1975, the teen birth rate has seen substantial (and welcome) declines, from 55.6 births per 1,000 females ages 15–19 in 1975 to 24.2 in 2014—less than half the 1975 level. Similarly, youth violence has also declined significantly over this time period. For example...

www.childtrends.org

 

[Durask]

Looking at that chart, some things stick out.

- 40 years ago, roughly 1 in 300 females aged under 15 got pregnant. That's grade 10. WTF?!?!

- Pregancies were slowly creeping up but then around 1990-1991 it started dropping big. Personally, I think it's due to every dude jerking off to Heather Locklear in Melrose Place or the hotties in Baywatch. lol

- Some reason pregnancies leveled off around 2007, but then steadily dropped again. Probably due to everyone going broke in the financial crisis and said forget it to having kids. lol

Leaded Gas Was a Known Poison the Day It Was Invented

For most of the mid-twentieth century, lead gasoline was considered normal. But lead is a poison, and burning it has had dire consequences

www.smithsonianmag.com

 

[Durask]

Leaded Gas Was a Known Poison the Day It Was Invented

For most of the mid-twentieth century, lead gasoline was considered normal. But lead is a poison, and burning it has had dire consequences

www.smithsonianmag.com

These days there's probably tons of other s**t out there that's messing with our brains, we just don't know it yet.

Not psychiatric effect but still interesting to know

C. difficile epidemic caused by food additive

Clostridium difficile infections are on the rise, and they now routinely kill thousands of people every year. Find out which food additive is to blame.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Leaded Gas Was a Known Poison the Day It Was Invented

For most of the mid-twentieth century, lead gasoline was considered normal. But lead is a poison, and burning it has had dire consequences

www.smithsonianmag.com

Interesting read. Would have never thought that.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

That's the point. 16 looking like a 30 year old single hood rat stripper mom.

It is called make up. Look at how girls looked in the 80s ffs.

I live in the midwest. We don't have people like that here.

Incest good dressing up bad! The point you were trying to make is superficial considering the data, younger women were far looser back then or eh had more accidents anyway.

>sucking more dick and doing more anal

Problem? also lol greentext

Looking at that chart, some things stick out.

- 40 years ago, roughly 1 in 300 females aged under 15 got pregnant. That's grade 10. WTF?!?!

- Pregancies were slowly creeping up but then around 1990-1991 it started dropping big. Personally, I think it's due to every dude jerking off to Heather Locklear in Melrose Place or the hotties in Baywatch. lol

- Some reason pregnancies leveled off around 2007, but then steadily dropped again. Probably due to everyone going broke in the financial crisis and said forget it to having kids. lol

I think people are just more aware of how fucked you are by having kids that early. Hopefully.

 

[brap]

It is called make up. Look at how girls looked in the 80s ffs.

Like 12 year olds in make up not tatted up 30 year old skanks with fake body parts

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Like 12 year olds in make up not tatted up 30 year old skanks with fake body parts

You posted a 16 year old with tats and a crap loads of make up. That still hasn't been knocked up like a girl from the 90s or 80s would!

 

[brap]

You posted a 16 year old with tats and a crap loads of make up. That still hasn't been knocked up like a girl from the 90s or 80s would!

So? People are more educated about sex these days.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

So? People are more educated about sex these days.

So what is the problem again? There is literally no harm being done to others. You don't even see it where you live either right? Is this any worse than 10 year old beauty pageants? No and seriously who cares man? Who cares?

 

[Durask]

Interesting read. Would have never thought that.

Mother Jones is left wing as hell but this article IMHO is quite legit

Sick Kids Are Just the Beginning of America’s Lead Crisis

The hidden villain behind violent crime, lower IQs, and the ADHD epidemic.

www.motherjones.com

 

[brap]

So what is the problem again? There is literally no harm being done to others. You don't even see it where you live either right? Is this any worse than 10 year old beauty pageants? No and seriously who cares man? Who cares?

What the fuck are you even going on about here? I'm talking about how women look older these days and men look like overgrown babies.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

What the fuck are you even going on about here? I'm talking about how women look older these days

It is called make up. We've been over this.

and men look like overgrown babies.

Oh and you look like the face of masculinity? Grow up.