Insane Metal
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Yes... it's probably worth like $9999 lol.
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JaguarCROW
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It is actually more like a performance cliff. Up to a certain percentage full then you have almost 100% of an SSDs performance (say 75-80%) then the performance degrades significantly after that. It is dependent on the Controller on the drive as it needs empty space to be able to move data around to "wear level" the drive to make sure that certain parts of the NAND Flash chips that are heavily used don't fail early in the drive's lifetime.Well … shit. I wasn't aware of this. My older brother (who up until recently used to be a PC geek) informed me about this.
Why Solid-State Drives Slow Down As You Fill Them Up
The benchmarks are clear: Solid-state drives slow down as you fill them up.www.howtogeek.com
So, basically, the more games you install, the slower your SSD gets.
prinz_valium
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2*512GB SSDs for incredible speeds.
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post)
Microsoft apparently helped build Denali, a huge 16TB SSD with Software Defined Flash (SDF) for the Open Compute Project. It's an enterprise SSD designed for cloud. "Microsoft partnered with Scenic Labs, LightOn and Toshiba to build what we saw as the first building block to understand how to...www.resetera.com
Nice
Evilms
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Gamernyc78
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I'm anxious to see the surprises Cerny has cooked up for ps5. This is going to be good. This gen my surprise feature was "Shareplay" on the software side of things. My son was just using it now to pass the controller back and forth to his friends while playing the new Plants versus Zombies and its just a great feature and was great forward thinking by Sony. Share button on controller and mic also dope, I use them both tremendously.
Other things of note of course... As with other Sony systems it was advanced in terms of some features.
PS4's PlayGo system explained by Sony's Mark Cerny
Sony's lead system architect and hardware wizard Mark Cerny, has delved into the innards of PS4 as well as PlayGo which…
www.vg247.com
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Fake
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Welcome to the war zone.
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Nickolaidas
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LordOfChaos
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has anyone seen this yet?
The assumption here is internal IO, right? I could read that as meaning internal or external. A bespoke connection for the SSD beyond PCI-E 4.0 would be IO beyond what the PC has. Or an external SSD connection, the cartridge patent for SSD size expansion, beyond what Thunderbolt can add?
For all the people still dreaming about Samsung 7nm EUV
Yields for 7nm < 30%
I am guessing bigger then expected jumps (~12TF) will come at expense of considerably bigger box + 50% increase of wattage.
Which node will they use? It all points to 7nm. Perhaps 7P from TSMC, but thats ~10% increase in performance, no where near the promised one of EUV.
Damn! Imagine ~350mm² chip on Samsungs 7nm node. I suspect their performance targets have been missed as well...
Yields for 7nm < 30%
I am guessing bigger then expected jumps (~12TF) will come at expense of considerably bigger box + 50% increase of wattage.
Which node will they use? It all points to 7nm. Perhaps 7P from TSMC, but thats ~10% increase in performance, no where near the promised one of EUV.
Damn! Imagine ~350mm² chip on Samsungs 7nm node. I suspect their performance targets have been missed as well...
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Kazekage1981
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Do you guys think that PS5 and Xsex should have an expansion slot? Instead of mid-refresh of PS5Pro and XsexX they could add a 32x like device in the expansion slot so it can have extra graphics, because what is the point of re-releasing the optical drive, ssd drive, etc? Unless they are drastically changing the internals: GDDR6 to HBM3, 7nm Zen 2 to 5nm Zen5, RDNA 2 to something next gen, Wifi6 to wifi7. Would USB thunderbolt 3 or usb 4.0 (instead of a proprietary expansion slot) be enough for them to add a 32x like device with extra graphics horsepower? I understand consoles are trying to do hardware refresh cycles similar to smartphones, but I dont really want to keep on buying new consoles all the time. My xbox one x is already outdated due to xsex.
TLZ
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Not bad at all.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Not only pathetic, but entertaining as hell.
Ar¢tos
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17%,63# vs 87%,327#????
OUCH!
Can they keep their chip business when they can't compete at all?
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
More bullshit and no actual information.
PocoJoe
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No.
Doesnt work like that with new tech, only maybe hdd space etc simpler could be possible. Gpu needs too much of cooling
Insane Metal
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Holy shit that's disgraceful for Samsung.
Process nodes for chips are probably very very hard since very few companies can actually pull that off. I mean freaking Intel has been struggling for years.
Its bad. Real bad for Samsung.
Test 5nm dies coming out of TSMC have higher yields.
I assume this is why Nvidia went with TSMC instead of Samsung in the end.
Well … shit. I wasn't aware of this. My older brother (who up until recently used to be a PC geek) informed me about this.
Why Solid-State Drives Slow Down As You Fill Them Up
The benchmarks are clear: Solid-state drives slow down as you fill them up.
So, basically, the more games you install, the slower your SSD gets.
That's PC world bullshit.
Custom hardware like a console can ditch block addressing which fixes the problem.
Nickolaidas
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That sounds pretty confident … considering we have yet to see a console which uses SSDs as the default. Don't get me wrong, I too think they could find a solution to this, but I am not sure if they will.
Racer!
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Well, Cerny said in March that they would be on TSMC 7nm node. RDNA2 will launch first half of next year on EUV, so thats almost certainly what they are going to use in next gen consoles.
Who was dreaming of Samsung EUV in a next gen console?
If they won't use off the shelf ssd's with a default block level controller, first thing they should do is to create a custom filesystem driver that doesn't use blocks.
AFAIR Sony said that they will give a low level access to the flash controller to developers.
P.S. there's also encryption problem. I.e. to fight piracy the data on SSD should be encrypted with a trusted decryption module that is high speed and sits somewhere close to the controller. Or inside it.
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bitbydeath
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Yeah, that confused me too.
We weren’t expecting Samsung EUV were we? Just AMD EUV? Unless I’m missing something here?
TeamGhobad
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post)
Microsoft apparently helped build Denali, a huge 16TB SSD with Software Defined Flash (SDF) for the Open Compute Project. It's an enterprise SSD designed for cloud. "Microsoft partnered with Scenic Labs, LightOn and Toshiba to build what we saw as the first building block to understand how to...
at MS, xbox is the redheaded stepchild, non of that will get into the box.
Kenpachii
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So he found a case that looks like the xbox with components that are nothing like the xbox and benchmarks nothing but a synthetic benchmark.
Racer!
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What youre missing is our friend R600 here looking for FUD to push his agenda of a 9.2 TF console
When he is not busy maligning fellow posters by calling them retards that is.
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Gamernyc78
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What youre missing is our friend R600 here looking for FUD to push his agenda of a 9.2 TF console
When he is not busy maligning fellow posters by calling them retards that is.
You havent put tht dude on ignore? I did tht over a year ago
Racer!
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You havent put tht dude on ignore? I did tht over a year ago
I probably should. But theres just something cute about him lol.
jonnyp
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Rightisright
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You have red gaming tech saying that they are hearing the Xbox GPU is more powerful, as well as the xbox Ray tracing is better than the PS5.
Sony and MS would know what each others specs are, and both have the ability to match what the other is doing, so long as they have the same Cu's. Both are able to remove heat from their consoles and get the highest clocks.
I wouldn't be surprised if both come in at the exact same power level.
Bryank75
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Why does he then go on to explain that he always gamed on many systems and that he is now unshackled from the PR speak and that he saw this through his now job at Blizzard?
LordOfChaos
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Well … shit. I wasn't aware of this. My older brother (who up until recently used to be a PC geek) informed me about this.
Why Solid-State Drives Slow Down As You Fill Them Up
The benchmarks are clear: Solid-state drives slow down as you fill them up.
So, basically, the more games you install, the slower your SSD gets.
2013. SSDs all over-provision to prevent this now, i.e why you see ~230GB for every 256GB of real NAND capacity. Plus better controller level GC, plus maybe removing block level systems from PCs, etc.
Don't worry about it basically. It is best practice to not fill it to the brim, but this is really a non issue for any decent mid-high end SSD already, let alone these bonkers ones we're getting rumored.
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jonnyp
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RedGamingTech knows nothing.
Gamernyc78
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Insane Metal
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Stop you guys I'm sure he is on to something here
Drugs probably
FranXico
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Can you give screengrabs/links?
Rightisright
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Yet some random on an internet forum does?
jonnyp
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Hey, if you want to believe that imbecile Paul that's fine by me.
HeisenbergFX4
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Cant. Wait.
And my go to games will probably still be Rocket League and even Super Mega Baseball 2
rəddəM
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I just had to delete 3GB to download the latest 5GB Fortnite patch when I have 40+GB of free space.
After installing the patch the game went from 29GB to 30GB. Not gonna mention the super fast copying process.
What the actual fuck is going on with the PS4 storage system? Is it that dumb?
And there's this "other" section occupying 2.20GB and I have no idea what it is.
I hope the SSD cures this STUPIDITY*.
After installing the patch the game went from 29GB to 30GB. Not gonna mention the super fast copying process.
What the actual fuck is going on with the PS4 storage system? Is it that dumb?
And there's this "other" section occupying 2.20GB and I have no idea what it is.
I hope the SSD cures this STUPIDITY*.
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Nope, it was always talk about Samsung 7nm EUV and fact it undercuts TSMC was seen as perfect opportunity for console makers.
Obviously we have Digitimes from taiwan confirming 7nm for PS5 at end of 2020, as well as AMDs own Lisa Su.
But still, 36-40CUs at 2.0GHZ are not possible on current Navi and 7nm so who knows, it will be probably be improved Navi with 7P. 7nm EUV will not be used IMO.
In any case, for anything over 12TF they will need huge case, 250W at min and alot of $$$. Which I dont see Sony doing (nor is anything leaked pointing to that).
Obviously we have Digitimes from taiwan confirming 7nm for PS5 at end of 2020, as well as AMDs own Lisa Su.
But still, 36-40CUs at 2.0GHZ are not possible on current Navi and 7nm so who knows, it will be probably be improved Navi with 7P. 7nm EUV will not be used IMO.
In any case, for anything over 12TF they will need huge case, 250W at min and alot of $$$. Which I dont see Sony doing (nor is anything leaked pointing to that).
DeepEnigma
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It’s how the developers choose to go about it.
I just downloaded 8GB for RDR2 and it didn’t do any of this. Acted like they all used to, download and installed instantly with none of that copying files.
FranXico
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Really?
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DeepEnigma
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Yes, developers can choose how to set up the installs. Rushy talked about this towards the end of Driveclub’s final updates in the past.
Probably why some games do it, and some don’t. Most recently for me Death Stranding and RDR2 updates don’t do the “copying” part. They act just like games all did the first few years, installed instantly when download was done.
Gamernyc78
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Facts, no matter what console you buy. I Have a feeling this up coming gen in terms of mp, parity will be non issue. We will be happy. Exclusives and services more than ever will be the deciding factor for some.
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Bryank75
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Here is the video, it is at about 1.29.00 to 1.32.00 in the chat.
What he is saying really doesn't mean much or give away any new information. Basically the new pcie 4.0 allows up to 7.5GB per second data transfer but Ybarra is saying due to I/O stacks or software controls that it can make this super efficient on top of the high speeds. This would result in what we see with Spider-man demo of 19 times faster loading times etc.
V4skunk
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When patching a game usually the entire size of the game must be free on the hdd/ssd.
So say you are downloading a 5gb patch and the game takes up 50gb, you need 50gb free in your storage. I'm no expert but I think the entire game is temporarily backed up just in case there is a problem.
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