Gamernyc78
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Just like tht play and go feature. So
This conversation reminds me of playgo and how ps4 had this feature since the beginning but I'm not remembering it used in all games.... (maybe I'm not remembering right)
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Just like tht play and go feature. So
This conversation reminds me of playgo and how ps4 had this feature since the beginning but I'm not remembering it used in all games.... (maybe I'm not remembering right)
Mass Shift
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Well definitely not 16TBs. But a lower scaled version implementing the same approach? That doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility.
But that is an enterprise component. No one should be looking for it on the Series X motherboard.
bitbydeath
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TSMC’s N7+ Technology is First EUV Process Delivering Customer Products to Market in High Volume|Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company Limited
Hsinchu, Taiwan R.O.C., Oct 7, 2019 – TSMC (TWSE: 2330, NYSE: TSM) today announced that its seven-nanometer plus (N7+), the industry’s first commercially available Extreme
Barakov
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To be fair, there is such a thing as being on the wrong drugs.
xool
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Not sure if I should believe this .. one guy on twitter suddenly has commercially sensitive info for both TSMC and Samsung ...
Also this :
is made up data based on a defect density of 1.4 per mm2 for Samsung, and 0.09 per mm2 for TSMC
Don't know where they got those numbers from. arse maybe ?
[edit] and their calculations seem completely wrong .. 0.09 /mm2 is 9 defects per cm2 .. the yield from that even for 155mm2 chip (1.55cm2) is near 0 [edit they probably meant 0.09 / cm2]
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bitbydeath
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MaulerX
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One statement had absolutely nothing to do with the other. That was Tweeter response he gave about the publisher poll he ran on a completely different day.
Had nothing to do with what he said in the RDX podcast. And he NEVER said anything about seeing something at his new job at Blizzard in that tweet. You guys are clearly fabricating stuff now to suit your narrative.
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Bald-N-Furious
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With HDMI 2.1 do we need to replace TV’s or are 2019 model TV’s more then enough for next generation?
Lunatic_Gamer
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“PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X SSDs may both use a derivative of new enterprise tech to boost speeds and provide devs with granular access to data”.
www.tweaktown.com
PS5, Xbox Series X SSD may use software-defined flash to boost speeds
PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X SSDs may both use a derivative of new enterprise tech to boost speeds and provide devs with granular access to data.
www.tweaktown.com
TBiddy
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“PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X SSDs may both use a derivative of new enterprise tech to boost speeds and provide devs with granular access to data”.
PS5, Xbox Series X SSD may use software-defined flash to boost speeds
PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X SSDs may both use a derivative of new enterprise tech to boost speeds and provide devs with granular access to data.
Thanks. Very interesting read that one. Sounds like both parties have created their own software stack on top of the SSDs to increase the I/O as much as possible.
A now PS has secret sauce? HBM? Ultra fast SSD, ReRAM, it’s getting ridiculous, right after the series X reveal! Sony should give fans some more info .... also as machine are both with current tech, the won’t differ that much, economically and technologically not feasible, we have seen this before.
TLZ
Banned
All in good time.
megreotsugua
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Guys please allow me some MisterXMedia-level of speculation. But I'm sure you'll find this interesting.
First, read what a game dev told me about how ReRAM might be used in games.
If you uncompress insane details to ReRAM so it is available quickly then you can stream textures and assets at run-time without ever using your CPU bandwidth and cores for such task. At load-time it doesn't matter but at run-time CPU resources is precious and better used to run your games. Decompression is very demanding and may use entire CPU. It is the present bottleneck in load times, not the SSD bandwidth. Now consider this statement by a dev:
This statement could mean two things. PS5 has a secondary chip dedicated for decompression or the streamed assets are not compressed at all. And then consider this next statement from another dev:
Same loading times as today? 30 seconds - a minute? I don't see that scenario at all with 20GB RAM and 4GB/s SSD with 8-core CPU all being used to decompress AT LOAD-TIME. Even XSX is touting mere seconds of loading times because of their fast SSD and powerful CPU.
The only scenario I see this happening is if the game was made to read from the ReRAM immediately because they are showing insane details in their game. In this scenario, devs may find themselves having to load assets and textures to both main RAM and ReRAM from the "cold storage" (which could be a regular fast SSD) if they do not optimize their content and manage the memory well. If you have to load 16GB of RAM plus another 64GB of memory (assuming that's the amount of memory allocated and needed for the game to run) and you have 4GB/s of SSD, then that would really "lead back into a situation where you have about the same loading times as today".
But that will not happen "if games would stay the same in terms of scope and visual quality it’d make loading times be almost unnoticeable and restarting a level could be almost instant [in PS5 games].
But if devs will take advantage of that ultra-fast "extra storage", then they have to manage their memory again or they will find themselves "having to load much more data, leading back into a situation where you have about the same loading times as today."
First, read what a game dev told me about how ReRAM might be used in games.
If you uncompress insane details to ReRAM so it is available quickly then you can stream textures and assets at run-time without ever using your CPU bandwidth and cores for such task. At load-time it doesn't matter but at run-time CPU resources is precious and better used to run your games. Decompression is very demanding and may use entire CPU. It is the present bottleneck in load times, not the SSD bandwidth. Now consider this statement by a dev:
This statement could mean two things. PS5 has a secondary chip dedicated for decompression or the streamed assets are not compressed at all. And then consider this next statement from another dev:
Same loading times as today? 30 seconds - a minute? I don't see that scenario at all with 20GB RAM and 4GB/s SSD with 8-core CPU all being used to decompress AT LOAD-TIME. Even XSX is touting mere seconds of loading times because of their fast SSD and powerful CPU.
The only scenario I see this happening is if the game was made to read from the ReRAM immediately because they are showing insane details in their game. In this scenario, devs may find themselves having to load assets and textures to both main RAM and ReRAM from the "cold storage" (which could be a regular fast SSD) if they do not optimize their content and manage the memory well. If you have to load 16GB of RAM plus another 64GB of memory (assuming that's the amount of memory allocated and needed for the game to run) and you have 4GB/s of SSD, then that would really "lead back into a situation where you have about the same loading times as today".
But that will not happen "if games would stay the same in terms of scope and visual quality it’d make loading times be almost unnoticeable and restarting a level could be almost instant [in PS5 games].
But if devs will take advantage of that ultra-fast "extra storage", then they have to manage their memory again or they will find themselves "having to load much more data, leading back into a situation where you have about the same loading times as today."
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Anandtech also said that Samsung 7nm is inferior at the qualcomm 865 announcement (the snapdragon 865 is a lot smaller).. Seems to be some truth to the Twitter. Only question is whether both consoles are N7P or EUV at TSMC..
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1517...65-and-765-5g-for-all-in-2020-all-the-details
ZywyPL
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Current TVs will do just fine, especially the high-end 120Hz QLED/OLED ones. But to fully utilize the next-gen consoles HDMI 2.1 will be a must-have - low-latency input, variable refresh rate etc. all of the tech will elevate the experience even further than the already great 4K60.
ANIMAL1975
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I think you might be on to somethingWhat youre missing is our friend R600 here looking for FUD to push his agenda of a 9.2 TF console
When he is not busy maligning fellow posters by calling them retards that is.
But then you miss all the fun from when he gets called out (and from the tears and crows when specs finally come out)You havent put tht dude on ignore? I did tht over a year ago
Well that's my point? I wasn't even arguing which is more powerful, i was talking about the nonsensical of the gonzalo leak believers putting both machines in the 8/9tf power envelope, or putting only the PS5 to say that it's 'going to be trounced' by the X series,... remember 'Arcturus'!?
Nah I'm pretty sure it's cheap red wine
That shit gets you inspired!
And where do those random internet sites you have quoted go to get their 'information' this far from launch, and with the people in the 'know' full of NDAs? Never mind i tell you, it's on the internet forums where 'random' guys, who may actually have sources, post. If you're talking about windows central, that by the way isn't a random internet site, I'm pretty sure those were 'vetted' ms leaks.
Fake edit: Just to get things clear, and get something out of my head _ this buzz between my ears that's starting to get really annoying _ when you say 'those random on a internet forum' you are referring to forums in general.... Or just this one?
Fake
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We expect next gen to push more 4K TVs with some new tech.
I guess for now you don't need.
Tommy Fisher
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Fake
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That's my secret captain:
It's always happening.
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ANIMAL1975
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Go on...
ANIMAL1975
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👁 
Edit: I'm here clicking refresh every 5 seconds (yes im counting) and nothing is happening
Edit: I'm here clicking refresh every 5 seconds (yes im counting) and nothing is happening
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Tommy Fisher
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Shading Units: 3,328
TMUS: 208
ROPS: 88
Compute Units: 52
L1 Cache: 32 KB (Per CU)
L2 Cache: 4MB
Clock ~ 2.0Ghz
Memory Type: ---
Memory Size: ---
Bus Width: ---
TMUS: 208
ROPS: 88
Compute Units: 52
L1 Cache: 32 KB (Per CU)
L2 Cache: 4MB
Clock ~ 2.0Ghz
Memory Type: ---
Memory Size: ---
Bus Width: ---
Handy Fake
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xool
Member
2019 won't have hdmi 2.1 .. but nether will/does anyone else .. devs will still be building for the old tech (not variable refresh rate)
So they should be fine. By the end of next gen things may be different.
ANIMAL1975
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OK we need experts asap!
By the way Tommy, is that the CU total count, or already the enabled?
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Aceofspades
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THE:MILKMAN
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I assume that is the active CUs so 13.3TF. But this sounds really power hungry and expensive. I'm going to need something more tangible to start truly believing.
chemical boy
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PS5 is going to be a beast.
ANIMAL1975
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13.3TF PS5
Shit
TLZ
we are still 0.9tf short, i hope that is not the final specs for your sake
Tommy Fisher
Aceofspades
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Specs are beastly, what are you talking about. 13TF Navi is beyond great
THE:MILKMAN
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Tommy, could I ask you if you are confident enough to state PS5 isn't GDDR6?
bitbydeath
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Did something change to make this final or are you just reiterating?
Tommy Fisher
Banned
RTX 2080 Super level of performance in a $499 Box for late 2020 is beyound incredible IMO!
ANIMAL1975
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What about the rest guys, L cache, ROPS, TMUS,....
Tommy Fisher
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haha, as i said before i won't tell anything memory-wise
Agnostic2020
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Hey tommy . ps5 and xsx are both 52 active cu?
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ANIMAL1975
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I'm team 14.2 in the poll... What the heck are you talking about.
THE:MILKMAN
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Fair enough.... but won't tell or don't know (like everyone else it seems)?
What confuses me is that this mystery RAM must be in the dev kit and be detailed in the developer documents and it has been out for 8 months. How is it possible that hasn't been leaked?
ANIMAL1975
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What about the other numbers guys, L cache, ROPS, TMUS, shader units... What do you think of them?
FranXico
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Devkit must have a certain setup, and documents specify that it is not representative of the final version. I guess.
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Agnostic2020
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Yea my dream case was also 11 Navi TF lol . My dream shall be exceeded for the first time in long time . I ain’t complaining haha
megreotsugua
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Hey Tommy, is there a chance that you don't know the full picture and that they have occulted some things from you?
THE:MILKMAN
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I really think at this point the dev kit is very representative of final given how far and wide it has been distributed and how long its been out (8 months) and to quote Cerny 'so that game creators will have the time they need to adjust to its capabilities'.
Tommy Fisher
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Possible but i don't think so :-?
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