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[xrnzaaas]

I wish polyphony was as prolific as Turn 10. These dudes get these games out there at a good clip.

I wish there was some middle ground. Only one Gran Turismo this generation is not enough (especially considering it didn't offer a lot of content on launch), but Turn 10 & Playground aren't great either because of mass-releasing their games built on pretty much the same foundations. It's not that visible with Horizon thanks to new locations (and seasons in FH4), but it definitely is with Motorsport. The biggest upgrade was probably adding proper 4K support in FM7, but the rest was mostly selling the same product again with limited brand new content.

 

[lem0n]

It's probably still on the same shit engine with the same shit lighting and same 700 cars we've had since FM4 plus whatever new cars+DLC Horizon 4 had. Their recipe is so tired. The Motorsport series needs a serious refresh. I hope the new one is good however.

 

[Bernkastel]

[link removed][it was just adaptive controller talk]

 

[Revas]

Are they attempting to model sophisticated modern drivetrains like the ones in the GTR or NSX? It's disappointing that thus far console sims have largely avoided trying to mimic the advancements in how modern sportscars handle.

 

[AGRacing]

Of all the threads to post this in, you picked a Forza thread that doesn't even have bald marines in it.

Cancel your internet subscription.

 

[Arkam]

I just hope this one has a Zero Carbon Footprint race series where its all EVs that have been charged via Solar or Wind.

 

[LostDonkey]

I just hope this one has a Zero Carbon Footprint race series where its all EVs that have been charged via Solar or Wind.

 

[JLB]

Please let this still be a couple years away. Please don't force this to match the Scarlett launch and fix all the odds and ends before launch instead of a year after launch this time.

Forza 8 was supposed to be released last year. They have one additional year than previous releases.

 

[Vawn]

Ugh. Still limited by the 2013 1TF Xbox One. I wonder when we will see a true next-gen racing game.

 

[Fox Mulder]

I loved Forza for like a decade but it really got stale this gen. Forza 5 cut content and features from Forza 4 that still haven’t returned. The career is still the same boring thing and the actual motorsports racing is pretty shallow compared to competitors. But they added like a million stupid cosmetic costumes.

I went over to Gran Turismo Sport but I really hope T10 bring it with all the extra dev time.

 

[Mod of War]

I see buthurt sony fanboys in this thread wich is funny that they can still talk about Forza after all the reviews, graphics and sales talk that they lost lol. Keep fighting, one day you will have a game close to Forza so you can atleast have a decent job at defending it till death.

I find this post ironic. Not in the sense that what your saying is wrong, console warring and all that, but you have been in the racing graphics OT reporting posts for the very thing you are doing here.

I even did you a solid and lifted your thread ban from that thread early in the New Year.

If you don’t want people console warring in one direction, don’t come in lighting fire to the tires and do the very thing you despise.

Be the change you wish to see here, no?

 

[Bernkastel]

GDC

Game Developers Conference

schedule.gdconf.com

 

[LokusAbriss]

GDC

Game Developers Conference

schedule.gdconf.com

Raytracing might be a big update for Forza Motorsport. Microsoft will definetly push all their new features with FM8. Here is an interesting video on the differences in a racing sim:

 

[Dory16]

I find this post ironic. Not in the sense that what your saying is wrong, console warring and all that, but you have been in the racing graphics OT reporting posts for the very thing you are doing here.

I even did you a solid and lifted your thread ban from that thread early in the New Year.

If you don’t want people console warring in one direction, don’t come in lighting fire to the tires and do the very thing you despise.

Be the change you wish to see here, no?

Just curious, where are your warnings and lecturing to the Sony defence force on this forum, "Mod"?
This is seriously the only "ironic" post you bothered to highlight?

 

[Dory16]

It's probably still on the same shit engine with the same shit lighting and same 700 cars we've had since FM4 plus whatever new cars+DLC Horizon 4 had. Their recipe is so tired. The Motorsport series needs a serious refresh. I hope the new one is good however.

That's right, the same awful all award winning, incontested best driving simulation game of the the decade, such a bore. And only 700 cars? How dare they only offer over twice as many cars as the closest competitor?

 

[Mistershine.]

Ugh. Still limited by the 2013 1TF Xbox One. I wonder when we will see a true next-gen racing game.

Unlikely, it'll probably use an updated FM7 engine on the current systems while the Series X will be running a next gen FM8 engine.

 

[Mod of War]

Just curious, where are your warnings and lecturing to the Sony defence force on this forum, "Mod"?
This is seriously the only "ironic" post you bothered to highlight?

Those are handed out plenty, even reply bans and forums bans too.

I called this person out due to his history and exchanges we had via PM where he promised to not act this way going forward. Mind yours.

 

[Dory16]

Those are handed out plenty, even reply bans and forums bans too.

I called this person out due to his history and exchanges we had via PM where he promised to not act this way going forward. Mind yours.

I stand corrected then.

 

[Mod of War]

I stand corrected then.

As I have said many times in the past. We can’t see everything, so instead of digging in, and doubling down on the “wars” and trolling back, report the blatant posts that are intentionally derailing topics. Adding fuel to the fire makes for one big mess by being a part of the problem and not the solution. Believe me, I know how tempting it is to clap back, just try and not take the bait.

 

[Paiky]

Ugh. Still limited by the 2013 1TF Xbox One. I wonder when we will see a true next-gen racing game.

Forza horizon 2 also came out for the last gen (XBOX 360) and for me the Xbox One version of FH2 looked like a true next gen game at the time

 

[SLB1904]

Forza horizon 2 also came out for the last gen (XBOX 360) and for me the Xbox One version of FH2 looked like a true next gen game at the time

FH2 was made by 2 different teams its not the same code
The only thing they have in common is the name.

 

[Turk1993]

I find this post ironic. Not in the sense that what your saying is wrong, console warring and all that, but you have been in the racing graphics OT reporting posts for the very thing you are doing here.

I even did you a solid and lifted your thread ban from that thread early in the New Year.

If you don’t want people console warring in one direction, don’t come in lighting fire to the tires and do the very thing you despise.

Be the change you wish to see here, no?

Sorry mate, this was started before your warning when i got a argument with some of the guys that posted in the other thread also (you know who im talking about). But like i said in my PM, i apologised, i got carried away and posted that stupid post because those poster where trolling on Forza constantly while ignoring everything bad about GT. But if you saw my second post in here you would know that i didn't wanna start console wars or anyhting. it was just aimed at those posters who constantly post random troll posts about Forza, wich i should have ignored. And after my warning i didn't write anything bad or didn't attack anybody.

Actually, if Kaz/PD screw up big times with nest GT yet again, with all those high performance CPU threads, double digit TF GPU, RT support, tons of high-bandwidth RAM, SSD drive, and what's not, there won't be any excuse at all on the hardware this time around, and I just cannot imagine GT series regaining its former glory ever again.

Yeah i hope not, because competition is good for both franchise's. I like them both and play them both. But the people on GT side (sony fanboys) are only bashing Forza while ignoring all the faults and flaws of GT. They woreship KAZ like hes some god or something.

 

[Bernkastel]

FH2 was made by 2 different teams its not the same code
The only thing they have in common is the name.

Thats because Xbox 360 was PowerPC architecture. XSX is just a Xbox One X with much better specs. You can just scale it down for Xbox One and remove some features like Ray Tracing and other effects. Stop trying to pretend like its rocket science.

 

[SLB1904]

Thats because Xbox 360 was PowerPC architecture. XSX is just a Xbox One X with much better specs. You can just scale it down for Xbox One and remove some features like Ray Tracing and other effects. Stop trying to pretend like its rocket science.

Lol

 

[Tomeru]

Stop snorting glue man

One does not snort glue, pal. One sniffeth it. Please keep a high level of discussion here.

 

[Bernkastel]

Lol

I am not wrong though. Its your fault to believing everything you read in internet. Forza Horizon 2 on Xbox 360 is a port with some sacrifices they made. They need to ignore the port part and just scale it down.
You are not popping your Series X disc into Xbox One. Or do you seriously believe its literally the same game ?

 

[Gavon West]

In all honesty, the fans of the series should determine that, not those who do even play the game. Your opinion almost doesn't count....almost.

Wrong!

His opinion doesnt count. He doesnt play the game. How the hell do you pass judgement in any capacity with no experience or knowledge. I get every one has opinions, doesnt mean their right though. And doesnt mean they should necessarily share them, It saves the world from excessive carbon monoxide and wasting electrolytes. Just putting that out there....

 

[SLB1904]

I am not wrong though. Its your fault to believing everything you read in internet. Forza Horizon 2 on Xbox 360 is a port with some sacrifices they made. They need to ignore the port part and just scale it down.
You are not popping your Series X disc into Xbox One. Or do you seriously believe its literally the same game ?

Lets put this way.
We know next gem will have better cpu and a better gpu.
Lets say you can do 10 npc on screen for next gen. How you going to scale down to 1 npc to fit on xbox one?

Its not just about graphics. Its about destruction and other environment interation.
A lot of people seems to think next will be same with better graphics.
Do you think you can run days gone on ps3?

Games will have to be build with xbone in mind.

My 2 cents tho.

 

[Mod of War]

Sorry mate, this was started before your warning when i got a argument with some of the guys that posted in the other thread also (you know who im talking about). But like i said in my PM, i apologised, i got carried away and posted that stupid post because those poster where trolling on Forza constantly while ignoring everything bad about GT. But if you saw my second post in here you would know that i didn't wanna start console wars or anyhting. it was just aimed at those posters who constantly post random troll posts about Forza, wich i should have ignored. And after my warning i didn't write anything bad or didn't attack anybody.

It's all good. It can get the better of us from time to time which I do understand. This is why I prefer to quote someone more often than not rather than jumping in heavy handed issuing warnings and bans to the accounts. I do take into consideration the post history, and when I quote someone it's usually a reminder since the person does not come off as a full on troll. So no action is taken to their account.

Full on trolls are dealt with heavier, for obvious reasons.

 

[Xenon]

Lets put this way.
We know next gem will have better cpu and a better gpu.
Lets say you can do 10 npc on screen for next gen. How you going to scale down to 1 npc to fit on xbox one?

Its not just about graphics. Its about destruction and other environment interation.
A lot of people seems to think next will be same with better graphics.
Do you think you can run days gone on ps3?

Games will have to be build with xbone in mind.

My 2 cents tho.

While there are some games that may not scale well or even possibly have features Limited by the older Hardware. I don't believe racing will be one of them. Increasing details and and the number of cars is very simple to do. Hell even advanced physic engines can be scaled down.

 

[SLB1904]

While there are some games that may not scale well or even possibly have features Limited by the older Hardware. I don't believe racing will be one of them. Increasing details and and the number of cars is very simple to do. Hell even advanced physic engines can be scaled down.

I dont disagree with you.
Sport games as well.

I just think the notion that 100% of the games are scalable is ridiculous.

Star citizen is one of the examples. You cant scale that game down without compromising.

 

[LokusAbriss]

While there are some games that may not scale well or even possibly have features Limited by the older Hardware. I don't believe racing will be one of them. Increasing details and and the number of cars is very simple to do. Hell even advanced physic engines can be scaled down.

Not really. A good example is Assetto Corsa Competizione. WhileI can play Assetto Corsa in 4k with my i52500k and 1060gtx, ACC is literally unplayable with opponents. Essential physic features are very hard to scale down.

But we really need to wait and see I personally cant wait for info on FM8. I also hope that we get a new lighting engine at least.

 

[Bernkastel]

Lets put this way.
We know next gem will have better cpu and a better gpu.
Lets say you can do 10 npc on screen for next gen. How you going to scale down to 1 npc to fit on xbox one?

Its not just about graphics. Its about destruction and other environment interation.
A lot of people seems to think next will be same with better graphics.
Do you think you can run days gone on ps3?

Games will have to be build with xbone in mind.

My 2 cents tho.

But they are not putting more cars on the screen. Why would you do that in a sim racer ? Read the OP about whats actually new.

 

[SLB1904]

But they are not putting more cars on the screen. Why would you do that in a sim racer ? Read the OP about whats actually new.

Lol nevermind. I got the thread mixed up.

 

[Andodalf]

I wish polyphony was as prolific as Turn 10. These dudes get these games out there at a good clip.

I would say, that both next-gen GT and FM will be truely amazing experiences. Both companys have build a serious foundation and will deliver. Horizon 5 will just be the icing on the cake.

I realize this quote is from a while ago now, but I'd like to point out the Prolific simply refers to the quantity of works produced, not their quality, so the post this was in response to was in no way saying GT or Polyphony doesn't put out great games, just that Turn 10 has been able to produce a greater volume of games, at a consistent frequency.

 

[nkarafo]

Judging from the jump from Forza 4 to Forza 7, the trees will probably look like this now:

 

[Bernkastel]

Forza Motorsport 8 Ray Tracing Will Be A Part Of Next Generation

According to an announcement from Turn 10 Studios, Forza Motorsport 8 ray tracing will be part of a talk being given at the Game Developers' Conference

segmentnext.com

 

[IncognitoPanda]

I don't play these games much so my opinion is nigh-worthless, but they gotta slow down with how they churn these out.

They did skip forza in 2019, so both studios got an extra year. Not saying it's a lot, but they have done what you suggest.

 

[Bernkastel]

They should just use /r/Xbox for next-gen news. Xbox Series X is just the name for one model and not for the whole generation. Anyway, they may reveal Forza Motorsport 8 (although unnamed racing game can be anything) in AMD Financial Day

 

[Turk1993]

They should just use /r/Xbox for next-gen news. Xbox Series X is just the name for one model and not for the whole generation. Anyway, they may reveal Forza Motorsport 8 (although unnamed racing game can be anything) in AMD Financial Day

Man if the article is true, Forza Motorsport 8 is gonna be mind blowing. Its gonna be a true ray tracing showcase on the Series X thats for sure. And Forza Horizon 4 at 4K 120fps is just flexing with the power lol.

 

[Xenon]

I need more than graphics to get me to buy into this series. Give me overhaul of the game design or something. They should also be working on an affordable force-feedback steering wheel

 

[GHG]

I need more than graphics to get me to buy into this series. Give me overhaul of the game design or something. They should also be working on an affordable force-feedback steering wheel

They are not responsible for what the wheel manufacturers do (Fanatec and Thrustmaster) but they are responsible for the shitty feeling force feedback that has plagued the series for donkeys years. It's in dire need of an overhaul, we shouldn't have to use third party plug-ins to get it feeling reasonable.

My biggest wish for the series is that they take the motorsport side more seriously and we can get proper race weekend support, decent AI along with severe punishment for the incessant ramming that goes on in online races. Graphics are not the issue here, the games have looked great enough as it is.

 

[ZywyPL]

Man if the article is true, Forza Motorsport 8 is gonna be mind blowing. Its gonna be a true ray tracing showcase on the Series X thats for sure. And Forza Horizon 4 at 4K 120fps is just flexing with the power lol.

The article sounds waaay too good to be true, it's like they will keep making 900-1080p30 games and all the new tech will just elevate everything to 4K120... The use of VRS instead of motion blur sounds so sick tho, the moment I read it made so perfect sense it's not even funny. And I'm truly skeptical about that cloud-based RT forest demo, even if they will pull that one out, I'm almost certain it'll never see the sunshine just like project Milo, Crackdown 3 initial showcase, and any other tech-demo that has always been shown when launching a new console. I believe in FM8 tho, this thing is already beautiful and runs at native 4K at rock solid 60FPS on X1X already, one can only imagine what they will achieve given 4x more capable system.

 

[JLB]

Just imagine for a second what Turn 10 can do with Ray Tracing and 12TF. They already delivered a 4k locked 60fps on current gen console.

 

[Turk1993]

The article sounds waaay too good to be true, it's like they will keep making 900-1080p30 games and all the new tech will just elevate everything to 4K120... The use of VRS instead of motion blur sounds so sick tho, the moment I read it made so perfect sense it's not even funny. And I'm truly skeptical about that cloud-based RT forest demo, even if they will pull that one out, I'm almost certain it'll never see the sunshine just like project Milo, Crackdown 3 initial showcase, and any other tech-demo that has always been shown when launching a new console. I believe in FM8 tho, this thing is already beautiful and runs at native 4K at rock solid 60FPS on X1X already, one can only imagine what they will achieve given 4x more capable system.

I believe them too, they put a 1080p60fps launch game on a 1.2TF console with jaguar cores. And i play Forza Horizon 4 on pc 4k maxed out and it already looks incredible, with ray tracing enabled T10 and PG will take it to the next level as expected from them. Its gonna look amazing that for sure, just show me some of that ray traced car porn like they did in 2011 at Forza Motorsprt 4 announcement with the label Forza's future wich is really comming now. This is what i expect but now in real time, its the same car model that whe have in game but with ray tracing from 2011

 

[pochepiller2]

I cant understand their obsession with tyre pressure. Just tell me the number of cars please.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Sorry mate, this was started before your warning when i got a argument with some of the guys that posted in the other thread also (you know who im talking about). But like i said in my PM, i apologised, i got carried away and posted that stupid post because those poster where trolling on Forza constantly while ignoring everything bad about GT. But if you saw my second post in here you would know that i didn't wanna start console wars or anyhting. it was just aimed at those posters who constantly post random troll posts about Forza, wich i should have ignored. And after my warning i didn't write anything bad or didn't attack anybody.

Sony and GT fan here (although i owned an Xbox 360 and atleast 2 versions of Forza). Kudos to you for owning up to your initial flamebait post. We soemtimes get carried away (myself included) but its always good to acknolwedge a mistake, own up to it and apologise.
Thing is we want both racing franchises to prosper. There are things that irk me about GT Sport and there are things that irk me about Forza 7. The awesome thing is we get to chose between the two and both seem to be wanting to push on and improve with each iteration.
If it wasn't for me moving places this year, i would have picked up an Xbox One X to go with my PS4 Pro. Also next gen is launching soon so there is another reason to hold onto the cash.

On Topic:

I sincerely hope these features translate well to the controller. I have high hopes for haptic feedback in the controller sticks. Perhaps that would be the game changer this gen.

 

[scalman]

i kinda wish more like next gen on engine on physics on damages on feedback to controller, on feeling from tires from power , not just forza 7 with ray tracing , no i dont want that at all.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Forza Horizon 4 at 120 FPS in 4K. Wow.

 

[Inviusx]

we actually have dynamic track temperatures affecting this all. We have dynamic rubbering in on the track. We actually have a new atmospheric pressure system that accurately has pressure affecting things like air density, affecting aerodynamics and power, as well as the tyre pressure. We have an entire new suspension system with new suspension modelling.

Unnecessary.

Sounds like a fancy way to say "you're car might handle completely differently from race to race and you probably won't understand why".

If this is the kinda shit they are focusing on for FM8 then I am already worried tbh.