Afro Republican
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You probably like the visual style better MGS PS2, I'm talking about the game engine itself. I can easily tell that the Twin Snakes has better textures and is cleaner due to improvements in the engine.
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[Poll] The best Metal Gear Solid game of all time?
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Naked Lunch
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MGS3 is just too good - but for me its MGS1 for the psx. Theres a constant stream of legendary scenes.
Regardless, I love the series to death and replay it all the time from MG1/2, MGS1-V+Peace Walker.
Regardless, I love the series to death and replay it all the time from MG1/2, MGS1-V+Peace Walker.
Bolivar687
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I love all the Kojima-directed games, and I have a very soft spot for MGS4, but it's a toss up between MGS1 and MGS3, with the latter getting my vote since it iterated on everything that made MGS1 great. It's one of the great adventures in gaming and when I replayed Subsistence on Vita (which was awesome), I was surprised how many of the lines I remember.
"This is war, Major. A Cold War. Fought with information and espionage. We must root out spies wherever they hide. It is kill or be killed. Potential threats must be weeded out. Your feelings are a menace to the unity of our organization."
"This is war, Major. A Cold War. Fought with information and espionage. We must root out spies wherever they hide. It is kill or be killed. Potential threats must be weeded out. Your feelings are a menace to the unity of our organization."
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avalonzero
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MGS2 for the story but MGSV for the gameplay.
Aion002
Member
Exactly what I was going to say.
MGS2 has such an interesting story, while MGSV gameplay is amazing.
I think that MGSV has the best gameplay for a TPS so far made.
KOMANI
KOMANI
I definitely do prefer the visual style. I can’t comment on improvements on the engine because i havent played TTS since release and have only seen dolphin emulated runs since then. Our conversation led me to this thread cause I wanted to know TTS’s frame-rate.
Which has better graphics: Sons of Liberty or Twin Snakes?
Those of you technically inclined will likely have more informed posts. Screenshot comparisons: Tanker rain effects Heliport snow effects I feel as if Twin Snakes wasn't truly optimized for the GC console. It uses the same game engine but it doesn't...
From the screen shots I’d have to still say MGS2 looks better graphically, but again, Im going by photos. And people in that thread believe that the frame rate is smoother on MGS2. I think I’m going to pick up a physical copy of TTS, and see for myself. As of right now, I can’t see any advantage the gamecube remake has over the ps2 sequel, but that’s just me. I do think MGS2 looks better than MGS3 as well. Something about the sterile environment and running 60fps looks pleasing.
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From the screen shots I’d have to still say MGS2 looks better graphically, but again, Im going by photos. And people in that thread believe that the frame rate is smoother on MGS2. I think I’m going to pick up a physical copy of TTS, and see for myself. As of right now, I can’t see any advantage the gamecube remake has over the ps2 sequel, but that’s just me. I do think MGS2 looks better than MGS3 as well. Something about the sterile environment and running 60fps looks pleasing.
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PlayStaytion
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Just played the 1st one and I think it's great, among other games that I played it's definitely a game that you don't wanna miss.
bumleforce
Member
isn't twin snakes the remake of meteal gear solid on ps1 that came out on the gamecube? How would the ps1 verion get more votes when the gamecube version was the same game but updated
RAIDEN1
Member
Not only that but why didn't MGS2 and 3 see a release on the Cube? Forget the portables, hell neither did the Wii or Wii U get any further instalments....
Afro Republican
Banned
I definitely do prefer the visual style. I can’t comment on improvements on the engine because i havent played TTS since release and have only seen dolphin emulated runs since then. Our conversation led me to this thread cause I wanted to know TTS’s frame-rate.
Which has better graphics: Sons of Liberty or Twin Snakes?
Those of you technically inclined will likely have more informed posts. Screenshot comparisons: Tanker rain effects Heliport snow effects I feel as if Twin Snakes wasn't truly optimized for the GC console. It uses the same game engine but it doesn't...www.ignboards.com
From the screen shots I’d have to still say MGS2 looks better graphically, but again, Im going by photos. And people in that thread believe that the frame rate is smoother on MGS2. I think I’m going to pick up a physical copy of TTS, and see for myself. As of right now, I can’t see any advantage the gamecube remake has over the ps2 sequel, but that’s just me. I do think MGS2 looks better than MGS3 as well. Something about the sterile environment and running 60fps looks pleasing.
edit: Uploaded better comparison photo
From the screen shots I’d have to still say MGS2 looks better graphically, but again, Im going by photos. And people in that thread believe that the frame rate is smoother on MGS2. I think I’m going to pick up a physical copy of TTS, and see for myself. As of right now, I can’t see any advantage the gamecube remake has over the ps2 sequel, but that’s just me. I do think MGS2 looks better than MGS3 as well. Something about the sterile environment and running 60fps looks pleasing.
Many of your pics have different capture methods.
I think this shows better that Twin Snakes (left) is generally cleaner with better shadows and lighting than MGS2. The modeling is also smoother which is to be expected since the PS2 known for its heavy aliasing in general.
The artstyle of TS however has a sleek flat gradient look though, so you may prefer that less than MGS2's artstyle which doesn't do that and almost does the opposite. I notice a few other GameCubes games have that kind of style, you can even find variations of that style in several Dreamcast games, especially arcade ports.
While TT has better texturing than MGS2 in many areas the artstyle can make that not seem obvious. if you look at say, the top of the shelves behind snake or the two frames around both glass windows, also behind snake, they seem like they are more flat and shaded than textured, where on MGS2 on the right, if you look at the window frame, or those bottom pillars, they aren't as clean or shades, but they seem like they have more texturing that's more in your face, while not having that sleek flat look.
You can also notice this some what with the floors. I can definitely see why someone wouldn't like the artstyle of TT. Although it's much better in motion. The cutscenes are inconsistent though, some are great and some are what?
KOMANI
KOMANI
When you’re referring to the inconsistent cutscenes, you’re still talking about graphics?Many of your pics have different capture methods.
I think this shows better that Twin Snakes (left) is generally cleaner with better shadows and lighting than MGS2. The modeling is also smoother which is to be expected since the PS2 known for its heavy aliasing in general.
The artstyle of TS however has a sleek flat gradient look though, so you may prefer that less than MGS2's artstyle which doesn't do that and almost does the opposite. I notice a few other GameCubes games have that kind of style, you can even find variations of that style in several Dreamcast games, especially arcade ports.
While TT has better texturing than MGS2 in many areas the artstyle can make that not seem obvious. if you look at say, the top of the shelves behind snake or the two frames around both glass windows, also behind snake, they seem like they are more flat and shaded than textured, where on MGS2 on the right, if you look at the window frame, or those bottom pillars, they aren't as clean or shades, but they seem like they have more texturing that's more in your face, while not having that sleek flat look.
You can also notice this some what with the floors. I can definitely see why someone wouldn't like the artstyle of TT. Although it's much better in motion. The cutscenes are inconsistent though, some are great and some are what?
Afro Republican
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There were some unique properties on the PS2 that are hard to replicate on the Gamecube. Some of MGS2 uses the PS2 hardware for certain features and effects for the engine. This is likely why The Twin Snakes exists in the first place, to make up for a lack of MGS2. The amount of time and effort to figure it out wasn't worth it for Konami.
For the Xbox however, it had an architecture with depth that made it easier to deal with, and any discrepancies could be resolved via software through it's raw power. As for the Twin Snakes, Kojimas poor excuse for excluding i from the Wii U, and the PS3/360 collections is because it's not canon, though it's just a remake from the first game. I'm not sure that game will ever be released again at this point.
Afro Republican
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KOMANI
KOMANI
Ah, so like the intro with the colonel in the submarine for example (before Snake’s appearance)
Afro Republican
Banned
If you're talking about the intro to TS yes. But there are several cutscenes that look great in the game and some that look very rough like that picture of Otacon guy posted above, there are cutscenes where he looks better and the hair is more detailed.
To be fair this is also true for MGS2, but the gaps in quality are more random and larger in TS than in MGS2 where there are some cutscenes that aren't too good, but the good cutscenes aren't 300 miles better.
KOMANI
KOMANI
No, because the only reason I’m asking is because the complaint you hear about the cutscenes is never that graphically they’re inconsistent but rather they’re bombastic. But you’re right, some TTS cutscenes do seem uglier than others.
chaseroni
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Peace Walker is just one of those games that's a joy to come back to, I've been playing again in 4k on RPCS3 and man, what a great game.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Too many kids on here that were too young to play MGS, the first MGS, when it was FIRST RELEASED.
It was mindblowing at the time on PS1. A real landmark release.
That being said, MGS3 is the best of the series, a perfectly distilled vision of MG at its finest.
MGS4 was shit, so boring and poor art direction.
It was mindblowing at the time on PS1. A real landmark release.
That being said, MGS3 is the best of the series, a perfectly distilled vision of MG at its finest.
MGS4 was shit, so boring and poor art direction.
#Phonepunk#
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this reminds me i need to get a copy of Twin Snakes. the only one i haven't played yet.
MafiaMurderBag
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sid2vicious
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Easily Metal Gear Solid 2, it had the best story of the bunch. Metal Gear Solid 3 was literally Ninja Scroll on Acid.
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Foamy
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I started playing MGSV after getting it from Games with Gold and I found the controls horrible. There's just no excuse for that these days.
Don't think I'll be playing it again.
Don't think I'll be playing it again.
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Poordevil
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I voted MGS3. Not only the best Metal Gear game, but among the best games I have ever played. Excellent designed bosses and boss fights, the best ever done. Excellent gameplay between boss fights, the action and pacing. I loved the outside environments. One of the few games I ever played that hooked me early and kept me mesmerized from beginning to end.
TLZ
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Psajdak
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That TTS pic is from emulator with higher resolution.Many of your pics have different capture methods.
I think this shows better that Twin Snakes (left) is generally cleaner with better shadows and lighting than MGS2. The modeling is also smoother which is to be expected since the PS2 known for its heavy aliasing in general.
The artstyle of TS however has a sleek flat gradient look though, so you may prefer that less than MGS2's artstyle which doesn't do that and almost does the opposite. I notice a few other GameCubes games have that kind of style, you can even find variations of that style in several Dreamcast games, especially arcade ports.
While TT has better texturing than MGS2 in many areas the artstyle can make that not seem obvious. if you look at say, the top of the shelves behind snake or the two frames around both glass windows, also behind snake, they seem like they are more flat and shaded than textured, where on MGS2 on the right, if you look at the window frame, or those bottom pillars, they aren't as clean or shades, but they seem like they have more texturing that's more in your face, while not having that sleek flat look.
You can also notice this some what with the floors. I can definitely see why someone wouldn't like the artstyle of TT. Although it's much better in motion. The cutscenes are inconsistent though, some are great and some are what?
ExpandKong
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Afro Republican
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Afro Republican
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Uhhh no.
SA Gamer | South African Gaming Community
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Site hosts direct captures. TTS looks much better than that on an Emulator because you can make more textures visible on those flat surfaces.
Psajdak
Banned
TTS doesn't have that kind of resolution on Gamecube.Uhhh no.
SA Gamer | South African Gaming Community
Site hosts direct captures. TTS looks much better than that on an Emulator because you can make more textures visible on those flat surfaces.
Btw, I myself played TTS on emulator (cause better resolution, and framerate), but native resolution is 624x480.
RokkanStoned
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MGS1>MGS3>MGS2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>others
MGS1 kept things in check, didn't try to overly convolute things and was on point in terms of its themes and message. Music was awesome and the game just felt like this perfectly balanced somewhat cheesy 90s action/thriller. MGS2 and MGS3 weakened the sense of realism a bit, but had big jumps in terms of gameplay, albeit that also changed the nature of how you played the game. MGS2 was really narratively ambitious and MGS3 was a great cold war style 007 tribute, although both had various flaws that made the execution a bit weaker than MGS1.
MGS1 kept things in check, didn't try to overly convolute things and was on point in terms of its themes and message. Music was awesome and the game just felt like this perfectly balanced somewhat cheesy 90s action/thriller. MGS2 and MGS3 weakened the sense of realism a bit, but had big jumps in terms of gameplay, albeit that also changed the nature of how you played the game. MGS2 was really narratively ambitious and MGS3 was a great cold war style 007 tribute, although both had various flaws that made the execution a bit weaker than MGS1.
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Disrespectful listing Metal Gear Rising as "other Metal Gear related game". lol
Urprobablyright
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For me it will always be MGS2, but my reasons are subjective. I had played MGS and had my mind blown by it, but that only served to pave the way for my mind being simply rearranged by everything MGS2 was.
In a broader context it surely heralded the graphics style that almost all "good graphics" games draw ancestry from to this day. Watch the game from start to finish and you are going to be watching unprecedented graphics the entire time. Obviously later games overtook it, but it paved the way. Sharp textures, subtle colours, detailed models, heaps of enoturage in every level, real time realistic shadows, weather effects of great style, great futuristic art direction and hud display, joyous profusion of easter eggs... Animated 3D portaits in the radio interface... Just everything.
It was still entirely concerned with creeping and infiltration.
Great story, characters.
Great gameplay flourishes (escorting Emma for instance)
I could go on but i would probably become conspicuously attentive to my phone at my desk here.
It was just so really great.
Loved them all, obviously.
In a broader context it surely heralded the graphics style that almost all "good graphics" games draw ancestry from to this day. Watch the game from start to finish and you are going to be watching unprecedented graphics the entire time. Obviously later games overtook it, but it paved the way. Sharp textures, subtle colours, detailed models, heaps of enoturage in every level, real time realistic shadows, weather effects of great style, great futuristic art direction and hud display, joyous profusion of easter eggs... Animated 3D portaits in the radio interface... Just everything.
It was still entirely concerned with creeping and infiltration.
Great story, characters.
Great gameplay flourishes (escorting Emma for instance)
I could go on but i would probably become conspicuously attentive to my phone at my desk here.
It was just so really great.
Loved them all, obviously.
Afro Republican
Banned
Don't be mad at me be mad at Kojima lol.
Psajdak
Banned
To be honest, it is just hard for me to decide on best Metal Gear ever, even if each new game improved in some way compared to the previous one.
I guess I could say that MGS1 is most iconic one, IMO, but all of them are just so good, and such a great experience, that it is impossible to choose.
I guess I could say that MGS1 is most iconic one, IMO, but all of them are just so good, and such a great experience, that it is impossible to choose.
Knot3D
Member
MGS3 Subsistence wins.
I haven't played MGS V Phantom Pain though.
On a sidenote, people often tout MGS2 as the hallmark of PS2 graphics, visual style and character model realism.
Well, even though I did give Raiden a fair chance way back when MGS2 released, his character model has always looked absurd to me.
Shinkawa and Kojima can wave the MGS2 document and anatomy character studies all day long at me,
but no one can tell me Raiden's character model makes sense, anatomy-wise or in context of "realistic style".
Because, I finally bothered to download the Raiden character model, and as a character artist I must say the
proportions and even the way of poly modeling are so incredibly warped....it's asbsurd;
The gigantic wide hips, the tiny wasp waist, the overly anime styled face etc. (even the little biceps bulge to the side is nonsense)
I did a quick edit on the model to show how the original compares to what I think would be a more reasonable model, even in context of MGS2's stylized "realism" visuals.
Front
Rear
Faces (hooray, a proper jawline and actual facial structure)
Perspective view
I haven't played MGS V Phantom Pain though.
On a sidenote, people often tout MGS2 as the hallmark of PS2 graphics, visual style and character model realism.
Well, even though I did give Raiden a fair chance way back when MGS2 released, his character model has always looked absurd to me.
Shinkawa and Kojima can wave the MGS2 document and anatomy character studies all day long at me,
but no one can tell me Raiden's character model makes sense, anatomy-wise or in context of "realistic style".
Because, I finally bothered to download the Raiden character model, and as a character artist I must say the
proportions and even the way of poly modeling are so incredibly warped....it's asbsurd;
The gigantic wide hips, the tiny wasp waist, the overly anime styled face etc. (even the little biceps bulge to the side is nonsense)
I did a quick edit on the model to show how the original compares to what I think would be a more reasonable model, even in context of MGS2's stylized "realism" visuals.
Front
Rear
Faces (hooray, a proper jawline and actual facial structure)
Perspective view
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KOMANI
KOMANI
He was made to look androgynous. The “bicep bumbs” are probably his lateral triceps.MGS3 Subsistence wins.
I haven't played MGS V Phantom Pain though.
On a sidenote, people often tout MGS2 as the hallmark of PS2 graphics, visual style and character model realism.
Well, even though I did give Raiden a fair chance way back when MGS2 released, his character model has always looked absurd to me.
Shinkawa and Kojima can wave the MGS2 document and anatomy character studies all day long at me,
but no one can tell me Raiden's character model makes sense, anatomy-wise or in context of "realistic style".
Because, I finally bothered to download the Raiden character model, and as a character artist I must say the
proportions and even the way of poly modeling are so incredibly warped....it's asbsurd;
The gigantic wide hips, the tiny wasp waist, the overly anime styled face etc. (even the little biceps bulge to the side is nonsense)
I did a quick edit on the model to show how the original compares to what I think would be a more reasonable model, even in context of MGS2's stylized "realism" visuals.
Front
Rear
Faces (hooray, a proper jawline and actual facial structure)
Perspective view
turtlepowa
Banned
Metal Gear NES. No weird Kojima stuff, just a great game.
Knot3D
Member
He doesn't even look androgynous - he looks alien.
Even in 2001 graphics context, there is no excuse for this sort of warped character models.
Salmon Snake
Member
Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence
All hail free camera control!
Also the jungle caution theme ❤
All hail free camera control!
Also the jungle caution theme ❤
Porcile
Member
MGS3 Subsistence wins.
I haven't played MGS V Phantom Pain though.
On a sidenote, people often tout MGS2 as the hallmark of PS2 graphics, visual style and character model realism.
Well, even though I did give Raiden a fair chance way back when MGS2 released, his character model has always looked absurd to me.
Shinkawa and Kojima can wave the MGS2 document and anatomy character studies all day long at me,
but no one can tell me Raiden's character model makes sense, anatomy-wise or in context of "realistic style".
Because, I finally bothered to download the Raiden character model, and as a character artist I must say the
proportions and even the way of poly modeling are so incredibly warped....it's asbsurd;
The gigantic wide hips, the tiny wasp waist, the overly anime styled face etc. (even the little biceps bulge to the side is nonsense)
I did a quick edit on the model to show how the original compares to what I think would be a more reasonable model, even in context of MGS2's stylized "realism" visuals.
Front
Rear
Faces (hooray, a proper jawline and actual facial structure)
Perspective view
Thicc neck Raiden. Looks looks like he's been hitting the 'roids judging by that rage face too.