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Spencer on Why There Are No Xbox Series X Exclusives: We’re Putting the Player at the Center
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GriffinCorp
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I feel like I"m in the same boat. I have been planning to get the next Xbox but I fine myself leaning back towards Sony. I have all the consoles but I really wanted to pick one and just deal with it this time around. So far I have been on board with all of Microsoft's promises on the Series X, but I'm losing confidence that this might be another round of PR.
Slings and Arrows
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I agree. If we look at the end of the 360 life cycle, Microsoft should have released a console in 2011/2012 and not bothered with Kinect. They would have cut the legs off of Sony and Sony wouldn't have had time to recuperate the losses they incurred with the PS3. Microsoft stalled then, when they should have been aggressive and look what it has cost them
1st bolded: Is there any evidence of this? I'll even believe strong industry rumour, but with the line-up of games this year, mirroring the final year of the PS3 - before the launch of the PS4 - I find that rumour particularly hard to swallow.
2nd bolded: I strongly disagree. Microsoft may want that message, but that certainly isn't the message as it stands today. It wasn't the message with Xbone either, as they pumped more money in to Kinect integration, NFL rights and TV deals than they did in to the hardware of the Xbone.
Microsoft haven't had a clear message or clear direction/leadership since Moore and it's reflected in the games. Yep, the fanboy cliché/trope of "Microsoft have no games" may be hyperbole, as they do indeed have some exclusives, but the amount and level of quality is simply shocking. Even the staples of Halo, Forza and Gears have fallen by the wayside. With the exception of Forza, gamers have reacted negatively to Gears 4, 5 and Halo 5. Indeed, the best iteration of Halo this gen was the MCC, which had a terrible reception and took years for it to be in decent order. To say the Outer Worlds is Microsofts best exclusive in years, says quite a lot and I thoroughly enjoyed Outer Worlds.
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1) Nope, purely the rumors. I should've put that in brackets after it.
2) I agree this wasn't the message with the original Xbox One, but that changed for me with the One X and XSX. They are clearly planning on delivering the most powerful console at the moment. Game wise indeed the past Gen was lacking. I expect this to change current gen with all the studios they have bought.
DunDunDunpachi
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If all players are "at the center", then it means Xbox gamers are at the center, too. Got'em. Tier 1 countries. Premium console with a premium experience.
Slings and Arrows
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1) If it's rumours, they usually stem from somewhere and with how 2018,2019 and 2020 shaped up, it doe slook like Sony ahd a 'slack' 12 months in their time table that they have had to make up for.
2) I agree. Gamepass, the Elite pad and the X are three great things from Microsof this gen. Hopefully they continue on this path but they really need to get their arse in gear and return to unique Microsoft-esque games as they are severely lacking in that department. Though, to be fair to Microsoft, only Sony, out of all of the developers, have really delivered on games this gen. Even third parties have either ruined franchises (Bethesda, Blizzard) or have not shown up at all (R*).
So... super beat Sony and Nintendo to the market i.e. rinse and repeat the Xbox 360? Financially Xbox 360 was a disaster from what we can tell.
That was basically the strategy of the Xbox 360, the original Xbox was released in 2001, lost billions... they thought if they released early 2005, they would get the market. Here comes Nintendo with its two Gamecubes duct taped together with a stupid controller... took the market.
The issue is during the good years (really so so years) Microsoft couldn't make money at this, which is why the MS top people were saying Xbox needed the axe including Gates.
Bill Gates to Microsoft: Spin Off Xbox If You Want, Don't Sell Bing
Bill Gates to Microsoft: Spin Off Xbox If You Want, Don't Sell Bing
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Of course, I don't know how you spin off Xbox unless it was spun off as a traditional publisher.
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Slings and Arrows
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So... super beat Sony and Nintendo to the market i.e. rinse and repeat the Xbox 360? Financially Xbox 360 was a disaster from what we can tell.
That was basically the strategy of the Xbox 360, the original Xbox was released in 2001, lost billions... they thought if they released early 2005, they would get the market. Here comes Nintendo with its two Gamecubes duct taped together with a stupid controller... took the market.
The issue is during the good years (really so so years) Microsoft couldn't make money at this, which is why the MS top people were saying Xbox needed the axe including Gates.
Bill Gates to Microsoft: Spin Off Xbox If You Want, Don't Sell Bing
Bill Gates to Microsoft: Spin Off Xbox If You Want, Don't Sell Bing
Of course, I don't know how you spin off Xbox unless it was spun off as a traditional publisher.
That's not entirely fair to Microsoft. The Wii was a lightning in a bottle console that took no real market share from Microsoft or Sony, as Wii owners either owned a Wii, some Wii fit games and no other consoles, or a Wii and a 360/ps3. Remember the names floating around forums were; Wii60 owner, Pswii owner of PSWii60 owner. Everyone had a Wii (apart from me, because it was shit)
Microsoft lost market share and money, when they released the Kinect to compete with the Wii, which wasn't a clever move. They tried creating a bridge to migrate Wii owner to the 360, not realising what kind of customer owned a Wii.
The OG xbox lost a load of money because it was the first console they released. The 360 may have lost some money, but to blame it on the Wii isn't fair.
Microsoft should have stayed true to their original message of powerful console, great games and released the Xbox 3, in 2012. Sony were on their arse all of last generation and rolled the dice in 2014, it payed off, mainly because Microsoft were no competition. Imagine releasing a powerful console in 2010/11; Sony would have been in more trouble than they are, Microsoft could have waited until 2018 to release the next console, under-cutting Sony again.
Microsoft only have Microsoft to blame for failings or dropping of profits during the 360 days and this entire generation. If they had kept on the road that Allard built and that Moore navigated perfectly, they would be dominating the console industry.
Dontspeakforme
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I don’t see myself getting new consoles at launch unless previous gen controllers work on them and there is a good deal on trade ins.
alabtrosMyster
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I am fairly sure is that they plan to offer a single binary package with different supported performance profiles for the CPU/GPU of different machines. There is a certain level of scaling they can do with that, similar to what a PC game will let you do in its graphics settings (I suspect they store different .ini files for each profile, or something to that effect)... This allows for a wide range of scaling across different platforms, but in the end you could still have many games that run at or below 720p with sub 30fps (I mean, pretty constant sub 30), or games that have a decent resolution for xbone s, but where the lighting and particle effects are turned wayyyyy down so that the machine has a bit of breathing room, however for CPU bound scaling the options are more limited, uness you plan on offering a game that plays entirely differently depending on the hardware you have (dumber AI? physics that aren't as precise? whatever else that is dependent on the CPU calculating logic).
So my assumption is that there will not be second teams to "down port" as this is supposed to be a single package, distributed to every platform at once. This is also why people think their games will be held up by the cross gen mandate.
As far as exclusives, no matter where you play an xbox 1st party game, MS is probably making money from you. I don't think they can be anymore clear, play the games you own wherever you can, assuming the other party allows it. You can disagree with it but that's the plan they seem to be going with. They just want as many people in their ecosystem as possible. And if you say its pc, then they are probably fine with a pc player because overall, as a company, they make a fuck ton pc users from more than just games.
It has nothing to do with the Wii, if the Wii wouldn't have existed and they sold another 40m units, they would have been even further into the mega red. This is why all the top people at MS were saying to get rid of Xbox, its a loser business. Coming out a year early especially during the financial crisis or closer to it wouldn't have helped.
Even Satya Nadella has basically admitted this (why are we in this business?), he has basically said it about all of MS's consumer products... which is why their basically gone.
Microsoft CEO Struggle Report: Elop Would Sell Xbox
Image Source: Stephen Elop, via Guardian Nokia’s former boss would like to see Microsoft become a software and services company. Stephen Elop, one of the contenders to replace Steve Ballmer as Microsoft’s CEO, would sell the Xbox division if appointed, according to unnamed Bloomberg sources...
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Microsoft Loses $2 Billion Per Year On Xbox, Analyst Says
Microsoft Loses $2 Billion Per Year On Xbox, Analyst Says Analyst Rick Sherlund believes that staggering losses on the Xbox business are being masked by Android royalties. It's hard to make money making game consoles but the assumption, as I understand it, is that if a company can power...
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Even during the so called golden years, Microsoft is not good at this.... heck I love the original Xbox and Xbox 360 years (2001-2009), they were great as my experience, but the reality is the business is not good at all and never was.
All this "services" stuff is going to make the Xbone look like the good years, imo, it isn't going to work... just like everyone said about the MS Store and UWP, but they won't listen.
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TheTechnician
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thats the stupidity with that PR Talk - now Xbox X could be double as powerfull as PS5 - since its games must also run on fucking Xbone One its games will allways will be from lesser detail, Scope and even graphics compared to PS5s exclusives.
I sometimes thought that Sony must have a Person up there in Xbox Department. Some kind of double Agent. The last one was realy succesfull one must admit.
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Edit: Sorry I misread the article.
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Fun Fanboy
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All good. PlayStation fans will be doing the same when those PS5 exclusives hit PC.
Defending a complete lack of free speech to avoid one narrative you disagree with? Are you daft?
Anyway, this kind of corporate spin makes me less and less likely to buy an X. Either say the blunt truth of say nothing at all Phil.
All good. PlayStation fans will be doing the same when those PS5 exclusives hit PC.
If Sony were releasing a huge GaaS game like a Destiny clone (cough Halo Infinite) at this time, they would probably have to release it for on multiple systems and/or PC. I mean Destiny 1 released on 4 systems at once and even than the returns were not great. I don't think that is troubling part, the troubling part is they are releasing it on PC via the MS Store. Which is what I have been saying that they're not going to get users or sales off the MS Store. So, you have say roughly 1 billion users available that have the MS Store already installed that aren't buying software from it.
I would say this is hinting (or could hint) they don't believe MS Store will ever have users andor could indicate that Xbox as a Hardware sales are not that important going forward. They need users but they have to go where the users are.... but Satya wants them to be the middleman i.e.. services. If Microsoft was a traditional publisher, these wouldn't be issues... you just release Halo Infinite on any platform you think generates you the numbers PS4, PS5, Xbox1, Steam, etc.
This is all causing Phil to not make much sense.
MS needs 10s of millions of buyers/spenders for Halo Infinite... the problem is they have a very limited install base, and there is no way to put them on another system with the whole services thing, not really.
MS needs a super size install base and they refuse to go to the traditional publisher route because they actually think this services thing makes sense still in gaming.
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One of the biggest mind boggles of gaming for the past 10+ years is exactly how bad Microsoft screwed up on PC. From GFWL to the awful, awful storefronts and beyond. If they would have embraced PC gaming from the get-go, they could have such a huge presence on the platform right now. Instead, they've gone to selling on Steam which is great for me and other gamers, but you'd have to assume worse than if they would have built a proper PC ecosystem from the start.
Again, as a mostly PC gamer, this news from Phil is great, but I admit I'd be a little pissed if I really bought into the Xbox platform that they just don't give a fuck about exclusives anymore.
Again, as a mostly PC gamer, this news from Phil is great, but I admit I'd be a little pissed if I really bought into the Xbox platform that they just don't give a fuck about exclusives anymore.
Jigsaah
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Well you folks seem convinced.
Anybody care to argue that maybe when he's mentioning exclusives he's referring to first party titles? Anybody wanna make note that he also said he's not trying to dictate what 3rd parties do?
He also acknowledges that doing things this way allows developers to still make money from selling games to people who own the X and the S. That's not spin....it's simply common sense. More players who can buy the games means more money for the developers.
The unwarranted vitriol for xbox is really just embarassing at this point. It really takes GAF down a notch in the intelligence department.
Try having an independent thought once in a while, biases aside. Sheep.
Anybody care to argue that maybe when he's mentioning exclusives he's referring to first party titles? Anybody wanna make note that he also said he's not trying to dictate what 3rd parties do?
He also acknowledges that doing things this way allows developers to still make money from selling games to people who own the X and the S. That's not spin....it's simply common sense. More players who can buy the games means more money for the developers.
The unwarranted vitriol for xbox is really just embarassing at this point. It really takes GAF down a notch in the intelligence department.
Try having an independent thought once in a while, biases aside. Sheep.
Business
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Paid online makes me wish Microsoft never entered the console space.
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What is the blunt truth?
He won't say so I don't know. But I am 99.9999999999999999999999999% certain MS never had a high level executive meeting, wherein the powers that be said we will not develop 1st party games that only work on next generation to put players at the center. The decision was made for financial reasons IMO.
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Or both? Why can't it just be both... Good for them financially AND good for consumers.
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Well, I think that is part of the issue, the large publishers really have no need of the closed eco-systems without solid numbers, and they also to a degree have an incentive for the MS Store to fail. They all have their own storefronts, subscriptions and services. Obviously the hardware is not really a priority which is going to be noticed by the large publishers.
The hardware has to be sacrificed at some level, the people buying consoles don't want to hear that - just because they're producing a console doesn't mean they really care about it medium to long term.
The hardware numbers will shrink and maybe drastically.
Xbox boss Phil Spencer convinced Microsoft to stay in the gaming industry
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You guys are lucky your Xbones connect to XBL at this point, Satya wanted to cut the whole fucking thing, just like everyone else up top at Microsoft wanted to do. For Microsoft to continue in gaming, Phil has to gain service revenue.. the fucking console is just a piece of worthless plastic to Satya otherwise.
I'm not sure how many different ways they have to say it but they really don't care that much for plastic, they're doing it because they would like to have you transition over to being a service customer... but that is about it.
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Grinchy
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On a smaller scale, it reminds me of when Sony was saying that controller rumble was a last gen feature because they were being sued and couldn't include it in the PS3 controllers. On some level, we have to understand that these companies have to spin the bad news.
But, just as Sony was correctly criticized for saying that stupid shit, Microsoft should be criticized for this. They are launching a next-gen system without having any next-gen software ready for at least a year. It's one of the most amateur moves any console manufacturer has ever made.
But, just as Sony was correctly criticized for saying that stupid shit, Microsoft should be criticized for this. They are launching a next-gen system without having any next-gen software ready for at least a year. It's one of the most amateur moves any console manufacturer has ever made.
TBiddy
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free speech? What are you on about? It has nothing to do with disagreement. It’s outright lying and trolling at this point.
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You said a bunch of nonsensical shit, then said phill is full of shit.
Seems he’s not the only one full of shit in this thread.
“PlayStation” is reluctant to upset the fanboys.Wherever... as long as it is not on a PlayStation, they have cooties
That’s. Their strategy. Satisfy the fanboys and their all good.
If Sony would allow Gamepass on PS4/5 Microsoft would put it there.
You said a bunch of nonsensical shit, then said phill is full of shit.
Seems he’s not the only one full of shit in this thread.
I'm still not sure what you don't understand, apparently a lot.
Why would a closed system maker allow a competing store or the ability to by-pass the store on their device for third party apps/games, of course they would put it there, I'm sure they would love to put their own store on iOS, or Nintendo devices, etc. How about Microsoft allows me full access to the Xbox and I can just sell people games through my storefront?
What you are suggesting makes no sense.
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Sorry, I don’t understand dumb shit.
I’m not suggesting anything: you suggested that dumb shit.
I simply said. Microsoft is attempting to put games where people who play games are.
Same as any other video game publisher.
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The irony of you calling me dumb shit and you are obviously unaware how any of this works. Its called royalty fees.
They can! Which is why Minecraft is on PS4, Switch, iOS, etc.
Minecraft - PS4 Games | PlayStation
Buy Minecraft on PlayStation Store. Build anything you can imagine or go on grand expeditions across mysterious lands and into the depths of your own infinite worlds.
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Code for we got nothin.
redfirm
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SPENCER, JUST FUCKING SAY YOU WANT TO CONTROL THE INFRASTRUCTURE, NOT THE ENDPOINT. this is such a bullshit statement. they have azure, so ofcourse they dont care where you play, as long as you play. their long term goal is to make you pay for the highway usage, not the one time payment you make for your car.
Dial it back on the, "it's okay when we do it" Meta blinders of fanboy hypocrisy in here and get back on the subject of the content, not the people.
You know who you are. Thank you.
You know who you are. Thank you.
Panajev2001a
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The fanboys that are "fanboys" in the first place because it has the best overall library generation after generation?
How do they keep from upsetting these "fanboys"? By continuing to invest in making the best AAA games?
I have to agree - that IS their strategy. It's a damn good one too.
And, of course, Microsoft would put their store, subscription service on PlayStation. Why wouldn't they? They'd be getting the money from PlayStation gamers instead of Sony on Sony's own platform. Now why the hell would Sony allow that?
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Gamernyc78
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Oh look another thread predicting doom n gloom for the Xbox. In other news, the sun came up today. Calm down. It's going to be fine.
Bro I'm not a big Xbox fan but I kind of like tht thy have diff approaches and hate the more thy end up being the same. Low price game pass and putting your games every where, hey I don't mind it. The same way I dint mind Sony's single player, new ip pushes and VR. Gives us diff options.
Gavon West
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More like; I'm too dense to realize that I have options to play games on Xbox including the most powerful console on the market. I just like to ignore basic shit unless its in crayon.
Justin9mm
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Microsoft are the kings of PR bullshit and everyone believes them every time, no one ever learns. You should be seeing this coming. Regardless of the box being more powerful or not than PS5.. Unless you are loyal to the same few recurring exclusives they put out year after year, they still won't have the games. Their first priority is their services not the games. Sony knows that games is what makes them the front running console and they know that it is most important to keep that as the focus. I have an X and a Pro, I'll be ditching the Xbox once I have the PS5.
Justin9mm
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Oh we got a fanboy here lol
FWIW I have an X and a Pro and Microsoft fuckin sucks.. You have to look at the whole package. Yeah the X plays games better, GamePass is alright, that's about it.
Some people can own both brands and know which one is better without being loyally blind to one
DeepEnigma
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Staying salty over logo hype bigger than the fridge reveal.
That logo did its job causing it to live in everyone’s mind. Rent. Free.
brap
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lmao you wish. just because you want it to happen dont mean it will.All good. PlayStation fans will be doing the same when those PS5 exclusives hit PC.
Its kind of funny, people say I'm an anti-MS (whatever that may mean) out here, and I probably have more fucking Microsoft devices stacked up than they can dream of, many of them they probably never heard of.
For me personally, I can't say I wouldn't buy a Microsoft game or anything, heck, if they compete and make a cool game - I'll buy it. I just don't need Microsoft in any other part of it though. I don't need their worthless services and I don't need them to be a middleman where they've lost and won't compete.... that ship has sailed a few times.
They need to compete, and competing in bullshit services in an industry that it really doesn't fit or fit well seems like more of the same. Compete, make games, and deploy games.
The Alien
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Hi Mr. Enlightened PC Gamer,
While I dont have any 'exclusives' per se, perhaps you would like to play a few 'store specific offerings' we have.
Sincerely,
The Epic Games Store
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