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[SimonGosejohann]

2019 lol wut

 

[Mista]

Ah, my apologies for the duplicate thread.

 

[Bryank75]

I was preparing to buy 2 units at 500 euro.... I just want it to meet my expectations. Don't cheap-out on us Sony!

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

I read nothing in that article that backs up the initial premise. I also read nothing in that article that makes it obvious that this isn't how every generation of hardware is approached.

The author wanted a sensationalist headline but failed to back it up with anything resembling relevant facts.

The last couple of paragraphs reads like the author is also frustrated and impatient at the lack of communication from Sony along with the rest of us....

 

[Mista]

The outlet also reports that many of the games launched for PlayStation 5 will also be available to play on PlayStation 4.

Now watch how this becomes not a problem..

 

[FranXico]

Now watch how this becomes not a problem..

Many, not the same as all.

 

[Mista]

Many, not the same as all.

Sure.

 

[Sussoloc]

I got the feeling this is the PS3 all over again on how its going to end up.

PS5 and Xbox series X to expensive for your average gamer and nintendo getting tons of sales because they offer something at 199.

But people want games like Cyberpunk and not just Italian plumbers jumping around.

 

[FranXico]

Sure.

We'll see if people have to wait two years for Sony first party PS5 only games.

Sure.

 

[Oddvintagechap]

Now watch how this becomes not a problem..

Wanna bet no first party AAA game will be on ps4 that hasnt been announce?

 

[ozz ex machina]

But people want games like Cyberpunk and not just Italian plumbers jumping around.

We already have that - it's called a PC.

RIP DON - a man ahead of his time.

I do think Xbox are going to kill Sony this time around. Are people forgetting just how fucking good the one x is compared to the pro? Yes it's a year later and more expensive - but I'm just talking about deisgn as well, my PS4 Pro is a monstrosity that makes so much noise - I resent the fucker.

Eitherway I'm still going ps5 and PC thanks to microsofts PC policy now.

 

[Mista]

We'll see if people have to wait two years for Sony first party PS5 only games.

Sure.

Keep fighting the good fight. Its okay if you said something isn’t right about Sony. You aren’t betraying them believe me

 

[Mista]

Wanna bet no first party AAA game will be on ps4 that hasnt been announce?

Why bet on something I don’t give a damn about mate? I’m already owning all platforms + going fully next-gen day one with all. Doesn’t matter to me

 

[Sussoloc]

We already have that - it's called a PC.

RIP DON - a man ahead of his time.

You can't compare a Pc to consoles. Many people don't want a Pc (in their living room) and most casuals will always stick to consoles.

 

[FranXico]

Keep fighting the good fight. Its okay if you said something isn’t right about Sony. You aren’t betraying them believe me

Look at my post history. I mock them plenty of times. I'm not "loyal" to them.

 

[Breakage]

I'm guessing the chassis is gonna be flimsy and cheap.

 

[Screamer-RSA]

$599,99. Better get the second job going boys!

 

[ozz ex machina]

You can't compare a Pc to consoles. Many people don't want a Pc (in their living room) and most casuals will always stick to consoles.

I love how consoles are now literally PCs and people still say this.

Soon they are just going to be closed platform PCs with worse performance.

 

[Mista]

We already have that - it's called a PC.

RIP DON - a man ahead of his time.

I do think Xbox are going to kill Sony this time around. Are people forgetting just how fucking good the one x is compared to the pro? Yes it's a year later and more expensive - but I'm just talking about deisgn as well, my PS4 Pro is a monstrosity that makes so much noise - I resent the fucker.

Eitherway I'm still going ps5 and PC thanks to microsofts PC policy now.

Sorry mate, they got LOTS of work to do to “kill” Sony. Having the upper hand in power isn’t everything. Yes the X1X is magnificent and the PS4 Pro doesn’t come close to it but still, thats not the big factor here.

 

[Sussoloc]

I love how consoles are now literally PCs and people still say this.

Soon they are just going to be closed platform PCs with worse performance.

I know what they are. It's still a different feeling. I own a decent Pc and guess what a Xbox One X too and i mostly prefer the Xbox.

 

[Mista]

I know what they are. It's still a different feeling. I own a decent Pc and guess what a Xbox One X too and i mostly prefer the Xbox.

Same here and I don’t know why. Is it because I still haven’t got used to playing on PC other than MMOs? I spend way more time on my consoles than on my PC

 

[Sussoloc]

Same here and I don’t know why. Is it because I still haven’t got used to playing on PC other than MMOs? I spend way more time on my consoles than on my PC

I only use(d) my Pc for competitive Shooters, WOW and Simulations or RTS. But i definately will give Two Point Hospital a try on my Xbox. Perhaps it works better than i expect.

 

[FranXico]

Soon they are just going to be closed platform PCs with worse performance.

This was already the case this gen. Not that it's a bad thing. Makes life much easier for devs.

 

[Oddvintagechap]

Why bet on something I don’t give a damn about mate? I’m already owning all platforms + going fully next-gen day one with all. Doesn’t matter to me

so why do you care if some games will be cross platform, yet wanna watch now it wont be a negative reaction. I get it, negative nancy vibing.

 

[Mista]

so why do you care if some games will be cross platform, yet wanna watch now it wont be a negative reaction. I get it, negative nancy vibing.

Oh no not all. When Xbox announced it this place went “oh look, these are hold back games” but when Sony does it? Its not a problem

Please don’t assume anything if you don’t know what I’m talking about. Thanks

 

[griffemto]

probably around 450 $ and the next gen gonna be boring as much as the current one

 

[FranXico]

so why do you care if some games will be cross platform, yet wanna watch now it wont be a negative reaction. I get it, negative nancy vibing.

One company already officially confirmed no next gen only titles at all for the first couple of years (not that there's anything wrong with that, mind you), while the other promised that there would be next gen only titles at launch (could be only a couple or just one for all we know).
Are these approaches actually the same? I don't know.

 

[SimonGosejohann]

Sorry mate, they got LOTS of work to do to “kill” Sony. Having the upper hand in power isn’t everything. Yes the X1X is magnificent and the PS4 Pro doesn’t come close to it but still, thats not the big factor here.

Imagine Series X being $399 and PS $499, while the series X is 30% more powerful and has HALO as a launch title, whereas sony has "godfall" lol

 

[Oddvintagechap]

Oh no not all. When Xbox announced it this place went “oh look, these are hold back games” but when Sony does it? Its not a problem

Please don’t assume anything if you don’t know what I’m talking about. Thanks

that is what we r talking about. You’re complaining that sony is doing the same thing as microsoft, and is/wont get the same reaction. Even tho they arent doing the same thing at all. No proof any major unannounced AAA games are cross platform. If anything theres proof of the opposite. Godfall. But either way youre ms lover of all platforms. So why do you care if people arent crying that Horizon 2 is capable on PS4.

 

[SimonGosejohann]

One company already officially confirmed no next gen only titles at all for the first couple of years (not that there's anything wrong with that, mind you), while the other promised that there would be next gen only titles at launch (could be only a couple or just one for all we know).
Are these approaches actually the same? I don't know.

yeah, but which next-gen only titles? some crappy games like "godfall"? who cares?

all the BIG AAA sony exclusive games WILL come to PS4 for at least a couple of years.

 

[ozz ex machina]

Sorry mate, they got LOTS of work to do to “kill” Sony. Having the upper hand in power isn’t everything. Yes the X1X is magnificent and the PS4 Pro doesn’t come close to it but still, thats not the big factor here.

Sorry that was vague of me - I don't mean "kill" as in sales/sony going out of business. I purely mean from a hardware design/quality of console perspective. I think PS5 will outsell xbox everywhere outside of maybe north america.

 

[SimonGosejohann]

that is what we r talking about. You’re complaining that sony is doing the same thing as microsoft, and is/wont get the same reaction. Even tho they arent doing the same thing at all. Any major unannounced AAA games are cross platform. If anything theres proof of the opposite. Godfall. But either way youre ms lover of all platforms. So why do you care if people arent crying that Horizon 2 is capable on PS4.

Godfall is a 3rd party game, they bought it. the 1st party games will be crossgen. same for Xbox btw.. 3rd party can develope exclusively for series X if they want.

 

[Mista]

Sorry that was vague of me - I don't mean "kill" as in sales/sony going out of business. I purely mean from a hardware design/quality of console perspective. I think PS5 will outsell xbox everywhere outside of maybe north america.

And with this post I agree

 

[Mista]

that is what we r talking about. You’re complaining that sony is doing the same thing as microsoft, and is/wont get the same reaction. Even tho they arent doing the same thing at all. No proof any major unannounced AAA games are cross platform. If anything theres proof of the opposite. Godfall. But either way youre ms lover of all platforms. So why do you care if people arent crying that Horizon 2 is capable on PS4.

It doesn't matter which platform I prefer the most. This place got a serious Schizophrenia issues and THATS MY WHOLE POINT

 

[Oddvintagechap]

Godfall is a 3rd party game, they bought it. the 1st party games will be crossgen. same for Xbox btw.. 3rd party can develope exclusively for series X if they want.

Godfall is proof PS4 versions aren’t required. 3rd party companies have less of an incentive to lose sales by excluding PS4. idk where your getting your information from, but all indicates that Sony will have PS5 games that arent playable on PS4. I doubt even Microsoft will all their games run on xbox one. It’s probably a xbox one x and above type of thing.

 

[FranXico]

yeah, but which next-gen only titles? some crappy games like "godfall"? who cares?

all the BIG AAA sony exclusive games WILL come to PS4 for at least a couple of years.

We don't know what they're releasing with it yet. They've stopped announcing new AAA games for the last couple of years. There's no way to know for sure.
Godfall is kind of crap, I agree.

 

[Sussoloc]

Imagine Series X being $399 and PS $499, while the series X is 30% more powerful and has HALO as a launch title, whereas sony has "godfall" lol

That would be a disaster close to PS3 for Sony. Not to forget Halo will be free with the enclosed Game Pass. Flight Simulator, Ori 2 and many others too.

 

[Deleted member 774430]

I see ol' Mochizuki is back to the "someone told me" game even if he changed outlets.

I didn't know he left WSJ.

 

[Fake]

Reading the article right now. Kinda expected the price after the specs.

 

[DanielsM]

Sounds about right to me, $449-499.99. Expect this cycle to last well into 2030s, Brick wall dead ahead in processor expansion.

Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

Why didn't Nvidia release Ampere GPUs this year? Apple has been using 7nm chips since 2018, earlier than anyone else. Why? I am asking because apparetly adding 20CUs is nothing and console makers will be having Navi 5900XT equivalent of them on 400mm2 chip with RT. Certainly, CERTAINLY, AMD...

www.neogaf.com

 

[MoreJRPG]

Sony’s is in big trouble next gen. They’re not going to get gifted a huge head start by Microsoft due to pricing discrepancy. $100 cheaper was a free win at launch and they learned from it when they got whacked by the Xbox 360 in 2005.

 

[Fake]

This make me happy:

Most of the components for the console have been locked down, the people said, including the cooling system, which is unusually expensive at a few dollars per unit. Typically, companies would spend less than a dollar, but Sony opted to lavish more on making sure heat dissipation from the powerful chips housed inside the console isn’t an issue.

 

[sinnergy]

Anyway we won’t hear a TF number from Sony either way... they will stay away from a number as the corona virus ...

 

[FranXico]

This make me happy:

That's just business as usual. The fact that plans haven't been publicly announced (or the pricing internally decided) yet is what's causing tension in the company.

 

[Psykodad]

Sony’s is in big trouble next gen. They’re not going to get gifted a huge head start by Microsoft due to pricing discrepancy. $100 cheaper was a free win at launch and they learned from it when they got whacked by the Xbox 360 in 2005.

It was easy to get whacked in 2005 when PS3 didnt release until end 2006.

Then PS3 still outsold 360 in the end, despite being a year late and overprized.

Even if XSX would be $100 cheaper, nobody cares about xbox.
$500 won't be a problem for PS5.

 

[Fake]

That's just business as usual. The fact that plans haven't been publicly announced (or the pricing internally decided) yet is what's causing tension in the company.

About a better heat solution?

 

[mejin]

People still talking, not Sony.

I wonder till when they can hold official announcement and reveal.

 

[FranXico]

About a better heat solution?

It's a necessity, isn't it?

 

[Smaller than Atom]

Is this there greatest power move ?
Sony is in trouble right now. They will follow Microsoft's pricing model for Xbox Series X, because lets face it, they dont hold a candle to Microsoft's technical prowess.
Microsoft knows what it is doing regarding Xbox Series X and have many more surprises stored for us.

That font looks like your 'power move'. It's worse than all big 3 power moves combined.

 

[Fake]

It's a necessity, isn't it?

Dunno if PRO have one. I mean, by the quote I get he really looking for the expensive. Maybe not just strong, but maybe quiet as well. Less loud cooling system are expensive, no?

When I read that I can just think on PRO impact.