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I've enjoyed playing Uncharted 4 for the cinematic experience and fun (simple) gameplay.

The infiltration-typed and repetitive gameplay of TLOU didn't give me any pleasure after the first 4 hours, neither the story. I'll probably skip this. Definitely not ready.

 

[Shai-Tan]

i got bored of tlou gameplay too but i wouldnt prejudge the new game, at least until theres sufficient footage of the typical loop

 

[joe_zazen]

Oh so now it's about what YOU ran into.


Looks like you're moving the goalpost because it's clear that you haven't been gaming that long to even be critical of how Sony\Naughty Dog had some type major influence on major AAA titles.

You were wrong about Halo and Gears NOW doing it because Gears started doing it BEFORE The Last of Us.


You haven't played Gears 3 when it was released in 2011. Yes, it was cinematic.



So yes, you're now moving the goalpost in which how YOU find these games to be, but before you were talking about how every was trying to copy the Sony formula.


This is why I tend to shake my head at a lot of people who criticize TLOU because it becomes clear they havne't been gaming for that long at all.


........ That or they don't understand what they're seeing.



Last of Us is considered to be one of the best games ever and many people enjoy it
Last of Us multiplayer is still active, something you wouldn't get with mediocre gameplay
Many games were aiming for a cinematic approach well before the Last of Us was created.


Objectively, you're wrong and your goalpost moving proves that.

Thanks for making it clear to me in this post. lol



It won't be. That's clear based on what they have shown already.



Here is what you said earlier. You clearly state "The rest of the AA industry is following THIS lead."

How can they follow that lead when games were doing it well before the TLOU?




One being games following the Sony formula.
It's not an original thought, you're merely just repeating what others have said. If you TRULY knew the history about video games, then you would know modern AAA devs are not following the formula of TLOU, neither are their studios. It's a lie and I heard it from people before.

here is what i said:

Sure there is a tendency among some to blame TLOU for this trend, but it is market forces and not anyone game. Or at least not that game.

I dont blame tlou for anything except having kinda shit gameplay.

 

[DForce]

here is what i said:



I dont blame tlou for anything except having kinda shit gameplay.

But you said.

Sony knows this formula (shoot Stab punch bomb strangulation + 'mature' story = giant profits), hence all their AAA titles follow this formula**. And those who that don't do not get green lit. The rest of the AAA industry is following this lead, btw.

They're just cut-scenes, which are generally going to have a movie like experience.

There's nothing to follow. Games have been trying to do this for decades.

You also said no one would talk or even remember TLOU if it wasn't for the story.

Uh..You can say that about a lot of games.

Seems like you're cherry picking reasons to bashing a game, and it makes it look like you haven't been gaming for that long, which his my point.

 

[joe_zazen]

But you said.



They're just cut-scenes, which are generally going to have a movie like experience.

There's nothing to follow. Games have been trying to do this for decades.

You also said no one would talk or even remember TLOU if it wasn't for the story.

Uh..You can say that about a lot of games.

Seems like you're cherry picking reasons to bashing a game, and it makes it look like you haven't been gaming for that long, which his my point.

Sony has a formula for their AAA games and it makes them gobs of money. Is this controversial?

And hey, maybe i am wrong and if tlou had a shit story, people still would have loved it based on game play alone. I don't believe that would have been the case but i hold no hard feelings towards those who do. I just kind of shutter thinking about having to replay that game, but i fully realise this might just come down to me being an outlier and mainstream gamers loving ps3 era stealth combat.

 

[DForce]

Sony has a formula for their AAA games and it makes them gobs of money. Is this controversial?

And hey, maybe i am wrong and if tlou had a shit story, people still would have loved it based on game play alone. I don't believe that would have been the case but i hold no hard feelings towards those who do. I just kind of shutter thinking about having to replay that game, but i fully realise this might just come down to me being an outlier and mainstream gamers loving ps3 era stealth combat.

They're triple A budget titles. That's it. Games are not even nearly the same.

Even games with great gameplay need a good story because most people want a reason to continue their journey. Imagine a games with great game play and all you received was a message from your home base telling you to kill enemies until the end. People would more than likely not enjoy the game nearly as much because it would feel repetitive.

 

[Ovek]

As long as the first hour or so isn’t slow plodding shit like the first one that would be good start.

 

[Sarkozix le Gaulois]

First one bored me to death. It's a very pretty game with mediocre gameplay, and I'm being generous.

IMO it's one of the most overhyped game of all time.

 

[MistBreeze]

I can not deny the brilliance of tlou in its time and it is realy a great game at what it does it is a solid 8.5 for me but:
- the gameplay is good but I hope for more options inviroment interactivity using to hide or ulter situation for u etc
- enemy variety must be better next time better clever boss fights go all out it is a video game
- slowly walking section drag sometimes tell what you want through cutscenes
- puzzlez variety no wooden board representatives
- I see social agendas hurt games ie Battlefield 5 games supposed be fun not a lecture classrooms

 

[GymWolf]

i'm probably one of the few that love the tlou gameplay but doesn't give a fuck about his pg or narrative...

 

[Outrunner]

They're triple A budget titles. That's it. Games are not even nearly the same.

Even games with great gameplay need a good story because most people want a reason to continue their journey. Imagine a games with great game play and all you received was a message from your home base telling you to kill enemies until the end. People would more than likely not enjoy the game nearly as much because it would feel repetitive.

No, you have plenty of games that even without the story are great experiences to play because of the refined gameplay. With the last of us if you remove the story you have a generic third person action game. And yes it applies to many other games, except those many other games don't get over praised like the last of us does.

 

[DForce]

No, you have plenty of games that even without the story are great experiences to play because of the refined gameplay. With the last of us if you remove the story you have a generic third person action game. And yes it applies to many other games, except those many other games don't get over praised like the last of us does.

If it was generic, the multiplayer wouldn't be active.

Facts simply prove you wrong.

Even games with deep gameplay mechanics are not that great without a story.

No one wants to do mission in GTA V with little to no narrative involved. They want to find out what happened with the main protagonist, if their performance was great.

No one just play Resident Evil games just to figure out puzzles, they want to discover what happens with the umbrella corporation.

You're trying to tell me that people are always ok with just being up enemies with literally no objective in mind. That may happen to some games, but it's a known fact that people want a reason to continue through the story.

Shadow of the Tomb Rider? Good gameplay, but story has no memorable characters outside of Lara Croft.

And you think having Jonah show up randomly after you gone through dangerous obstacles isn't bad writing.

It's obvious that people who talk about how bad a story is don't know what actually makes a good game or a good story. But hey, there's a reason why FF7 and FF10 are some of the best games ever, and it's primarily because of the story.

 

[Outrunner]

If it was generic, the multiplayer wouldn't be active.

COD MP is active, and it is as generic as it gets.

Facts simply prove you wrong.

You haven't stated any.

Even games with deep gameplay mechanics are not that great without a story.

Yeah, except all those games in which the story is not the selling point of the game but the gameplay is:
- Breath of the Wild
- Devil May Cry
- Shovel Knight
- Super Mario (any of them)
- Minecraft
- Dark Souls
- Ori
- Hollow Knight

and so many others.

Any of those games can be stripped out of plot and yet have deep gameplay that will keep the player engaged for hours.

No one wants to do mission in GTA V with little to no narrative involved. They want to find out what happened with the main protagonist, if their performance was great.

Sure, people play GTA V for story and lore and not for the sandbox element of the game. :v

No one just play Resident Evil games just to figure out puzzles, they want to discover what happens with the umbrella corporation.

Or people play Resident Evil games because they want to be scared and challenged.

You're trying to tell me that people are always ok with just being up enemies with literally no objective in mind. That may happen to some games, but it's a known fact that people want a reason to continue through the story.

I'm telling you videogames should be evaluated and rated because of the quality of their gameplay, if you can strip a game out of the plot and still have a fun experience then you have a great videogame. If not well, you have just another videogame.
It's a know fact? Established by whom? The videogame court?

Shadow of the Tomb Rider? Good gameplay, but story has no memorable characters outside of Lara Croft.

Seriously? Are you seriously talking about a series that went downhill when it moved its focus from exploration, puzzle solving and action to super serious super dupper movie like story plots? A series that became just another third person action game?

It's obvious that people who talk about how bad a story is don't know what actually makes a good game or a good story.

It's also obvious that people who hide themselves behind what the majority says and who constantly repeat that those who have a diverging opinion to theirs don't know what they are talking about lack any real arguments for a discussion.

But hey, there's a reason why FF7 and FF10 are some of the best games ever, and it's primarily because of the story.

Yeah, pretty sure gameplay had nothing to do with it.


In the end what you don't want to (or can't) understand is that story can complement great gameplay to make a videogame special (e.o. The Witcher 3), but that games with mediocre to average gameplay won't be great just because you glue a super cinematic story to it (e.o. The Last of Us) .

For some reason for decades story in videogames was relegated to booklets you would read while taking a dump on the toilet or on the car ride back home after buying the game, and yet the games were great because the gameplay was compelling and fun (a word naughty dog doesn't like to use when talking about TLOU).

But, yeah, keep riding that Naughty Dog hype train and sperging that the game is good because the "majority" thinks so.

 

[DForce]

COD MP is active, and it is as generic as it gets.

Terrible comparison. TLOU has been out for YEARS and it's still active and its easy to find matches. That doesn't happen with awful gameplay.

You haven't stated any.



Yeah, except all those games in which the story is not the selling point of the game but the gameplay is:
- Breath of the Wild
- Devil May Cry
- Shovel Knight
- Super Mario (any of them)
- Minecraft
- Dark Souls
- Ori
- Hollow Knight


and so many others.

Any of those games can be stripped out of plot and yet have deep gameplay that will keep the player engaged for hours.

Witcher, Tomb Raider, Red Dead Redemption, Grand Theft Auto, Halo etc.
You literally don't know what you're talking about.
It's funny that you're trying to prove a point and it end up failing in the end.
People care about stories, period.
Casuals love stories.
It's the reason why Fighting games players are mostly casuals who WANT story mode. The majority don't even care about the depth of the fighting mechanics, they just like cool moves and 2-3 campaign mode.

Or people play Resident Evil games because they want to be scared and challenged.

Sure, people play GTA V for story and lore and not for the sandbox element of the game. :v

Yet again, you're missing the point. You're trying to PROVE a game can be carried by a gameplay alone, but facts show that doesn't always work. PEOPLE love stories and they WANT a good story and their opinion of the game WILL change if the story is bad.

I'm telling you videogames should be evaluated and rated because of the quality of their gameplay, if you can strip a game out of the plot and still have a fun experience then you have a great videogame. If not well, you have just another videogame.
It's a know fact? Established by whom? The videogame court?

This is really a shaking my head moment. lol

Videogame should be evaluated by every single aspect of the game, NOT just gameplay alone.

Art direction, acting, music, sound controls etc ALL play a part in what makes a video game.

You underestimate these things, and it's obvious by how you rate games because you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

People remember Joel, Ellie, Cloud, Auron, Master Chief, Nathan Drake because of their story.

Without a story, then no one would become attached to a character. If your character died at the end of Bloodborne, almost no one would care. But have Joel, Cloud, Drake or even Master Chief die, then you're obviously going to get a different reaction.

This is why stories matter, but you're trying to tell people they have little to do with a game. IF the stories were so bad, then no one would care if Joel or Ellie died.

Seriously? Are you seriously talking about a series that went downhill when it moved its focus from exploration, puzzle solving and action to super serious super dupper movie like story plots? A series that became just another third person action game?

Complaint about the series was in fact the story. You don't know what you're talking about.

It's also obvious that people who hide themselves behind what the majority says and who constantly repeat that those who have a diverging opinion to theirs don't know what they are talking about lack any real arguments for a discussion.

You're the one saying people are overrating the game.

That clearly indicates that you believe people are wrong in how they view The Last of Us.

Yeah, pretty sure gameplay had nothing to do with it.


In the end what you don't want to (or can't) understand is that story can complement great gameplay to make a videogame special (e.o. The Witcher 3), but that games with mediocre to average gameplay won't be great just because you glue a super cinematic story to it (e.o. The Last of Us) .

For some reason for decades story in videogames was relegated to booklets you would read while taking a dump on the toilet or on the car ride back home after buying the game, and yet the games were great because the gameplay was compelling and fun (a word naughty dog doesn't like to use when talking about TLOU).

But, yeah, keep riding that Naughty Dog hype train and sperging that the game is good because the "majority" thinks so.

Pretty sure gameplay had nothing to do with it? LOL.

Come on.


Many people think FFX-2's gameplay is far superior than FF-X, but which one does people consider better?

Final Fantasy X.


If people consider Final Fantasy 7's gameplay to be the main reason why people consider it the best game ever, then they would've kept it the game in Final Fantasy 7:REMAKE.

But oh - they didn't.

They know the story is the major reason why. People didn't fall in love with the game because of the gameplay. They loved the cast of characters in these games and that's why they consider it great.

The majority thinks TLOU is great, but you want to say people are overrating it.

See your problem?

 

[Tbone3336]

i'm probably one of the few that love the tlou gameplay but doesn't give a fuck about his pg or narrative...

Those Dragshots

 

[IbizaPocholo]

 

[The_Mike]

I'm happy i played TLoU before i had the chance to play the Uncharted Trilogy, because i got tired of the formula once i went from Uncharted 1 to 2. Move from setpiece to setpiece, cover, shoot, walk and talk, happy/sad cutscene, cover shoot, walk and talk.

I don't know how you can play game after game, after game the same with with different backgrounds.

Well, you and me are the minority, but that's what most people wants these days.

 

[Mega_Deth]

Did anyone expect it not to be their most ambitious game considering it is their latest?

 

[V2Tommy]

I legitimately love the gameplay of TLoU and only fault the game for starting a touch slow, but once it got going, I found it faultless.

 

[Fry]

I didn't really like TLoU that much. I'm still going to give it another chance before II is out.

But LOL at people hating this game that isn't even out because of a lesbian kiss. Jeez

 

[Clear]

In the end what you don't want to (or can't) understand is that story can complement great gameplay to make a videogame special (e.o. The Witcher 3), but that games with mediocre to average gameplay won't be great just because you glue a super cinematic story to it (e.o. The Last of Us) .

You have to be the first person I've ever heard describe Witcher 3's gameplay as "great".

 

[Guardian's Light]

You have to be the first person I've ever heard describe Witcher 3's gameplay as "great".

Unpopular opinion of today: I always tought TW3 is boring and clunky as hell, but I love it at the same time
Am I crazy?

 

[Guardian's Light]

Btw, can't fuckin Wait to play this
I completed the First one on ps4 like 27482992 times, and still I'm not full of it, I have legit fear of how many times I 'll play through 2 lol
The old badass guy in my avatar couldn't be more ready than this

 

[Clear]

Unpopular opinion of today: I always tought TW3 is boring and clunky as hell, but I love it at the same time
Am I crazy?

Not at all. Impression I got was simply that it was world-building, story and character that elevated it. RPG's with genuinely inspired gameplay are kinda rare, it what made Dragon's Dogma so special.

 

[Guardian's Light]

Not at all. Impression I got was simply that it was world-building, story and character that elevated it. RPG's with genuinely inspired gameplay are kinda rare, it what made Dragon's Dogma so special.

Basically this
I Didn’t like its gameplay and such, but I fell in love with its world, character, lore, and badass Geralt
It's impossible to not like the Wolf

 

[DemiFiend_]

I just hope Bloaters are nerfed. The factory in Winter pissed me off so much I returned the game the next day.

 

[IbizaPocholo]

 

[GymWolf]

I just hope Bloaters are nerfed. The factory in Winter pissed me off so much I returned the game the next day.

Why? They go down with 1-2 molotov.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

I just hope Bloaters are nerfed. The factory in Winter pissed me off so much I returned the game the next day.

Bloaters are easy. And I'm terrible at games.

 

[scalman]

Now im ready.

 

[bano]

So this is released February next year, then PS5 will be released later in 2020. So I'm debating if I can wait even longer for a PS5 version?

 

[Aggelos]

We began working on this game over five years ago. It’s hard to describe the immense pressure of following up the first game. We know how much you love this world and its characters — especially Ellie and Joel. Believe me, we’re fans as well. We love them. Which is why we spent years crafting a game that we feel will do them justice, telling a nuanced story that deals with the core question: how far would you go to exact justice against the people that hurt the ones you love? It’s a highly emotional story with complex themes that befit the world of The Last of Us. What we realized pretty early on is that we were putting together Naughty Dog’s most ambitious and longest game in our 35 year history.
To tell this kind of story the game needed to be massive. Without spoiling too much, at the top of this post you can watch the brand-new trailer that we debuted earlier today on State of Play, which just scratches the surface of what the game has in store.



Neil Druckmann, director of TLoU II

State of Play: New Trailer For The Last of Us Part II

Watch the new trailer, just debuted during State of Play.

blog.us.playstation.com

 

[Moses85]

Thanks Neil!

 

[manfestival]

gotta love the hype machine from these people ugh. I just need to ignore every thread of TLOU2 and play it blind going forward

 

[Neff]

I hate Ellie and Joel but I'll probably buy the game anyway because TLoU was fun.

 

[IbizaPocholo]

 

[Woodchipper]

Seriously, what’s with all the lesbian remarks? This is fucking 2020, not 1820.
Troy should’ve said; “America is not ready for TLoU2” and he’d be quite right.

 

[Dacon]

It's kind of weird how people come into these threads just to shit talk the first game. I don't know why doing it the first time didn't suffice.

Seriously, what’s with all the lesbian remarks? This is fucking 2020, not 1820.
Troy should’ve said; “America is not ready for TLoU2” and he’d be quite right.

A few butthurt nerds on the net is not America my dude.

 

[Woodchipper]

A few butthurt nerds on the net is not America my dude.

I know, sorry, but it just pisses me off.

 

[KOMANI]

It's kind of weird how people come into these threads just to shit talk the first game. I don't know why doing it the first time didn't suffice.



A few butthurt nerds on the net is not America my dude.

You’ll have to excuse them, people from Sweden like to remind everyone how progressive they are.

 

[Ballthyrm]

Maybe they will have actual enjoyable and non-repetitive gameplay in this one ?
I had to finish the last one on youtube.

Maybe this time knowing this, i will head straight there. This being a movie and all.

 

[ComputerBlue]

Hope that doesn't mean open world. I wouldn't mind an open world set in this universe, but not the main titles, and not from ND. First one is in my top 5 all time, no multiplayer at launch is already killing some hype, open world would slaughter it.

 

[GustavoLT]

don´t know if i buy this now or wait for the PS5 version of it!

 

[sol_bad]

I'm fine with open world as long as it doesn't have busy work shit. Keep it fresh all the way through.

 

[Handel]

Them being actually ambitious at all would be a big step up, so they only have that one hurdle to climb.

 

[Jill Valentine]

LIFT... PLANK

PUT.... PLANK.... H-.... H--........ HERE

 

[Screamer-RSA]

Looking at his twitter feed, lets hope someone else is in charge of text capitalisation.

 

[daninthemix]

I doubt it's more ambitious than Smuggler's Run on the PS2.

 

[NickFire]

don´t know if i buy this now or wait for the PS5 version of it!

I'm going to decide once we know more next gen details and other info. If something happens that makes the X a no brainer I will get this at launch. If the devs confirm that PS4 versions will upgrade to PS5 versions later, I will probably get at launch as well even if still on fence over next gen. If PS5 version will be separate purchase and I am certain to get PS5, then I'll definitely hold off.

 

[dorkimoe]

I bought last of us day one, but literally never got around to playing it until like christmas of 2019, the game was insanely fun. I am so glad i didnt play it when it came out because the wait has been bad enough