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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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TLZ

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Here is all Tommy Fisher leaks about PS5 and XSX :-


XseX - 12.1 RDNA 2.0 Flops
PS5 - 13.3 RDNA 2.0 Flops

You read it first here folks ;)

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52 active CUs at 2.0Ghz ~ 13.3TFlops
PS5

52 active CUs at 1.82Ghz ~ 12.1TFlops
XseX

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Good luck with that :) believe it or not, these are the actual specifications for both XseX and PS5 GPUs.

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A Little less (0.2) than XseX CPU clock speed.

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I know the full specifications of both PS5 and XX, Can you give us a glimpse of what kind of memory gonna be in PS5?

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Just tell me one thing, did your source tell you anything about the amount of Memory in PS5? will it be higher than 16GB? ;))

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CameFromNearFuture said: (BOTH Will be equivalent on Ray tracing aspect)
Tommy Fisher : You know nothing ;)

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7nm+/EUV - TSMC's InFo-MS.:messenger_fistbump:
Fookin 'ell!
 

Shmunter

Member


This is probably Microsoft’s “used games” moment when Sony end up asking for an upgrade fee.

How Microsoft has changed from the first XB1 always online console.

Sony is no stranger to cross buy. Time to dust of the old policy and go full tilt on PS5.

Personally would prefer a cross buy initiative with different software for the same game on each system rather than the one game executing everywhere. Better potential for bespoke hardware utilisation instead of just higher Rez/framerate/textures.
 
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Koopatrol

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Tommy Fisher will be redeemed, and will henceforth be known as Tommy Fishman.

We will look back in NeoGAF history and know that Tommy Fishman is the greatest insider of all time.

We will build shrines and cities, all in the name of Tommy Fishman. In all of our technological advances, we will remember Tommy Fishman. When we have flying cars and civilizations on the moon... we will know that all of this was possible, because of the Fishman. In his name we pray. Amen.

Sony just give us some fucking info already I'm going crazy
 

Zzpaff

Member
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Sí, estoy feliz, solo quiero entender eso.
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Por qué tiene el doble de potencia, pero con un mayor rendimiento, si lo llevas a la industria automotriz ¿Por qué no te cuesta creer que un automóvil de 400 hp pueda ser más rápido que uno de la misma potencia o incluso más? bueno lo mismo ...
 

S0ULZB0URNE

Member
Here we go again with extreme hyperbole describing a game console. Why do we go through this "the second coming" every time a new generation of console comes out?

These consoles are several generations from being CGI movie type graphics.
It's a beast and when it launches it will be a much better buy than the PC.
We got CGI this gen we sure as heck can with the next.
 
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ph33rknot

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Same applies to MS fanboys though. In the "glory days" of the 360, specs mattered the most, especially that raw GPU power. When the X1 came out, and before the X1X, it wasn't that important anymore. Then the X1X was announced and they were all about "True 4K".
It always mattered that's why Microsoft got slaughtered this gen well that and $100 more
 

LED Guy?

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PS5 is still slightly ahead, SLIGHTLY.
Can you hint by how much? Or maybe tell us the target TFLOPS?

I think it is going to end up 12.4 TF or 12.6 TF, and yes, both are RDNA 2.0 as Sony CONFIRMED it has Hardware RT and many insiders confirmed it'll have VRS just like XSX, RDNA 2.0 has HW RT and VRS. Matt from ResetEra confirmed it'll have VRS again yesterday.
 
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Moses85

Member
Tommy Fisher will be redeemed, and will henceforth be known as Tommy Fishman.

We will look back in NeoGAF history and know that Tommy Fishman is the greatest insider of all time.

We will build shrines and cities, all in the name of Tommy Fishman. In all of our technological advances, we will remember Tommy Fishman. When we have flying cars and civilizations on the moon... we will know that all of this was possible, because of the Fishman. In his name we pray. Amen.

Sony just give us some fucking info already I'm going crazy

What IF...
T TommyFisher is Mark Cerny?

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Insiderus

Neo Member
Here is all Tommy Fisher leaks about PS5 and XSX :-


XseX - 12.1 RDNA 2.0 Flops
PS5 - 13.3 RDNA 2.0 Flops

You read it first here folks ;)

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52 active CUs at 2.0Ghz ~ 13.3TFlops
PS5

52 active CUs at 1.82Ghz ~ 12.1TFlops
XseX

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Good luck with that :) believe it or not, these are the actual specifications for both XseX and PS5 GPUs.

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A Little less (0.2) than XseX CPU clock speed.

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I know the full specifications of both PS5 and XX, Can you give us a glimpse of what kind of memory gonna be in PS5?

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Just tell me one thing, did your source tell you anything about the amount of Memory in PS5? will it be higher than 16GB? ;))

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CameFromNearFuture said: (BOTH Will be equivalent on Ray tracing aspect)
Tommy Fisher : You know nothing ;)

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7nm+/EUV - TSMC's InFo-MS.:messenger_fistbump:

What he got them right so far:

XSX is 12 TF ✔
XSX RDNA2 (7nm+) ✔
PS5 has faster SSD ✔

PS5>>SeX - GPU
PS5>>>>>SeX - SSD
PS5>>>SeX - Ram size (bandwidth too?)
SeX>PS5 - CPU speed
SeX>=PS5 - Noise
 

lynux3

Member
Crazy day.


This is probably Microsoft’s “used games” moment when Sony end up asking for an upgrade fee.

How Microsoft has changed from the first XB1 always online console.

You mean the moment when Sony offered enhanced versions of their games on PS4 Pro a year prior to Xbox One X? This doesn't seem any different especially considering Sony has had cross-buy for what... eight years?
 

pawel86ck

Banned
So check my post history...I've been saying between 11-13TFOPS since back in May last year. This won't be the last opportunity for me to say "told ya" before the system launches (cough* RAM, BC).

Anyway, yes the next gen of gaming should be pretty exciting. Given how bottlenecked this generation has been in terms of HDD speed, weak CPUs, and memory bandwidth, we should finally see the game software evolve in some meaning ways. Notice i said "next gen gaming" because it'll apply to PC, consoles, streaming etc. The consoles will up the baseline and the developers will follow with the bump in software which will benefit virtually all platforms. I'm emphasizing the software because the hardware is just metal and plastic...it's the software bump that will really bring the "next gen" experience.

But how much of a graphical leap with 12TFLOPs of RDNA 2 really be? Well consider this: The current flagship AMD GPU on the market is still the Radeon VII which is a Vega (GCN 5) architecture spec'd at roughly 13.8 TFLOPs. The current top RDNA GPU from AMD is the 5700 XT spec'd at roughly 9.75 TFLOPs (10TFLOPs if overclocked i.e. Anniversay Edition). So let's just round up and say 10TFLOPs RDNA vs 14TFLOPS GCN 5 to have easier numbers to work with. Now by most accounts, the performance delta between the Readeon VII and 5700 XT (OC) is anywhere from 3% - 7% (Radeon VII vs 5700 XT (1), Radeon VII vs 5700 XT (2)). Let's say 5% on average. First, that's real world data that shows you just how much more efficient RDNA is over GCN (40% more compute power = 5% increase :)).

Now a 12TFLOPs RDNA GPU is about 20% higher theoretical performance compared to the 5700 XT. So first of all, that says that the XBSX (and likely PS5) will come with GPU horsepower ahead of anything that AMD will have commercially available at least through the 1 Half of 2020. Compare that to the 7850 GPU in the PS4 at launch in 2013 which was decidedly mid-range by the time PS4 released and AMD had at least 6 GPUs more powerful than it available by that time (7870, 7950, 7970, R9270, R9280, R9 290).

Now when compared to Nvidia, we know that the 5700 XT is within roughly 12-15% of a Nvidia RTX 2080 on average (link) and within ~18-20% of a 2080 Super on average (link). Thus a 12TFLOP RDNA based GPU (20% higher perf than the 5700XT) should exceed a RTX 2080 and be very close to matching a RTX 2080 Super.

HOWEVER, all of that is assuming RDNA 1.0! The big X-Factor currently is how much more efficient is RDNA 2 really? Rumors suggest 30-50% which does seem a bit high. But even if we very conservatively say that RDNA 2.0 is 10% more efficient than RDNA 1.0, then a 12 TFLOP RDNA 2.0 GPU should be roughly as performant as a 13.2 TFLOP RDNA 1.0 card. That's >30% increase when compared to the 5700 XT. So yeah, that card would be above a RTX 2080S in real world performance. In fact, that is definitely approaching RTX 2080TI levels which is ~35% faster than a 5700XT in most games (link). Remember i was very conservative with the efficiency gains of RDNA 2.0. If the gains exceed 10% and is even closer to 20%, then folks we would be looking at RTX 2080TI level perf in a console for real!

Now everyone is throwing around the TFLOPs figures trying to make sense of it. The truth is that TFLOPS are just a theoretically calculation that by itself cannot be used to determine actual game performance. But notice what I did here was use actual game performance data from commercially available cards to estimate performance. This takes much (but not all) of the "theory" out of the numbers.

Expect great things next gen. Exciting times ahead!
2080ti has 13.4TF on paper but in reality clocks go much higher than that. Many 2080ti run around 16TF without any OC, and 18TF when OC'ed. 2080ti will be hard to beat.
 

II_JumPeR_I

Member
This Flop war reminds me of 2012 and early 2013 now reversed with Playstation fanboys hoping for a stronger console...

Let it go



What he got them right so far:

XSX is 12 TF ✔
XSX RDNA2 (7nm+) ✔
PS5 has faster SSD
Yeah there is no such thing...
Benchmarks will be the fact here and not marketing buzzwords... i can already see the Speeds of the SSD the same on both machines. No Sony magic to make it faster
 
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MARTYWOLF

Member
Things have been moving pretty fast and it seems this got buried, because to me this is some huge info. Unless it's totally wrong or I'm totally wrong for misreading/not knowing what I'm on about.

So maybe @o'dium @thicc_girls_are_teh_best @VFXVeteran let's throw in @HeisenbergFX4 and @OsirisBlack . Think that covers a good chunk of tech folk.

So Xbox has confirmed rdna 2, but AMD pretty much confirmed the PS is rdna 1 from this post?




Or has someone confirmed you can get rdna 2 on Navi?

And am I right in saying their are no rdna 2 cards on the market yet? So targeting 12tf v 12tf is fine for now(assuming both are being made on pc), but once these new cards are released the Xbox could pull ahead, by maybe quite a bit?

Or again, has this all been cleared up and I'm way behind.


Yeah i dont think once MS has used the word NAVI along side xbox series x? Is it gonna be a new for the arch or
Things have been moving pretty fast and it seems this got buried, because to me this is some huge info. Unless it's totally wrong or I'm totally wrong for misreading/not knowing what I'm on about.

So maybe @o'dium @thicc_girls_are_teh_best @VFXVeteran let's throw in @HeisenbergFX4 and @OsirisBlack . Think that covers a good chunk of tech folk.

So Xbox has confirmed rdna 2, but AMD pretty much confirmed the PS is rdna 1 from this post?




Or has someone confirmed you can get rdna 2 on Navi?

And am I right in saying their are no rdna 2 cards on the market yet? So targeting 12tf v 12tf is fine for now(assuming both are being made on pc), but once these new cards are released the Xbox could pull ahead, by maybe quite a bit?

Or again, has this all been cleared up and I'm way behind.


Yes so far there are no RDNA2 gpu's out, MS did say navi in the scarlett e3 2019 video. Arden has been linked i think to navi21. It's just odd AMD didnt use the phrasing next gen rdna for ps5 maybe sony requested to not give away too much stuff? But i just find it odd its on 7nm not +
 
With all these hardliners in here, one group is surely going to eat crow when the dust settles. : /

I definitely want my PS5 to be as powerful as possible, I just do not see the Tommy Fisher shit being plausible. The SeX already looks like a 600 Dollar machine! I am expected to believe that Sony targeted an even higher target price?

More ram, higher flops, a better ssd, more expensive cooling? That all adds up. I dont buy the 399 2019 price tag, but 700 Dollar 2020 price tag seems far fetched too.

They will most likely be extremely similar. OsirisBlack seems like the more reasonable one to listen to in this situation.
 
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MARTYWOLF

Member
Here is all Tommy Fisher leaks about PS5 and XSX :-


XseX - 12.1 RDNA 2.0 Flops
PS5 - 13.3 RDNA 2.0 Flops

You read it first here folks ;)

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52 active CUs at 2.0Ghz ~ 13.3TFlops
PS5

52 active CUs at 1.82Ghz ~ 12.1TFlops
XseX

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Good luck with that :) believe it or not, these are the actual specifications for both XseX and PS5 GPUs.

-------------------------------------------------------------------
A Little less (0.2) than XseX CPU clock speed.

---------------------------------------------------------------
I know the full specifications of both PS5 and XX, Can you give us a glimpse of what kind of memory gonna be in PS5?

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Just tell me one thing, did your source tell you anything about the amount of Memory in PS5? will it be higher than 16GB? ;))

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CameFromNearFuture said: (BOTH Will be equivalent on Ray tracing aspect)
Tommy Fisher : You know nothing ;)

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7nm+/EUV - TSMC's InFo-MS.:messenger_fistbump:

Haha people are gonna hate this but 52 cu's goes against github leak (56cu x64 = 3584)
 

Kobi

Member
Yeah i dont think once MS has used the word NAVI along side xbox series x? Is it gonna be a new for the arch or



Yes so far there are no RDNA2 gpu's out, MS did say navi in the scarlett e3 2019 video. Arden has been linked i think to navi21. It's just odd AMD didnt use the phrasing next gen rdna for ps5 maybe sony requested to not give away too much stuff? But i just find it odd its on 7nm not +

Yeah it's interesting. You could even go as far as saying that Tommy is right...ish. ps5 13tf but rdna 1
Xbox 12 but rdna 2?
 

MARTYWOLF

Member
Yeah it's interesting. You could even go as far as saying that Tommy is right...ish. ps5 13tf but rdna 1
Xbox 12 but rdna 2?


Well if that's the case i see ps5 having a power advantage at a higher power usage someone shared a link apparently rdna 2 is 50% more efficient
 

IkarugaDE

Member
MS admitted xbox sx was NEXT GEN RDNA before he even said anything
Without discrediting any insider, but yeah, guessing 12TF for XSX was as risky as betting on a team which plays in the first division and competes against a fourth division team. In other words: There is a small possibility to loose the bet, but overall that's a sure thing.

But: IMO RDNA2 is another thing. Check several fake leaks and leaker who mentioned RDNA1.5. That also doesn't prove legitimacy at all, but compared to many rumors and evaluations you need bigger balls to guess RDNA2 (or you really know it).
Nevertheless, the true supreme discipline are the PS5 specs.
 
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hemo memo

Gold Member
Crazy day.

You mean the moment when Sony offered enhanced versions of their games on PS4 Pro a year prior to Xbox One X? This doesn't seem any different especially considering Sony has had cross-buy for what... eight years?

If you’re going by this logic then Nintendo did it first in 1998 with Gameboy color. Smart delivery is not the same as cross-buy.
 

MARTYWOLF

Member
Without discrediting any insider, but yeah, guessing 12TF for XSX was as risky as betting on a team which plays in the first division and competes against a fourth division team. In other words: There is a small possibility to loose the bet, but overall that's a sure thing.

But: IMO RDNA2 is another thing. Check several fake leaks and leaker who mentioned RDNA1.5. That also doesn't prove legitimacy at all, but compared to many rumors and evaluations you need bigger balls to guess RDNA2 (or you really know it).
Nevertheless, the true supreme discipline are the PS5 specs.

Yes and No......... So remember the POWER YOUR DREAMS blog? That was released before Fisher said his tf numbers, "Powered by our custom-designed processor leveraging the latest Zen 2 and next generation RDNA architecture" AMD has so many times refered to RDNA 2 as Next Gen Rdna this blog post was after 5700xt release which is current rdna. Now phil gave gamestop the tf numbers before fisher gave his tf numbers " "We wanted to have a dramatic upgrade from the Xbox One base console. So when we do the math, we're over eight times the GPU power of the Xbox One, and two times what an Xbox One X is."

You put that interview together with what phil said in the blog post all before tommy gave his tf number you end up with 12TF.
 
Here is all Tommy Fisher leaks about PS5 and XSX :-


XseX - 12.1 RDNA 2.0 Flops
PS5 - 13.3 RDNA 2.0 Flops

You read it first here folks ;)

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52 active CUs at 2.0Ghz ~ 13.3TFlops
PS5

52 active CUs at 1.82Ghz ~ 12.1TFlops
XseX

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Good luck with that :) believe it or not, these are the actual specifications for both XseX and PS5 GPUs.

-------------------------------------------------------------------
A Little less (0.2) than XseX CPU clock speed.

---------------------------------------------------------------
I know the full specifications of both PS5 and XX, Can you give us a glimpse of what kind of memory gonna be in PS5?

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Just tell me one thing, did your source tell you anything about the amount of Memory in PS5? will it be higher than 16GB? ;))

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CameFromNearFuture said: (BOTH Will be equivalent on Ray tracing aspect)
Tommy Fisher : You know nothing ;)

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7nm+/EUV - TSMC's InFo-MS.:messenger_fistbump:

Actually, looking at that now, it lines up quite well shockingly.

The tflops and frequency. Tflops as MS has now said 12. Frequencies somewhat as another leaker said MS was lower tflops than PS5 but with more room to manouvre, and the frequencies he shows lines up with that.

Or was it him himself that said the second part about 'more room to adjust' ?
 
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Deleted member 775630

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Actually, looking at that now, it lines up quite well shockingly.

The tflops and frequency. Tflops as MS has now said 12. Frequencies somewhat as another leaker said MS was lower tflops than PS5 but with more room to manouvre, and the frequencies he shows shows us that.

Or was it him himself that said the second part about 'more room to adjust' ?
But do you think it's realistic that the PS5 would have 13.3TF of power? How expensive is that console going to be if you combine that with all the other customisations they have
 

bitbydeath

Member
But do you think it's realistic that the PS5 would have 13.3TF of power? How expensive is that console going to be if you combine that with all the other customisations they have

Not cheap if Bloomberg is correct.

Most of the components for the console have been locked down, the people said, including the cooling system, which is unusually expensive at a few dollars per unit. Typically, companies would spend less than a dollar, but Sony opted to lavish more on making sure heat dissipation from the powerful chips housed inside the console isn’t an issue.

 

IkarugaDE

Member
You put that interview together with what phil said in the blog post all before tommy gave his tf number you end up with 12TF.

Exactly. That's why I would say these XSX-specs are no prove a leaker is real after there were so many hints in the past few weeks and months. Everyone who is able to use the Internet, spend few hours in research and isn't a technical noob could come to the 12TF solution.
BTW that's the reason why I'm still convinced TimDog is no leaker. The only thing that can possibly be held in his favor was a thorough research, but on the other hand it wasn't really hard, especially for a hard fanboy which probably searches the internet for news every hour. And, again: He never stated RDNA2.
 
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Deleted member 775630

Unconfirmed Member
Not cheap if Bloomberg is correct.
That's true, but that could also have to do with the form factor the console might have. We'll see eventually. I would be surprised if Sony doesn't drop any information in March.
 

IkarugaDE

Member
But do you think it's realistic that the PS5 would have 13.3TF of power? How expensive is that console going to be if you combine that with all the other customisations they have
BGs BGs even highlighted 13.8TF as far as I unterstood it correctly. Would be extremely sick, but I'm still not really convinced.
 
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