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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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So because I read again some BS , here’s what digital foundry was writing before all these «insiders» started making predictions:
«Combine this with the leak that Microsoft is working on an entry-level four teraflop console alongside a 12TF monster (the figures may change but the strategy is accurate, according to our sources) and the impression is that for the Xbox team at least, the top-end in console GPU power is likely to be an Xbox One X-level premium price option.».
This is from April 2019. So all the talk about double digits was out for everyone to see, you didn’t need an insider in a forum to cleverly come and tell you about it.
 


Pretty sure this was the first leak to mention 12 TFs.


The info about 'bombs to drop in the next few months', what like Crackdown 3? As this was posted month or so before its release. No-one would know the exact launch line-up of Series X in Jan 2019. I mean it fails the sanity check.

The PS5 info sounds made up too.

Also Arthur Gies is an odious little man.
 
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Cool how the guy nailed so much xbox stuff so early, before any of the people that are worshipped in forums. Even the studios he mentions, we know MS tried (and is still trying ?) to buy some of these. He nailed the numbers before anyone else. If this had been posted by an «insider» people would be making shrines for him.
 

ArcaneNLSC

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For those who say the Corona Virus isn't anything are a bit wrong about that. It's had more effect than some think production at my factory in China stopped due to assessing the risks and wanting more information which ultimately halted production of product which already had halted due to Chinese New Year holidays.
 

johnjohn

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The info about 'bombs to drop in the next few months', what like Crackdown 3? As this was posted month or so before its release. No-one would know the exact launch line-up of Series X in Jan 2019. I mean it fails the sanity check.

The PS5 info sounds made up too.
Games typically take more than a year or two to make.. You seriously think there wouldn't be some kind of plan in place for what games are going to launch with the console? This leak has been more accurate than the insiders on this forum lol. Even MS being in talks with Platinum was confirmed recently..

It's also pretty telling that Geis is highlighting it...
 
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Fun Fanboy

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penello is a fucking joke, he believed Colbert and others that are clearly there with an xbox agenda was right (without reason)PS5 is 8TFlops and he ran with it.
He's the original person who said he thinks it could be 8 to 9. Like a year ago he said that. Maybe half a year. But he didn't take colbert and others words for that. He originally stated that as his belief.
 

Bo_Hazem

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Man, this thread is overwhelming, I need to use fast travel and probably go back later and check out the side missions.

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Sinthor

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For those who say the Corona Virus isn't anything are a bit wrong about that. It's had more effect than some think production at my factory in China stopped due to assessing the risks and wanting more information which ultimately halted production of product which already had halted due to Chinese New Year holidays.

Covid-19 is affecting things BIG TIME in China and really all of Asia right now. Samsung even closed at least one factory. Just look at Europe- Itally basically closing off three cities already...

I'm not sure if this virus is actually deadly enough to really justify all of this action that's happening, but it surely appears that a lot of governments think so! If it IS more damaging than 'just another flu' we could definitely be in for a wild ride and lots of products will be delayed, etc. And of course the human cost is much worse than petty product delays, etc. But we shouldn't be surprised to see things like people pulling out of GDC, etc. Won't surprise me if they straight up CANCEL GDC the way things are going.
 
Covid-19 is affecting things BIG TIME in China and really all of Asia right now. Samsung even closed at least one factory. Just look at Europe- Itally basically closing off three cities already...

I'm not sure if this virus is actually deadly enough to really justify all of this action that's happening, but it surely appears that a lot of governments think so! If it IS more damaging than 'just another flu' we could definitely be in for a wild ride and lots of products will be delayed, etc. And of course the human cost is much worse than petty product delays, etc. But we shouldn't be surprised to see things like people pulling out of GDC, etc. Won't surprise me if they straight up CANCEL GDC the way things are going.
It's worse than the flu. If you catch the flu virus and recover, you will be immune to that strain until the next season. However, if you catch COVID-19, recover, and catch the virus again, you will get sick again. And the 2nd time you get infected, the symptoms will be even worse because by then, your immune system will already be in a weakened state.
 

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Dabaus

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The info about 'bombs to drop in the next few months', what like Crackdown 3? As this was posted month or so before its release. No-one would know the exact launch line-up of Series X in Jan 2019. I mean it fails the sanity check.

The PS5 info sounds made up too.

Also Arthur Gies is an odious little man.

Thats my question too, what significant event happened, that we know of, in all of 2019 for xbox? Gears 5 came and went and people forgot about it in like 2 weeks, Xbox games came to PC and revenue still dropped. They acquired the psychonauts studio and that wasnt even on the list. I believe that this list was true at one point but things changed alot and its from the perspective of an xbox super fan that thinks things like Bleeding Edge are relevant.
 
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Penello mentioned 8TF because Sony themselves mentioned 8TF as a requirement for native 4K around the time PS4Pro was coming out and they were giving more info on Pro's checkerboard rendering technique.

So would that mean Sony has an agenda against themselves? It doesn't make a lot of sense. But I agree Penello was low-balling and it's likely Sony threw out the 8TF claim based on then-current architecture and features. Would give them benefit of the doubt however and just say they were being overly conservative and (maybe) also was going off original 2019 launch plans for PS5 if those rumors are accurate (there's enough circumstantial evidence around to lend that idea some credibility).



Since when are insiders reporters? You could arguably say Jason is a reporter, but an editor and writer aren't quite the same thing as a reporter. Additionally, there isn't a lot of context to the position of the devs that have spoken with insiders, or when they spoke with them, etc. Tho some like Osiris have provided some further details on that front that are appreciated.

I don't think anyone should be clinging to the Github stuff 100%, but there are other sources in addition to insiders that are at least seemingly as credible. And some of those, also have actual data out there that can be analyzed (in fact several products have confirmed the validity of that very data that's been found).

Honestly at this point anyone putting all their faith into only one source are probably going to have a rude awakening in a few months from now, if not sooner. But that's just how things go with next-gen console discussion seems like xD.
8TF for current gen games. And Cerny said in the same breath talk of 8.4TFLOP performance with half precision floats and rapid packed maths etc.Cerny is a hard ware engineer.. Penello comes across as a used car salesman dressed in a sharp suit, he knows what he says is to gain mindshare for MS. He works for Amazon, but he was bragging how great his team is with working with team xbox regarding app Compatibility etc.
 
The only real lesson is that if you are really keeping an eye on the internet and want to acquire some «internet credit» you can easily pass off as an insider. Esp. when you can use the «plans change» excuse every time you are wrong. Plans changed when the pro didn’t have a 4k drive, plans changed when we didn’t have a ps5 reveal in February (well technically we still have a few days so anything can happen). Just the DF article from April speaks for itself, when most people here actually believe that the double digits rumor originated from....insiders!!!
 

demigod

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Well I stand corrected. See you after Sony’s reveal to see what the «insiders» got right.
The only real lesson is that if you are really keeping an eye on the internet and want to acquire some «internet credit» you can easily pass off as an insider. Esp. when you can use the «plans change» excuse every time you are wrong. Plans changed when the pro didn’t have a 4k drive, plans changed when we didn’t have a ps5 reveal in February (well technically we still have a few days so anything can happen). Just the DF article from April speaks for itself, when most people here actually believe that the double digits rumor originated from....insiders!!!

I thought you took the L and left?
 

IkarugaDE

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The only real lesson is that if you are really keeping an eye on the internet and want to acquire some «internet credit» you can easily pass off as an insider. Esp. when you can use the «plans change» excuse every time you are wrong. Plans changed when the pro didn’t have a 4k drive, plans changed when we didn’t have a ps5 reveal in February (well technically we still have a few days so anything can happen). Just the DF article from April speaks for itself, when most people here actually believe that the double digits rumor originated from....insiders!!!
Believe me, that is happening more often than you think.
 
The info about 'bombs to drop in the next few months', what like Crackdown 3? As this was posted month or so before its release. No-one would know the exact launch line-up of Series X in Jan 2019. I mean it fails the sanity check.

The PS5 info sounds made up too.

Also Arthur Gies is an odious little man.
Why wouldn't people know about games that require 3-5 years of development in 2019? This guy was pretty spot on.
 

Mr Moose

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The only real lesson is that if you are really keeping an eye on the internet and want to acquire some «internet credit» you can easily pass off as an insider. Esp. when you can use the «plans change» excuse every time you are wrong. Plans changed when the pro didn’t have a 4k drive, plans changed when we didn’t have a ps5 reveal in February (well technically we still have a few days so anything can happen). Just the DF article from April speaks for itself, when most people here actually believe that the double digits rumor originated from....insiders!!!
It came from Digital Foundry insiders.
 

Gavin Stevens

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I don’t see $599.99, good god that would be a disaster. It’s essentially the price point that’s been a meme for years, and while we all know what you’re getting is worth that, it wouldn’t make sense with regard to the bom.

I see $499.99 with a possible, slight chance of $449.99 depending on how aggressive they want to be. Anything less that this and you’re in a realm of fairies and talking chipmunks.
 

Disco_

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So unofficial that Forbes reported it. And if you know more official than corporate earning calls, then I tip my hat:


Excuse me, it's not official that Sony is waiting out Microsoft on the price although their CFO is explicitely quoted in a Forbes article (and plenty others) saying just that? And you use the word denial to describe the fact that he said what he said?
I don't even know which world I live in anymore.

Smh @ reading comprehension skills these days.


Did you read the transcript from the earnings call? Be honest.
 

Gudji

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So basically XSX 599 and Lockhart "next-gen" console at 299-349? Good way to have two dead consoles. lmao
 
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Bo_Hazem

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11.6/12.4 never changed numbers and those are gdk not retail units. Yes I did say the PSV gdk was loud and hot and it was. Newer one is not pretty simple actually. I still stand on those original numbers as I said I will die on this hill. I would like to know who said the XseX was finished and in form factor and out in certain peoples homes before i did. That's not just a toss shit at the wall statement. Also about the day drinking who says we didn't go out to eat? I mean I did send a Mod verification as to exactly where I was before I posted anything about it. Its fine though keep beating that drum. You keep hating and I will keep on day drinking at Bar Le Lab. Also don't twist my words I said that the newer gdk is slightly ahead and it is if you ask my opinion I still think the PSV will release with a higher overall TF and performance number than the XseX. Nothing has changed they were BOTH targeting 13TF as stated before so I don't even know why people keep saying 9. This gets funnier as time goes by though ..... Osiris "New game runs at 4k 90fps locked" few days later Microsoft "Were supporting 4k and up to 120fps." Yep you're right I have no idea or clue and the pictures (multiple) I sent the mods don't mean anything. /s

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Mr Moose

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Obviously I am not putting the people working at DF in the same category with the various forum fake insiders. The guys at DF are the definition of legit.
To be fair to the insiders on here and Era they could know stuff, we don't know if they are legit, we can just cross our fingers and hope for the best.
If they turn out to be fake, we'll just tell them to fuck off next time they say anything.
I'd rather not chase anyone away, unless I know for a fact they are full of shit.
 
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He's the original person who said he thinks it could be 8 to 9. Like a year ago he said that. Maybe half a year. But he didn't take colbert and others words for that. He originally stated that as his belief.
We will all assume Colbert and the others like Klobrille dont chat like a bunch of bitches on Discord, when the way they leak info out there simultaneous to Klobrilles yapping on Twitter. They all went by what info MS had.. that PS5 will launch 2019, no Raytracing etc.
Penello is just a salesman. In fact, with how he has his boy toys wrapped around his finger on Era, he's quite the conman.
 

CrustyBritches

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The Reddit 12/4TF leak states $499 XSX(Anaconda) and $249 XSS(Lockhart). With the regrettable advent of Covid-19, I could see that jumping by $50, unless they want to take a hit on it.

The XSX was always meant to be a "Halo" device that shows the Xbox and it's games in the best light. A marketing tool of sorts. The Lockhart, xCloud, and PC exist as mainstream platforms for everybody else.
 
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