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Endless Fluff

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This will end up being like the H1N1 pandemic. It will go on for a year, we'll get our 1b infected, a few 100k will die from this and then it'll stick around as another form of the flu we have to deal with every now and then... if we're lucky it won't be as bad in terms of infections and deaths, if we're really unlucky it will stick around and become seasonal.

I mean, getting worried over this is dumb. If you're unlucky then influenza can kill you with the same symptoms, are you all afraid of the flu? So if you aren't afraid of the flu then there's no reason to be afraid of SARS-CoV-2. It sucks that it exists, but it is what it is...

Anyways, Germany will most likely get its first death from SARS-CoV-2 soon. One of the two new infected took a bit too long to see a doctor, he had a severe case of pneumonia and was in critical condition, he was put on a ventilator... now the news say his condition is life threatening. There's also two more infected, both relatives from one of the two new infected.
Rock And Roll said:
Need help from Canada/Toronto GAF. Any idea where to get masks around these parts? Shoppers and Walmart are sold out. Would painting/sanding masks from Canadian Tire do the trick?
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The main reason for the masks is to stop you from touching your face, any mask with an 8110S/N95 rating works, which most sanding masks should have. Keep in mind that they're only effective for 30-60 minutes since they get wet.
 
Captain Zyrain

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Smiles and Cries said:
4 Children infected?



welp the age thing is going to be a none issue soon young people
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I believe kids have caught it before now, they just tend not to develop into serious or fatal cases. Hopefully that continues, though I would not rule out the virus mutating in some way between the Wuhan-specific outbreak and what is happening across the globe. USUALLY it mutates to become LESS deadly and easier to spread, but I don't see why it couldn't theoretically go the Plague Inc path and evolve into a deadlier strain as well.

Endless Fluff said:
This will end up being like the H1N1 pandemic. It will go on for a year, we'll get our 1b infected, a few 100k will die from this and then it'll stick around as another form of the flu we have to deal with every now and then... if we're lucky it won't be as bad in terms of infections and deaths, if we're really unlucky it will stick around and become seasonal.

I mean, getting worried over this is dumb. If you're unlucky then influenza can kill you with the same symptoms, are you all afraid of the flu? So if you aren't afraid of the flu then there's no reason to be afraid of SARS-CoV-2. It sucks that it exists, but it is what it is...

Anyways, Germany will most likely get its first death from SARS-CoV-2 soon. One of the two new infected took a bit too long to see a doctor, he had a severe case of pneumonia and was in critical condition, he was put on a ventilator... now the news say his condition is life threatening. There's also two more infected, both relatives from one of the two new infected.

The main reason for the masks is to stop you from touching your face, any mask with an 8110S/N95 rating works, which most sanding masks should have. Keep in mind that they're only effective for 30-60 minutes since they get wet.
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I don't WANT the flu. I am SCARED of a flu that is 10x-30x as deadly. Not just for me, but I have parents and older loved ones.

Praise Allah

 
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Captain Zyrain

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Just the flu, bro.

www.hawaiinewsnow.com

Officials: Hawaii flu outbreak complicated by virus fears

“There is an obvious psychological component to the flu this year complicated by the coronavirus."
www.hawaiinewsnow.com www.hawaiinewsnow.com

February 24, 2020 at 6:15 AM HST - Updated February 24 at 6:15 AM

HONOLULU (AP) — Hawaii is bracing for 50,000 to 70,000 cases of flu this year. But a surge in influenza has been complicated by fears of the new virus that started in China.
Many patients visiting Hawaii emergency rooms for flu cases are worried about contracting the illness known as COVID-19, The Honolulu Star-Advertiser reported Sunday.

The flu is running rampant at Hawaii health care facilities, officials said. A handful of hospitals diverted ambulances on at least one day last week because they were overwhelmed beyond capacity.
“There is an obvious psychological component to the flu this year complicated by the coronavirus. None of our Hawaii residents have had coronavirus, but it’s still a very real thing on people’s minds,” said Democratic Lt. Gov. Josh Green, an emergency room doctor.

The U.S. has already had 22 million influenza cases in the four months since flu season began. About three dozen Americans have been reported to have the virus that emerged late last year in central China.
One in 1,000 people typically die of the flu, officials said.

“That’s not an insignificant number at all. That’s thousands of people that have died from the flu. That’s 50 to 70 people who could die from complications of flu in Hawaii each year alone,” Green said.

Green added: “Of course coronavirus is killing 25 people out of 1,000. It’s much more lethal, but you still have to be super mindful of the flu because so many people get it.”
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Endless Fluff said:
This will end up being like the H1N1 pandemic. It will go on for a year, we'll get our 1b infected, a few 100k will die from this and then it'll stick around as another form of the flu we have to deal with every now and then... if we're lucky it won't be as bad in terms of infections and deaths, if we're really unlucky it will stick around and become seasonal.

I mean, getting worried over this is dumb. If you're unlucky then influenza can kill you with the same symptoms, are you all afraid of the flu? So if you aren't afraid of the flu then there's no reason to be afraid of SARS-CoV-2. It sucks that it exists, but it is what it is...

Anyways, Germany will most likely get its first death from SARS-CoV-2 soon. One of the two new infected took a bit too long to see a doctor, he had a severe case of pneumonia and was in critical condition, he was put on a ventilator... now the news say his condition is life threatening. There's also two more infected, both relatives from one of the two new infected.

The main reason for the masks is to stop you from touching your face, any mask with an 8110S/N95 rating works, which most sanding masks should have. Keep in mind that they're only effective for 30-60 minutes since they get wet.
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Good for you ! You can help all the sick people , we need people who are fearless! You can be the front line.
 
T8SC

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Would you travel abroad for a holiday at present? or would you cancel your trip & stay where you have access to medical resources if required?

It was a discussion I had with some friends today, some are booked to go away in the coming weeks others have cancelled their trips ... Not all were going to confirmed countries but still, it makes you wonder if some countries are keeping tight lipped on infections.
 
GHG

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T8SC said:
Would you travel abroad for a holiday at present? or would you cancel your trip & stay where you have access to medical resources if required?

It was a discussion I had with some friends today, some are booked to go away in the coming weeks others have cancelled their trips ... Not all were going to confirmed countries but still, it makes you wonder if some countries are keeping tight lipped on infections.
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Right now I'd cancel and postpone until we have a clearer picture of what's happening on a global scale.

Plenty of people will be incubating this thing right now, especially in Western countries, it won't be clear how bad it is for a couple of weeks.
 
ExpandKong

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Endless Fluff said:
This will end up being like the H1N1 pandemic. It will go on for a year, we'll get our 1b infected, a few 100k will die from this and then it'll stick around as another form of the flu we have to deal with every now and then... if we're lucky it won't be as bad in terms of infections and deaths, if we're really unlucky it will stick around and become seasonal.

I mean, getting worried over this is dumb. If you're unlucky then influenza can kill you with the same symptoms, are you all afraid of the flu? So if you aren't afraid of the flu then there's no reason to be afraid of SARS-CoV-2. It sucks that it exists, but it is what it is...
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That’s genius, you should go to the UN and tell the governments of the world they’re just being chickens.
 
Sakura

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Endless Fluff said:
This will end up being like the H1N1 pandemic. It will go on for a year, we'll get our 1b infected, a few 100k will die from this and then it'll stick around as another form of the flu we have to deal with every now and then... if we're lucky it won't be as bad in terms of infections and deaths, if we're really unlucky it will stick around and become seasonal.

I mean, getting worried over this is dumb. If you're unlucky then influenza can kill you with the same symptoms, are you all afraid of the flu? So if you aren't afraid of the flu then there's no reason to be afraid of SARS-CoV-2. It sucks that it exists, but it is what it is...

Anyways, Germany will most likely get its first death from SARS-CoV-2 soon. One of the two new infected took a bit too long to see a doctor, he had a severe case of pneumonia and was in critical condition, he was put on a ventilator... now the news say his condition is life threatening. There's also two more infected, both relatives from one of the two new infected.
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If 1 billion people were infected, we'd probably have 10 to 30 million die. Probably more if medical facilities are overloaded (which they would be if we had 1 billion cases), and when you consider the 3rd world countries.
H1N1 had a low case fatality rate. New coronavirus is currently sitting at around 2 to 3%. I don't believe entire cities or regions were on lockdown/quarantine during the H1N1 pandemic either, at the very least not to this degree.
For some comparison, 2 months into the H1N1 flu, we were sitting at 55,867 confirmed cases and 238 confirmed deaths, giving us 0.4%, though I believe it ended up being a bit lower. Now, I believe we are about two months into coronavirus, and we are at 80,239 confirmed cases and 2,700 confirmed deaths (as of the 25th), giving us a case fatality rate of 3.36%.
I don't think anyone should be worried about catching the new coronavirus at the moment, unless they live quarantined places, or Iran or something, but the worry that it could spread, and the worry about the impact on the economy, I think are real worries.
 
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T8SC

T8SC

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GHG said:
Right now I'd cancel and postpone until we have a clearer picture of what's happening on a global scale.

Plenty of people will be incubating this thing right now, especially in Western countries, it won't be clear how bad it is for a couple of weeks.
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That was basically my train of thought too. I have friends going out to Turkey & Ukraine, I dont think either have confirmed cases but im not sure what kinda medical support a foreigner would get and could end up quarantined out there.
 
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I was in my local chemist yesterday, and the guy in front of me bought a box of face masks and four small bottles of hand gel (the kind that requires no water). At the supermarket, I saw a young woman of Chinese appearance with a face mask on looking at washing up gloves. She had a cluster of bright red boils on her face, so perhaps the mask was related to that. Apart from these two sightings, I didn't see anything here in my area of London that suggested we're in the midst of a virus outbreak. There are no signs of mass panic buying, empty shelves, people behaving differently in public, etc. I wonder how long that will last, though. It feels like the calm before the storm.
 
Starfield

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Endless Fluff said:
This will end up being like the H1N1 pandemic. It will go on for a year, we'll get our 1b infected, a few 100k will die from this and then it'll stick around as another form of the flu we have to deal with every now and then... if we're lucky it won't be as bad in terms of infections and deaths, if we're really unlucky it will stick around and become seasonal.

I mean, getting worried over this is dumb. If you're unlucky then influenza can kill you with the same symptoms, are you all afraid of the flu? So if you aren't afraid of the flu then there's no reason to be afraid of SARS-CoV-2. It sucks that it exists, but it is what it is...

Anyways, Germany will most likely get its first death from SARS-CoV-2 soon. One of the two new infected took a bit too long to see a doctor, he had a severe case of pneumonia and was in critical condition, he was put on a ventilator... now the news say his condition is life threatening. There's also two more infected, both relatives from one of the two new infected.

The main reason for the masks is to stop you from touching your face, any mask with an 8110S/N95 rating works, which most sanding masks should have. Keep in mind that they're only effective for 30-60 minutes since they get wet.
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Flu: 0.1% deathrate

Covid2019: 2.4 up to 4.8% deathrate (yet unclear could become higher)



Estimated date of possible global vaccine: 2021


Yeah, EXACTLY like the flu
 
Rentahamster

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T8SC said:
Would you travel abroad for a holiday at present? or would you cancel your trip & stay where you have access to medical resources if required?

It was a discussion I had with some friends today, some are booked to go away in the coming weeks others have cancelled their trips ... Not all were going to confirmed countries but still, it makes you wonder if some countries are keeping tight lipped on infections.
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Yes. I was just in Japan eating the best food in the world and playing Dragon Quest Walk.
 
Wwg1wga

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Kadayi said:
China went into Lockdown. That's how they've kept the numbers down. Do you think London is capable of that? Or Berlin or Paris?
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:whistle: :messenger_musical::messenger_musical::messenger_musical:
news.cgtn.com

Five million people left Wuhan before the lockdown, where did they go?

news.cgtn.com news.cgtn.com

news.abs-cbn.com

Travelers escape China virus lockdown via bridge over Yangtze river

The Yangtze divides Jiujiang in Jiangxi province and Huanggang in neighboring Hubei, one of the cities hardest hit by the coronavirus outbreak and now sealed off from the rest of China to try to contain it.
news.abs-cbn.com news.abs-cbn.com

 
Endless Fluff

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Sakura said:
If 1 billion people were infected, we'd probably have 10 to 30 million die. Probably more if medical facilities are overloaded (which they would be if we had 1 billion cases), and when you consider the 3rd world countries.
H1N1 had a low case fatality rate. New coronavirus is currently sitting at around 2 to 3%. I don't believe entire cities or regions were on lockdown/quarantine during the H1N1 pandemic either, at the very least not to this degree.
For some comparison, 2 months into the H1N1 flu, we were sitting at 55,867 confirmed cases and 238 confirmed deaths, giving us 0.4%, though I believe it ended up being a bit lower. Now, I believe we are about two months into coronavirus, and we are at 80,239 confirmed cases and 2,700 confirmed deaths (as of the 25th), giving us a case fatality rate of 3.36%.
I don't think anyone should be worried about catching the new coronavirus at the moment, unless they live quarantined places, or Iran or something, but the worry that it could spread, and the worry about the impact on the economy, I think are real worries.
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You simply can't compare the H1N1 spread with SARS-CoV-2. There was no chinese new year with millions of people sitting on top of each other with 5 millions leaving the area before quarantine back then (this also explains the drastic measures taken by china), you also have to keep in mind that the first SARS-CoV-2 case goes back to the end of December. Who knows how many had it when it was time for chinese new year, which just increased the spread. Therefore CFR is also hard to compare... most of H1N1 cases in the first two month were in the US (22k, China had only 900 at the time) and other western countries with good health care... 82% of SARS-CoV-2 cases are in Wuhan.

I'm not saying that SARS-CoV-2 is as harmless as H1N1 in terms of illness it's definitely more severe, especially when you lack proper health care (most deaths from H1N1 sadly occured in china, so...), but I suspect that CFR will go down quite a bit and in the end we will move on, maybe with a vaccine, and then we'll end up having to live with SARS-CoV-2, just like we have to live with H1N1, which had its last outbreak in 2017?

I mean we are 3 month in and we have 2500 registered deaths. H1N1 had an estimated 280k after 18 month with 700m-1.4b infected.
 
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synchronicity

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Breakage said:
I was in my local chemist yesterday, and the guy in front of me bought a box of face masks and four small bottles of hand gel (the kind that requires no water). At the supermarket, I saw a young woman of Chinese appearance with a face mask on looking at washing up gloves. She had a cluster of bright red boils on her face, so perhaps the mask was related to that. Apart from these two sightings, I didn't see anything here in my area of London that suggested we're in the midst of a virus outbreak. There are no signs of mass panic buying, empty shelves, people behaving differently in public, etc. I wonder how long that will last, though. It feels like the calm before the storm.
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Yeah, it doesn't take much to tip things from relative calm order to :

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We'll live happily oblivious...until we don't.

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cryptoadam

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T8SC said:
Would you travel abroad for a holiday at present? or would you cancel your trip & stay where you have access to medical resources if required?

It was a discussion I had with some friends today, some are booked to go away in the coming weeks others have cancelled their trips ... Not all were going to confirmed countries but still, it makes you wonder if some countries are keeping tight lipped on infections.
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My buddy has a trip to Thailand planned in April. He says he isn't going near China since his flight is going through Qatar. We laughed at him and said Thailand is right near CHINA LOL.

Now I guess with this thing in the ME he aint safe either way.

My boss club med trip was cancelled weeks ago (also to Thailand).

Personally I wouldn't go on any trips. Its not even about getting infected, its about getting trapped in a quarantine. I don't want to be in a situation like the Diamond Cruise passangers. Imagine your somewhere and they stop all flights and declare a lockdown. Surviving in some foreign country under martial law doesn't sound appealing to me. Getting stuck somewhere for 14-28 days, no hotel, can't speak the language, no family/friends, not cool.
 
Smiles and Cries

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Wwg1wga said:
you said : "China went into Lockdown. That's how they've kept the numbers down." People don't give a fuck about the lockdown, they still keep fleeing the cities.
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I think a lockdown might prove to be effective to get the numbers in the city to drop after a while like Wuhan hardly reporting huge numbers anymore

but those who left the area have gone and spread it to South Korea, Iran, Italy so unless a lockdown can prevent people from escaping or fleeing it we all are fucked
 
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