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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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ethomaz

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I'm no tech head and I'm not saying its RDNA1, but is it not possible it could be RDNA2 and still be a few tf down on XSX, and the virus is a perfect excuse to delay the Ps5. It shouldn't have stopped Sony announcing the specs as if it were delayed due to the virus I'm sure everyone will be understanding.
Virus can’t delay one alone because both are made by the same companies.

if PS5 is delayed due vírus then both will be delayed.

Now being RDNA2 doesn’t means it can’t be 9.2TFs like you said but it increases a lot the chances of being around or even > 12TFs.
 
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If I recall correctly time-wise, Sony *did* respond to the Github "leak" with that cheeky Death Stranding tweet?

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that was a response to it. It all felt like it matched up too easily with the press trying to report it as golden.

No, the Death Stranding tweet was about something else, some celebration event they were doing at the time and had been doing up to that point for a few weeks actually.

Question

RDNA flops x 1.5 = GCN flops?

More like 1.4 (RDNA1 25% over GCN, RDNA2 about 15% over RDNA1).

For reference, Turing is 34% over RDNA1.
 
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LED Guy?

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FYI, people who actually understand how this tech works have explained this quite a few times. Here and on other forums as well. The data in the initial Oberon A0 leak was from an Ariel iGPU profile testlist ran in regression mode.

It's nothing to do with fanboys; it's just speaking to that very likely was actually the case given AMD's naming nomenclature for their chips, and given Ariel came before Oberon as well as the fact Ariel was an RDNA1 chip. So even if Oberon is an RDNA2 chip, as it's ran in Ariel iGPU profile and running its testlists, the results would only be configured for Ariel's specifications, and not necessarily Oberon's.

Considering the first Oberon devkit got sent out a bit after E3 2019, and the claim from insiders that XSX devkits were running behind in schedule compared to PS5, yet an APU die shot of XSX's APU was published online in early January, we can assume from there that XSX's APU was at least mature enough to produce some semi-final silicon that the Xbox team was comfortable enough to show off. That would mean MS had RDNA2 silicon to work with months earlier in the back half of 2019 and, again, if Sony's devkit progress has been ahead for a stretch of the devkit timing (as many have claimed), they would've had RDNA2 silicon to work with dating back to the time the first Oberon silicon was produced, and ran Ariel iGPU profile testlists on Oberon in regression.

This has nothing to do with most wishing PS5 is 9.2TF; just because the Oberon information still holds relevance doesn't mean people referring to it want a "bad scenario" for PS5. It's literally just pertinent data, and it gives us a timeline and some context for PS5 silicon production & testing. However if you better understood the actual test case for Oberon then it'd be easier for you to understand why people like myself believe that the fuller Oberon chip has very likely not yet been tested outside of the Ariel iGPU profile, either. Or at least hasn't had testing data found yet pointing to such.

In other words, we haven't seen the entirety of the Oberon chip, and there have been other revisions since the first one addressing silicon issues. The fact that Oberon has seen testing as late as December 2019 indicates that in all likelihood, it is the PS5 chip, so with that new context we can take comments from people like Matt (which mentioned to disregard it) to most likely refer to the testing data itself not being representative of final specifications, because since the testing data ran was Ariel iGPU profile testlists, that would make Matt's statement accurate. He also said that the data wasn't representative of the final chip (or something to that effect), which is also accurate because Ariel's iGPU profile obviously wouldn't be Oberon's.

So with Oberon as the PS5 chip, it just asks the question if E0 is the final revision, and if either E0 (or an F0) are the final revision, how big is the actual chip. Those are things that will hopefully be found in due time. But in the advent of recent news from AMD, I think for people weighing the options about equally, it actually strengthens the case of Oberon rather than weakening it, because there's enough circumstantial information in this pot to make Oberon testing data and insider claims converge to some point of agreement. The question is just moreso what upper range of insider claims are actually accurate. Does PS5's potential TF performance run from 9.2-10, or 9.2-11, 9.2-12, 9.2-13? We literally don't know.

However, it's fair to keep expectations in check. The higher you set its ceiling you also raise its floor; you have to realize at what point pricing comes into play. And we already have a few BOM estimates from a few reputable sources, so we can then extrapolate what type of chip size fits into those BOM estimates and what it would need to hit your assumed numbers.

We can kind of thank Sony's insistent silence on creating this situation where these multiple sources pretty much equally valid for consideration, because they themselves haven't narrowed much anything down. But given what we've got so far, I see no reason to disregard the Github info or the testing data that's been datamined since then, because agreement with them does not automatically indicate someone also believes or wants the 9.2TF number, either! That's why it's helpful to decouple your biases in analysis, otherwise you draw certain conclusions from people by inferring a certain agenda or angle in their analysis when a neutral read on that analysis will likely show you they are just commenting on what information is there and trying to be relatively neutral themselves.
That's why I was saying that the Oberon leak is out of context, it just needs context, that's all, but trying to shove it down while it is stating "Navi 10 Lite" & PS5 being RDNA 2 is stupid (not you, but others on REEE), it is more likely that the data is inconsistent and not fully available to us.

Also GODDAMMIT man, your posts are too long LOL!!

Since you like long posts, please read this:


EDIT: "That's why it's helpful to decouple your biases in analysis, otherwise you draw certain conclusions from people by inferring a certain agenda or angle in their analysis when a neutral read on that analysis will likely show you they are just commenting on what information is there and trying to be relatively neutral themselves."

Looks like you haven't seen Xbox fanboys CRYING over AMD confirming PS5 being RDNA 2 and how much they have been pushing this agenda of a PS5 being a 9.2 TF console all the time, when info like the GitHub is falling apart right now and they still insist it being true, while many warned like Jason Schreier saying both consoles have been targeting over 10.7 TFs AFTER the XSX reveal of 12 TFs, that was in December of 2019, way after Sony sent out hypothetical Oberon 9.2 TF dev kits.

So 9.2 TF predictions is really wearing thin right now.
 
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I'm literally currently playing on my ps4 as I type (Bioshock Collection) ergo me-not-a-fanboy of any system, but...

Some of you guys pretending you're not Sony fanboys going on an active hunt to find Xbox fanboys is sorta comical right now.

Protip. Anyone that accuses others of being fanboys & justifies it on the type of system they're currently gaming on......its clearly projection:

What difference does it make when you have admitted to be playing on Xbox One X while being really being defensive about gamepass for some reason:
So when I'm sitting there playing Final Fantasy XV Royal Edition on my One X through gamepass, I'm really just imagining it & it's in fact the DRM circa 2013 all over again? Goddamn, thanks for telling me, I might have inadvertently had fun if you hadn't posted that. BRB gonna cancel my subscription.

Anyone that is playing a game as mediorce as Ryse in 2020 while proudly boasting about enjoying it on gamepass definately has a preference to say the least:
I'm playing through Ryse on my Xbox One X whilst drinking my second glass of wine of the evening. Good times with my gamepass & One X.

My favorite...being overly sensitive about Sony being concerned about the cornavirus (the usual suspects liked this post as well):
Look at these other bastards on the PAX East schedule, i.e. all putting literal lives at risk because unlike Sony they haven't cancelled: https://east.paxsite.com/schedule Let's hope they're "proud of themselves" for risking a pandemic just for games! "Wow just wow I can't even".

Just think of all the inconsiderate bastards travelling from Japan/Asia to the USA as I type as well for xyz reasons (business, vacation etc.), also all putting literal lives at risk. How about the selfish uncaring airline companies & government who haven't cancelled flights between Asia & the USA? Bastards!

How can Sony save the world when they're surrounded by such nasty people who wilfully risk the spread of the coronavirus?

...

That's how your virtue signalling post can be interpreted.

Everyone has a bias but trying to be fake about it by accusing others while having the classic warrior style posting is hilarious.
 

McHuj

Member
I remember the graph about perf per clock increase but I don’t remember they stating these 15%.

Yeah, you're right. I think this comes from estimates based on comparing GCN to RNDA and then RDNA to RDNA2. AMD claimed 50% perf/watt gains from GCN to RNDA and then same gains from RDNA to RDNA2. GCN to RDNA has a 25% increase in performance/clock. Maybe assumption was to low for the 15%, it maybe 20-25% which is a lot better :). Hopefully, those gains do not include VRS and RT workloads.
 

ruvikx

Banned
Protip. Anyone that accuses others of being fanboys & justifies it on the type of system they're currently gaming on......its clearly projection:

What difference does it make when you have admitted to be playing on Xbox One X while being really being defensive about gamepass for some reason:


Anyone that is playing a game as mediorce as Ryse in 2020 while proudly boasting about enjoying it on gamepass definately has a preference to say the least:


My favorite...being overly sensitive about Sony being concerned about the cornavirus (the usual suspects liked this post as well):


Everyone has a bias but trying to be fake about it by accusing others while having the classic warrior style posting is hilarious.

Console wars = serious business.

Get a grip, dude. I play Ryse to collect easy achievements, I use gamepass to play games I'd usually pay a lot more for (or I wouldn't play at all), I have an Xbox One X to get the best console graphics on my favorite games like Witcher 3, Resident Evil 2, Fallout 4 etc. & I have a ps4 because that's what I bought in 2013, that's what I have dozens upon dozens of digital purchases on (including Bioshock Collection) & finally, what I do with my gaming time doesn't negate my opinion on imbecilic fanboys fishing for console wars like religious zealots hunting down infidels.

Hunting through my posts, making a case like you're a cheap attorney & attempting to deflect my opinion in this thread based on all this "evidence" = literal dementedness. But carry on, I'm sure you're "normal" in some circles.
 

Bludbro

Neo Member
Are you guys going to make a video about RDNA 2 on PS5?

I dont really get why you guys are ignoring this topic so far.

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I'm not sure it needs an entire video all by itself. Github leak was worth analysing because it had deep implications, a ten second video to say hey AMD seems to confirm RDNA2 for PS5 is not really what DF do. Keep up the good work digital foundry. Cant wait for your analysis when full specs officially revealed. :messenger_savoring:
 

LED Guy?

Banned
I'm literally currently playing on my ps4 as I type (Bioshock Collection) ergo me-not-a-fanboy of any system, but...



How about just because the PS5 is RDNA 2 it doesn't mean it's going to be 12 teraflops or higher? I've been browsing through these threads casually for the last few days & something seems lost in translation, i.e. just because the ps5 is using the nicey nice RDNA 2, it doesn't mean it's going to either equal or blow the Series X specs away. Some of you guys pretending you're not Sony fanboys going on an active hunt to find Xbox fanboys is sorta comical right now. Just wait & see, i.e. I'm sure we'll all find out the ps5 specs sooner rather than later.

It should be fun.
Look, what I'm saying is, that the PS5 is RDNA 2 means it debunked the GitHub leaks, because GitHub leaks did state that it is Navi 10 Lite so..... that leads us to guys like Kleegamefan, Jason Schreier and all others who said that the PS5 is as powerful as XSX or even more, because the GitHub leak is the only thing that negated what those insiders and journalists said, which was false from the beginning........ you get the point.
 

ethomaz

Banned
Yeah, you're right. I think this comes from estimates based on comparing GCN to RNDA and then RDNA to RDNA2. AMD claimed 50% perf/watt gains from GCN to RNDA and then same gains from RDNA to RDNA2. GCN to RDNA has a 25% increase in performance/clock. Maybe assumption was to low for the 15%, it maybe 20-25% which is a lot better :). Hopefully, those gains do not include VRS and RT workloads.
I believe if it was 15% or even 20-25% AMD should be putting in slides with big letter just like what they did with RDNA.

Anyway just to others knows what we are talking about the slide of that part:

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On the right there is “Improve Perf. per Clock (IPC)” but they didn’t say anything about it :(

The graph on left is still about Perf. per Watt (+50%).
 
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Md Ray

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I seriously hope we get some actual legit info on PS5 soon as the wait is driving me nuts. :\
Tell me about it. :\
Love your contents, John, always look forward to your both Retro as well as non-retro stuff, though, I know you enjoy covering retro a lot more. Speaking of Retro, could you take a look at The House of the Dead series at some point? It just occurred to me yesterday after seeing one of the threads related to it here. Thanks.
 
Looking at the pending slate, I can see a bit more of why Sony isn't really speaking, as frustrating as it is.

Microsoft doesn't have anything on the docket that even compares to FFVII-R, TLOU2 and Ghosts in the next 3 months. Those are big-time sellers.

Keeping next-gen front and center and having sales or price drops for One X is Microsoft's only real counter at the moment, so it makes sense. This goes double if E3 ends up fading away due to companies backing out or the virus causing it to be shut down.

I think Microsoft has a learned a hard lesson and their next-gen offerings will go a lot further than the Traditional Trio(Gears, Forza, Halo).

Yeah, a good lineup didn't stop Sony from speaking in 2013, but FFVII is a potential record breaker(insert it prints money meme).

PS5 is still on the forefront of everyone's mind on Sony's social media, even by people who don't frequent gaming communities online like this one.


I don't think it has to do with a power differential, but more due to virus concerns and that they know the strength of their lineup and don't see a reason to, which is vexing but not entirely unreasonable.
 

FranXico

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I think Microsoft has a learned a hard lesson and their next-gen offerings will go a lot further than the Traditional Trio(Gears, Forza, Halo).
That does not come into fruition overnight though. I think that MS is also aware of that and has already been opening their "warchest" to delay/block a good deal of big third party games from coming out on the PS5. This will buy them time until the new IP hits come out.

When all those "unprecedented partnerships" get announced, I just want to see if the same people who were spamming this forum with "anti-consumer Sony exclusives" threads will actually say the same about Microsoft.
 

Smoke6

Member
I'm literally currently playing on my ps4 as I type (Bioshock Collection) ergo me-not-a-fanboy of any system, but...



How about just because the PS5 is RDNA 2 it doesn't mean it's going to be 12 teraflops or higher? I've been browsing through these threads casually for the last few days & something seems lost in translation, i.e. just because the ps5 is using the nicey nice RDNA 2, it doesn't mean it's going to either equal or blow the Series X specs away. Some of you guys pretending you're not Sony fanboys going on an active hunt to find Xbox fanboys is sorta comical right now. Just wait & see, i.e. I'm sure we'll all find out the ps5 specs sooner rather than later.

It should be fun.
But the specs are damn near similar to what the XSX has except Sony is doing things differently and more better on those resgards!
 

SAMZ

Member
It just got me thinking thats all. I'm not techinical at all.

9.2 x 1.4 = 12.88

Probably sound stupid saying this LOL
 
That's why I was saying that the Oberon leak is out of context, it just needs context, that's all, but trying to shove it down while it is stating "Navi 10 Lite" & PS5 being RDNA 2 is stupid (not you, but others on REEE), it is more likely that the data is inconsistent and not fully available to us.

Also GODDAMMIT man, your posts are too long LOL!!

Since you like long posts, please read this:


EDIT: "That's why it's helpful to decouple your biases in analysis, otherwise you draw certain conclusions from people by inferring a certain agenda or angle in their analysis when a neutral read on that analysis will likely show you they are just commenting on what information is there and trying to be relatively neutral themselves."

Looks like you haven't seen Xbox fanboys CRYING over AMD confirming PS5 being RDNA 2 and how much they have been pushing this agenda of a PS5 being a 9.2 TF console all the time, when info like the GitHub is falling apart right now and they still insist it being true, while many warned like Jason Schreier saying both consoles have been targeting over 10.7 TFs AFTER the XSX reveal of 12 TFs, that was in December of 2019, way before Sony sent out hypothetical Oberon 9.2 TF dev kits.

So 9.2 TF predictions is really wearing thin right now.

:LOL: it's all good, man. We're just here chilling and having some fun next-gen spec discussions...that said I can't help doing long writing. Once my hands start it's very hard to stop....with writing, obviously.

I do agree there are some Xbox diehards who unfortunately keep insisting PS5 isn't RDNA2; maybe they saw some of those earlier bad rumors and never got the chance to catch up, or they're being deliberate. But I don't want to make it seem like they're the entirety of Xbox fans, they certainly aren't. By the same token, there were PlayStation diehards trying to insist for a long time that the 12TF rumors for XSX were "unsupported" by Spencer at the TGAs, by using architectural conversions (a fair thing to do) instead of taking his '2x the X' claims literally. Again, that isn't most PS fans, but for the diehard ones, is it not fair to ask how many of them would've accepted XSX as 12TF RDNA2 if AMD practically inferred it in a conference, instead of it coming from Microsoft themselves?

I agree that the Github info, and the GPU testing data gradually uncovered since, should both be taken with a pinch of salt, because as you and I seem to agree on, Oberon is very likely the PS5 chip BUT the info and testing data don't give a full look of the chip whatsoever, just testlists done with the outdated Ariel profile. I think it's fair to be skeptical of that info and the testing data to a degree if we're also saying it's okay for people to be skeptical of insider claims to a degree as well. And folks can lean a tad to one or the other but not completely disregard the other.

Personally I hope the final answer is something that validates the most reasonably optimistic outcomes of the testing data, insider claims etc. as much as possible, and leaves the worst-case scenarios from them (9.2TF, sub- 9.2TF, performance deltas equal or nearing XBO/PS4 split from this gen (for either system) etc.) in the dust.
 
That does not come into fruition overnight though. I think that MS is also aware of that and has already been opening their "warchest" to delay/block a good deal of big third party games from coming out on the PS5. This will buy them time until the new IP hits come out.

When all those "unprecedented partnerships" get announced, I just want to see if the same people who were spamming this forum with "anti-consumer Sony exclusives" threads will actually say the same about Microsoft.

Yeah, I've stated before that I'm not a fan of moneyhatting on either front. Gamers benefit most when third-party offerings come for all platforms.

For developers for whom being taken in benefits them financially(smaller devs who need extra help) or makes sense because it always seemed that way anyway(i.e. Insomniac), it makes sense.

I've never *ever* liked timed exclusives for games, DLC or otherwise. I think that age has long passed and gamers are sick of it, honestly.

People were right to raise Hell when Sony was being so stoic on cross-play a while ago.
 

Neo Blaster

Member
I'm noticing something, where are all the Xbox fanboys who used to say that "PS5 is Navi 10 Lite because GitHub" after AMD's confirmation of PS5 having RDNA 2 Navi 2X GPU?

It's like they're soooo silent right now, it's strange.

I mean, come out and share your opinions on PS5 having RDNA 2 GPU, we wanna hear your opinions, I know you guys took a huge L but it's OK 😂😂😂
They were busy rationalizing how Oberon could actually be Navi 2X.
 

Neo Blaster

Member
I'm literally currently playing on my ps4 as I type (Bioshock Collection) ergo me-not-a-fanboy of any system, but...



How about just because the PS5 is RDNA 2 it doesn't mean it's going to be 12 teraflops or higher? I've been browsing through these threads casually for the last few days & something seems lost in translation, i.e. just because the ps5 is using the nicey nice RDNA 2, it doesn't mean it's going to either equal or blow the Series X specs away. Some of you guys pretending you're not Sony fanboys going on an active hunt to find Xbox fanboys is sorta comical right now. Just wait & see, i.e. I'm sure we'll all find out the ps5 specs sooner rather than later.

It should be fun.
Of course debunking GitHub leaks just means Oberon is not PS5 final chip, not related to final TF count. But how about all insiders & devs saying both are practically equal?
 

Bogroll

Likes moldy games
Virus can’t delay one alone because both are made by the same companies.

if PS5 is delayed due vírus then both will be delayed.

Now being RDNA2 doesn’t means it can’t be 9.2TFs like you said but it increases a lot the chances of being around or even > 12TFs.
That's what im saying. It's no excuse to delay the announcement of the specs. That's if the rumour of the delayed announcement was indeed true. Hence the conspiracy.
 

LED Guy?

Banned
:LOL: it's all good, man. We're just here chilling and having some fun next-gen spec discussions...that said I can't help doing long writing. Once my hands start it's very hard to stop....with writing, obviously.

I do agree there are some Xbox diehards who unfortunately keep insisting PS5 isn't RDNA2; maybe they saw some of those earlier bad rumors and never got the chance to catch up, or they're being deliberate. But I don't want to make it seem like they're the entirety of Xbox fans, they certainly aren't. By the same token, there were PlayStation diehards trying to insist for a long time that the 12TF rumors for XSX were "unsupported" by Spencer at the TGAs, by using architectural conversions (a fair thing to do) instead of taking his '2x the X' claims literally. Again, that isn't most PS fans, but for the diehard ones, is it not fair to ask how many of them would've accepted XSX as 12TF RDNA2 if AMD practically inferred it in a conference, instead of it coming from Microsoft themselves?

I agree that the Github info, and the GPU testing data gradually uncovered since, should both be taken with a pinch of salt, because as you and I seem to agree on, Oberon is very likely the PS5 chip BUT the info and testing data don't give a full look of the chip whatsoever, just testlists done with the outdated Ariel profile. I think it's fair to be skeptical of that info and the testing data to a degree if we're also saying it's okay for people to be skeptical of insider claims to a degree as well. And folks can lean a tad to one or the other but not completely disregard the other.

Personally I hope the final answer is something that validates the most reasonably optimistic outcomes of the testing data, insider claims etc. as much as possible, and leaves the worst-case scenarios from them (9.2TF, sub- 9.2TF, performance deltas equal or nearing XBO/PS4 split from this gen (for either system) etc.) in the dust.
Yeah I agree, man, and like our friend developer BGs BGs said:

"True leaks are always true at a certain time and circumstances.

Today, 9.2TF, is the only thing that PS5 does not have.

Now is at puberty."

That is why I believe the Oberon WAS the PS5's chip, or maybe it is the PS5's chip IN A CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCE that we simply do not know, but man, the confirmation of RDNA 2 for PS5 is making it even more messy and inconsistent.

Like you said, we'll see, Sony silence is killing us here 😂😂😂
 

FranXico

Member
People were right to raise Hell when Sony was being so stoic on console cross-play a while ago.

FTFY.
Sony actually has always had the best track record out of the Big Three on console-PC cross-play.
But that's because they never saw a threat to their income there.
Naturally, letting go of console multiplayer division was a difficult business decision for them. But fuck that.

Cross-console play was a good thing to complain about, of course. Once Sony gave in, it pretty much became near standard.
I can now go to my PS4 and seamlessly play MK11 against randoms on Xbox*. Same goes for quite a few other games. It's optional and a very good feature.


*Actually, not really. I stopped my PS+ subscription a while back. Don't care enough about multiplayer LOL.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
Where are you getting this 14tf from?

there have been several rumors that we have dismissed as unrealistic over the years.

April 2018 - Project Epsilon slides. first time we heard 14 tflops, ssd.
Leak was dismissed because it had several spelling errors and no one thought ssd and 14 tflops was possible.

December 2018 - Pastebin leak. mentioned ray tracing, ssd and 14 tflops.
Leak was dismissed because it also said GTA6 was a one month ps5 exclusive and because it was pastebin.

Most recently an ex-ubisoft developer who goes by Brittney said the last ps5 devkit is 14 tflops.

remember, up until may 2019, we all thought the ps5 was going to be gcn. so 14 tflops were gcn tflops until rdna announcement. most people went to 12 tflops after that, but after the oberon 2.0 ghz leak, 14 tflops came back into the equation with the thinking being that sony was on 7nm+, rdna 2.0 and hbm allowing them to increase clocks that high.

36 cus would make the ps5 chip even smaller than the pro. narrow and fast is likely possible, but pretty much everyone who believed in 14 tflops assumed sony would go wide and slow and only increased clocks because they were able to. not because they were reacting to MS being 12 tflops.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
That does not come into fruition overnight though. I think that MS is also aware of that and has already been opening their "warchest" to delay/block a good deal of big third party games from coming out on the PS5. This will buy them time until the new IP hits come out.

When all those "unprecedented partnerships" get announced, I just want to see if the same people who were spamming this forum with "anti-consumer Sony exclusives" threads will actually say the same about Microsoft.

You already know the answer to that.
 
FTFY.
Sony actually has always had the best track record out of the Big Three on console-PC cross-play.
But that's because they never saw a threat to their income there.
Naturally, letting go of console multiplayer division was a difficult business decision for them. But fuck that.

Cross-console play was a good thing to complain about, of course. Once Sony gave in, it pretty much became near standard.
I can now go to my PS4 and seamlessly play MK11 against randoms on Xbox*. Same goes for quite a few other games. It's optional and a very good feature.


*Actually, not really. I stopped my PS+ subscription a while back. Don't care enough about multiplayer LOL.

Still want others to follow suit. Overwatch really needs it.
 
Oh thank you, now I understand it, they really are, guys like Colteastwood, Dee Batch, Dealer Gaming are astroturfers for real.

Also this is the meaning NeoGAF.


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The term astroturfing was really popular in the 1980s when I was growing up. It had the equivalent of carpet burn, or rug burn due to it being like carpet in Football stadiums instead of real grass.
But, the term was very derogatory lol, in the sense of, one to suck another off, or dick licker, or one to sustain carpet burns on their knees while performing a task. It wasn't something that you would want to be labeled by at all. Ha, classic, unclassy shit right there 😂😂😂
 
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geordiemp

Member
Some day this week anyhow possibly tomorrow.

Sorry couldnt help but adding my 2 cents this forum is too addicting to stay away from.

So if Lockert is announced, maybe just maybe if 7nm RDNA 2 is more expensive than people think (read somewhere in my arse 2 x or something yada yada)....

Then maybe Lockert is $400 and XsX is $700, where would you position Ps5....JUst playing devils advocate and IF costs are much higher than armchair BOM analysis.

There is no reason for MS to announce lockart without a price, as that is its whole purpose.
 
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HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
So if Lockert is announced, maybe just maybe if 7nm RDNA 2 is more expensive than people think (read somehwere in my arse 2 x or someonthing somehwere)....

Then maybe Lockert is %400 and XsX is $700, where would you position Ps5....JUst playing devils advocate and costs are much higher than armchair BOM analysis.

There is no reason for MS to announce lockart without a price, as that is its whole purpose.

I think the prices you quoted are high.
 

Sosokrates

Report me if I continue to console war
Not trolling, genuine question here..... What if the PS5 RDNA isn't plainly RDNA 1, 2, 3 but a custom RDNA, where Sony cherry picked elements for the needs of the Console? 🤔

So it could be called RDNA X or RDNA PS5

It could likely be the case for both , where Sony and ms pick and choose the features they want, however I think they will end up very similar feature wise.
 

DaGwaphics

Member
So if Lockert is announced, maybe just maybe if 7nm RDNA 2 is more expensive than people think (read somewhere in my arse 2 x or something yada yada)....

Then maybe Lockert is $400 and XsX is $700, where would you position Ps5....JUst playing devils advocate and IF costs are much higher than armchair BOM analysis.

There is no reason for MS to announce lockart without a price, as that is its whole purpose.

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THE:MILKMAN

Member
How will this Lockhart news be presented? Will it be by another Xbox Wire blog post, a pre-recorded video or part of another bigger live stream?
 
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