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01011001

Banned
Here you are playing victim again. Oh showing off that you have a bigger dick with your collection that you probably got for free or didn't even pay for with your money? Nobody gives a shit. Your site is biased and it clearly shows. Your name is tied with Digital Foundry, deal with it. If you had any ounce of ethic you would've spoke up but no you can't stand up to your bosses who puts food on your table. For a guy that dissects games, you can't even tell me that AMD's presentation clearly meant RDNA 2 for both consoles? Are you fucking kidding me. Stop being disingenuous. Go play victim on ree where they worship you guys.

your little fanboy boner is showing.
jesus how pathetic
 
Just wondering why you didn't derive at this strong indication before the AMD conference?
Maybe you made a post before you can link me to?

Because none of us actually knew what RDNA2 was exactly? Don't tell me you weren't among the people who were absolutely sure RDNA2 was exclusive to 7nm EUV, because that's what 99% of people in this thread were thinking for the longest time. The common thread of thought was that the systems would most likely be 7nm, and AMD's little graphic placing '7nm' above RDNA2 at the conference just caused some of us to assert that position even if the naming change wasn't for what most logically assumed upon seeing it.

In fact prior to AMD's conference I thought BOTH systems would be RDNA1 with large amount of RDNA2 features customized to their APUs, because there were a few other posters claiming RDNA2 as a feature set standard that was node-agnostic. Which is still partly true; both APUs aren't going to be exactly like the PC RDNA2 GPU cards AMD will launch later this year.

It's only been after that conference where we got clarification directly that RDNA2's 7nm node reference in the slides was down to nomenclature, not that it is actually a 7nm process. And that's when I accepted that both systems must be on EUV for the GPUs.

And from there I've been able to look at Oberon in hindsight and deduce that it is pretty much an RNDA2 chip since it and Ariel are the two PS5 GPUs we've found data on (from AMD's own databases btw, regardless of what platform or services AMD seems to be using to store (likely copies) of the results) and E0 has a log date of December 2019, which matches up pretty well with the rumors of the then-latest PS5 devkit around some time in January.

So unless there's yet another Oberon revision with a log date of January this year that got out just in time with that recent dev kit, then by and large it means Oberon has been an RDNA2 chip since at least E0, but probably even longer than that honestly. Not hard to assume, either, if Microsoft has supposedly been further behind in dev kits overall yet had a semi-final APU shot of an obviously large APU (larger than one having a 40CU GPU at any case) right in time for CES.

Honestly I never even paid attention to the Navi10 listing in Rogame's tweets, either, but even that can be rationalized as either referring to an earlier Oberon revision, or not referencing Oberon at all, rather results for Ariel iGPU profile regression using an Ariel testlist. I was never pushing Oberon (or by relation, PS5) as an RDNA1 chip without ALSO speculating XSX was an RDNA1 chip (in fact I was speculating that even after MS's XSX info reveal that Monday a week or so back!), and this was all because of non-clarity by AMD on what RDNA2 actually entailed besides a few known features like RT, VRR and VRS.

For the longest time my thought was both systems would be on 7nm and thus RDNA1 but customizing many RDNA2 features to their APU silicon, which wasn't and probably still isn't a crazy thought to have; both Sony and MS have heavily customized their console chips in the past going even as far back as their respective first consoles.

I don't have enough time to search my older comments so you'll just have to take me at my word on this Just know there's never been any nefarious agenda with me when it's come to referencing any of the Github data or testing data from sources like Rogame, Komachi etc. when discussing PS5. I just reference that info because it's hard data, has a consistent pattern, related data (such as existence of other GPUs and chips in AMD's product line) being more or less verified of its accuracy and existence in other cards and products surfacing using chips reflecting that data and benchmarks precisely, and has a time scale that can be followed. All of which is very important to me in discussing next-gen even if some of that data ends up outdated.

It's not my only reference point in terms of sources when talking about next-gen but it's arguably the most pertinent IMHO, and there's several ways it actually lines up with several insider claims as well including Jason, Matt, Klee, Osiris, Heisenberg you name it. At least the ones that have a bit more context to them, anyhow, regarding the next-gen platforms.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
Here you are playing victim again. Oh showing off that you have a bigger dick with your collection that you probably got for free or didn't even pay for with your money? Nobody gives a shit. Your site is biased and it clearly shows. Your name is tied with Digital Foundry, deal with it. If you had any ounce of ethic you would've spoke up but no you can't stand up to your bosses who puts food on your table. For a guy that dissects games, you can't even tell me that AMD's presentation clearly meant RDNA 2 for both consoles? Are you fucking kidding me. Stop being disingenuous. Go play victim on ree where they worship you guys.
this is going too far. Dark doesn't deserve this.
 

Gavin Stevens

Formerly 'o'dium'
That’s a pretty shitty thing to say but you’re probably right. This feels like such a tiny thing compared to everything else going on, though, so fuck it. I will do as you say and leave.

Oh, and not that it matters, but of course PS5 is RDNA2. I never said otherwise. I just hadn’t seen that presentation until today because I was not in town. I expect amazing things from PS5.

If mods are reading, maybe reach out. I’d like to say just delete my account or maybe a temporary ban would be better. This is my final post here. Appreciate the folks that have been kind. If you want to stay in touch, reach out elsewhere.

No. No no no. No.

Don’t let the terrorists win mate. You're better than that, and shitty people with shitty viewpoints who just want to cause, well, shit, are NOT worth your time.
 
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Mod of War

Ω
Staff Member
Here you are playing victim again. Oh showing off that you have a bigger dick with your collection that you probably got for free or didn't even pay for with your money? Nobody gives a shit. Your site is biased and it clearly shows. Your name is tied with Digital Foundry, deal with it. If you had any ounce of ethic you would've spoke up but no you can't stand up to your bosses who puts food on your table. For a guy that dissects games, you can't even tell me that AMD's presentation clearly meant RDNA 2 for both consoles? Are you fucking kidding me. Stop being disingenuous. Go play victim on ree where they worship you guys.

This post is embarrassing and not how we should be conducting ourselves in here.

It has taken a lot of patience for me moderating this thread and not going 0-100. This is not your personal soapbox, nor should insults be flung with such aggression over vidya.

Constructive criticism is always warranted, but leave the vitriol out of it.

Take some time off and self reflect. A little introspective can go a long ways in life.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
That’s a pretty shitty thing to say but you’re probably right. This feels like such a tiny thing compared to everything else going on, though, so fuck it. I will do as you say and leave.

Oh, and not that it matters, but of course PS5 is RDNA2. I never said otherwise. I just hadn’t seen that presentation until today because I was not in town. I expect amazing things from PS5.

If mods are reading, maybe reach out. I’d like to say just delete my account or maybe a temporary ban would be better. This is my final post here. Appreciate the folks that have been kind. If you want to stay in touch, reach out elsewhere.

don't let one or two people get to you. Most of us do appreciate your input and like both your work and your posts here.

Don't leave. Stick around and you will see its not all bad. Some guys get carried away. Put them on ignore and move on.
 

HawarMiran

Banned
Because none of us actually knew what RDNA2 was exactly? Don't tell me you weren't among the people who were absolutely sure RDNA2 was exclusive to 7nm EUV, because that's what 99% of people in this thread were thinking for the longest time. The common thread of thought was that the systems would most likely be 7nm, and AMD's little graphic placing '7nm' above RDNA2 at the conference just caused some of us to assert that position even if the naming change wasn't for what most logically assumed upon seeing it.

In fact prior to AMD's conference I thought BOTH systems would be RDNA1 with large amount of RDNA2 features customized to their APUs, because there were a few other posters claiming RDNA2 as a feature set standard that was node-agnostic. Which is still partly true; both APUs aren't going to be exactly like the PC RDNA2 GPU cards AMD will launch later this year.

It's only been after that conference where we got clarification directly that RDNA2's 7nm node reference in the slides was down to nomenclature, not that it is actually a 7nm process. And that's when I accepted that both systems must be on EUV for the GPUs.

And from there I've been able to look at Oberon in hindsight and deduce that it is pretty much an RNDA2 chip since it and Ariel are the two PS5 GPUs we've found data on (from AMD's own databases btw, regardless of what platform or services AMD seems to be using to store (likely copies) of the results) and E0 has a log date of December 2019, which matches up pretty well with the rumors of the then-latest PS5 devkit around some time in January.

So unless there's yet another Oberon revision with a log date of January this year that got out just in time with that recent dev kit, then by and large it means Oberon has been an RDNA2 chip since at least E0, but probably even longer than that honestly. Not hard to assume, either, if Microsoft has supposedly been further behind in dev kits overall yet had a semi-final APU shot of an obviously large APU (larger than one having a 40CU GPU at any case) right in time for CES.

Honestly I never even paid attention to the Navi10 listing in Rogame's tweets, either, but even that can be rationalized as either referring to an earlier Oberon revision, or not referencing Oberon at all, rather results for Ariel iGPU profile regression using an Ariel testlist. I was never pushing Oberon (or by relation, PS5) as an RDNA1 chip without ALSO speculating XSX was an RDNA1 chip (in fact I was speculating that even after MS's XSX info reveal that Monday a week or so back!), and this was all because of non-clarity by AMD on what RDNA2 actually entailed besides a few known features like RT, VRR and VRS.

For the longest time my thought was both systems would be on 7nm and thus RDNA1 but customizing many RDNA2 features to their APU silicon, which wasn't and probably still isn't a crazy thought to have; both Sony and MS have heavily customized their console chips in the past going even as far back as their respective first consoles.

I don't have enough time to search my older comments so you'll just have to take me at my word on this Just know there's never been any nefarious agenda with me when it's come to referencing any of the Github data or testing data from sources like Rogame, Komachi etc. when discussing PS5. I just reference that info because it's hard data, has a consistent pattern, related data (such as existence of other GPUs and chips in AMD's product line) being more or less verified of its accuracy and existence in other cards and products surfacing using chips reflecting that data and benchmarks precisely, and has a time scale that can be followed. All of which is very important to me in discussing next-gen even if some of that data ends up outdated.

It's not my only reference point in terms of sources when talking about next-gen but it's arguably the most pertinent IMHO, and there's several ways it actually lines up with several insider claims as well including Jason, Matt, Klee, Osiris, Heisenberg you name it. At least the ones that have a bit more context to them, anyhow, regarding the next-gen platforms.
I never read any of your comments from start to end. They are TLDR material. When I start to read my mind drifts away
 
That’s a pretty shitty thing to say but you’re probably right. This feels like such a tiny thing compared to everything else going on, though, so fuck it. I will do as you say and leave.

Oh, and not that it matters, but of course PS5 is RDNA2. I never said otherwise. I just hadn’t seen that presentation until today because I was not in town. I expect amazing things from PS5.

If mods are reading, maybe reach out. I’d like to say just delete my account or maybe a temporary ban would be better. This is my final post here. Appreciate the folks that have been kind. If you want to stay in touch, reach out elsewhere.


come on man, why are you guys so sensitive. the world is full of haters, just ignore them, you are loved way more then being hated. keep posting here, we need posters like you.
 
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devilNprada

Member
Because none of us actually knew what RDNA2 was exactly? Don't tell me you weren't among the people who were absolutely sure RDNA2 was exclusive to 7nm EUV, because that's what 99% of people in this thread were thinking for the longest time. The common thread of thought was that the systems would most likely be 7nm, and AMD's little graphic placing '7nm' above RDNA2 at the conference just caused some of us to assert that position even if the naming change wasn't for what most logically assumed upon seeing it.

In fact prior to AMD's conference I thought BOTH systems would be RDNA1 with large amount of RDNA2 features customized to their APUs, because there were a few other posters claiming RDNA2 as a feature set standard that was node-agnostic. Which is still partly true; both APUs aren't going to be exactly like the PC RDNA2 GPU cards AMD will launch later this year.

It's only been after that conference where we got clarification directly that RDNA2's 7nm node reference in the slides was down to nomenclature, not that it is actually a 7nm process. And that's when I accepted that both systems must be on EUV for the GPUs.

And from there I've been able to look at Oberon in hindsight and deduce that it is pretty much an RNDA2 chip since it and Ariel are the two PS5 GPUs we've found data on (from AMD's own databases btw, regardless of what platform or services AMD seems to be using to store (likely copies) of the results) and E0 has a log date of December 2019, which matches up pretty well with the rumors of the then-latest PS5 devkit around some time in January.

So unless there's yet another Oberon revision with a log date of January this year that got out just in time with that recent dev kit, then by and large it means Oberon has been an RDNA2 chip since at least E0, but probably even longer than that honestly. Not hard to assume, either, if Microsoft has supposedly been further behind in dev kits overall yet had a semi-final APU shot of an obviously large APU (larger than one having a 40CU GPU at any case) right in time for CES.

Honestly I never even paid attention to the Navi10 listing in Rogame's tweets, either, but even that can be rationalized as either referring to an earlier Oberon revision, or not referencing Oberon at all, rather results for Ariel iGPU profile regression using an Ariel testlist. I was never pushing Oberon (or by relation, PS5) as an RDNA1 chip without ALSO speculating XSX was an RDNA1 chip (in fact I was speculating that even after MS's XSX info reveal that Monday a week or so back!), and this was all because of non-clarity by AMD on what RDNA2 actually entailed besides a few known features like RT, VRR and VRS.

For the longest time my thought was both systems would be on 7nm and thus RDNA1 but customizing many RDNA2 features to their APU silicon, which wasn't and probably still isn't a crazy thought to have; both Sony and MS have heavily customized their console chips in the past going even as far back as their respective first consoles.

I don't have enough time to search my older comments so you'll just have to take me at my word on this Just know there's never been any nefarious agenda with me when it's come to referencing any of the Github data or testing data from sources like Rogame, Komachi etc. when discussing PS5. I just reference that info because it's hard data, has a consistent pattern, related data (such as existence of other GPUs and chips in AMD's product line) being more or less verified of its accuracy and existence in other cards and products surfacing using chips reflecting that data and benchmarks precisely, and has a time scale that can be followed. All of which is very important to me in discussing next-gen even if some of that data ends up outdated.

It's not my only reference point in terms of sources when talking about next-gen but it's arguably the most pertinent IMHO, and there's several ways it actually lines up with several insider claims as well including Jason, Matt, Klee, Osiris, Heisenberg you name it. At least the ones that have a bit more context to them, anyhow, regarding the next-gen platforms.

You lost me at "because none of us" sorry
 

Fun Fanboy

Banned
I don't believe some of the stuff I read here with my own eyes. I guess that's the addictive appeal. :messenger_pensive:
Hell... I like to have fun and all too, but that was just a straight up meltdown.

That’s a pretty shitty thing to say but you’re probably right. This feels like such a tiny thing compared to everything else going on, though, so fuck it. I will do as you say and leave.

Oh, and not that it matters, but of course PS5 is RDNA2. I never said otherwise. I just hadn’t seen that presentation until today because I was not in town. I expect amazing things from PS5.

If mods are reading, maybe reach out. I’d like to say just delete my account or maybe a temporary ban would be better. This is my final post here. Appreciate the folks that have been kind. If you want to stay in touch, reach out elsewhere.
See you in the Twitterverse!
 
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dEvAnGeL

Member
come on man, why are you guys so sensitive. the world is full of haters, just ignore them, you are loved way more then being hated. keep posting here, we need posters like you.
If I'm not mistaken he gets down easy, takes criticism to heart and is been something he's been fighting for some time. Users like the guy who wrote those mean words don't help.
 
That’s a pretty shitty thing to say but you’re probably right. This feels like such a tiny thing compared to everything else going on, though, so fuck it. I will do as you say and leave.

Oh, and not that it matters, but of course PS5 is RDNA2. I never said otherwise. I just hadn’t seen that presentation until today because I was not in town. I expect amazing things from PS5.

If mods are reading, maybe reach out. I’d like to say just delete my account or maybe a temporary ban would be better. This is my final post here. Appreciate the folks that have been kind. If you want to stay in touch, reach out elsewhere.

I'm really sorry that you had to read that shit.

For what's worth, I really like your job (I appreciated your honest take on Stadia, for instance, it is hard to find honest journalists on tech and gaming) and DF Retro is what made me become a Patreon.

It also made me learn so much about gaming tech and history that I feel obliged to thank you and to urge you to keep it up!
 
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You lost me at "because none of us" sorry

Fine, most of us, then. Myself and a lot of other posters weren't 100% clear on what RDNA2 was and if it was exclusive to 7nm EUV or a standard that could be applied to 7nm chips. And if so, which route the consoles would take.

But that wasn't the main part of that post and hopefully you can see where I come from in considering Oberon an RDNA2 chip and at what time I solidified that opinion.

Hell... I like to have fun and all too, but that was just a straight up meltdown.


See you in the Twitterverse!

Wow I just realized that is his last post! WTF.... well shouts-out to D dark10x ; I've always appreciated your content on DF especially the retro stuff (the 32X vids are among some of my favorites in general, retro gaming or not).

I hope the posters who were mudslinging DF realize what jackasses they were being, and now thanks to their jackassedness we just lost a valuable member of the threads and discussion. Like I said before, if you wanna accuse people of being shills or having an agenda, you better staple some proof with that.

And even if you think you have a valid case, there's a respectful and disrespectful way to go about presenting it. I don't need to name the posters who caused this mess, but it's pretty clear they chose the latter. Hopefully they learn from this embarrassing shitshow.
 
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SSfox

Member
I've just watched this , and based this guy a PC build with specs close to XSX would cost around 1100$, not even counting extra stuffs that came with console like Pad and cie. Make you wonder much that console will cost, and PS5 too, considering should be close in terms of specs based some rumors.
 
Because none of us actually knew what RDNA2 was exactly? Don't tell me you weren't among the people who were absolutely sure RDNA2 was exclusive to 7nm EUV, because that's what 99% of people in this thread were thinking for the longest time. The common thread of thought was that the systems would most likely be 7nm, and AMD's little graphic placing '7nm' above RDNA2 at the conference just caused some of us to assert that position even if the naming change wasn't for what most logically assumed upon seeing it.

In fact prior to AMD's conference I thought BOTH systems would be RDNA1 with large amount of RDNA2 features customized to their APUs, because there were a few other posters claiming RDNA2 as a feature set standard that was node-agnostic. Which is still partly true; both APUs aren't going to be exactly like the PC RDNA2 GPU cards AMD will launch later this year.

It's only been after that conference where we got clarification directly that RDNA2's 7nm node reference in the slides was down to nomenclature, not that it is actually a 7nm process. And that's when I accepted that both systems must be on EUV for the GPUs.

And from there I've been able to look at Oberon in hindsight and deduce that it is pretty much an RNDA2 chip since it and Ariel are the two PS5 GPUs we've found data on (from AMD's own databases btw, regardless of what platform or services AMD seems to be using to store (likely copies) of the results) and E0 has a log date of December 2019, which matches up pretty well with the rumors of the then-latest PS5 devkit around some time in January.

So unless there's yet another Oberon revision with a log date of January this year that got out just in time with that recent dev kit, then by and large it means Oberon has been an RDNA2 chip since at least E0, but probably even longer than that honestly. Not hard to assume, either, if Microsoft has supposedly been further behind in dev kits overall yet had a semi-final APU shot of an obviously large APU (larger than one having a 40CU GPU at any case) right in time for CES.

Honestly I never even paid attention to the Navi10 listing in Rogame's tweets, either, but even that can be rationalized as either referring to an earlier Oberon revision, or not referencing Oberon at all, rather results for Ariel iGPU profile regression using an Ariel testlist. I was never pushing Oberon (or by relation, PS5) as an RDNA1 chip without ALSO speculating XSX was an RDNA1 chip (in fact I was speculating that even after MS's XSX info reveal that Monday a week or so back!), and this was all because of non-clarity by AMD on what RDNA2 actually entailed besides a few known features like RT, VRR and VRS.

For the longest time my thought was both systems would be on 7nm and thus RDNA1 but customizing many RDNA2 features to their APU silicon, which wasn't and probably still isn't a crazy thought to have; both Sony and MS have heavily customized their console chips in the past going even as far back as their respective first consoles.

I don't have enough time to search my older comments so you'll just have to take me at my word on this Just know there's never been any nefarious agenda with me when it's come to referencing any of the Github data or testing data from sources like Rogame, Komachi etc. when discussing PS5. I just reference that info because it's hard data, has a consistent pattern, related data (such as existence of other GPUs and chips in AMD's product line) being more or less verified of its accuracy and existence in other cards and products surfacing using chips reflecting that data and benchmarks precisely, and has a time scale that can be followed. All of which is very important to me in discussing next-gen even if some of that data ends up outdated.

It's not my only reference point in terms of sources when talking about next-gen but it's arguably the most pertinent IMHO, and there's several ways it actually lines up with several insider claims as well including Jason, Matt, Klee, Osiris, Heisenberg you name it. At least the ones that have a bit more context to them, anyhow, regarding the next-gen platforms.


IMO the more info that comes out the less Github lines up with insiders .
Not saying the data is fake or wrong just that it look old and not really a factor any more.
 

Neo Blaster

Member
I've come to the opinion that it's impossible to avoid it. I've worked super hard to NOT make console war style videos over the past couple years. That has been my main objective. Even then, they were used in that way. That's why I'm mostly split between Retro (my preferred content) and stuff like those feature videos (ie - Death Stranding, Gears 5, Days Gone etc). I just like to showcase what makes games beautiful while helping people learn. Comparisons can be interesting when the differences are massive, though, but they rarely are these days. That's why I still enjoy doing Switch videos as the sacrifices tend to be huge.

Now that we have a new gen? This is going to suck so much. It's really not much fun anymore. I used to love these hype cycles but things have become too personal and nasty as of late. It's never enough to disagree - they have to tear others down.

Oh how I wish I could just cover retro stuff full-time - that's where my actual interests are these days. I'm fairly positive, at least, that I own more games on various PlayStation platforms than like 95% of the folks in this thread anyways (~1027 physical games + 315 digital for PS platforms).

Either way, with things escalating, I'll probably have to take a long hiatus from the various forums as it really gets to me even when it shouldn't. It's not healthy.

Also - just in case people missed this I *DO NOT* make videos based on rumors and the like. That's not what I do personally. So if you dislike that type of content, that's fine, but leave me out of it. A lot of people DO enjoy it, though.
Man, I'm really sorry if you feel that way, toxicity has reached an incredible level this gen. Good old times of Atari/Odissey, Sega/Nintendo quarrels, much less rabid fans. I tend to blame Internet, it gave idiots a voice.
 
Okay, not a tech expert, but from what I know, I could see Sony going with 36 CU’s, but only if they were aiming for a much cheaper system. If they were trying to reach XSX numbers, then I’d guess they would need at least 54 compute units?
 

Darklor01

Might need to stop sniffing glue
That’s a pretty shitty thing to say but you’re probably right. This feels like such a tiny thing compared to everything else going on, though, so fuck it. I will do as you say and leave.

Oh, and not that it matters, but of course PS5 is RDNA2. I never said otherwise. I just hadn’t seen that presentation until today because I was not in town. I expect amazing things from PS5.

If mods are reading, maybe reach out. I’d like to say just delete my account or maybe a temporary ban would be better. This is my final post here. Appreciate the folks that have been kind. If you want to stay in touch, reach out elsewhere.

proof that we need to be kinder to each other. As someone way more intelligent than I once said, “Speak to people in a way that if they died the next day, you’d be satisfied with the last thing you said to them”.
 

Fake

Member
I've come to the opinion that it's impossible to avoid it. I've worked super hard to NOT make console war style videos over the past couple years. That has been my main objective. Even then, they were used in that way. That's why I'm mostly split between Retro (my preferred content) and stuff like those feature videos (ie - Death Stranding, Gears 5, Days Gone etc). I just like to showcase what makes games beautiful while helping people learn. Comparisons can be interesting when the differences are massive, though, but they rarely are these days. That's why I still enjoy doing Switch videos as the sacrifices tend to be huge.

Now that we have a new gen? This is going to suck so much. It's really not much fun anymore. I used to love these hype cycles but things have become too personal and nasty as of late. It's never enough to disagree - they have to tear others down.

Oh how I wish I could just cover retro stuff full-time - that's where my actual interests are these days. I'm fairly positive, at least, that I own more games on various PlayStation platforms than like 95% of the folks in this thread anyways (~1027 physical games + 315 digital for PS platforms).

Either way, with things escalating, I'll probably have to take a long hiatus from the various forums as it really gets to me even when it shouldn't. It's not healthy.

Also - just in case people missed this I *DO NOT* make videos based on rumors and the like. That's not what I do personally. So if you dislike that type of content, that's fine, but leave me out of it. A lot of people DO enjoy it, though.

Agree. Your focus are in RETRO and I approve that.

You are the only one who talk with us and some here must think you're the guy behind DF/Eurogamer. Console wars always happen in that period of time, so is fine for me if you want leave. Just want to say I glad you still here answer people. Nobody from digital foundry take their time to do that and I respect you for this.

Take your time. Expecting more RETRO content btw.
 
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Man, I'm really sorry if you feel that way, toxicity has reached an incredible level this gen. Good old times of Atari/Odissey, Sega/Nintendo quarrels, much less rabid fans. I tend to blame Internet, it gave idiots a voice.

Man, here in alternate timeline Brazil, where Sega was HUGE, I remember when a kid hit another in the eye with a yoyo because he said the SNES was great and the Genesis (Mega Drive here) had bad sound hardware that sounded like crap.
 
IMO the more info that comes out the less Github lines up with insiders .
Not saying the data is fake or wrong just that it look old and not really a factor any more.

It only looks "old" though because people looking at it aren't doing so the right way. The data results in that first revision are in reference to Ariel, for its testlist ran on Oberon in regression via an iGPU profile. The only thing the latest info from AMD dispels is the Navi 10 reference in that testing data regarding Ariel (on Oberon), but even that comes with some caveats.

Like for example, RDNA2 doesn't disregard the idea Oberon might be a 40CU chip; however it gives further substance to the idea Oberon might have more than 40CUs in total. Both scenarios are still perfectly valid. RDNA2 being primarily talked about in reference to 40CU + chips doesn't dispel the idea that it can be on chips with 40 or less CU's either. In fact considering AMD has mobile APUs coming this year and next that will have much less CUs, I would think they would implement RDNA2 for smaller GPUs as well, if they really want their RDNA2 features to become ubiquitous in the consumer electronics market).

In fact, and I hate to bring this up, but the RDNA2 news doesn't even dispel the idea that Oberon (or the XSX, for that matter) could still be RDNA1 in the sense of being a 7nm chip, but pulling many RDNA2 features like RT, VRR, VRS etc. onto a 7nm chip, rather than making it 7nm EUV. It's not an idea I particularly like to consider for either system, but it's not 100% ruled out by last week's conference, either. Because even with that type of approach, both systems would still practically be RDNA2 in all key areas, they'd just be on 7nm instead of 7nm EUV for the GPU.

But like I said, I don't honestly consider that possible scenario as being very probable.
 

Sethbacca

Member
I've just watched this , and based this guy a PC build with specs close to XSX would cost around 1100$, not even counting extra stuffs that came with console like Pad and cie. Make you wonder much that console will cost, and PS5 too, considering should be close in terms of specs based some rumors.


The manufacturers gouge PC builders because they can. People need to learn that the retail cost of something has absolutely no bearing on what the cost of an item is to manufacturer or sell in bulk. Like literally almost nothing at all. That argument has been brought up 1000 times in these pages and its just ridiculous to entertain it as an argument in any context.
 

Zero707

If I carry on trolling, report me.
It only looks "old" though because people looking at it aren't doing so the right way. The data results in that first revision are in reference to Ariel, for its testlist ran on Oberon in regression via an iGPU profile. The only thing the latest info from AMD dispels is the Navi 10 reference in that testing data regarding Ariel (on Oberon), but even that comes with some caveats.

Like for example, RDNA2 doesn't disregard the idea Oberon might be a 40CU chip; however it gives further substance to the idea Oberon might have more than 40CUs in total. Both scenarios are still perfectly valid. RDNA2 being primarily talked about in reference to 40CU + chips doesn't dispel the idea that it can be on chips with 40 or less CU's either. In fact considering AMD has mobile APUs coming this year and next that will have much less CUs, I would think they would implement RDNA2 for smaller GPUs as well, if they really want their RDNA2 features to become ubiquitous in the consumer electronics market).

In fact, and I hate to bring this up, but the RDNA2 news doesn't even dispel the idea that Oberon (or the XSX, for that matter) could still be RDNA1 in the sense of being a 7nm chip, but pulling many RDNA2 features like RT, VRR, VRS etc. onto a 7nm chip, rather than making it 7nm EUV. It's not an idea I particularly like to consider for either system, but it's not 100% ruled out by last week's conference, either. Because even with that type of approach, both systems would still practically be RDNA2 in all key areas, they'd just be on 7nm instead of 7nm EUV for the GPU.

But like I said, I don't honestly consider that possible scenario as being very probable.
Everytime i try to read your posts i got distracted by your profile picture................

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It only looks "old" though because people looking at it aren't doing so the right way. The data results in that first revision are in reference to Ariel, for its testlist ran on Oberon in regression via an iGPU profile. The only thing the latest info from AMD dispels is the Navi 10 reference in that testing data regarding Ariel (on Oberon), but even that comes with some caveats.

Like for example, RDNA2 doesn't disregard the idea Oberon might be a 40CU chip; however it gives further substance to the idea Oberon might have more than 40CUs in total. Both scenarios are still perfectly valid. RDNA2 being primarily talked about in reference to 40CU + chips doesn't dispel the idea that it can be on chips with 40 or less CU's either. In fact considering AMD has mobile APUs coming this year and next that will have much less CUs, I would think they would implement RDNA2 for smaller GPUs as well, if they really want their RDNA2 features to become ubiquitous in the consumer electronics market).

In fact, and I hate to bring this up, but the RDNA2 news doesn't even dispel the idea that Oberon (or the XSX, for that matter) could still be RDNA1 in the sense of being a 7nm chip, but pulling many RDNA2 features like RT, VRR, VRS etc. onto a 7nm chip, rather than making it 7nm EUV. It's not an idea I particularly like to consider for either system, but it's not 100% ruled out by last week's conference, either. Because even with that type of approach, both systems would still practically be RDNA2 in all key areas, they'd just be on 7nm instead of 7nm EUV for the GPU.

But like I said, I don't honestly consider that possible scenario as being very probable.

When i say old i am purely talking about TF number and lining up with insiders .
For eg Klee said months ago that both systems were over 10 TF and that github don't match what he knows.
Jason said both were aiming over staida which was 10.7 and talking numbers not that GNC to RDNA nonsense which MS did since they 12.
So to me it don't matter if it RDNA 1 or 2 because the TF number is old compare to while ago if we go by insiders or some of the CU were shut off and we don't have the full picture .
 
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devilNprada

Member
this guy a PC build with specs close to XSX would cost around 1100$, not even counting extra stuffs that came with console like Pad and cie. Make you wonder much that console will cost, and PS5 too, considering should be close in terms of specs based some rumors

If you can build it yourself for $1,100, MS and Sony will build it for you for $900.
 

Neo Blaster

Member
Man, here in alternate timeline Brazil, where Sega was HUGE, I remember when a kid hit another in the eye with a yoyo because he said the SNES was great and the Genesis (Mega Drive here) had bad sound hardware that sounded like crap.
It's inevitable, people will always have their preferences and bias, no matter what subject you're talking about, be it sports, politics, games etc. I play videogames since pong in my brother's 'Telejogo' and in every gen I had a bias. I've already rooted for Odissey(I'm probably the only person in this world who didn't asked their parents for an Atari), Sega, Nintendo, MS and Sony. I blame Internet for the scalating toxicity, all this instant access to information and easyness to voice your opinion.
 
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Lng0004

Member
come on man, why are you guys so sensitive. the world is full of haters, just ignore them, you are loved way more then being hated. keep posting here, we need posters like you.
I know you probably mean well, but "why are you guys so sensitive" is the kind of toxic masculinity that should be avoided. It's perfectly fine to be sensitive. It's also perfectly fine to respond to haters the way he did. He'll come back if he wants to. What he needs > what we need.
 
When i say old i am purely talking about TF number and lining up with insiders .
For eg Klee said months ago that both systems were over 10 TF and that github don't match what he knows.
Jason said both were aiming over staida which was 10.7 and talking numbers not that GNC to RDNA nonsense which MS did since they 12.
So to me it don't matter if it RDNA 1 or 2 because the TF number is old compare to while ago if we go by insiders or some of the CU were shut off and we don't have the full picture .

Again to be fair, if the Github and testing data are lacking some context, some of the insider claims lack context as well. Klee was most likely referencing target specs on a spec sheet he had access to, or earlier devkits. If earlier PS5 devkits were running, say, a RadeonVII (in fact I think there's an older devkit prior to the V-design one running something like this IIRC), then "above 10" may've just been referring to that particular devkit, which would not have even been using a Navi-based GPU card.

It's similar to Jason's "both above Stadia" comment a long time back; did he know at the time the systems were using RDNA2? If he did/does, could he provide info on if that's RDNA2 on 7nm or 7nm EUV? Did he even know or take into consideration architectural differences between GCN and RDNA when making that statement, and if so was he referring to "above Stadia" in terms of a raw number or in terms of a potentially lower number but much better efficiency going from GCN to Navi? See, again there's some missing context given what we know now.

Where's the proof Jason was talking numbers and not architectural efficiency? Because I've seen other statements from him where he said he was just actually guessing at that number, and it's a fair guess to make; you'd think MS and Sony would want to outdo Google Stadia in that performance target, in any case. As for the MS stuff, no they were actually referring to just the raw number that whole time; it was everybody else (okay, MOSTLY everybody else) speculating they meant GCN to Navi. That much has, again, been clarified now.

So the numbers Klee, Jason etc. might be referring to could be coming from tests actually being done on Oberon that aren't on Ariel's iGPU profile. Or, given what we know of RDNA2 efficiency, those numbers could be getting reached through high GPU clocks on a relatively small chip, maybe turning on all the CUs, or the chip is larger than that initial Oberon revision dated back to June provided.

Overall I really do think the recent info and even a lot of the recent rumors from insiders give more credence to Oberon, not less. Of course there are some outlandish pessimistic takes some push (like sub 9.2TF) that can safely be discarded, and some overly optimistic takes that can likely be disregarded if people want a PS5 that is reasonably affordable and not skimping in another area (like the 13+ TF/14TF rumors).

Everytime i try to read your posts i got distracted by your profile picture................

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Alllllll according to plan mwahahahahahahahah!!!
 
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Shpeshal Nick

aka Collingwood
Here you are playing victim again. Oh showing off that you have a bigger dick with your collection that you probably got for free or didn't even pay for with your money? Nobody gives a shit. Your site is biased and it clearly shows. Your name is tied with Digital Foundry, deal with it. If you had any ounce of ethic you would've spoke up but no you can't stand up to your bosses who puts food on your table. For a guy that dissects games, you can't even tell me that AMD's presentation clearly meant RDNA 2 for both consoles? Are you fucking kidding me. Stop being disingenuous. Go play victim on ree where they worship you guys.

good lord
 
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Ellery

Member
Impossible to compare building a PC right now versus buying a next gen console for many reasons :

1) We don't know the exact final specifications and price of the next gen consoles
2) The consoles are not out for atleast another 8 months (or more) and thus making any comparison invalid
3) Sony and Microsoft are buying in bulk and this brings prices per unit down for them tremendously
4) You can't upgrade consoles. For a PC it is possible to change out components. Maybe you can change the Storage on a console
5) A PC can do a lot more things than a console ever could. Looking at a PC as a pure gaming machine doesn't really work
6) You have much more control over things and can go higher or lower. And tailor things to your needs.

If you really want to compare it then atleast you could wait so you have clarity about points 1) and 2) I made. Prices right now are pretty high. Nvidia is the only RTX offer on the market. It might be that the 12TF RDNA2 AMD equivalent to Xbox Series X GPU is around 300$ or so from AMD late 2020. Who knows.

Starting to have arguments about this now seems way premature especially when so many things are still unknown.
What I can tell you though is that I have been a PC + console gamer for basically my entire life and always built PC myself with looking at hitting the absolute best price/performance I could get for xxx given budget and I am genuinely excited about next gen consoles looking to be very powerful.
The next Xbox and the PS5 are much better than the Xbox One and PS4 were in 2013 (comparatively) to PC hardware. Every gamer should be excited about Holidays 2020.
 

LED Guy?

Banned
Again to be fair, if the Github and testing data are lacking some context, some of the insider claims lack context as well. Klee was most likely referencing target specs on a spec sheet he had access to, or earlier devkits. If earlier PS5 devkits were running, say, a RadeonVII (in fact I think there's an older devkit prior to the V-design one running something like this IIRC), then "above 10" may've just been referring to that particular devkit, which would not have even been using a Navi-based GPU card.

It's similar to Jason's "both above Stadia" comment a long time back; did he know at the time the systems were using RDNA2? If he did/does, could he provide info on if that's RDNA2 on 7nm or 7nm EUV? Did he even know or take into consideration architectural differences between GCN and RDNA when making that statement, and if so was he referring to "above Stadia" in terms of a raw number or in terms of a potentially lower number but much better efficiency going from GCN to Navi? See, again there's some missing context given what we know now.

Where's the proof Jason was talking numbers and not architectural efficiency? Because I've seen other statements from him where he said he was just actually guessing at that number, and it's a fair guess to make; you'd think MS and Sony would want to outdo Google Stadia in that performance target, in any case. As for the MS stuff, no they were actually referring to just the raw number that whole time; it was everybody else (okay, MOSTLY everybody else) speculating they meant GCN to Navi. That much has, again, been clarified now.

So the numbers Klee, Jason etc. might be referring to could be coming from tests actually being done on Oberon that aren't on Ariel's iGPU profile. Or, given what we know of RDNA2 efficiency, those numbers could be getting reached through high GPU clocks on a relatively small chip, maybe turning on all the CUs, or the chip is larger than that initial Oberon revision dated back to June provided.

Overall I really do think the recent info and even a lot of the recent rumors from insiders give more credence to Oberon, not less. Of course there are some outlandish pessimistic takes some push (like sub 9.2TF) that can safely be discarded, and some overly optimistic takes that can likely be disregarded if people want a PS5 that is reasonably affordable and not skimping in another area (like the 13+ TF/14TF rumors).



Alllllll according to plan mwahahahahahahahah!!!
But Klee said XSX is 12 TFs in RDNA when everyone was hesitating about it and everybody was hesitating about Phil Spencer's "2 times the power of Xbox One X GPU" (even DF as well), and that's according to his specs sheet, so I think this is the full context here, and he said Oberon doesn't match with what he has in terms of GPU specs of PS5, and Matt as well denied it, we even have a developer BGs here saying the PS5 is not a 9.2 TF machine and that the leak isn't true right now.

Also Klee turned out that he is right with the XSX, why can't he be right with the PS5? And finally, GitHub stated Navi 10 while PS5 is Navi 2X.

Remember this?


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makaveli60

Member
I've come to the opinion that it's impossible to avoid it. I've worked super hard to NOT make console war style videos over the past couple years. That has been my main objective. Even then, they were used in that way. That's why I'm mostly split between Retro (my preferred content) and stuff like those feature videos (ie - Death Stranding, Gears 5, Days Gone etc). I just like to showcase what makes games beautiful while helping people learn. Comparisons can be interesting when the differences are massive, though, but they rarely are these days. That's why I still enjoy doing Switch videos as the sacrifices tend to be huge.

Now that we have a new gen? This is going to suck so much. It's really not much fun anymore. I used to love these hype cycles but things have become too personal and nasty as of late. It's never enough to disagree - they have to tear others down.

Oh how I wish I could just cover retro stuff full-time - that's where my actual interests are these days. I'm fairly positive, at least, that I own more games on various PlayStation platforms than like 95% of the folks in this thread anyways (~1027 physical games + 315 digital for PS platforms).

Either way, with things escalating, I'll probably have to take a long hiatus from the various forums as it really gets to me even when it shouldn't. It's not healthy.

Also - just in case people missed this I *DO NOT* make videos based on rumors and the like. That's not what I do personally. So if you dislike that type of content, that's fine, but leave me out of it. A lot of people DO enjoy it, though.
F the haters and their bullshit, John, you shouldn't care about them. Your videos are among the best in gaming and I love to watch them even if I'm not that interested in a particular game. Keep up the good work!
 
Again to be fair, if the Github and testing data are lacking some context, some of the insider claims lack context as well. Klee was most likely referencing target specs on a spec sheet he had access to, or earlier devkits. If earlier PS5 devkits were running, say, a RadeonVII (in fact I think there's an older devkit prior to the V-design one running something like this IIRC), then "above 10" may've just been referring to that particular devkit, which would not have even been using a Navi-based GPU card.

It's similar to Jason's "both above Stadia" comment a long time back; did he know at the time the systems were using RDNA2? If he did/does, could he provide info on if that's RDNA2 on 7nm or 7nm EUV? Did he even know or take into consideration architectural differences between GCN and RDNA when making that statement, and if so was he referring to "above Stadia" in terms of a raw number or in terms of a potentially lower number but much better efficiency going from GCN to Navi? See, again there's some missing context given what we know now.

Where's the proof Jason was talking numbers and not architectural efficiency? Because I've seen other statements from him where he said he was just actually guessing at that number, and it's a fair guess to make; you'd think MS and Sony would want to outdo Google Stadia in that performance target, in any case. As for the MS stuff, no they were actually referring to just the raw number that whole time; it was everybody else (okay, MOSTLY everybody else) speculating they meant GCN to Navi. That much has, again, been clarified now.

So the numbers Klee, Jason etc. might be referring to could be coming from tests actually being done on Oberon that aren't on Ariel's iGPU profile. Or, given what we know of RDNA2 efficiency, those numbers could be getting reached through high GPU clocks on a relatively small chip, maybe turning on all the CUs, or the chip is larger than that initial Oberon revision dated back to June provided.

Overall I really do think the recent info and even a lot of the recent rumors from insiders give more credence to Oberon, not less. Of course there are some outlandish pessimistic takes some push (like sub 9.2TF) that can safely be discarded, and some overly optimistic takes that can likely be disregarded if people want a PS5 that is reasonably affordable and not skimping in another area (like the 13+ TF/14TF rumors).



Alllllll according to plan mwahahahahahahahah!!!

Klee was talking hard numbers .
He said both were RDNA had RT ,VRS 10TF plus and that was since last years E3 and people ask him about the github info.
Jason said he was talking numbers when we found out MS was 12TF from big rumour end of last year .
The reason why so many people think Github info old or wrong is because it does not match up with anything insiders say .
Let forget about other sites and just look at people here .
BG said it over 9.2 and info old , Osiris say it 12.4 , o'dium say 11.6 those numbers do not match up with 36CU @2Ghz.
 
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Oh, and not that it matters, but of course PS5 is RDNA2. I never said otherwise. I just hadn’t seen that presentation until today because I was not in town. I expect amazing things from PS5.

Thank you for confirming RDNA2 on PS5. It cost the demigod demigod ban for 1 week but at least we have confirmation from an authority voice like yours.

You know, a lot of people still do not believe it even when AMD just confirmed it.

I am sure that Digital Foundry will deal with this matter properly and we will see a PS5 RDNA2 video soon.

In any event, just in case you did not know, BGs BGs , which is a vetted industry professional, confirmed here, in this thread, that the PS5 is not 9.2tf. You could pass this info along so the persons who make the speculation videos at Digital Foundry get properly informed ;)

True leaks are always true at a certain time and circumstances.

Today, 9.2TF, is the only thing that PS5 does not have.

Now is at puberty.

👇 👇 👇

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But Klee said XSX is 12 TFs in RDNA when everyone was hesitating about it and everybody was hesitating about Phil Spencer's "2 times the power of Xbox One X GPU" (even DF as well), and that's according to his specs sheet, so I think this is the full context here, and he said Oberon doesn't match with what he has in terms of GPU specs of PS5, and Matt as well denied it, we even have a developer BGs here saying the PS5 is not a 9.2 TF machine and that the leak isn't true right now.

Also Klee turned out that he is right with the XSX, why can't he be right with the PS5? And finally, GitHub stated Navi 10 while PS5 is Navi 2X.

Remember this?


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Yes but here's also something: Klee wasn't the first source for the 12TF XSX rumor, either. It was actually some way older (January 2019) post that someone's snapped on Imgur. That post had a lot of other rumors in it both hardware and software, and it's also the source for the 8TF PS5 rumor that Penello seemingly ran with that was itself questionable especially in hindsight, but it could've been where some earlier PS5 spec was actually at up to that point (probably one of the Ariel revisions).

Among the insiders we know tho, yeah Klee was the first to mention 12TF and that has come to pass. Regarding the other stuff like with BGs, well again keep in mind what that 9.2TF was likely referencing: the Oberon chip but set to Ariel iGPU profile. Since 9.2TF was Ariel's last spec at that clock with that CU count, that's what was reflected in the testing data for that Oberon revision because it was running the Ariel testlists. So yes Klee, BGs etc. would be right in saying to "disregard it", same thing Matt said, because "it" isn't even referring to Oberon results but Ariel results!

There never even were any rumours mentioning 13TF+ so far, it was all wishful thinking IIRC.

Tommy Fisher and (IIRC) CameFromFuturePast were mentioning that figure. Also some of the Reddit and 4Chan leaks. We can obviously call them BS, but there were a ton of people believing Tommy and CFFP. There's probably some even believing some of those Reddit and 4Chan rumor leaks. And some of the more credible insiders gave a threshold of "upwards 10%" while also saying PS5 was ahead, which given XSX's rumored specs had a lot of people arriving at numbers like 13.2/13.3 etc.

That all happened. Some people are still speculating that as well. Everyone's free to do so, but some of the other rumors including some of the ranges given by a couple insiders gave ground to allowing that speculation.
 
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RasAlGhoul

Member
There’s really a super simple reason for Oberon being a PS5 dev kit at some point.

Navi 2 isn’t ready. But you want devs to have access to the architecture changes instead of being on GCN still.

What do you do....take the 40 cu limit and make a 36cu chip for yields, then clock that thing as high as possible to get close to target specs then let devs work with it. Once Navi 2 is ready for dev kits you replace those units.

Though in all honesty I just think github is a BC mode stress test. So only part of the chip active.
 
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LED Guy?

Banned
Yes but here's also something: Klee wasn't the first source for the 12TF XSX rumor, either. It was actually some way older (January 2019) post that someone's snapped on Imgur. That post had a lot of other rumors in it both hardware and software, and it's also the source for the 8TF PS5 rumor that Penello seemingly ran with that was itself questionable especially in hindsight, but it could've been where some earlier PS5 spec was actually at up to that point (probably one of the Ariel revisions).

Among the insiders we know tho, yeah Klee was the first to mention 12TF and that has come to pass. Regarding the other stuff like with BGs, well again keep in mind what that 9.2TF was likely referencing: the Oberon chip but set to Ariel iGPU profile. Since 9.2TF was Ariel's last spec at that clock with that CU count, that's what was reflected in the testing data for that Oberon revision because it was running the Ariel testlists. So yes Klee, BGs etc. would be right in saying to "disregard it", same thing Matt said, because "it" isn't even referring to Oberon results but Ariel results!



Tommy Fisher and (IIRC) CameFromFuturePast. Also some of the Reddit and 4Chan leaks. We can obviously call them BS, but there were a ton of people believing Tommy and CFFP. There's probably some even believing some of those Reddit and 4Chan rumor leaks. And some of the more credible insiders gave a threshold of "upwards 10%" while also saying PS5 was ahead, which given XSX's rumored specs had a lot of people arriving at numbers like 13.2/13.3 etc.

That all happened. Some people are still speculating that as well. Everyone's free to do so, but some of the other rumors including some of the ranges given by a couple insiders gave ground to allowing that speculation.
Yeah that's what I mean when I say that concluding Oberon as a Navi 10 with 36 CU X 2000 MHz = 9.2 TFs is just wrong

And about that January 2019 rumor, yeah that rumor no one took it seriously to be honest with you, and I mean whether that rumor is there or not, I wouldn't say Klee would risk his name and reputation because he relayed a known old rumor that (at that time) was very unreliable and unknown if it is true or not, I mean we are talking about a guy who's a vetted veteran here for more than 20 years in the gaming industry and someone who got verified twice and came off as a credible source, but anyways, about that rumor, when we started looking at it NOW, well, Lockhart at 4 TFs Navi (yes that's true), Xbox Series X at 12 TFs Navi (that’s true as well) and MAYBE the PS5 at 8 TFs Navi is true (at that time) but now it isn’t and there are A LOT of evidence for that.

all I’m saying is I wouldn’t see Klee using that rumor as his source, how does he know if it’ll be true or not, all of us didn’t give any shit about that rumor until now because some of it became true.

But this is all speculation LOL!!
 
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I don't get the excitement over full backwards compatibility. 7th gen is fair enough, but i don't think i could even force myself to finish a game further back than that.
Maybe it's rich coming from a guy with this avatar, but R&C from 2 and on are almost flawless control wise, they are ageless. Also Sly 2 and 3 and Okami are good games even now.
 
Maybe Oberon is the chip, or was at some state. However, I think it might be possible the final chip is a lot more powerful and that a lot of the CUs were turned off. Perhaps the final version is 56 CUs or so?

It's definitely possible. In terms of active CUs, for anything fitting within or up to XSX's possible pricing and given other things PS5 will focus on, it's possible it could be anything from 36CUs to 56CUs.

But it all hinges on what a full test simulation on Oberon (outside of Ariel iGPU) yields plus what price point Sony has been aiming for with PS5. For example one of the quoted BOMs is $450 which could equally indicate a $399 system as much as it indicates a $499 system. We just don't really know yet.

Sony don't snitch. Cops hate them. Click here to find out why.

LED Guy? LED Guy? I agree with that and I also think the 8TF stuff was only likely true for that specific period of time. If PS5 was aiming for a 2019 launch like some speculated then I can understand why they ran a chip at the time to hit around 8 even if they've very obviously moved past that target (and onto actual RDNA2 silicon) since then.
 
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LED Guy?

Banned
There’s really a super simple reason for Oberon being a PS5 dev kit at some point.

Navi 2 isn’t ready. But you want devs to have access to the architecture changes instead of being on GCN still.

What do you do....take the 40 cu limit and make a 36cu chip for yields, then clock that thing as high as possible to get close to target specs then let devs work with it. Once Navi 2 is ready for dev kits you replace those units.

Though in all honesty I just think github is a BC mode stress test. So only part of the chip active.
Yeah that’s very possible of it being true, I can see this as the case.

Also I love how HeisenbergFX4 HeisenbergFX4 gave you a 🧠 thoughtful LOL!!
 

Darklor01

Might need to stop sniffing glue
I know you probably mean well, but "why are you guys so sensitive" is the kind of toxic masculinity that should be avoided. It's perfectly fine to be sensitive. It's also perfectly fine to respond to haters the way he did. He'll come back if he wants to. What he needs > what we need.

What he needs is not > than what we need. What he needs should be what we all need. That should be the right to be treated with respect. There is no excuse for treating another The way he was treated. None.

Edit: I want to point out I agree with what you wrote right up to that one sentence about what he needs >what we need.
 
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