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PS5 Large on-chip SRAM pool why is it being ignored?
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DynamiteCop!
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It's not being ignored, I think people are just well aware of what's going on with this system as a whole and are not impressed. There are impressive aspects but on the whole the system is a missed opportunity.
MiyazakiHatesKojima
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I love the concept of 'cache scrubbers', they just feel so satisfying like scrubbing that itchy part during a shower.
Also, the way Cerny explained this part on the presentation made me realize how much I wish i would've pursued software engineering.
Also, the way Cerny explained this part on the presentation made me realize how much I wish i would've pursued software engineering.
Aceofspades
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I think 99.99% of these forums posters haven't had a single clue about anything Cerny said. But here you are at every thread about PS5 trying to shit on it as fast as you can
DynamiteCop!
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Imagine being offended by someone pointing out a factually based hardware hierarchy.I think 99.99% of these forums posters haven't had a single clue about anything Cerny said. But here you are at every thread about PS5 trying to shit on it as fast as you can
GHG
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The only missed opportunity was when the mods allowed you to come back after being permanently banned.
DynamiteCop!
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MiyazakiHatesKojima
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Go back to your sub-standard SSD thread.Is this what your arguments have boiled down to? Like you have so little to say in response that THIS is your 'win' for a hardware discussion?
Substance is lacking.
Atleast I know my threads are shit. Imagine not having the self-awareness to know that for yourself.
GHG
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Is this what your arguments have boiled down to? Like you have so little to say in response that THIS is your 'win' for a hardware discussion?
Substance is lacking.
Nah I'm just making an observation.
Keep doing what you're doing though. Even though it's contributing to most threads being difficult to read, I'd say you're doing a fantastic job.
yeah, I think the most disappointing aspect are the variable frequencies. But we will see how it plays, how loud or quiet the console will be. Interesting.
Imagine the PS5 being smaller than the slim AND as quiet as the Xbox series X (which is whisper quiet) THEN I would be impressed.
DynamiteCop!
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Imagine having so little self-awareness that you actually think weaker hardware is more powerful.
ethomaz
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He doesn’t even try to understand what he has no ideia about.I think 99.99% of these forums posters haven't had a single clue about anything Cerny said. But here you are at every thread about PS5 trying to shit on it as fast as you can
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GHG
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It's being ignored because they did a poor job explaining it and didn't show any real world examples of anything Cerny talked about.
Basically all they did was put out a bunch of numbers and attempt to justify them using words. It's not good enough, especially seen as the vast majority of their audience aren't technically minded enough to even begin to understand what was being spoken about.
ethomaz
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The ironyIs this what your arguments have boiled down to? Like you have so little to say in response that THIS is your 'win' for a hardware discussion?
Substance is lacking.
The irony 2.0Imagine having so little self-awareness that you actually think weaker hardware is more powerful.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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It's not being ignored; however in the grand scheme of things it's not a "large" pool of memory, either. SRAM caches almost never are. You're probably looking at 4 MB at most and it's there for things like the Coherency Engines, I/O sub-processors etc.
A very small chunk of very fast embedded cache, but it's nothing particularly radical even in terms of flash memory controller designs.
A very small chunk of very fast embedded cache, but it's nothing particularly radical even in terms of flash memory controller designs.
DynamiteCop!
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It wasn't an issue with explanation, I'm sure most of us greatly understood the vast majority of the systems design and what Cerny was saying. However a lot of us also understand that he greatly embellished, that he went overboard with technical details to make things sound more impressive than they actually are.
TheBreezyBB
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Microsoft marketing team is hard at work atm, so any PS5 news will be buried deep.
The PS5 as a whole will be really good and even multi-platform games will look exactly the same. Open world games will be a lot better on PS5, and i can't wait to play GTAVI!
The PS5 as a whole will be really good and even multi-platform games will look exactly the same. Open world games will be a lot better on PS5, and i can't wait to play GTAVI!
Panajev2001a
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Sure you would, were did they embellish things or are you fighting windmills and pretending everything you get from the green side is gospel?
MiyazakiHatesKojima
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MiyazakiHatesKojima
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If only Sony had GTAVI as a timed exclusive like back in the PS2 days
I'll never forgive the Xbox 360 for limiting an entire generation of Grand Theft Auto because they didn't adopt the Blu-Ray (Imagine GTA IV fulfilling their original vision with the Blu-Ray/Cell Processor).
*Nightwing
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Becouse all of this long term is going to change the industry, but right now short term means ps5 games are not going to be of the graphical quality of sxbox. And by short term I mean this entire console gen. Can guarantee the following gen Xbox will have it included and maybee if Sony focuses on bringing the best performance console with existing tech then instead of trying to revolutionize it again, the ps6 might then be more powerfull than the celibate Xbox or whatever name they choose that gen
ethomaz
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I’m not shocked you know more than Cerny
ethomaz
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The best marketing are games.
If games shows everything Cerny talked then it is a win-win.
ZywyPL
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This pic clearly demonstrates that Sony did with PS5 what MS did with XB1 - same die size, less of it used for the actual processing/computing. XB1 had ESRAM at the cost of lower CU count, now PS5 has lower CU count for SRAM and two I/O controllers. I won't be shocked if both consoles will come at the same price, because fabs don't care how do you use your transistor count.
MadchesterManc
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OP. It's pointless starting a topic at the moment regarding an aspect of the Ps5 architecture little is known about for folk to speculate & discuss, as fanboys will invariably always come to these threads to stink them up like dead dogs final pass of wind
darkinstinct
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Absolutely, price is determined by die size alone. PS5 might even end up being more expensive.
Wandering Leopard
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It was mentioned during the presentation (at 18:40) no? If I recall, it's purely for file I/O memory management/mapping.
A lot has already been talked about I/O.
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ethomaz
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The PS5 APU is rumored to be around 300mm2.
That cache is very small compared with XB1’s ESRAM... ESRAM took near 50% of the due size.
It is a drive cache common in PC while ERSAM was a addictional memory to try to cover the slow DDR3.
That cache is probably what helped them archive SSD low seek time and high speeds.
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ethomaz
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Yeap how PS5 API die will be bigger than 360mm2 with 36CUs and some smal cache.
C’mon.
It is estimated to be around 300mm2 maybe even smaller.
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LostDonkey
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Imagine having so little self-awareness that you actually think weaker hardware is more powerful.
Ps5ProFoSho
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And if everyone will look to your left you will see an xbox fanboy in its natural habitat, feircly striking out against anything that resembles competition.
TGO
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Base on the stuff I've seen people post?I think 99.99% of these forums posters haven't had a single clue about anything Cerny said. But here you are at every thread about PS5 trying to shit on it as fast as you can
I think they just saw the TF count.
Because some of the posts have been so misinformed they been more embarrassing then the Sony fanboy meltdowns
LordKasual
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The only thing being ignored right now from PS5 that nobody is talking about is Geometry Engine.
The rest, we know enough about.
The rest, we know enough about.
Shin
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Which is mess shading like on PC and XS.
Xbox did a great job highlighting every feature they wanted to put out, excellent write up on their behalf, but it's not discussed either.
Case in point, people will pick and choose whichever feature suits their need to have a pointless argument without possibly knowing what it does exactly.
ethomaz
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That will continue until games start to show.
So we will know what these consoles really can do.
LordKasual
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Yes, XSX's comes from DX12's "mesh shaders", which both consoles will have.
"Geometry Engine" implies that they have their own implementation somehow to assist with this.
He then later says "another new feature of our custom RDNA2 GPU" and then specifically says its Raytracing capabilities are no different from the PC ones.
The wording implies that it's something specific on PS5, an implementation different from that of XSX.
This could simply be PR speak for a standard RDNA2 feature, or they could have put something dedicated on the GPU towards handling this, which could be very interesting considering the GPU reaches such a high frequency.
If they expanded it then it could be worth mentioning, but it's also entirely possible that it's nothing more than them explaining the feature on its basis and it's PR speak.
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Shin
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Could be, if you find the Tweet feel free to dump it I'm curious.
Just did a quick search but I keep coming back to DX12/U even on Beyond3D, so could be their own solution.
LordKasual
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Well there are a few, this was the key one:
But "Geometry Engine" refers to things that all GPUs have these days apparently.
So the discussion here is whether or not what Cerny was referring to is another specifically custom addition to aid PS5's GPU (like its cache scrubbers) or if it's just them explaining the inclusion of the feature because the architecture is new, and thus the ability to extensively use it on consoles is now mostly new.
There is not enough information to know, but if it's actually something custom (and not him just talking about being able to do it) then it's potentially really big. I'm not exactly sure where it falls in the pipeline, but i can imagine this is something that would be very useful to be expanded on with the PS5's GPU specifically because its frequency overclocking.
But it SOUNDS like something very valuable for sony to expand upon, as the architecture of the PS5 revolves around trading power between CPU and GPU based on load. Anything to reduce the GPU's load would benefit this paradigm and so it makes sense (if it's cost effective) to put some extra focus into a smart culling feature.
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LordKasual
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These here though reinforces it.
It's likely something custom they've put in, i see no reason to bring attention to something that not only XSX has by default of RDNA2, but would probably be better on XSX.
Shin
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Maybe it's this: https://patents.google.com/patent/US9836816B2/en
Only took a quick glimpse, but found it among other VRS patents.
Panajev2001a
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Not following you on the bolder part... Xbox has it too and it is better on Xbox... because?
ebullientprism
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I could smell the console fanboy desperation while I was browsing Off-Topic. LOL.
That would be in the flash controller or the SSD this is on the SoC why would they take up space on the main chip for SSD RAM?
Coulomb_Barrier
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The tech in PS5 has been called a 'game changer' and a 'paradigm shift' by developers that have worked on it, and I think this idea is slowly starting to transpire. Series X seems much more 'standard' in terms of parts.