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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check

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cryptoadam

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In my neck of the woods I feel the social distancing stuff is being taken seriously. Streets/roads are pretty dead. I have been told buses/metro's are like ghost towns during rush hour. I still see people out but not in large groups. Not many masks but I see people using paper towel or their jackets to open doors, press buttons etc...

Canada GAF what you guys seeing in regards to social distancing?
 

DeepEnigma

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They used to be buddies.

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Maybe it is and always will be, theater.
 
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crowbrow

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In my country, Costa Rica, cases where increasing by 10-20 per day and yesterday there were only 4 new cases. I really hope they have it controlled down there. My parents are on the farm in the meantime and my brother leaves them groceries at the door without entering the house. I think most people are taking it seriously. But I hope they don't get too confident and lower defenses cause it seems Nicaragua is not taking it seriously enough yet.
 

Stouffers

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Since this preys primarily on the obese and to aid in curbing America’s weight problem, would anyone be opposed to calling this the “Fatty-Flu?”
 

cryptoadam

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Testing numbers from Canada

National Microbiology Laboratory's summary of people tested in Canada as of March 21, 2020 at 5:00 pm EDT

Total number of patients tested in CanadaTotal positiveTotal negative
88,8831,17677,383

98.7% test negative.

We are about a quarter away from SK's amount of tests, so its ramping up. (37.5 vs 51.5 million people).
 

Jtibh

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In my neck of the woods I feel the social distancing stuff is being taken seriously. Streets/roads are pretty dead. I have been told buses/metro's are like ghost towns during rush hour. I still see people out but not in large groups. Not many masks but I see people using paper towel or their jackets to open doors, press buttons etc...

Canada GAF what you guys seeing in regards to social distancing?
Its a mixed bag to be honest.
I try avoiding stores so cant tell whats inside but parking lots seem empty.
Its the weekend but i expect monday to be busy.
Yesterdays numbers and by the looks of it todays numbers are sadly very very low.

I say sadly cuz this will only encourage people to ignore the risk and go back to not give a shit.
They fail to understand we are at the very beginning of the outbreak.

I can report though that yesterday streets were busy and also a lot of people were outside for a walk . Lot more than any other time.
 

cryptoadam

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You want people in open armed revolt against the government? This is how you get it.


How is that even possible. 4-9 months lockdown? The city will be destitute in 6 weeks.

I hope are leaders are thinking up a plan beyond lockdowns. There has to be something in place that allows people to return to some sort of work/life even if its limited and small at first. Considering that for the non elderly it has a low mortality rate as a society we eventually will have to take the risk. No I am not writing off people going to hospitals or long term issues or the odd 30 year old dying.

But at some point we gotta be like welp 1% of dying today, but gotta go out and work. Wether its allowing only recovered people to slowly get out there, or allowing small test groups, or whatever. But I don't think we can expect people to be lockdown for 9 months when this isn't something that is a death sentence if you get it.
 

Loki

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Re: food, I'd advise people to stock up on peanut butter. It's what I did. If things ever get super-lean and real food is hard to come by, you can survive on like 3-4 tbsp of PB per day. It's the most calorically dense food there is, and has (somewhat) good fats and a fair amount of protein. Ration that well and you'll survive a long time.
 

cryptoadam

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Its a mixed bag to be honest.
I try avoiding stores so cant tell whats inside but parking lots seem empty.
Its the weekend but i expect monday to be busy.
Yesterdays numbers and by the looks of it todays numbers are sadly very very low.

I say sadly cuz this will only encourage people to ignore the risk and go back to not give a shit.
They fail to understand we are at the very beginning of the outbreak.

I can report though that yesterday streets were busy and also a lot of people were outside for a walk . Lot more than any other time.

Welp if they want a national lockdown then they can still keep doing these things.

All though I will say going for a walk alone or with one other person probably isn't that bad. As long as you aren't touching things and then touching your face, and you wash your hands getting out for a little stretch isn't a horrible evil. Kids playing in a park stupid. Walking around the block alone I think is OK.
 

Jtibh

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Re: food, I'd advise people to stock up on peanut butter. It's what I did. If things ever get super-lean and real food is hard to come by, you can survive on like 3-4 tbsp of PB per day. It's the most calorically dense food there is, and has (somewhat) good fats and a fair amount of protein. Ration that well and you'll survive a long time.
Might as well say you can survive on 4 tbsp of sperm a day.
Better stock up now.
 

Jtibh

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Welp if they want a national lockdown then they can still keep doing these things.

All though I will say going for a walk alone or with one other person probably isn't that bad. As long as you aren't touching things and then touching your face, and you wash your hands getting out for a little stretch isn't a horrible evil. Kids playing in a park stupid. Walking around the block alone I think is OK.
I have no idea how to do this for months with my child.
Its already hard as is.
 

ManaByte

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How is that even possible. 4-9 months lockdown? The city will be destitute in 6 weeks.

I hope are leaders are thinking up a plan beyond lockdowns. There has to be something in place that allows people to return to some sort of work/life even if its limited and small at first. Considering that for the non elderly it has a low mortality rate as a society we eventually will have to take the risk. No I am not writing off people going to hospitals or long term issues or the odd 30 year old dying.

But at some point we gotta be like welp 1% of dying today, but gotta go out and work. Wether its allowing only recovered people to slowly get out there, or allowing small test groups, or whatever. But I don't think we can expect people to be lockdown for 9 months when this isn't something that is a death sentence if you get it.

They already convinced the public to buy into being in home prisons. They have them under their control now.
 

TwoDurans

"Never said I wasn't a hypocrite."
How is that even possible. 4-9 months lockdown? The city will be destitute in 6 weeks.

I hope are leaders are thinking up a plan beyond lockdowns. There has to be something in place that allows people to return to some sort of work/life even if its limited and small at first. Considering that for the non elderly it has a low mortality rate as a society we eventually will have to take the risk. No I am not writing off people going to hospitals or long term issues or the odd 30 year old dying.

But at some point we gotta be like welp 1% of dying today, but gotta go out and work. Wether its allowing only recovered people to slowly get out there, or allowing small test groups, or whatever. But I don't think we can expect people to be lockdown for 9 months when this isn't something that is a death sentence if you get it.

The point of the lockdowns is to isolate people during the 14 day period that it takes to manifest in most people then an additional 10 days that it would take for a healthy person to get over wherever symptoms they might have. We're not hiding from the virus, we're taking time to get it, get it over with, and keep from giving it to others.

It won't be 9 months or even 4 months. It'll be 4-8 weeks tops as the virus seems to come in waves across countries and we need to wait for it to spread and go away.
 

cryptoadam

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They already convinced the public to buy into being in home prisons. They have them under their control now.

Yes for now.

But not for long.

Italy, NYC, Spain one of these is going to blow up unless results are shown.

People today have short ADD riddled attention spans. Instant gratification is needed.

If they see staying locked up at home isn't turning the tide and there are actually more and more deaths each day, eventually people are just going to say fuck it.

Then we see what reactions the police and armies have.
 

cryptoadam

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When do we see the first attempted robbery with Corona?

"Give me all your money or I cough on you. Make it quick cuz I got a loogey ready to go, and I can spit from 6 feet away."
 
Re: food, I'd advise people to stock up on peanut butter. It's what I did. If things ever get super-lean and real food is hard to come by, you can survive on like 3-4 tbsp of PB per day. It's the most calorically dense food there is, and has (somewhat) good fats and a fair amount of protein. Ration that well and you'll survive a long time.

The fats in peanut butter are all fine. The bulk of it is oleic acid, which has no connection to heart disease and has anti-inflammatory and immune system benefits based on metastudies.

The rest is saturated fat, which is fine to eat as long as you aren't guzzling sugar. Natural no-sugar-added peanut butter with the oil is the best.
 

ManaByte

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Yes for now.

But not for long.

Italy, NYC, Spain one of these is going to blow up unless results are shown.

People today have short ADD riddled attention spans. Instant gratification is needed.

If they see staying locked up at home isn't turning the tide and there are actually more and more deaths each day, eventually people are just going to say fuck it.

Then we see what reactions the police and armies have.

They won't have jobs to go back to. The governments have already shown they will revoke business licenses of stores that defy their orders. We're just a few steps away from FEMA concentration camps and forced imprisonment at this time.
 
I guess that's a little better? Still bad



+5560 cases (6557 yesterday)
+651 deaths (793 yesterday)

It's dipped for 1 day before, then it roars back, so don't count your chickens yet.

 
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cryptoadam

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Man I can only wish that in July we see the opening of the games and the announcers talking about how the world is overjoyed to be in big crowds again after 100K people died but we got through the pandemic and showed the true human spirit etc....

If the Olympics happen it will be a huge celebration of beating Corona Chan. Even in Japan got its situation under control, and even though they are starting to hold events again, how could they import all these people from all over the place and risk bringing in Corona Chan. OTOH though everyone would probably be dying to get to Japan if it was Corona free.
 

Setzer

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Nice to see Italy have a drop in # of cases and deaths after the past several days. Hopefully it's a trend in the right direction.
 
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Foamy

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Since this preys primarily on the obese and to aid in curbing America’s weight problem, would anyone be opposed to calling this the “Fatty-Flu?”

"You are hanging on by a very thin thread"

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autoduelist

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OK, I've worked in biotech industry at a company that was creating drugs.
None of it can be created overnight, even if you find something killing the virus and potentially not deadly to humans (not an easy task, mind you) you need serious (and looong) studies to make sure your drug itself doesn't kill/seriously harm.

On top of it, note that labs (although, perhaps, not as intensively) were working on SARS for years.

Where did I say anything could be done overnight? My quote that you took was directly comparing the state of technology today to the state of medical technology during the Black Death and pointing out we are in a far better situation. That it takes time to properly do studies doesn't change that in the least.
 

Loki

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The fats in peanut butter are all fine. The bulk of it is oleic acid, which has no connection to heart disease and has anti-inflammatory and immune system benefits based on metastudies.

The rest is saturated fat, which is fine to eat as long as you aren't guzzling sugar. Natural no-sugar-added peanut butter with the oil is the best.

I know the fats in PB are fine. I only added the "somewhat" because they still aren't as good as, say, the Omega-3's you can find in fish, especially if you're talking about huge commercially-produced PB's like Skippy or Jiff.
 

cryptoadam

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You can't have a trend based on 2 or 3 days. Lets wait a week to see. A dip in numbers could just simply be from lag of reporting/results.

So anyone with a ball park guess on how many people are actually infected? Seems that testing yields a 1-4% positive rate.

So I am wondering how many people are actually infected since we keep finding new ones, but not increasing the %.

1.7 Million people where I live. Numbers said 41% right now are community transmission. So I would estimate maybe around 100K infected at this point.
 

llien

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The USA will get 30 - 50k new cases daily, before peaking.
Why would it peak at only 30-50k a day?

Where did I say anything could be done overnight? My quote that you took was directly comparing the state of technology today to the state of medical technology during the Black Death and pointing out we are in a far better situation. That it takes time to properly do studies doesn't change that in the least.
My point was, unless we are lucky with some SARS work in progress, finding cure any time soon is unlikely.
 
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Kagey K

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Its a mixed bag to be honest.
I try avoiding stores so cant tell whats inside but parking lots seem empty.
Its the weekend but i expect monday to be busy.
Yesterdays numbers and by the looks of it todays numbers are sadly very very low.

I say sadly cuz this will only encourage people to ignore the risk and go back to not give a shit.
They fail to understand we are at the very beginning of the outbreak.

I can report though that yesterday streets were busy and also a lot of people were outside for a walk . Lot more than any other time.
The numbers here were low because tests were low (in Alberta). In previous days they were testing 3500 people. Yesterday they only tested 1000. I expect to really see the numbers climb on Tues, Weds when they get back to the bigger testing numbers.
 
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You can't have a trend based on 2 or 3 days. Lets wait a week to see. A dip in numbers could just simply be from lag of reporting/results.

So anyone with a ball park guess on how many people are actually infected? Seems that testing yields a 1-4% positive rate.

So I am wondering how many people are actually infected since we keep finding new ones, but not increasing the %.

1.7 Million people where I live. Numbers said 41% right now are community transmission. So I would estimate maybe around 100K infected at this point.

It's hard because the test isn't a one and done.. someone testing negative now can be positive tomorrow, or next week.. or whenever.
 

betrayal

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You can't have a trend based on 2 or 3 days. Lets wait a week to see. A dip in numbers could just simply be from lag of reporting/results.

So anyone with a ball park guess on how many people are actually infected? Seems that testing yields a 1-4% positive rate.

So I am wondering how many people are actually infected since we keep finding new ones, but not increasing the %.

1.7 Million people where I live. Numbers said 41% right now are community transmission. So I would estimate maybe around 100K infected at this point.

This is difficult to estimate, but in general the real case numbers in epidemics with a R0 between two and three are about 10-30 times higher than the confirmed cases.
 

cryptoadam

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This is difficult to estimate, but in general the real case numbers in epidemics with a R0 between two and three are about 10-30 times higher than the confirmed cases.

The only positive about that number is that it means mortality/ICU rates are much lower, and it also means that we will have lots of people who have got this and recovered and are now immune to it.

TBH I wish that instead of 300K cases there were actually 9 Million cases. That would probably mean 8.98 of them will recover in a week or two and be immune.

Now I know they so far have said you can't get it again, but can you get it a second time without it affecting you (asymptomatic) but you can still shed it/spread it? Is that known? Or once you get it the antibodies will fight it off if and after that you happen to kiss a hot chinese women with big boobs you can still spread it?
 
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betrayal

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It's hard because the test isn't a one and done.. someone testing negative now can be positive tomorrow, or next week.. or whenever.

That's all true what you say, but the higher the current case numbers are with an exponential growth, the greater the probability that even a small decline over 1-2 days can already indicate a trend. Of course, this requires the same test conditions. That is of course all looking into the crystal ball, but if the quaratine are respected by the majority, then a decrease of the case numbers after 2-3 weeks is as certain as 1+1 equals 2.
 
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Azelover

Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
Go to the farmacy and get some flu medication if you don't have it. Before it runs out. There isn't enough for everybody.

It can't be ibuprofen, remember that. Just get some paracetamol.
 
They already convinced the public to buy into being in home prisons. They have them under their control now.
Seriously? This is ridiculous come on now. Humanity has to come together to fight this shit, obviously lockdown for that long is not ideal and probably won't happen but the conspiracy crap just hurts people.
 
That's all true what you say, but the higher the current case numbers are with an exponential growth, the greater the probability that even a small decline over 1-2 days can already indicate a trend. Of course, this requires the same test conditions. That is of course all looking into the crystal ball, but if the quaratine are respected by the majority, then a decrease of the case numbers after 2-3 weeks is as certain as 1+1 equals 2.

I think the problem with that, at least in the US is that things are going to be spreading at all different rates due to different types of lockdowns, the population density, habits, etc.
 
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