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Kusarigama
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How can sound be one dimensional? Sound is mechanical vibrations set in a medium(air usually). Light has dual nature, it is electromagnetic wave as well as particle(a tiny packet of energy, the so called quantum). So since both have wave nature both travel in a given space(3 dimensions)
B_Boss
Member
You know, this is the second time I’ve seen this claim so far and I’m genuinely surprised, especially given how another member here had made mention of the reason why PC isn’t as widely used for gaming as consoles are.
Is is really true that there are more PC gamers than console gamers? I thought that generally speaking there are far more console gamers than PC gamers
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MasterCornholio
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DaGwaphics
Member
You know, this is the second time I’ve seen this claim so far and I’m genuinely surprised, especially given how another member here had made mention of the reason why PC isn’t as widely used for gaming as consoles are.
Is is really true that there are more PC gamers than console gamers? I thought that generally speaking there are far more console gamers than PC gamers
I guess it would depend on what you consider a PC gamer. If it is only considering PC users with a GFX Card that could provide console level gaming, I would think that consoles would outnumber gaming PCs by a strong margin. If you include integrated graphics users that sometimes play older games at lower settings, PC would have the advantage.
Fake
Member
No. If your question was 'there are more PC users than gamers', so yes. As I posted today, my guess are those 'potential' PC users, not necessarily 'PC gamers'.
Its just like saying 'This game is coming to PC', when actually is coming for a personal computer that is running Windows Operation System, not necessarily a 'PC'.
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megreotsugua
Banned
You know, this is the second time I’ve seen this claim so far and I’m genuinely surprised, especially given how another member here had made mention of the reason why PC isn’t as widely used for gaming as consoles are.
Is is really true that there are more PC gamers than console gamers? I thought that generally speaking there are far more console gamers than PC gamers
There are a lot of PC gamers with crappy PC that only plays CSgo, Dota2, MMOs and the likes.
Fake
Member
As same as console users with old game consoles. Not much of a point you have. Poor countries like my (Brazil) when you can't 'piracy' computer components, but you indeed can get a 'piracy' gaming console for very cheap. And even if there is a research showing otherwise, most of than don't take into consideration poor countries.
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farmerboy
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lepermessiah
still juicy? 
Which console and what game you looking forward to most?
For some reason cant @ Bo Hazem, what sorcery allowed him to come bacl from a perm?
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MasterCornholio
Member
But on a serious note Evillore reviewed his case and determined that the ban was unjust. You can read about it in the Bans Justification thread.
NeoGAF Ban Review/Justice Project
This has been happening repeatedly yes, its one of the common topics constantly being discussed whether PS5 RDNA2 GPU supports RDNA2 features. Now i won't pretend to know what's going on in their heads i.e Do they believe it or just concern trolling? It's all speculation in the end. But I do...
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
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3liteDragon
Member
Guys, the release date for Ghost of Tsushima has been changed to August 1st, 2020 on the PlayStation Canada website.
www.playstation.com
We actually might be getting TLOU2 in June! I think we might be getting an announcement tomorrow.
PlayStation® Official Site: Consoles, Games, Accessories & More
Explore the new generation PlayStation 4 and PS5 consoles - experience immersive gaming with thousands of hit games in every genre to rewrite the rules for what a PlayStation console can do.
www.playstation.com
We actually might be getting TLOU2 in June! I think we might be getting an announcement tomorrow.
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HawarMiran
Banned
probably tuesday. they are obsessed with that dayGuys, the release date for Ghost of Tsushima has been changed to August 1st, 2020 on the PlayStation Canada website.
PlayStation® Official Site: Consoles, Games, Accessories & More
Explore the new generation PlayStation 4 and PS5 consoles - experience immersive gaming with thousands of hit games in every genre to rewrite the rules for what a PlayStation console can do.
We actually might be getting TLOU2 in June! I think we might be getting an announcement tomorrow.
Grodiak
Member
As a physical phenomenon, this makes absolutely zero sense. Both light and sound are waves with varying frequencies. Both go from point a to point b making it already impossible to be one dimensional (a one-dimensional wave does not exist). And to that same point, not 3d.
3liteDragon
Member
Amazon Potentially Leaks The Last of Us 2's New Release Date
Not too long after Naughty Dog's announcement that the Last of Us 2 was delayed indefinitely, online retailer Amazon leaks its new release date.
gamerant.com
Looks like June 26th is for TLOU2 then?
James Sawyer Ford
Member
You know, this is the second time I’ve seen this claim so far and I’m genuinely surprised, especially given how another member here had made mention of the reason why PC isn’t as widely used for gaming as consoles are.
Is is really true that there are more PC gamers than console gamers? I thought that generally speaking there are far more console gamers than PC gamers
Depends on the genre of game, but if you look at Publisher's sales figures, PC games only make up a fraction of the marker. Like 15-20% in comparison to consoles and mobile.
SonGoku
Member
There are more pc gamers but the bulk of them play LoL and other f2p games on their toaster computers/laptops, also Chinese market is predominately PC but again plays f2p games mostly
The audience for AAA games is bigger on consoles though, thats why AAA publishers prioritize consoles because that's were the money is for the type of games they make.
I don't know specifics, but Audio RT is much cheaper on resources.
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BluRayHiDef
Banned
If your conclusion that the XSX's GPU has 64 ROPs is correct, how would it perform relative to the PS5's GPU, considering that it runs at 1.825 GHz while the PS5's GPU also has 64 ROPs but runs at 2.233 GHz? Consider my previous calculations as well, please.
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lepermessiah
Member
Which console and what game you looking forward to most?
For some reason cant @ Bo Hazem, what sorcery allowed him to come bacl from a perm?
Looking forward to PS5 the most due to exclusives, keen to check out Halo though on the X. Ghost of Sashimi looking pretty, pretty tasty mmmm, look at dat LOD
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ethomaz
Banned
I believe 64 ROPs is more than enough for 4k 120fps... to be fair I never saw an AMD GPU being bootleneck by ROPs.
Xbox One X has 32 ROPs.
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SonGoku
Member
Isn't VRS done on the rasterization step? Would be ironic if PS5 turned out to be better at VRS even if only slightly so
BluRayHiDef
Banned
Yes, but how would the ROPs running at the relatively lower frequency of 1.825 GHz fair against those of the PS5 running at 2.233 GHz, considering that the XSX's GPU is 16% faster in regard to other areas (namely fillrate and computation)?
ethomaz
Banned
By AMD patent the rasterization step is where the shader rate is set after that it can be used in any step of the pipeline.
VARIABLE RATE SHADING - Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
<div p-id="p-0001">A technique for performing rasterization and pixel shading with decoupled resolution is provided herein. The technique involves performing rasterization as normal to generate fine r
www.freepatentsonline.com
“Also at step 402, the rasterizer stage 314 determines one or more shading rates for the samples of the triangle.”
“Shading rates are applied to the render target based on one or more of the following techniques: a tile-based rate determination technique, in which the render target is divided into a set of shading rate tiles and each shading rate tile is assigned a particular shading rate; a triangle-based rate determination technique, in which a particular shading rate is assigned to each primitive; and a state-based rate determination technique, in which shading rate state changes propagate through the pipeline, and, at the rasterizer stage 314, set the shading rate for subsequent pixels until the next shading rate state change is processed by the rasterizer stage 314. These techniques may be combined, with different techniques being given different priorities. In one example, the state-based rate determination technique defines a default shading rate for samples of a triangle. In this example, the tile-based rate determination technique overrides the state-based values, and the triangle-based shading rates override the state-based values and the tile-based values. Other priorities may alternatively exist, or the different techniques may be independently applied.”
AMD describe three ways to use Variable Rate Shading.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
The new Bloomberg article is troubling. Devs expect the console to launch ah $499 to $549. Releasing a 10 tflops console at $549 is going to be a disaster.
That said, I'm not so sure if the Xbox is going to be $499 in that case. Maybe it's a $599 console after all.
Though Phil did say that they will not be outpriced this time around. Regardless, as i suspected, trying to save a few dollars on a smaller silicon was always going to be a bad idea. Now they have a weaker console with potentially the same BOM.
That said, I'm not so sure if the Xbox is going to be $499 in that case. Maybe it's a $599 console after all.
Though Phil did say that they will not be outpriced this time around. Regardless, as i suspected, trying to save a few dollars on a smaller silicon was always going to be a bad idea. Now they have a weaker console with potentially the same BOM.
saintjules
Member
I think you're not using a proper headset, or your device is not producing it properly. I have a high end PC but it produces shit sound from its native 3.5 auxiliary port, but through TV's 3.5 aux and using only HDMI ARC (not eARC) the amount of detail in the sound is NEVER been in a game I've tried so far.
My headphones are pretty cheap, but Sony cellphone headphones (Sony MH410c), but good for 100-16,000Hz which is very good for such a small, cheap headphone. It's funny that they're somehow better than my Astro A40 in terms of clarity, maybe for being closer to the ear?
But don't worry, with a gaming headset if that's available in your next console, you'll be amazed.
I was actually listening on my Dynaudio studio monitors. I'll do an extensive listen, but there's definitely some stereo merging going on in the audio, but it did sound stereo for some of it. Also sounded like panning too.
I'd love to have a WAV version of the audio. We know how YouTube likes to compromise sound quality. Just like SoundCloud and the like.
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saintjules
Member
Guys, the release date for Ghost of Tsushima has been changed to August 1st, 2020 on the PlayStation Canada website.
PlayStation® Official Site: Consoles, Games, Accessories & More
Explore the new generation PlayStation 4 and PS5 consoles - experience immersive gaming with thousands of hit games in every genre to rewrite the rules for what a PlayStation console can do.
We actually might be getting TLOU2 in June! I think we might be getting an announcement tomorrow.
Weird. August 1st is a Saturday.
Shmunter
Member
Over $499 would be an issue. 10TF however totally irrelevant to a market where 99% of the consumers wouldn’t even know what that is.
Only the price and games do the talking in a mass consumer market. And arguably to a layman, PS5 starting a game instantly vs the competition taking some time will speak volumes to which system appears superior. It’s a tangible and obvious advantage. DF pixel counting is only a talking point on Neogaf and related offshoots.
Need to be realistic in the difference between consumers at large and us propeller-heads.
ethomaz
Banned
We can try to make some maths.
4k @ 60fps uses how many pixels? ~500,000,000 pixels/s.
Xbox: 116,800,000,000 pixels/s
PS5: 142,720,000,000 pixels/s
I know it is a dumb math but the pixel fillrate is already way over what needed for 4k @ 60fps.
EliteSmurf
Member
Sony Plans Limited PlayStation 5 Output in First Year
Link to article
Link to article
TL;DR : Developers expect the console to be between $499 and $549 and 5 to 6 Million consoles being made in the fiscal year ending March 2021.
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BluRayHiDef
Banned
This is an informative response, but I'm still wondering whether the difference in rasterization would result in some perceivaable difference, or is rasterization not as important as fillrate and computation?
BluRayHiDef
Banned
Even if it were $1000, I'd still buy it before a price drop.
Bonsaibäumchen
Member
I'm not really surprised. Wondering if they'll delay those next-gen consoles eventually. Especially taking the economic effects of covid-19 into consideration.
Well we will see how everything turns out. Thanks for the info anyways.
I guess 1000€ would be to much for me personally, i'd pay up to 700€ without hesitation however.
€dit: Might however depend on my job, as long as I'm getting my full current wage that souldn't be a problem.
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Deleted member 775630
Unconfirmed Member
What agendas? If two systems do something exactly the same, isn't that the norm then? The standard they set? Hence the new normal. Why do Playstation fans always get so defensive about their system? It's a good console, but it doesn't have to be the best at every aspect.
BluRayHiDef
Banned
I hope that demand doesn't exceed supply and subsequently makes it difficult to acquire one.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Really? Is it really the PS fans that neeeed to have their console be best at everything maybe even reaching into things like fake HDR (computed as a post process effect like your TV) to claim superiority?
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FeiRR
Banned
I was looking for that, thanks! I mean, for the name of the technique, not the article itself. When I called RT 'a gimmick', people jumped at me. What I wanted to say was there are many ways to achieve similar graphics fidelity without diminishing returns of full path tracing for which the consumer hardware isn't ready yet. Now I was able to find a video which shows how those techniques can be used:
You know, this is the second time I’ve seen this claim so far and I’m genuinely surprised, especially given how another member here had made mention of the reason why PC isn’t as widely used for gaming as consoles are.
Is is really true that there are more PC gamers than console gamers? I thought that generally speaking there are far more console gamers than PC gamers
The less wealthy a country, the more people play on PCs and, of course, mobile. The reason is simple: PC can be primarily used for work and learning and then also for entertainment. Console is a one-purpose machine so it's a luxury in most of the world. Moreover, to play online you need to pay a sub, while on PC it's free and many MP games are free to play too. It's estimated that there are over 2 billion PCs in the world, most of them are capable of running old and non-demanding games. For example, have you ever heard of Crossfire? It's the most popular shooter in the world. COD probably has one tenth of its player population.
I'm not sure I'm happy about that. The only way I could get FF7R was digital because physical copies aren't available due to border lockdowns. I don't want to get those games digitally, besides they're 30% more expensive that way.
The most interesting information in that article for me is that the assembly factories are receiving components for PS5. Which means the hardware (including form factor) is finished. June reveal seems plausible now.
CrysisFreak
Banned
1) If Ghost of Tsushima gets delayed I'll go nuclear
2) If I can't get a launch PS5 because of limited supply I'll go nuclear
3) If I don't see next-gen gameplay within 3 weeks I'll go nuclear
2) If I can't get a launch PS5 because of limited supply I'll go nuclear
3) If I don't see next-gen gameplay within 3 weeks I'll go nuclear
FranXico
Member
Everybody run to the bunker!
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Deleted member 775630
Unconfirmed Member
Really? Fake HDR... Someone asked a question about BC, and I just responded with how XSX did it. Nowhere did I say that XSX is the best console. You are being childish.
ArcaneNLSC
Member
3liteDragon
Member
Probably a placeholder date if it got delayed, so if it does get delayed, the new release date would be Friday, July 31st, 2020. A day before.
3liteDragon
Member
I think we’re getting a console design reveal and teardown at the end of this month or in May. Then their blowout reveal in the summer would focus on the OS, unannounced features and games.
BluRayHiDef
Banned
Once that happens, the advertising momentum of the XSX will be completely halted.
FeiRR
Banned
I had a PS4 preorder at launch. When I was collecting mine, the shop assistant told me there that day he had turned away dozens of people who hadn't pre-ordered and asked if I wanted to sell mine. I checked online: I could get 20 percent more than launch price without any problems. The same was with Pro: it was impossible to buy for at least 3 months after launch.
I'm going to preorder PS5 the moment it's possible. If I can afford it at launch, that's another question...
VanSiriusGabriel
Member
Oh well, I guess war... war never changes.
ZywyPL
Banned
So actually 600-650$ for the end consumer due to supply shortages, just as what happened with PS4... Hopefully the supplies will be enough to support the demand, otherwise the stores will rip our wallets apart.
BluRayHiDef
Banned
If this happens, there will be beatings and robberies.
farmerboy
Member
Lunatic_Gamer
Gold Member
xool
Member
Finally it´s revealed why Phil Sponsor wanted to visit Japan so many times in the past few months!
Exclusive: This PC uses an Xbox One S motherboard and CPU, but you can’t buy it now
This workstation looks exquisite, despite its flawswww.techradar.com
The fuck. Is this real?
Interesting to see that "shitty mobile CPU" performing better than an i5-7400
$24 for one chip
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