I doubt the next AC will come out by 2022, but ok I guess.
Here we go with the baseless accusations again... I watched the presentation and I understand what he means. Do you?
Where does he say that they can reach sequential read speeds with random reads?
Funny... The majority that are speaking for the PS5's unique design didn't even look into the XSX apparently... Let me just copy a few things...
news.xbox.com
Its crazy to believe that a game that has been in development for 3+ years is coming out in current-gen consoles?
4.8GB/s is a peak figure for bcpack Texture compression, if only textures were being streamed which won't always be the case
Too many variables, too little data to draw that conclusion, for instance on the R/W test the advantage of the fastest drive jumped to 780% it depends how well a drive handles random reads, the drive you mentioned took a disproportionate hit for instance. Depends of how frequently games need to stream random data and how devs package data on the install.
So whats your point? "But, some games will be exclusive to next-gen!!!" My original point still stands, there's a reason games don't require 2080TIs or super-fast SSDs to run, there's a demographic, your casual game doesn't have that hardware. So yes, big publishers will wait till SSDs become the standard
It's not faking... It's a different type of test...
All true. But the tech isn't exclusive to the PS5, as I've already stated in my previous post.
All true. But I took the fastest and the slowest for a reason. The fastest drive took the biggest hit because they are advertising speeds that are not reachable in normal applications. That's how they sell the drives. And it should be noted that the fastest drive here is still slower than the PS5. So, if things are done in the same way, the performance drop of the PS5 will be equally 'disproportionate'.
He gave the typical throughput of the I/O, not the typical random read performance of the SSD for games. Those are two different things. They CAN mean the same thing, but I doubt it is in this case.
While they share similar features like an I/O APIs, decompressing units and SFS theres also customizations PS5 has that were not mentioned for XSX
"might" lol ok
It's swapping textures in and out, so it's not using less details. But if you lack VRAM, you might visually see the texture being swapped out, so to speak.
As long as the memory bus and GPU can handle it.
Let me ask you just one thing.... What does this mean...?;While they share similar features like an I/O APIs, decompressing units and SFS theres also customizations PS5 has that were not mentioned for XSX
PS5 strong points are: higher throughput from decompression unit (22GB/s vs 6GB/s), reads optimized ID system and SRAM to minimize random reads penalties, 6 priority levels to queue on demand data, I/O co processors and coherency engines
XSX strong points are: BCpack
"might" lol ok
www.tweaktown.com
While that can be true I think it is a waste... they can use one of the 40 CUs.
Sony isn't selling a speed or drives, their target from the beginning was 5GB/s and they surpassed it a bit. You can't make a correlation with a low quality drive and claim PS5's drive will be subject to the same limitation. The adata drive performance delta widened on the r/w random test for instance
What do you think typical i/o throughput means?
Mistake from the editorial mixing different concepts
The thing is any one of the CUs from SA's can be disabled, they can't predict were the defects will hit that's why im not sold on the idea, plus TE is a different design. Besides TE is tiny it wouldn't take much space at all.
Ryan "They're worth a trillion dollars" McCaffrey's deleted DualSense Tweet.
Really? Ok...
What exactly are you trying to achieve here? That it's 10tf and not 10.3tf? Is that 0.3tf such a big deal to you to keep going on and on about it?
Dude xsx ssd is 3 pin ssd vs ps5 is a 12 pin ssd . There is no physical way it can keep up with ps5 ssd when it comes to speed. Let it goHere we go with the baseless accusations again... I watched the presentation and I understand what he means. Do you?
Where does he say that they can reach sequential read speeds with random reads?
Funny... The majority that are speaking for the PS5's unique design didn't even look into the XSX apparently... Let me just copy a few things...
"DirectStorage is an all new I/O system designed specifically for gaming to unleash the full performance of the SSD and hardware decompression. It is one of the components that comprise the Xbox Velocity Architecture. Modern games perform asset streaming in the background to continuously load the next parts of the world while you play, and DirectStorage can reduce the CPU overhead for these I/O operations from multiple cores to taking just a small fraction of a single core; thereby freeing considerable CPU power for the game to spend on areas like better physics or more NPCs in a scene. "
Sound at all like PS5's solution? What about this?
" Hardware decompression is a dedicated hardware component introduced with Xbox Series X to allow games to consume as little space as possible on the SSD while eliminating all CPU overhead typically associated with run-time decompression. It reduces the software overhead of decompression when operating at full SSD performance from more than three CPU cores to zero – thereby freeing considerable CPU power for the game to spend on areas like better gameplay and improved framerates. "
Or this...?
"A component of the Xbox Velocity Architecture, SFS is a feature of the Xbox Series X hardware that allows games to load into memory, with fine granularity, only the portions of textures that the GPU needs for a scene, as it needs it. This enables far better memory utilization for textures, which is important given that every 4K texture consumes 8MB of memory. Because it avoids the wastage of loading into memory the portions of textures that are never needed, it is an effective 2x or 3x (or higher) multiplier on both amount of physical memory and SSD performance. "
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There's a reason I've been saying that most of the things the PS5 can do, the XSX can do it too. The PS5 might still have a speed advantage, but it's not exclusive tech to the PS5...
Ok. Thanks for answering my question.
This is why I say these idiots should stop doing this because they'll only hurt themselves and look silly later.Ryan "They're worth a trillion dollars" McCaffrey's deleted DualSense Tweet.
how do we know xsx ssd is 3 pin? that seems low
You are completely missing the point that an entry-level 512 GB SSD is about $50, so less than one RRP game. It's also a very easy to install and start benefiting from its performance: you just install a game to it and there you go. I switched to SSDs in my workstation years ago and never looked back. Those were simple, inexpensive upgrades which significantly increased the comfort of work. Next gen titles will just have an SSD as a requirement. There's even a PC exclusive game which requires SSD right now.
Steam hardware stats page says you're very wrong. It's not a good way to start a membership with groundless conjecture and a passive-agressive attitude towards your interlocutors. Just a friendly advice, we all have a 'report' button and as a new account, you're on probation.
KZ:S reflections aren't RT. There are several ways to make them look like that in realtime without RT.
You wouldn't see anything behind virtual camera of the game. It's also very taxing on hardware. That's why a lot of mirrors or puddles in games aren't very detailed (render at lower resolution and framerate) while a lot of mirrors are broken. This is to hide the lesser quality of that image. If you remember the first SpiderMan trailer, it has a lot of puddles, the construction yard was all wet. They decided to remove most of the puddles because it was too taxing on hardware and didn't add that much to the whole scene.That's an interesting take. With all the effort to speed-up I/O, there must be a real problem with encryption. PS4 encrypts/decrypts data on-the-fly. It's quite easy to do if you have a 50MB/s data stream. IIRC, one Jaguar core is dedicated to that (in PS3 it was one SPU). I don't think even a Ryzen CPU core can do on-the-fly encryption of 5 GB/s. Or can it?
Did you actually read the last line I wrote when you quoted me?
Oh great. Another one trying to justify a bug as actual RAM usage. Let me just drop this here...
www.techspot.com
They use more VRAM because of duplicate loading. You can look at that Techspot article above for more detail.
LMAO, he really wants the XSX to be as fast as the PS5 in regard to data transfer.
Did you actually read the last line I wrote when you quoted me?
Oh great. Another one trying to justify a bug as actual RAM usage. Let me just drop this here...
A recent example of this was seen on our Resident Evil 2 benchmark. We often saw VRAM allocation go as high as 8.5 GB when testing with the RTX 2080 Ti at 4K, but there was no performance penalty when using a graphics card with only 6GB of VRAM. There was however a big performance penalty for cards with less than 6 GB.
That is to say, while the game will allocate 8GB of VRAM at 4K when available, it appears to be using somewhere between 4 and 6 GB of memory, probably closer to the upper end of that range.
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They use more VRAM because of duplicate loading. You can look at that Techspot article above for more detail.
As for the 'weak' showing of SSD loading times, just wait till they officially announce BCPack.
Swapping textures happens all the time in games, just FYI. And allocation is not the same as required usage. And it was the same conclusion for multiple games... From the same article...
it's just first party titles that are affected though.
ATA drive has 40 pins, SATA has 7 pins but allows much faster transfer because of that "S" which stands for "serial". It's not how it works
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The flash controller, why may have been designed by Samsung (along with the memory), has 12 channels and offers bandwidth of 5.5GB/second. Six of them are prioritized for gaming.
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Let me ask you just one thing.... What does this mean...?;
The flash controller, why may have been designed by Samsung (along with the memory), has 12 channels and offers bandwidth of 5.5GB/second. Six of them are prioritized for gaming.
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The PlayStation 5's new SSD is revolutionary, delivering massive efficiency through speed and enabling true next-gen performance on the console.