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Crytek Engineer praising PS5 and Chris "Series X PS5 difference is staggering" Grannell may be both complete utter frauds
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bhunachicken
Member
Guys, the difference IS staggering.
Look, the PS5 can do about 10TF while the XSX is 12TF, locked.
12 - 10 = 2.
That's two whole extra TF to work with..! Look at what Sony could do with 1TF: Horizon: Zero Dawn. That means that XSX games will have two H:ZDs extra on every PS5 game..! That's loads! Who can say that's not a staggering difference.
Can you imagine what that would look like? Doing an XSX game on the PS5 would likely be like ports of arcade game to home systems, back in the early 90s.
To illustrate, here's the Amiga version of Street Fighter 2:
And the arcade version:
Now, these two look quite similar, but if you look closely you can see the arcade version has the edge. And that's not even in motion!
So, yes, the XSX is going to be way more powerful than the PS5.
As a bonus, here's what the C64 version of SF2 looked like. This is sort of what one could expect from a XSX game after being ported to a Lockhart (a 4TF machine):
Look, the PS5 can do about 10TF while the XSX is 12TF, locked.
12 - 10 = 2.
That's two whole extra TF to work with..! Look at what Sony could do with 1TF: Horizon: Zero Dawn. That means that XSX games will have two H:ZDs extra on every PS5 game..! That's loads! Who can say that's not a staggering difference.
Can you imagine what that would look like? Doing an XSX game on the PS5 would likely be like ports of arcade game to home systems, back in the early 90s.
To illustrate, here's the Amiga version of Street Fighter 2:
And the arcade version:
Now, these two look quite similar, but if you look closely you can see the arcade version has the edge. And that's not even in motion!
So, yes, the XSX is going to be way more powerful than the PS5.
As a bonus, here's what the C64 version of SF2 looked like. This is sort of what one could expect from a XSX game after being ported to a Lockhart (a 4TF machine):
Dory16
Banned
He doesn't control the suspicion on his work history. He's been on linkedin long before making comments on the power difference and nobody had an issue with his credibility then. For all we know, he may be sitting somewhere right now having to answer questions from his kids about whether he's a liar just because he gave his opinion on a toy. This thread has completely shifted away from the facts to stoop into the lowest type of personal attacks and with all respect, your personal sensitivity to something in the industry is not a good enough justification. I never appeal to the mods to close threads but this one seems like as good of a candidate as I have ever seen.
Nickolaidas
Member
…. I'm sorry, I must be smoking something. Did you just imply that games on the Series X when compared to PS5 versions will look like Arcade games compared to Amiga ports?Guys, the difference IS staggering.
Look, the PS5 can do about 10TF while the XSX is 12TF, locked.
12 - 10 = 2.
That's two whole extra TF to work with..! Look at what Sony could do with 1TF: Horizon: Zero Dawn. That means that XSX games will have two H:ZDs extra on every PS5 game..! That's loads! Who can say that's not a staggering difference.
Can you imagine what that would look like? Doing an XSX game on the PS5 would likely be like ports of arcade game to home systems, back in the early 90s.
To illustrate, here's the Amiga version of Street Fighter 2:
And the arcade version:
Now, these two look quite similar, but if you look closely you can see the arcade version has the edge. And that's not even in motion!
So, yes, the XSX is going to be way more powerful than the PS5.
As a bonus, here's what the C64 version of SF2 looked like. This is sort of what one could expect from a XSX game after being ported to a Lockhart (a 4TF machine):
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Who are you to disregard my "sensitivity"? Hmmm?
My feelings don't matter, but his do? Because he's batting for your "side" perhaps?
Seriously, I've not even attacked the guy. In fact in a previous post I conceded that he might be a top guy. All I've been saying all along is that I don't think he's at all credible as a technical commentator (because he isn't, and that's a fact), and the way he's presented himself online while appearing superficially impressive, doesn't have much currency with me, an industry vet with major connections to the dev-scene in Liverpool and NW England going back to the 1980's.
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Thirty7ven
Banned
And why am I not surprised some of you are defending this idiot but had no problem dismissing a guy that actually works at Crytek. Because that's amazing!
Dontero
Banned
Anyone even amateur in PC parts space know for 100% this is bullshit and you can't fill up TF difference with bullshit claims like "ssd matters"
As for someone working for someone. There are plenty of people working in various field. Unless he is technical lead or dude who works with engine his worth is as much as QA guy basically they don't know anything.
Bullshit runs through people veins, even technical directors can be full of shite. Remembre ps3 days ? Remember "power of the cell" ? There were plenty of people who spend literally decades designing chips crapping themselves all over that PS3 is the most powerfull machine by leaps and bounds.
And then it come out and you could barely see difference.
Those were not some unknown 3rd rate developers but leads, technical directors, lead chip designers and bunch of other people which had longer track record than most of people seen words in their life.
And yet all of those people were full of shit.
As for someone working for someone. There are plenty of people working in various field. Unless he is technical lead or dude who works with engine his worth is as much as QA guy basically they don't know anything.
Bullshit runs through people veins, even technical directors can be full of shite. Remembre ps3 days ? Remember "power of the cell" ? There were plenty of people who spend literally decades designing chips crapping themselves all over that PS3 is the most powerfull machine by leaps and bounds.
And then it come out and you could barely see difference.
Those were not some unknown 3rd rate developers but leads, technical directors, lead chip designers and bunch of other people which had longer track record than most of people seen words in their life.
And yet all of those people were full of shit.
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Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
A lot of your are making some pretty big assumptions in this thread. I don't know if you what's l understand how Sony's World Wide Studios operate, but it is quite possible for someone to be seconded to another studio for their specific expertise. Maybe for example someone with vast amounts of experience with vehicle physics might be beneficial to a studio working on an FPS with vehicular elements
This "research" in the OP is very superficial, I mean they haven't even looked up flight records and local electoral rolls in Amsterdam during that period to find out if he resided there for a couple of years
Either way, I wouldn't get worked up about it. This whole thing highlights the lack of quality in gaming journalism, many outlets are happy to make headlines out of comments from a podcast out of context, probably not even going to the lengths of listening to it, or reaching out to him to seek clarification. It's cheap headlines and for some reason people take these comments a bit too seriously.
I would just calm down and wait a month and you will see that both consoles are awesome
Dory16
Banned
If the "may be a top guy" like you said, I don't know why he deserves to have his name dragged in the mud in this thread. There is a guilty until proven innocent rationale here that is unhealthy especially when motivated by fanboyism and personally I am removing my self from the conversation. Thank god for the ignore thread button.
P.S: Your sensitivity is legitimate but nothing proves that Granell is deserving of it. All I have said is that it doesn't justify the character assassination being executed here and I refuse to be even remotely part of it
TBiddy
Member
Who are “you” that you are referring to?
PS. Referring to people as idiots? Calm down.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
A lot of your are making some pretty big assumptions in this thread. I don't know if you what's l understand how Sony's World Wide Studios operate, but it is quite possible for someone to be seconded to another studio for their specific expertise. Maybe for example someone with vast amounts of experience with vehicle physics might be beneficial to a studio working on an FPS with vehicular elements
If they were a coder. Sure I can see that. However a designer? Not likely.
I'm sorry but the bottom line here is that people are bending over backwards to find reasons why we should take his claims at face value, why the aversion to skepticism?
Dontero
Banned
Even if Cerny would arrive at my doors and told me personally that SSD in PS5 would actually be key difference that makes PS5 fly faster i would still call him a fraud.
You don't take at face value garbage even when it comes from person of high renown.
Good thing that Cerny doesn't even pretend that PS5 is the most powerful hardware. If he was Ken Kutaragi he would be jumping and screaming it can do 300fps at 8k with latest games.
You don't take at face value garbage even when it comes from person of high renown.
Good thing that Cerny doesn't even pretend that PS5 is the most powerful hardware. If he was Ken Kutaragi he would be jumping and screaming it can do 300fps at 8k with latest games.
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Fake
Member
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
He joined Crytek after that. Before that he was in some Iranian robotics company.Crytek dev/engineer is not mobile dev at the time as the reddit says. His last game with his name in credits released few months back :
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
Granell's Ray Tracing quote was because of XSX's CU count of 52 compared to PS5's 36. He literally explained that in the podcast and I transcribed it in the first page of that thread.Guys, the difference IS staggering.
Look, the PS5 can do about 10TF while the XSX is 12TF, locked.
12 - 10 = 2.
That's two whole extra TF to work with..! Look at what Sony could do with 1TF: Horizon: Zero Dawn. That means that XSX games will have two H:ZDs extra on every PS5 game..! That's loads! Who can say that's not a staggering difference.
Can you imagine what that would look like? Doing an XSX game on the PS5 would likely be like ports of arcade game to home systems, back in the early 90s.
To illustrate, here's the Amiga version of Street Fighter 2:
And the arcade version:
Now, these two look quite similar, but if you look closely you can see the arcade version has the edge. And that's not even in motion!
So, yes, the XSX is going to be way more powerful than the PS5.
As a bonus, here's what the C64 version of SF2 looked like. This is sort of what one could expect from a XSX game after being ported to a Lockhart (a 4TF machine):
captainraincoat
Banned
This game is a technical masterpiece of optimisation......it’s got that Cinematic 24fps feel to itCrytek dev/engineer is not mobile dev at the time as the reddit says. His last game with his name in credits released few months back :
Agnostic2020
Member
Raytracing is related to CU count as well as gpu clock. So not just one of them .
TLZ
Banned
There are janitors who work there. Doesn't mean they're knowledgeable. Also, if someone is lying about what they actually did posing as someone "who knows his stuff", they're a fraud. They lose all credibility. How do you trust such a person? If he changes his stance later and speaks ill of XSX you'll remember this.
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Agnostic2020
Member
Here is input of matt who is a dev on both ps5 and xsx and is known on RE:
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GHG
Gold Member
Considering he's a Sony fanboy and not a Real Dev™ it must be all his fault that the game has that Sony Cinematic feel across all consoles!
DynamiteCop!
Banned
Matt is part of the propaganda team which spawned the 13 Teraflop PlayStation 5 and was in cahoots with Kleegamefan.Here is input of matt who is a dev on both ps5 and xsx and is known on RE:
This whole thing is getting ridiculous, the Series X is the more capable rendering device.
sircaw
Banned
Here is input of matt who is a dev on both ps5 and xsx and is known on RE:
The last few weeks have been insufferable on these forums since the console reveals and the so called "this machine is much more powerful than the other."
At the end of the day i think most people know that the power difference is not really going to show much in terms of differences.
At the end of the day its all going to be about the games and i seriously hope Microsoft has got their shit together this generation.
Sony is a proven entity, with stellar games, i hate to think what this place is going to be like if Microsoft does not deliver on the games front, this place is going to be carnage.
Hopefully next week, we will get a glimpse of some of the treats on its way,
Fingers crossed for everyone, no matter what machine you support.
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Agnostic2020
Member
Don't fucking lie man. He said in summer 2019 xsx is stronger than ps5 by 15% . Dont fucking change history to discredit someone . He was the only person who was 100% spot on .
GHG
Gold Member
The screenshot you quoted doesn't say otherwise.
What the hell is wrong with some of you? What do you want people to say?
Yes series X, take me away with all your power, consume me. Phil Spencer I am yours, now and forever.
Dontero
Banned
All depends on existence of Lockheart. If Lockheart is a thing then PS5 is the most powerful console simply because base spec is much higher. And base spec dictates how game looks not total power.
Thirty7ven
Banned
You are a liar.
DynamiteCop!
Banned
I'm lying? Come on man.
He said one system was marginally more powerful than the other then Klee piggybacked on it continually and said it was the PlayStation 5, Matt did nothing to stop the spread and just let it run rampant. He's 100% complicit in that whole mess.
What?
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Agnostic2020
Member
Not only that he also lied about matt saying saying ps5 is 13 tf. Matt never gave a number. In summer 2019 he said xsx is more powerful than ps5 by 15% when reiner said ps5 is more powerful at e3 2019. Its still there in the next gen threadThe screenshot you quoted doesn't say otherwise.
What the hell is wrong with some of you? What do you want people to say?
Yes series X, take me away with all your power, consume me. Phil Spencer I am yours, now and forever.
Thirty7ven
Banned
He said there was 17% difference between them and if he had to guess which was more powerful then that would be the Xbox.
He has been on point since the start. These kind of lies won't be allowed to pass around here anymore.
Agnostic2020
Member
He specifically said xsx is 15% more powerful in summer 2019.what U said was a lie . I can get the quote if u like ?
DynamiteCop!
Banned
By all means, link them directly.
GHG
Gold Member
Oh yeh it's such a mess.
Thank you for running around the Internet trying to clean it up, we are all thankful for your continued dedication and service.
Agnostic2020
Member
Sure I will put the time to get them ,but u will apologise once u see he said xsx was a head by 15% in his opinion . Correct ?
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
Why do you believe a 'coder' would be any more likely to be seconded than a 'designer'. Both terms are quite loose, but designer I admit is quite a vague term and encompasses many disciplines within game development. Some design roles are artistic in their nature and some quite technical, either way a studio lacking any given resource may benefit from leveraging the skills of an employee within the same organisation that had those skills m
Anyway if pure 100% truth and first hand knowledge/experience is what is required, and any insights and opinions formed from second hand knowledge is dismissed then I doubt either of us here are qualified to discuss such matters..... which is kind of the point of this whole thread I suppose.
For what it's worth I don't expect you to take any claims at face value
Scepticism and scrutiny are healthy. But there are some assumptions and complete jumps in logic in this thread, it seems people are quite happy to just accept one random Reddit poster's 'research' when it suits them.
Like I say, everyone take a chill pill, game reveals are coming. Everyone will be happy then*
* Some people will find a reason not to be I'm sure
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xHunter
Member
He joined Crytek in December 2018. The game was released to Steam early access in February 2018 and wasnt fully released until August 2019 for PC. Plus the PS4 version, which he allegedly worked on was released in February 2020, so i think its pretty safe to assume that he worked on the game.
DynamiteCop!
Banned
Agnostic2020
Member
SleepDoctor
Banned
Great thread lol.
Goalposts moved like a muthafucker. Dude was a dev on Killzone 2 then he wasn't, now he is again. The other guy was a mobile dev and now he isn't.
Then we quoting another "insider" from era say the consoles differences will be barely noticeable after all this "muh ssd is faster for loading worlds" or whatever tf
.
Sony discord team really needs to get on the same page
Goalposts moved like a muthafucker. Dude was a dev on Killzone 2 then he wasn't, now he is again. The other guy was a mobile dev and now he isn't.
Then we quoting another "insider" from era say the consoles differences will be barely noticeable after all this "muh ssd is faster for loading worlds" or whatever tf
.Sony discord team really needs to get on the same page
FranXico
Member
No, it's not necessary to be a genius, I agree. Just really poor at basic math.
DynamiteCop!
Banned
It's just getting incredibly embarrassing that we have hard specification and yet people are still trying to debate this twaddle.Great thread lol.
Goalposts moved like a muthafucker. Dude was a dev on Killzone 2 then he wasn't, now he is again. The other guy was a mobile dev and now he isn't.
Then we quoting another "insider" from era say the consoles differences will be barely noticeable after all this "muh ssd is faster for loading worlds" or whatever tf
Sony discord team really needs to get on the same page
Dontero
Banned
If lockheart exists it will severely limit Xbox graphical output and not only it but also PS5 graphical output. At the end of the day PS5 will have some exclusives that will push hardware without looking at slower retarded 4TF brother and they will have best looking games.
IF lockheart is a thing.
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
And machine learning.
But what about Sony? If they had something like that why didnt Cerny talk about it? He barely skimmed over Ray Tracing in the spec reveal and instead focused on SSD and Audio. Microsoft dedicated a whole panel to DirectML.
DynamiteCop!
Banned
That's not how game development works, and it would be a scaling device meant to identically mirror what the Series X is doing merely at lower resolution.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Agnostic2020
Member
Next time don't lie like a fanboy to discredit someone :
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT5| - It's in RDNA
OK, just to clear this up: I did not mean to be enigmatic (in this case at least), I thought my intention was clear. If I was forced to make an educated guess on the question of the relative strength of the PS5 and NextBox, I would have to give the nod to Microsoft. And now, I’m out.
www.resetera.com
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT7| - nm
I would consider ~15% difference or less to be very close, depending on other factors of course.
www.resetera.com
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DynamiteCop!
Banned
More like a stalker that reminds you of a sociopath. You know perfectly well what happens to people when they are hung out in what might be one of the most toxic environments on the internet.
your main point is that this former Sony dev is technically inept and is basically (maybe, tihi, wink wink
) a fraud. You have done nothing but making blatant attacks on his character. When you (as a grown man, probably) use your 'feelings' as an excuse to fuck up peoples lives over the internet, then yes, your feelings become utterly irrelevant.At this point, the creepy thing is not that some people find it necessary to single out a man on a forum to berate his resume because they have trouble with his professional opinion - the puke inducing parts are the attempts to make it seem like an innocuous and noble inquiry of truth when you know perfectly well that the only aim is to fuel the console wars. If i saw three angels standing in a pool of piss in the woods wanking off each other while offering me free cocaine I wouldn't assume that they would take me to heaven.
Like, do you wan't to be a creep that stalks and doxx people on the internet or do you want to be a somewhat decent person whose soul doesn't smell like sewer? You can't have it both ways.
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Thirty7ven
Banned
Right above you. And lol at “says Xbox where” or “direct link” as if anyone would bother to photoshop that shit just to convince you.
Good lord...
DynamiteCop!
Banned
You're intersecting two different posts spanning a 7 month gap with no relation to each other, the first post is what people like Klee and Reiner ran with and Matt made no efforts to curb anything even though he's in direct contact with these people.Next time don't lie like a fanboy to discredit someone :
I'm so sick of any of this Era junk being quoted in general, it's been the most all over the place nonsense I've witnessed in damn near a decade.