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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check
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Kittehkraken
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Everyone has only just begun looking for this, you wont find much in the way of numbers on a worldwide scale. I believe it was this happening in NYC that brought it to the attention of the world.
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OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
It looks like Georgia(my neck of the woods) is falling in both cases and deaths over the last two weeks. I'm cautiously optimistic. How is it for you guys?
DeepBreath87
Banned
Yeah but it’s like this. Let’s say there’s a computer virus and the primary thing it does is delete your hard drive. Everyone is worried about it and paying close attention. This goes on for a few months with millions of people getting the virus and many drives being deleted.
Then after months, a comparatively insignificant number people report their computers caught fire but this somehow went unreported all this time. Would you consider that a real concern or would you think that in the grand scheme it is relatively minor?
I wouldn’t dispute that this is real or anything. I would just say this is not something the general public needs to be concerned about. It’s more a thing pediatricians need to look for.
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Omega Supreme Holopsicon
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For now, this thing is out in the wild and mutating rapidly. It already has massive permanent damage in a fraction of survivors. It is worrisome that it could mutate for the worse.
That's the kind of stuff I worry about, at first it almost did not affect anyone under 60. But it might be changing, that's if it was caused by covid.
I guess that depends on how clustered they were, if it is distributed throughout a large area it is rare, if most cases are within a small area it could be a new more lethal strain.
We need even more data, it might be throughout NYC or perhaps clustered in a small region of NYC suggesting a new strain.
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synchronicity
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My ex-wife has a hair salon, and she has been forced to travel to clients houses in order to maintain some of her business as best as possible through all this. But yeah, I need a haircut too, lol. I don't want her touching me
but I may let her cut my hair.
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Stouffers
Banned
Does she offer full service?My ex-wife has a hair salon, and she has been forced to travel to clients houses in order to maintain some of her business as best as possible through all this. But yeah, I need a haircut too, lol. I don't want her touching me
synchronicity
Member
DeepBreath87
Banned
You should do some reading on viral mutation. These concerns aren’t really grounded in reality. Viruses generally mutated to become much less dangerous over time. Read up on it if it’s something you’re genuinely concerned about. This multi system inflammatory response is seen with other viruses and is a result of immune system response in select people.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
Few things I've about this situation.
1. We took a lot of things for granted
2. Our governors have shown their true colors
3. This virus is probably is as deadly as I thought
4. No more Dems/Repubs. Just you're either for re-opening or Stay inside/save lives
5. People are dying indoors.
1. We took a lot of things for granted
2. Our governors have shown their true colors
3. This virus is probably is as deadly as I thought
4. No more Dems/Repubs. Just you're either for re-opening or Stay inside/save lives
5. People are dying indoors.
Omega Supreme Holopsicon
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generally but not always. Already they said there was a newer strain in europe that was potentially more deadly. This virus has asymptomatic transmission for long periods of incubation. Edit: As is it is more infectious than the flu and also deadlier than the flu and not just seasonal but likely year round as it can spread not just in cold but in hot climates.
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Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
Anime and comic book Conventions are canceled for the rest of the year. -sigh-
Hard to cope.
Hard to cope.
DeepBreath87
Banned
Read what you wrote. “They” said there was a new strain in Europe that is “potentially” more deadly? Who is they? What makes it potentially more deadly as opposed to actually more deadly? This is the kind of rumor mill nonsense that causes nothing but irrational fear. I hope you’re not one of the people going on and on about believing in science.
You’re going to have to back that up with something better than a blog post.
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ManaByte
Gold Member
Michael Bay is producing a COVID movie that begins shooting in July based on the idea that the lockdowns will last 2 years:
deadline.com
Adam Goodman & Michael Bay Team On Pandemic-Themed Thriller ‘Songbird;’ Production Starts In Five Weeks
Adam Goodman & Michael Bay Team On Lockdown-Themed Thriller 'Songbird;' Production Starts In Five Weeks
deadline.com
xellos2099alpha
Member
Go to Bed, Joker.
diffusionx
Gold Member
At least some good has come from this
Plague Doctor
Member
Why must you endager all of humanity? Have you no shame! Stay in your room and complain about people who want to leave their houses like a responsible person.
(Man I need a haircut)
Leyasu
Banned
I have to agree with this.
JordanN
Banned
Got a chance to speak with my dad again, and while he still keeps recovering, his doctor tells him he cannot go back to work until all his symptoms are gone.
I haven't even asked what my mom will do but I'm assuming she isn't returning to work yet either. Can't blame her since the Retirement homes are the death traps for this stuff.
I also saw the army was there.
I haven't even asked what my mom will do but I'm assuming she isn't returning to work yet either. Can't blame her since the Retirement homes are the death traps for this stuff.
I also saw the army was there.
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Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
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Petey-o
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Lmao
Starlight Lotice
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hariseldon
Unconfirmed Member
Let’s just say more bad things happen in Wales. Hygiene in some hospitals is very poor, fairly basic operations go awry far more than elsewhere in the uk, etc. Something is deeply structurally wrong in the Welsh NHS.Why? Full of Attractive Sheep?
Joking aside, why is that?
Starlight Lotice
Member
Wow, I never knew that!?! We used to go to Holiday there when I was young as we were poor, and you usually hear that their waiting times are the best in the UK.
Seems that being speedy doesn't mean a better service.
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hariseldon
Unconfirmed Member
Low population and subsidisation from England probably accounts for that, but money it seems can’t buy doctors with skill, nurses not infected with MRSA, cleaners who actually clean...
Chittagong
Gold Member
Michael Bay is producing a COVID movie that begins shooting in July based on the idea that the lockdowns will last 2 years:
Adam Goodman & Michael Bay Team On Pandemic-Themed Thriller ‘Songbird;’ Production Starts In Five Weeks
Adam Goodman & Michael Bay Team On Lockdown-Themed Thriller 'Songbird;' Production Starts In Five Weeks
yo dawg...
I heard u like pandemics, so imma shoot a film about a pandemic during a pandemic so that you can watch a lockdown while in a lockdown
Starlight Lotice
Member
Good point. Perhaps they need to offer the positions to better Doctors with a little more money to move there to improve the situation. I always expected there to be standards across all NHS groups to be honest.
Although, quite related but....I feel like the NHS let one of my family members down as they messed up Cancer treatment and never admitted their mistake, so although I clap for the NHS in general, I sometimes don't like how they do things when they fuck up.
sevoro
Member
I think he's just pissed at the reporters taking off their masks.
Also if anyone wants a reason for wearing a mask, you may be asymptomatic and infect other people. Keyword is "may". In this case the point of wearing a mask is to reduce the risk of the virus spreading. I have no idea about the gun comment though as I am not an American, that one makes no sense to me as a retort.
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah, at best, it should be "wear a mask even if you don't know if you need one."
Omega Supreme Holopsicon
Member
Seems it is not known if it is deadlier just that it was more contagious
Scientists say a now-dominant strain of the coronavirus could be more contagious than original
A mutation in the novel coronavirus has led to a new strain viewed as more contagious than the virus that emerged from China, according to a new study.
www.latimes.com
Meowzers
Member
I watched that film again about the week before we closed down in the UK.
Such accuracy, it's unreal.
ManaByte
Gold Member
'I Can't Believe Christians Think It's Safe To Go Back To Church,' Says Woman In Line At Walmart
AUSTIN, TX—Local woman Heather Karenson told her fellow Walmart shoppers Tuesday that she can't believe some churches and small businesses think it's safe to reopen already.
babylonbee.com
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
DeepBreath87
Banned
So if you read that article, it essentially says that the supposed mutation occurred in February in Europe and that strain of the virus is the one we’ve been dealing with in the US this whole time.Seems it is not known if it is deadlier just that it was more contagious
Scientists say a now-dominant strain of the coronavirus could be more contagious than original
A mutation in the novel coronavirus has led to a new strain viewed as more contagious than the virus that emerged from China, according to a new study.
It’s also from what is basically a forum for researchers. So it’s not published, much less peer reviewed. I’m not saying there’s no truth in it, but it’s important to not get frightened by every “sky is falling” article you read.
ManaByte
Gold Member
The LA Times is such a garbage paper they can’t even afford to have their offices in Los Angeles.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
Get this, I saw the same story come out in Florida.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Apparently some restaurants and businesses started charging a covid tax.
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Romulus
Member
I own a couple concession stands and a guy that works one of them keeps asking to open up. It's legal to do so. I basically told him he can at his own discretion. I don't feel great about it because he'll be working in high traffic areas. He told me he knew the risk and he didn't have a choice.
Anyone have any ideas how I can keep him as safe as possible? I bought masks, sanitizer. He's always had gloves.
Anyone have any ideas how I can keep him as safe as possible? I bought masks, sanitizer. He's always had gloves.
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hariseldon
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A perspex screen and contactless payment are the biggies - the other one is to have other people wear a mask, but beyond that the options are limited.
The Scrivener
Member
Am I reading this right?
If I am, be careful mate.
An aside, sorry, but Golf With Your Friends has come to Game Pass this week. I'm kinda enjoying this commie lifestyle, maybe Marx was right?
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longdi
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BEIJING (BLOOMBERG) - Chinese doctors are seeing the coronavirus manifest differently among patients in its new cluster of cases in the north-east region compared to the original outbreak in Wuhan, suggesting that the pathogen may be changing in unknown ways and complicating efforts to stamp it out.
Patients found in the northern provinces of Jilin and Heilongjiang appear to carry the virus for a longer period of time and take longer to recover, as defined by a negative nucleic acid test, Dr Qiu Haibo, one of China's top critical care doctors, told state television on Tuesday (May 19).
Cases in the north-east also appear to be taking longer than the one to two weeks observed in Wuhan to develop symptoms after infection, and this delayed onset is making it harder for authorities to catch cases before they spread, said Dr Qiu, who is now in the northern region treating patients.
"The longer period during which infected patients show no symptoms has created clusters of family infections," said Dr Qiu, who was earlier sent to Wuhan to help in the original outbreak.
Some 46 cases have been reported over the past two weeks spread across three cities - Shulan, Jilin city and Shengyang - in two provinces, a resurgence of infection that sparked renewed lockdown measures over a region of 100 million people.
Scientists still do not fully understand if the virus is changing in significant ways and the differences Chinese doctors are seeing could be due to the fact that they're able to observe patients more thoroughly and from an earlier stage than in Wuhan.
When the outbreak first exploded in the central Chinese city, the local healthcare system was so overwhelmed that only the most serious cases were being treated. The north-east cluster is also far smaller than Hubei's outbreak, which ultimately sickened over 68,000 people.
Still, the findings suggest that the remaining uncertainty over how the virus manifests will hinder governments' efforts to curb its spread and re-open their battered economies. China has one of the most comprehensive virus detection and testing regimes globally, and yet is still struggling to contain its new cluster.
Researchers worldwide are trying to ascertain if the virus is mutating in a significant way to become more contagious as it races through the human population, but early research suggesting this possibility has been criticised for being overblown.
NORTH-EAST DIFFERENCES
Dr Qiu said that doctors have also noticed patients in the north-east cluster seem to have damage mostly in their lungs, whereas patients in Wuhan suffered multi-organ damage across the heart, kidney and gut.
Officials now believe that the new cluster stemmed from contact with infected arrivals from Russia, which has one of the worst outbreaks in Europe. Genetic sequencing has showed a match between the north-east cases and Russian-linked ones, said Dr Qiu.
Among the north-east cluster, only 10 per cent have turned critical and 26 are hospitalised.
China is moving aggressively to stem the spread of the new cluster ahead of its annual political gathering in Beijing scheduled to start this week. As thousands of delegates stream into the capital to endorse the government's agenda, China's central leadership is determined to project stability and control.
The north-east provinces have ordered a return of lockdown measures, halting train services, closing schools and sealing off residential compounds, dismaying residents who had thought the worst was over.
"People should not assume the peak has passed or let down their guard," Dr Wu Anhua, a senior infectious disease doctor, said on state television on Tuesday. "It's totally possible that the epidemic will last for a long time."
at least China is back to taking draconian lockdown measures!
DeepBreath87
Banned
Yeah if only they’d done this in December instead of spouting a bunch of bullshit about the disease not being contagious while they allowed a few million people to fly internationally out of Wuhan. Then maybe the world wouldn’t be in the shit mess it’s in. So yeah. Good on China. Way to go.
BEIJING (BLOOMBERG) - Chinese doctors are seeing the coronavirus manifest differently among patients in its new cluster of cases in the north-east region compared to the original outbreak in Wuhan, suggesting that the pathogen may be changing in unknown ways and complicating efforts to stamp it out.
Patients found in the northern provinces of Jilin and Heilongjiang appear to carry the virus for a longer period of time and take longer to recover, as defined by a negative nucleic acid test, Dr Qiu Haibo, one of China's top critical care doctors, told state television on Tuesday (May 19).
Cases in the north-east also appear to be taking longer than the one to two weeks observed in Wuhan to develop symptoms after infection, and this delayed onset is making it harder for authorities to catch cases before they spread, said Dr Qiu, who is now in the northern region treating patients.
"The longer period during which infected patients show no symptoms has created clusters of family infections," said Dr Qiu, who was earlier sent to Wuhan to help in the original outbreak.
Some 46 cases have been reported over the past two weeks spread across three cities - Shulan, Jilin city and Shengyang - in two provinces, a resurgence of infection that sparked renewed lockdown measures over a region of 100 million people.
Scientists still do not fully understand if the virus is changing in significant ways and the differences Chinese doctors are seeing could be due to the fact that they're able to observe patients more thoroughly and from an earlier stage than in Wuhan.
When the outbreak first exploded in the central Chinese city, the local healthcare system was so overwhelmed that only the most serious cases were being treated. The north-east cluster is also far smaller than Hubei's outbreak, which ultimately sickened over 68,000 people.
Still, the findings suggest that the remaining uncertainty over how the virus manifests will hinder governments' efforts to curb its spread and re-open their battered economies. China has one of the most comprehensive virus detection and testing regimes globally, and yet is still struggling to contain its new cluster.
Researchers worldwide are trying to ascertain if the virus is mutating in a significant way to become more contagious as it races through the human population, but early research suggesting this possibility has been criticised for being overblown.
NORTH-EAST DIFFERENCES
Dr Qiu said that doctors have also noticed patients in the north-east cluster seem to have damage mostly in their lungs, whereas patients in Wuhan suffered multi-organ damage across the heart, kidney and gut.
Officials now believe that the new cluster stemmed from contact with infected arrivals from Russia, which has one of the worst outbreaks in Europe. Genetic sequencing has showed a match between the north-east cases and Russian-linked ones, said Dr Qiu.
Among the north-east cluster, only 10 per cent have turned critical and 26 are hospitalised.
China is moving aggressively to stem the spread of the new cluster ahead of its annual political gathering in Beijing scheduled to start this week. As thousands of delegates stream into the capital to endorse the government's agenda, China's central leadership is determined to project stability and control.
The north-east provinces have ordered a return of lockdown measures, halting train services, closing schools and sealing off residential compounds, dismaying residents who had thought the worst was over.
"People should not assume the peak has passed or let down their guard," Dr Wu Anhua, a senior infectious disease doctor, said on state television on Tuesday. "It's totally possible that the epidemic will last for a long time."
at least China is back to taking draconian lockdown measures!
As for the virus being “different”, I think I’ll wait for a country I respect to tell me of any significant changes or mutations to the virus. Forgive if I’m skeptical of the place that said people couldn’t give this to each other at all in the middle of fucking January.
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Dunedain_Ranger
Member
This is great
Ornlu
Banned
You haven't had to deal with dumb mask policies? Lucky you. I'm currently forced to wear a mask at work while:
1. Operating a CNC machine while nobody is nearby
2. Calling customers from my desk with nobody nearby, cuz, ya know...don't wanna get our customers sick by breathing thru the phone, amirite?
Shit isn't doing anything besides annoying me.
Much logic, many safe.
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