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Sony teases instantaneous open world gaming with PlayStation 5's SSD
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Tripolygon
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Showing a lack of understanding what CPU and GPU do. CPUs and GPUs load and process data. Storage stores data. When a CPU needs data, it loads the data from the storage into memory before processing it.
His statement was quite very clear. There is no room to misinterpret it or claim it was a misspelling or misunderstanding. The only misunderstanding here is you and your having "fun".
It is very very clear they are talking about data processing, not graphics processing but the speed at which data can be moved from storage and processed. It is 100X faster on PS5 when compared to PS4.
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vivftp
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Sony, nor anyone else ever said anything about games looking and running 100x better. Stumbling into a thread about one thing (~100x data processing speeds) and complaining about some made-up stat you created isn't a good look.
There will be plenty of 30 FPS and 60 FPS games next gen. There will also be plenty of games that aim for native 4K and ones that will use reconstruction techniques to hit 4K, and the resolution difference will be imperceptible to all but the pixel peepers in most cases.
Thabass
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It's weird because some of the best games have come out in these era alone:
BOTW
Horizon Zero Dawn
The Witcher 3
FFVII Remake (surprising, I know)
Assassins Creed Odyssey
MGSV (the story sucked but, the gameplay was the best in the series)
Hotline Miami
Celeste
These are just to name a very small chunk off the top of my head. I'm sure a lot of you have more you could add.
anthraticus
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Looks like their marketing is working well on ppl.
LittleBusters
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Sony has a narrative for their power increase, XBox doesn't.
FranXico
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Judging from the reactions to this thread, I agree. Microsoft's aggressive marketing feeding off tribalism is remarkably effective.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
What is wrong with you people?!
JareBear: Remastered
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Hmmm, maybe. I think one could argue that MS does have a narrative. Their GPU power/advantage has to count for something, right? I just think Sony has been a lot more clever with their narrative/marketing their advantage so far. They've been patient, they haven't knee-jerk reacted to anything, they let a third party (Epic) be the first to show off something truly next-gen running on the PS5. That's all pretty smart, IMO.
I think MS has a narrative though. It has a lot of power. MS needs to start building upon that foundation though, sooner than later.
ExpandKong
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Is anyone else slightly alarmed that Sony is foisting upon us yet another (mostly) proprietary storage solution but we’re all somehow eating it up this time? 
Tripolygon
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M.2 NVMe is not a proprietary interface.Is anyone else slightly alarmed that Sony is foisting upon us yet another (mostly) proprietary storage solution but we’re all somehow eating it up this time?
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JareBear: Remastered
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Is anyone else slightly alarmed that Sony is foisting upon us yet another (mostly) proprietary storage solution but we’re all somehow eating it up this time?
You'll be able to buy compatible SSDs from different brands off the shelf. Just gotta make sure the SSD matches the requirements for the PS5. Hopefully compatible drives will be available at launch or near launch, from what I understand they aren't out in the wild yet.
Are you referring to the meme thread? I think the point of that thread was/is to keep it all contained in one place and not spilling over into every next gen related thread, which seems to have worked for the most part. There is plenty of meme'ing in the Speculation OT too, everything seems alright/fair?
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cormack12
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Sethbacca
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I've barely touched games like GTA and RDR because the wait to load them is fucking awful on console and they're generally the type of games I prefer to play on my TV instead of my PC. If nothing else, certain games will at least not put me off from playing them by virtue of the sheer load time involved in starting a game when I just want to play.
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Well it's not working because every PS5 thread get flooded with trolls
JareBear: Remastered
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And here is the quote from the article
I didn't realize it had been changed, thought it was a different thread that I forgot I had replied to
Changed it to a less clickbaity title, and put the article that did not omit his full quote in the forefront.
As for trolls, report them.
So a thread called "PlayStation 5 Is 100 Times Faster Than PS4, Says Sony" is click bait but a thread called "Xbox Game Pass is five times more popular than PlayStation Now" isn't?
Like if I make a thread about PS5 I/O it gets trolled & locked but the Xbox I/O thread stands the test of time
oldergamer
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Agree on your first point, but not the second point. The reason it might get locked is because there's 20 or 30 threads started about PS5 SSD, many of them were troll threads without any actual info.
DeepEnigma
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Ex-dev. For good reason me thinks.
MasterCornholio
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Showing a lack of understanding what CPU and GPU do. CPUs and GPUs load and process data. Storage stores data. When a CPU needs data, it loads the data from the storage into memory before processing it.
His statement was quite very clear. There is no room to misinterpret it or claim it was a misspelling or misunderstanding. The only misunderstanding here is you and your having "fun".
It is very very clear they are talking about data processing, not graphics processing but the speed at which data can be moved from storage and processed. It is 100X faster on PS5 when compared to PS4.
That's helped me alot. Thank you for that.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
i dont see why anyone would report either thread as clickbait. both are accurate, this is a direct quote from a Sony's CEO. just because someone got triggered by the truth doesnt mean we have to appease them. they need to grow a pair.Nobody reported the GamePass one as clickbait.
just my two cents.
Nobody reported the GamePass one as clickbait.
Because there isn't a group of PS5 fans huddled up in one place planning attacks on any & everything that paints Xbox in a good light.
MasterCornholio
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Proof?
JLB
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Nah, neither MS or Sony will have any issues on that regard.
Tripolygon
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Cheers!!!!
JareBear: Remastered
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JareBear: Remastered
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There are dozens of “PS5 SSD” threads. There is one XsX velocity architecture thread
Goliathy’s “UE5 demo is 1440p on PS5” seemed to get reported and locked with the quickness. I don’t see how you could say there’s something working against Sony here
let’s not forget stuff like the “PS5 is going to have better graphics“ thread that pure biased speculation
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oldergamer
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is that before or after you breathe a sigh of relief from your huddle break?
Ask any mod have I ever reported a thread or post & ask any member have they ever got any messages from me about another member
Endless Fluff
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It would be really nice to see 2-4 seconds loading times for next gen games, but I believe it when I see it.
Random reads of SSDs are not in the GB/s range, so if a game needs to load 5GB of small assets then we'll still see loading screens.
Random reads of SSDs are not in the GB/s range, so if a game needs to load 5GB of small assets then we'll still see loading screens.
Not that I recall. We are not completely ignorant to the underlying meta of "cliques" that form, and come & go in targeted waves.
Psykodad
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Reporting is petty childish shit by default.
ZywyPL
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Showing a lack of understanding what CPU and GPU do. CPUs and GPUs load and process data. Storage stores data. When a CPU needs data, it loads the data from the storage into memory before processing it.
His statement was quite very clear. There is no room to misinterpret it or claim it was a misspelling or misunderstanding. The only misunderstanding here is you and your having "fun".
It is very very clear they are talking about data processing, not graphics processing but the speed at which data can be moved from storage and processed. It is 100X faster on PS5 when compared to PS4.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't vast majority of people here wanted from next-gen games advanced AI, advanced physics, advanced destruction, advanced interactions etc. not so long ago? Things the SSD cannot help with? I thought people didn't want pretty looking but empty and dead worlds all over again?
And once the SSD hype took off some people brought up genuine concerns that if you stream the assets on the fly they will be static, non-interactive ones, or the GPU won't be even able to show all the details, and well, the UE5 showed that's exactly the case...
So I don't know, maybe at the end of the day that's what people truly want, pretty pixels and nothing more. Well I know I don't, I want to see another technical jump comparable to HL2 and Crysis, and that's not what SSD can help to achieve. We will see in the upcoming months how it plays out, there are some devs who did marvelous things on PS3/X360 but the Jaguar cut their wings this gen, but I believe they can deliver what I personally consider as true "next-gen".
M1chl
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I am sorry call me old fashioned, boomer, etc. But if anything teasing capabilities of HW on open world, is something I DO NOT WANT to hear. Because Open World games reaching for a long time limitation on human side, because even something which takes literally thousands of people building for years is still the same barren wasteland like the other games. I fear open-world games more than MP games, when it comes to popularity.
Was is so fucking hard to create Codemned: CO or fucking Darkness? If you want something more "high-end" of the gaming, what about fucking Max Payne III.... nobody? Yeah well it's just me then. Most of ten then not open-world games are terrible lonesome experience.
After all, the best open world games of this gen is Infamous Second Son. So might say it's rather simplistic, but fuck that. I don't need anything bigger. Saints row's does it right and I have The Third Pre-ordered and ready to go, to eat my fucking 'memberries, how awesome it was when people were constrained by power. Sound stupid? Well then give me something like Control...give me physics, give me fun. Not something you are going to boast about how big of a world you have there. Or...
Well, incidentally, Just Cause 2 is one of my favorite games ever and well I could not even handle JC4 for more than couple hours.
Was is so fucking hard to create Codemned: CO or fucking Darkness? If you want something more "high-end" of the gaming, what about fucking Max Payne III.... nobody? Yeah well it's just me then. Most of ten then not open-world games are terrible lonesome experience.
After all, the best open world games of this gen is Infamous Second Son. So might say it's rather simplistic, but fuck that. I don't need anything bigger. Saints row's does it right and I have The Third Pre-ordered and ready to go, to eat my fucking 'memberries, how awesome it was when people were constrained by power. Sound stupid? Well then give me something like Control...give me physics, give me fun. Not something you are going to boast about how big of a world you have there. Or...
Well, incidentally, Just Cause 2 is one of my favorite games ever and well I could not even handle JC4 for more than couple hours.
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Yoboman
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I hated the idea of a proprietary storage moments ago but now I love it! Thank you MSM.2 NVMe is not a proprietary interface.
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darkinstinct
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"in almost an instant" != instantaneous
The_Mike
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Do you know who? That is just plain stupid we literally had open world games every generation, why shouldn't it be possible with the next?
Tripolygon
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Faster storage helps in everything. The faster you can move a lot of data, the faster you can work on it that is why bandwidth keeps increasing. 8 core 16 thread Zen 2 CPU in next gen consoles offer those opportunities for advanced AI, advanced physics, advanced destruction, advanced interactions etc. Next gen consoles have more than 5x CPU performance increase. Also people wanted faster loading times. Developers also wanted a move from HDD to SSD because that offers more possibilities for game design not possible on current gen, even though most thought it wouldn't be possible at first. The faster you can move a lot of data also means the less data you have parked in RAM waiting to be used.
There is no genuine concern. Games stream in assets on the fly currently. During that demo didn't you see the world crumbling when the character was flying through it?
Next gen consoles have 3.5+GHz 8 core 16 thread Zen 2 CPU. That is a proper generational leap that allows for vastly more advanced physics and A.I, animation and vastly more interactive world. But it is up to developers now to make it happen.
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Andodalf
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The question is in regards to deformation. When a rock falls it’s the same rock just moving in space. Same shape and whatnot, just moving in the scene. Destruction is just multiple unchanging models that looked like the one whole model, no real change happens to any one model. Their tech would need to work differently for things that need to move, such as the player model, or foliage, which is why they demo didn’t focus on those things
Tripolygon
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That's a whole different discussion not in the purview of this thread. If you want to discuss Unreal Engine 5, tag me in a discussion in that thread.
edit: There is a lot we don't know about Unreal Engine 5. The demo says they use their chaos physics engine which uses pre-fractured geometry with rigid body physics applied. That's how almost every game does it. They have not said if Nanite only applies to static geometry only and cannot be applied to objects that are dynamic. Even if that is true, that does not mean they cannot use a combination of different techs to achieve a world that uses Nanite for static geometry and something else for dynamic bodies.
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DeepEnigma
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And it’ll still load 100 times faster than if those very same textures/assets were on the current gen consoles.