THE:MILKMAN
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If they really want to make a big Twitter splash then they could just Tweet $399. That would get Sony's attention, right?
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Bogroll
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Isn't just it just like when those PS4 guys swapped games and took the piss out of Xbox.
And it is the truth, so people should just take it on the chin, after all TF don't matter, SSD, Ureal 5 Demo etc.
Try and look at it from the neutral point.
It’s called competition. Whether you like the style or not. And pr always seems to be right at the edge of lies for most corporations.
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Deleted member 775630
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Great news, but Microsoft was always ahead of Sony when it came to backwards compatibility so this isn't really a surprise.
geordiemp
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I think MS needs to show 2 things
1. Fast loading of XSX and cut the crap, 5 GB in 1 second no excuses
2. Fast streaming of high quality assets
Otherwise XSX will be a beast of last gen rendering and assets and stuff looking like it does on ps4 and xb1 with more resolution and frames and a few shiny bits - and thats about it.
Sony have shown
1. Spiderman loading in under a second
2. UE5 demo showing mega streaming stupidly high assets.
Its MS Time to show....something - and cut the marketing bullshit.
1. Fast loading of XSX and cut the crap, 5 GB in 1 second no excuses
2. Fast streaming of high quality assets
Otherwise XSX will be a beast of last gen rendering and assets and stuff looking like it does on ps4 and xb1 with more resolution and frames and a few shiny bits - and thats about it.
Sony have shown
1. Spiderman loading in under a second
2. UE5 demo showing mega streaming stupidly high assets.
Its MS Time to show....something - and cut the marketing bullshit.
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Gediminas
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i see nothing about him decent.
dr guildo
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This is basically the problem, one looking at the past, whilst the other looking at the future.
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Three Jackdaws
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He's right, don't get me wrong, but he literally copied what Coreteks said, even used the same references lol
Agnostic2020
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They dont really need to match sony though. They need to show good looking compelling games .they have their own powerful hardwrae that needs good looking next gen games .thats all tbh
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sircaw
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This tells me ps5 news is soon
Holly Moly is that really from Microsoft.
That's beyond a cheap shot from them.
I expect better.
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Because they deliver a better BC experience?
Yeah ok...I agree, not sure why they are waiting so long. Of course it's a lot of time before the release of these consoles and they might not want to jump the gun with their games OR they haven't got anything remotely as impressive to show like the UE5 demo.
geordiemp
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We have only seen 1 generational leap so far, that is the UE5 demo on ps5. Thats it, full stop, the end, nothing comes close.
We need to see some more examples.
Agnostic2020
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Exactly. They both need to start dropping our jaws more
DaGwaphics
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How do render time performance enhancements (SFS, VRS, BCPack, etc.) improve a ram dump? How is the dump processed? what decisions are being made regarding what is being stored and what is being thrown away? How long does it take for the system to spin up the correct OS and hypervisor for the game selected? How much does the simultaneous dump of the current instance effect the speed of loading the next?
Thirty7ven
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I am looking at it from a neutral standpoint. I am purely analyzing the way they message and market.
You're talking about this:
This video of Yoshida is funny, it answered a question everybody was making back then and makes no reference of the competition (wee see it in an ironic way). That's why it got almost 20 million views.
What I'm referencing in the Xbox Tweet is neither. It's bitter, it doesn't answer a question that people were making, and makes a reference to the competition (unless downclocking or boost mode were ever used in Xbox??).
It's very different.
geordiemp
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Because they deliver a better BC experience?
I agree, not sure why they are waiting so long. Of course it's a lot of time before the release of these consoles and they might not want to jump the gun with their games OR they haven't got anything remotely as impressive to show like the UE5 demo.
They dont need a UE5 demo, just show 5 GB of game loading in 1 seconds, done, Can be anything at all, and most people will accept it is CAPABLE.
Not the dump, just the loading. Or show anything loading in 1 second for 5 GB,
anything.
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Agnostic2020
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While we are at it whats the most compatible console ever ??
doesn't even make sense haha
Radical_3d
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This tells me ps5 news is soon
This is just shameful.
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Actually to turn the ship now they need to show launch games that are more impressive on the XSX than anything on the PS5. I don't think people want to look at demo's or tech stuff anymore. Just show games.
The one with the biggest library? Just guessing.While we are at it whats the most compatible console ever ??
Bogroll
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Hey none of that from both sides is my cup of tea at all, but i'm sure its funny to some.
geordiemp
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Some want to know when next gen engines come out (like UE5) the XSX can play strongly or will it be a down graded experience.
Its not hard to figure out, read any message board for last 2 weeks.
BadBreathOfTheWild
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They’ve got to jump on everything, all that matters is results. Recent politics demonstrates that.
In this case they’re relying on people mistakenly associating PS5’s fixed power strategy with PC Turbo Boost modes, helped by Cerny using word Boost, and most laypeople associating clock-speed with work done, rather than power-draw and therefore heat as Prime95 will quickly tell you.
It’s a bit cheap and underhanded, but it’s also aggressive and Microsoft need to make big inroads this generation or I think they’ll move entirely to streaming to compete with Stadia and Amazon’s offering.
Won’t be the first time they’ve thrown the towel in on some market they’ve tried to break into.
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Sure, I get that. But I would rather have the best actual gaming experience than having an impressive demo. If they would come out with something similar now, what does that show you? Only that both systems are very similar, while they want to show you their system is much better. I just hope they don't want to wait until July to show us something, and make use of their June event.
icerock
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Juvenile messaging aside, give MS their due credit. They have invested a lot in their BC program and the results are fantastic which should be appreciable.
Sony have tremendous amount of resources at their disposal, no reason for them to not show a similar level of commitment.
Sony have tremendous amount of resources at their disposal, no reason for them to not show a similar level of commitment.
Bogroll
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And even if they did drop out of consoles after XSX they would have been in the space 23 years plus, that's more than Sega home console. I'd hardly put it in the same field as Zune, Lumia or MiniDisc.
DaGwaphics
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The loading of the previous instance is directly tied to the simultaneous dump of the current instance, there is no way to separate the two in the fast switching scenario they demonstrated. If you came in clean and were just restoring an instance with nothing running, things would likely be a bit faster. But this still wouldn't be a raw file read, it's possible that some parts of the memory that were not retained in the dump need to be rebuilt in real time before game play starts.
They've already released their SSD specifications, they can only get 2.4GB/s off the drive. You can run decompression and increase the amount of data you put into ram, but you can't change the actual amount of data you can move from the disk. Their drive is rated at 2.4GB/s, that's still quite fast in comparison to what has been around.
How do you judge someone so defiantly you’ve never met lol
dr guildo
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Because they deliver a better BC experience?
I agree, not sure why they are waiting so long. Of course it's a lot of time before the release of these consoles and they might not want to jump the gun with their games OR they haven't got anything remotely as impressive to show like the UE5 demo.
Have they killed their exclusives as Sony has ? Since PS1, exclusives evolved so many times on PS. Halo is still here since the first MS console. Sign that they are focused on the past. The day they will kill Halo, will mark the day MS has grown up.
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kensama
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To long to slow, you know: "no loadings screens and boot within 1 Second"
old-gen intro is to slow/long for the Speedstation 5
For game!
but nothing prevents to do it for the console start as Microsoft did it for XsX
Gediminas
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if you asking me that, first ask milkman why he says that he is decent? it goes both ways. especially in this forum with human experts
Agnostic2020
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Guys no one explained . Whats the most compatible ever?
Doesn't even make sense
Doesn't even make sense
IntentionalPun
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Oh please... lol
If that makes no reference to the competition than either does the XBox tweet.
That Sony video was corny and ridiculously hypocritical considering at the time it was filmed Sony was the only 1st party doing "online passes" that made trading/buying used games a pain in the ass.
It all sucks; PR should be ignored... good PR bad PR.. it's people that have little to do with the tech sitting around trying to use psychology on people. Focus on specs/the actual products. People criticizing Sony/MS is what brought us their better decisions.. Sony the kings of DRM backing off of DRM.. MS cancelling their DRM and becoming far more pro-consumer, etc. Slobbing their nobs never got anyone anywhere, so stop praising one companies PR over another.
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Yakuzakazuya
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It's gotten to a point that if Sony's first party isn't up to UE5 demo quality I'd be a little disappointed LOL.
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You mean like titles such as Gran Turismo and Uncharted? You don't need to kill your franchises if they are still good... Do you expect the same from Elder's Scroll or GTA?
The biggest library.Guys no one explained . Whats the most compatible ever?
Doesn't even make sense
ThaMonkeyClaw
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Guys no one explained . Whats the most compatible ever?
Doesn't even make sense
It's like having the most rolliest car ever...
SlimySnake
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This tells me ps5 news is soon
absolutely fucking shameful. that ps4 used game sharing video scarred them for life. at least that was funny. this is so petty. its been 7 years, move the fuck on.
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Knitted Knight
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This tells me ps5 news is soon
Damn... someone should tell Phill Googgle's Stadia and Amazon got no boost mode.
But for real tho... at least whomever handles that twitter account knows who they're competing against. No fake BS.
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Thirty7ven
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You’re wrong and that’s all there is to it. You won’t find a single reference to the competition in the Yoshida video.
It’s also clear you pay no attention to message, and probably have no feel for how to message in the first place.
I can tell you Yoshida’s video is about how it works(positive) instead of about how it doesn’t work(negative).
Yeah I know PR is PR. Thank you for that lesson.
keram
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This tells me ps5 news is soon
The next-gen power of dreams of the Xbox Series X for thousands of last-gen, last-last-gen and last-last-last-gen games ready at launch!FIXED
yewles1
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Speaking of which, does anyone think some ML was added to the TAAU to give the UE5 demo SUCH A CLEAN IQ that even DF was problems pixel counting?
I want to know the PS5 won't down clock under heavy load and down grade the experience with stutters. We have no clue what profile any developers kit demo runs on that does not equal retail and throttling on the PS5.
THE:MILKMAN
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if you asking me that, first ask milkman why he says that he is decent? it goes both ways. especially in this forum with human experts
I'm just judging him on how he comes across on interviews. He talks about the industry as a whole a lot and making it better for everyone. That type of thing.
The only bad point is when he confirms he watches the RDX podcast and doesn't ask them to calm things down!
saintjules
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
The article that went along with the Xbox tweet describes that every game runs at the full clocks of the XSX; there is no "legacy mode" running BC games at last-gen speeds.. it's all next-gen speeds. It's promoting a positive aspect of XSX.
It's exactly the same thing.. "Our product does this (positive)" with a "nudge nudge wink wink the other product doesn't (negative)."
Neither directly references the competition but both obviously are poking fun at the other.
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Audiophile
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Fudged it..!
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
yep. thats why ive never bought Phil's good guy persona. hes out there tweeting timdog and other toxic gamers while singing kumbaya with Shu and pretending to be pro consumers. it was hilarious to see him put Sony execs on the spot for fortnite crossplay while forcing xbox owners to buy XBL Gold subs for F2P games. So he gets access to the 110 million PS4 userbase for free while literally gating his own userbase.
Which is it crying they abandon to quick or no x series exclusives because of xbox one support this fall my neck hurts from the back and forth. Really make your minds people.
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