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[Snowdonhoffen]

In this case, do publishers/devs have to account for legal issues ?

They would market the game in new hardware, but when gamers see half the enemies (or even by your example, not able to fly), simply cause its old hardware, this will surely bring lawsuits.

And I am sure devs will want both hardwares to have similar gaming experiences.

So, Case 2 is much more likely.

Honestly I don't know. The worst case of a cross gen game I can remember is Black Ops 3. In addition to the very noticeable graphical downgrade they cut out the entire single player campaign.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

The most crazy thing about this new gen so far is this truly desperate idea that exclusive games are 'anti-consumer' and cross-gen policy is being on the 'side of the gamers'.

When PS4 was announced, if Sony came out and said thete'd be no 1st party exclusive games for the first one or two years I would have been aghast, I wouldn't have defended it. As there were too many cross gen PS3 games out there already to enjoy if you wanted that. 'But of course you'd claim that you're a Sony fan' yes I'm a Sony fan but fuck off, no way would I have kept quiet about my displeasure. Same if PS5 came with cross gen policy, I would actively campaign (well not physically with a placard hanging over my neck outside Sony's offices) to get them to change.

When you buy a new product, especially when it's something to replace something that in technological terms is ancient, 8 years old, you expect to play things on it that offer a clean break of experience from the old. You don't need or should want another 2 years extension to the dated hardware's life by giving it all experiences at the highest end. Well it'd be ok to want that if this had no impact on the new gen. But it does (and we can go over the technical reasons why only to be met with the obtuse 'PC games have scaled for years....')

What gets me is the Xbox fans, in almost unaminity, are defending this policy and suddenly the way that console gens have operated since forever is a problem. I've not seen a single voice of displeasure. What's going on? Let's be real, MS' policy is motivated purely by making money from as many potential customers as possible, not because they're your friend.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

That's 6am Sydney time. Oh yes I can do this.

It'll be 12:00am on Friday here, we both gonna see it in the future. Those people are living in the past.

 

[geordiemp]

Agree. Even MS say new CPU is 4x more powerful compared to jaguar CPU, not 10x. Maybe DF will try to estimate CPU improvements ryzen vs jagurar in one of their future videos.

3.6 Ghz vs 1.8 Ghz = 2.25 x
IPC 2 x (Zen 1 vs Jag)
IPC AVX 4 x
Improvements latest Zen 2 whatever they are
Bandwidth 448 vs 176 Ghz
Bigger CPU cache
Offloading decompression, audio and stuff to dedicated hardware

So somewhere 5 to 12 x performance in ns depending on what the workload is fair guess.

I am sure we will get benchmarks but hard to compare as even old PC parts dont use Jaguar seen in console its that bad.

Jag 10 % was just making a point.

 

[Kusarigama]

What did this tweet say? It's been taken down

here is the screencap of those tweets

Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

That train is getting faster and faster. Those effects as well, damn. This thing might get faster than the PS5 SSD.

www.neogaf.com

 

[Metroiddarks]

There are positive things to say about both strategies. One believes making a clear distinction between generation will push gaming forward, great. The other believes in letting people play new games on the older consoles, also great.

There is no real right or wrong here, but depending on which company people support they'll try to find some so they can feed their own insecurity.

I am agree with you.

I want to see this of each company of videogames, following different ideologies in the same market, we can be more agree with one more than the other but is okay we are users.

But when both companies act like children just making tweets instead to just tell you "wait until you see our games" because that is reality, I don't care in the end
the strategies for both companies if any is capable of bring something new and exciting doesn't matter.

 

[Snowdonhoffen]

The most crazy thing about this new gen so far is this truly desperate idea that exclusive games are 'anti-consumer' and cross-gen policy is being on the 'side of the gamers'.

When PS4 was announced, if Sony came out and said all 1st party games for the first one or two years would have to run on the ancient PS3 I would have been aghast, I wouldn't have defended it. As there were too many cross gen PS3 games out there already to enjoy if you wanted that. 'But of course you'd claim that you're a Sony fan' yes I'm a Sony fan but fuck off, no way would I have kept quiet about my displeasure. Same if PS5 came with cross gen policy, I would actively campaign (well not physically with a placard hanging over my neck outside Sony's offices) to get them to change.

When you buy a new product, especially when it's something to replace something that in technological terms is ancient, 8 years old, you expect to play things on it that offer a clean break of experience from the old. You don't need or should want another 2 years extension to the dated hardware's life by giving it all experiences at the highest end. Well it'd be ok to want that if this had no impact on the new gen. But it does (and we can go over the technical reasons why only to be met with the obtuse 'PC games have scaled for years....')

What gets me is the Xbox fans, in almost unaminity, are defending this policy and suddenly the way that console gens have operated since forever is a problem. I've not seen a single voice of displeasure. What's going on? Let's be real, MS' policy is motivated purely by making money from as many potential customers as possible, not because they're your friend.

Exactly. I mean, devs are so excited to work on the new hardware to leave behind the constraints of the current one, but we still have people complaining about it. I just don't get it.

 

[pawel86ck]

3.6 Ghz vs 1.8 Ghz = 2.25 x
IPC 2 x (Zen 1 vs Jag)
IPC AVX 4 x
Improvements latest Zen 2 whatever they are
Bandwidth 448 vs 176 Ghz
Bigger CPU cache
Offloading decompression, audio and stuff to dedicated hardware

So somewhere 5 to 12 x performance in ns depending on what the workload is fair guess.

I am sure we will get benchmarks but hard to compare as even old PC parts dont use Jaguar seen in console its that bad.

Jag 10 % was just making a point.

Well offloading decompression and audio will help for sure, so who knows maybe your 10x number will end up correct.

 

[geordiemp]

There are positive things to say about both strategies. One believes making a clear distinction between generation will push gaming forward, great. The other believes in letting people play new games on the older consoles, also great.

There is no real right or wrong here, but depending on which company people support they'll try to find some so they can feed their own insecurity.

You are correct, and normally MS would be the right strategy, and will be going forward.

However, there is such a gulf in CPU and SSD (assets) that its really hard to include current gen as its so limiting.

Also this current gen has gone on for 7 years, there is more than enough games to play, I have a backlog of about 30 games, I am ready for a step up. I have enough curent gen games, dont need any more thanks.

Well offloading decompression and audio will help for sure, so who knows maybe your 10x number will end up correct.

I was just making a cheeky point to emphasise the delta, I dont know what it is really. When Ps4 Pro and XBX1 were coming out, I was on GAF screeming in every post to kill Jaguar and use a Zen and I did not give a crap about the TF step up really.

I was gutted both mid gen refreshes used Jaguar and posted my disgust on GAF about Ps4pro many times.

 

[Kirkio]

Metal gear steals the show.

Hmmm yes please!

 

[kebaldo]

Now comes the part where I LAUGH MY ASS OFF LOLOLOLOL



Edit: Like for real I was laughing so much my stomach started hurting from cramping and my cheeks feel a little numb.

I can actually see this happening in the opposite direction:

1. Phil said clearly they wanted the Game Pass to be available on more systems possibile, if you have it already on pc and all your console where else can you put it? There where even rumors of the Game Pass coming to the Switch.

2.If the next gen goes as the last with a 4/5 to 1 ratio of install base I can see MS putting the Game Pass on the Ps5 so they can maximize in an incredible way growth of the service.

 

[thurnishaleygw]

I can actually see this happening in the opposite direction:

1. Phil said clearly they wanted the Game Pass to be available on more systems possibile, if you have it already on pc and all your console where else can you put it? There where even rumors of the Game Pass coming to the Switch.

2.If the next gen goes as the last with a 4/5 to 1 ratio of install base I can see MS putting the Game Pass on the Ps5 so they can maximize in an incredible way growth of the service.

And how is Sony gonna allow MS putting in their platform a service that's not gonna make money for them?

 

[Snowdonhoffen]

And how is Sony gonna allow MS putting in their platform a service that's not gonna make money for them?

Like they do with EA Access. I don't know what they do but I imagine they have a small fee for every new subsciption purchase.

 

[martino]

I was just making a cheeky point to emphasise the delta, I dont know what it is really. When Ps4 Pro and XBX1 were coming out, I was on GAF screeming in every post to kill Jaguar and use a Zen and I did not give a crap about the TF step up really.

at least now you are aware of what you did far from "I am being fair, conservative ".
btw the name of figure of speech you used is hyperbole.

 

[thurnishaleygw]

Like they do with EA Access. I don't know what they do but I imagine they have a small fee for every new subsciption purchase.

I don't think the status quo is quite the same, though. They obviously profit from a service from a publisher, but from MS? I guess you could have that fee, but still, is a service that's directly taking away from your own services, or from your own digital store sales in a substantially larger way. I don't quite see it.

 

[Rusco Da Vino]

The issue is Zen 2 vs Jaguar, one is more than 10 x more powerful,. one is a beast, one is a toaster controller.

If games are made for Jaguar, then all zen 2 can do is do fast framerates and sit twiddling its thumbs. Maybe thats why Phil is pushing 120 FPS....

When you enter an area, and the 5 enemies spawn with limited animations and AI and do scripted predictable things, you can thank Jaguar. PC runs it faster, but its still a game designed for a toaster CPU.

That same game as Zen 2 designed games might have 10 or 15 enemies, all different not just reskins or a different colour, all different animations, smarter AI (or actually have intelligence), so many movements and actions

Jaguar needs to die already, current gen needs to stop, now.

Jaguar limits games with 10 % of what you could have and is a shackle around any games ambitions.

If some people dont see a real problem here, just quote their guru:

Richard Leadbetter from Digital Foundry:

Supporting last-gen machines must surely limit options - and that effectively sums up the principal concern I have with Microsoft's strategy here. Additionally, we can't avoid the fact that the Xbox One S has sometimes struggled to deliver decent versions of current-gen games across the course of 2019,

Density of objects, the variety of them may well need to be cut back too. This is where I feel that the generational leap may cause some genuine issues.

Source:

In Theory: Can Microsoft deliver next-gen experiences while still supporting Xbox One?

Ridge Racer, Halo, Super Mario 64. Some might say that the most impactful console launches were those where cutting edg…

www.eurogamer.net

 

[Snowdonhoffen]

I don't think the status quo is quite the same, though. They obviously profit from a service from a publisher, but from MS? I guess you could have that fee, but still, is a service that's directly taking away from your own services, or from your own digital store sales. I don't quite see it.

Yeah, I don't really see it either. Specially because of that Sony pride, they would preffer to heavily focus on PS Now rather than having their biggest competitor service on their own platform.

 

[M-V2]

 

[thurnishaleygw]

Yeah, I don't really see it either. Specially because of that Sony pride, they would preffer to heavily focus on PS Now rather than having their biggest competitor service on their own platform.

It's just not pride, in my opinion. I mean, if tinkered, PSNow would make them potentially much more money than having another company's service available.

 

[geordiemp]

at least now you are aware of what you did far from "I am being fair, conservative ".
btw the name of figure of speech you used is hyperbole.

Lets wait and see what the delta is, as as I have listed the performance is not just IPC, its offloading audio, decompress, cache and 2.25 x bandwidth and IF all those only gives 5 x then it was exagerated for effect.

If its 7 or 8 x performant it was cheeky making a point and not too far off, and in some cases it will be COMFORTABLY more than 10 x with AVX and complex work loads.

Hyperbole is "I've told you to clean your room a million times! ".

I used the 10 x (which is not Hyberbole by definition as 10 x case exists in some workloads), as some posters are still clinging to teh strange notion that games made for Jaguar wont hold things back.

In that context I am making the point, as some posters just dont get it and think "it just scales" which is nuts !

 

[Metroiddarks]

Game developers have always made games for lower- and high-end hardware (PC). I'll agree if Sony shows us something that just isn't possible on current generation of consoles, but if that's not the case then it just didn't really matter and Microsoft did something nice for current gen console owners. And because a game is available cross-gen doesn't make that game not next-gen.


1 first party game is only what we currently know of, let's wait for their July event before saying they will only have 1 game at launch from their first party studios. Pretty sure we'll see a Forza game too. So your whole argument is based on them not having enough games ready? I will agree if that is actually the case, but I would think we should wait on both systems launch line-ups. We also only know about Godfall for PS5, but I expect more of them at launch.

But in most of the cases you define as lower graphics according to how many percentage of PC have that of more and also how far are of the consoles.

And huge percentage of the cases a game crossgen doesn't looks a game of the new gen, if you are thinking in gameplay change in the jump we have
between Xbox 360 to PS4 that will be a bad example for a couple of reason:

-In the moment we know the consoles will have jaguar will know that was not good enough for the next year
-We still use the slow as fuck hdd so in part for this reason we got that huge jump in memory

Those consoles only improve three basic aspect better GPUs which gave better graphics and resolution, more memory which allow to the devs to
don't be so stressed with quantity of memory of the last gen using now that extra memory for streaming and finally the systems were easier to use
which with the explosion of popularity of engines like Unreal Engine and Unity bring us many indie games to the consoles.

The problem is many of the mechanics depend of the CPU for work so as we don't any big improvement well many things just stuck, just play a game
like Halo in Xbox 360 and compare with many of the game of actual gen the behaviour of the enemies feel very similar and even games like Far Cry
just stop to improve its physics his Dunnia engine because was not possible.

And almost always they are shit, like Lair which killed Factor5 or Killzone Shadow Fall which probably killed whole Killzone universe. Ryse, Kameo and Perfect Dark Zero were amazing too, right? Even first Resistance looks more like previous generation title running in HD.
What to choose? Shitty game made with heavy time constraints or upgraded version of crossgen title?

But is not like Xbox has bring us GOTYs in the hardware of Xbox one to say we don't have they stop the flow of incredible games, so in the personal
I will prefer see those guys without the constraint of the old hardware.

I understand Halo Infinite as crossgen title but just because was announce a couple of years ago and because common their last AAA "exclusive" was the last year
in the now this year Sony will deliver 3 AAA for PS4.

 

[martino]

Lets wait and see what the delta is, as as I have listed the performance is not just IPC, its offloading audio, decompress, cache and 2.25 x bandwidth and IF all those only gives 5 x then it was exagerated for effect.

If its 7 or 8 x performant it was cheeky making a point and not too far off, and in some cases it will be COMFORTABLY more than 10 x with AVX and complex work loads.

Hyperbole is "I've told you to clean your room a million times! ".

I used the 10 x (which is not Hyberbole by definition as 10 x case exists in some workloads), as some posters are still cling to games made for Jahuar wont hold things back. In that context I am making the point, as some posters just dont get it and think "it just scales" which is nuts !

this is global performance and not comparing cpu performance then....

 

[kebaldo]

And how is Sony gonna allow MS putting in their platform a service that's not gonna make money for them?

If I have a (theoretically speaking) 100 million of ps5 out there and you MS want to boost your service I think Sony can easelly request a sort of percentage. Because in that case the Ps5 is working like an "advertising billboard" for your service to grow.
At the same time if Ps5 sell 20m and Series X 100 there's a possibility of the opposite... Sony paying MS to put the Game Pass on the Ps5.
IMHO in this gen we will see strange things happening. I think we are going to live a new form of console war at the end of this new gen.

(sorry for the poor english but is not my native language, and actually I'm here reading and commenting trying to learn it lol)

 

[pawel86ck]

I was gutted both mid gen refreshes used Jaguar and posted my disgust on GAF about Ps4pro many times.

You've got a point. Before I wasnt taking into account HW decompression and audio chip, so in reality next gen consoles (at least PS5, because I'm still not so sure if XSX has indeed a separate audio chip like PS5) CPU's will be much faster than numbers suggest.

 

[Gudji]

And almost always they are shit, like Lair which killed Factor5 or Killzone Shadow Fall which probably killed whole Killzone universe. Ryse, Kameo and Perfect Dark Zero were amazing too, right? Even first Resistance looks more like previous generation title running in HD.
What to choose? Shitty game made with heavy time constraints or upgraded version of crossgen title?

There have been decent to good launch games, being cross-gen doesn't make a game good bud. Not all launch games are rushed and I'm pretty sure most games from sony that are going to be shown next week have been in development for at least 4 years at the time of launch. And yes, I'll take - according to you - those "shitty next-gen launch games" over cross-gen games.

 

[geordiemp]

this is global performance and not comparing cpu performance then....

Yes, as the context is games made for current gen systems (OG ps4 and Xb1) wont hold back the next gen consoles and can be scaled in some way seems to be some narrative. Its still a guesstimate and was made for effect in trying to get posters to see the chasm.

Maybe I should of said current vs next gen consoles, but its easier to make the narrative of collective current gen as Jaguar based as its not console specfic.

You've got a point. Before I wasnt taking into account HW decompression and audio chip, so in reality next gen consoles (at least PS5, because I'm still not so sure if XSX has indeed a separate audio chip like PS5) CPU's will be much faster than numbers suggest.

Did you ever play destiny 1 when you go into an area and the same enemies spawn in the same places, moved same way and did the same stuff ? Jaguar haunts me.

 

[Inviusx]

The perception online already is that Xbox Series X is another half step console (because of support for One X and One) whereas PS5 is true next gen.

This of course is not accurate yet that weird perception thing seems to be hindering Microsoft again.

Also if you dont believe me, go read the comments on the Eurogamer article regarding this topic.

 

[geordiemp]

The perception online already is that Xbox Series X is another half step console (because of support for One X and One) whereas PS5 is true next gen.

This of course is not accurate yet that weird perception thing seems to be hindering Microsoft again.

Also if you dont believe me, go read the comments on the Eurogamer article regarding this topic.

Thats unfair, XSX is a true next gen console, the issue is MS bacause of gamepass MIGHT not give XSX all the love it deserves early on. Same goes for third party for next year.

Sony first party will throw everything at Ps5 and it will hopefully inspire switchover .

 

[Shmunter]

Microsoft's method is pro-consumer, but Sony's method is pro-gamer.

As a hardcore gamer, I certainly am excited for new gaming experiences.

Edit: I will have to add that MS being pro-consumer is the narrative pushed for nextgen, we did not hear any narrative like this in 2013

Begrudgingly pro-consumer. They are working off a subscription strategy, not a hardware strategy. Someone buying an Xbox one or XsX is same same to them. They get you into the eco system and hopefully up sell you on gold, gamepass, software, whatever.

Sony is no different, but they are putting advancement as their priority and betting on the rest to fall into place naturally.

MS will continue counting users and bury XsX sales as they will be paltry next to PS5, why wouldn’t they if it’s an optional system. But again, 3rd parties may have a different say on this, especially if they build for PS5 and drop PS4, this will translate to XsX too.

 

[raul3d]

Its speculation yes, I called minimum 5 x (just with Ghz and IPC) or 10 x with AVX PLUS 2.5 x higher bandwidth, bigger caches as roughly 10 x performant to make a point, the point being Jaguar is CRAP.

Maybe the performance averages out 7 or 8 x , are you happy at my Hyberbole ? We dont know the delta yet do we.

Also as more engines make use of more threads, the 16 comes into play, interesting times.

You also forgot the OS reservation (1 Jaguar core). For PS5 we don't know it yet, but it would be crazy to think it is 1 whole Zen2 core, let alone 2 threads.

 

[FranXico]

Exactly. I mean, devs are so excited to work on the new hardware to leave behind the constraints of the current one, but we still have people complaining about it. I just don't get it.

Mind you, the same people now advocating for having everything cross-gen are the same people who are going to criticize developers if they don't make the XsX port vastly superior to the PS5 one.

 

[sircaw]

Fine I’ll just report it and leave it alone.

Its a Waste of Time i have reported Bo thousands of times and he is still here.
He is like one of those crazy god damn ex girlfriends, never goes away.

 

[pawel86ck]

Did you ever play destiny 1 when you go into an area and the same enemies spawn in the same places, moved same way and did the same stuff ?

I havent played destiny 1-2, but I can envision scenario from your description because it happens in other games as well. I wish sony would use improved Cell in PS4 instead of weak jaguar. Developers were already familiar with Cell architecture and I'm sure Cell 2 would run circles around jaguar.

 

[thurnishaleygw]

If I have a (theoretically speaking) 100 million of ps5 out there and you MS want to boost your service I think Sony can easelly request a sort of percentage. Because in that case the Ps5 is working like an "advertising billboard" for your service to grow.
At the same time if Ps5 sell 20m and Series X 100 there's a possibility of the opposite... Sony paying MS to put the Game Pass on the Ps5.
IMHO in this gen we will see strange things happening. I think we are going to live a new form of console war at the end of this new gen.

(sorry for the poor english but is not my native language, and actually I'm here reading and commenting trying to learn it lol)

I mean, there's logic to your argument, but we're talking about a service that very specifically can affect to Sony's software sales or their own services in a broad scale. And if you counter that percentage with what Sony would make from their very own services or software sales, that's why I don't quite see it happening. I mean, we've all seen strange, but this, as of now, I think I'm gonna stand my ground and say that is very unlikely to happen.

(And don't worry, english is not my first language either, so we'll make it work whatever way we may)

 

[sircaw]

So is Kate Beckinsale the celeb mascot for the PS5 and the fridge for the Xbox Series X??

You will address her as Lady Kate Beckinsale, thank you very much.

 

[Handy Fake]

Thoroughly enjoyed that.

 

[TherapistGaymer]

Train is getting full

Wonder if anyone can spot the Easter Egg lol

I see it! It's Cerny conducting the damn train Please count me in!

 

[SAMZ]

And almost always they are shit, like Lair which killed Factor5 or Killzone Shadow Fall which probably killed whole Killzone universe. Ryse, Kameo and Perfect Dark Zero were amazing too, right? Even first Resistance looks more like previous generation title running in HD.
What to choose? Shitty game made with heavy time constraints or upgraded version of crossgen title?

Guerrilla has been killing off the killzone franchise with every entry changing so much from the last when you're into the MP aspect.

KZ1 hipfire and long range ADS
KZ2 hipfire, custom severs and custom clan matches.
KZ3 hipfire ADS hybrid with no recoil management, matchmaking and clan matchmaking.
KZSF full ADS with no recoil, weird hybrid custom server match making and clan system wasnt ready at launch.

 

[Shmunter]

I like this one, new elder scrolls, world simulation, etc.

 

[Mr Moose]

"Why would anybody play this?" says Sony's Jim Ryan about backwards compatibility

Backwards compatibility support on PlayStation 4 is a feature many want, but only a few will actually use, according to…

www.vg247.com

When Sony wasn't supporting it, it wasn't important.. that's how marketers work.

edit: No clue why that dude is saying that right now though as Sony is clearly supporting some level of BC this gen... but yeah, Jim was scoffing at it 3 years ago.

He's right, PSOne games look like shit.

 

[user1337]

PS5 startup concept based on new video

As much as I enjoy watching fan made boot up sequences, they don't make sense.

Sony is saying the system is "speed". Why would their bootup sequence take 5-10 seconds (some fan made stuff is closer to 15 seconds).

I suspect it will probably only do that the first time you load it, and then can be changed from the settings to literally just start up within a second of pressing the power button.

 

[ArcaneNLSC]

You will address her as Lady Kate Beckinsale, thank you very much.

I was hoping to address her as wifey

 

[Shmunter]

Who here would LOVE for e.g EA, Ubisoft, Activision to come out with a statement of strategy that all their games going forward will continue to be released on PS4 & XBO. Lol, fuck off, It would be so deflating. All excitement for next gen severely deflated. Am right?

Why on earth support MS pushing this?

 

[SaucyJack]

That was a really good watch, I like this guy's style.

Liked how he tied in some points to the Unreal Demo.

Just realised that I didn’t pick up when I watched the Road to PS5 originally what Cerny said about the equivalent of how many additional Zen 2 cores were in the custom I/O hardware.

 

[sircaw]

I was hoping to address her as wifey

Your of my Xmas card list because of that comment, MINE

 

[ToadMan]

I don't think the status quo is quite the same, though. They obviously profit from a service from a publisher, but from MS? I guess you could have that fee, but still, is a service that's directly taking away from your own services, or from your own digital store sales in a substantially larger way. I don't quite see it.

It would be like music streaming.

User has gamepass - each time the run a game through Sony's service, Sony get's a royalty. Might be based on time the game is active or launches - that's contract detail.

 

[ArcaneNLSC]

Thoroughly enjoyed that.

It was thoroughly engaging and hearing the practical benefits he explained helped

 

[kebaldo]

So helpful to have someone explain some parts of that video.

 

[Vognerful]

The most crazy thing about this new gen so far is this truly desperate idea that exclusive games are 'anti-consumer' and cross-gen policy is being on the 'side of the gamers'.

When PS4 was announced, if Sony came out and said thete'd be no 1st party exclusive games for the first one or two years I would have been aghast, I wouldn't have defended it. As there were too many cross gen PS3 games out there already to enjoy if you wanted that. 'But of course you'd claim that you're a Sony fan' yes I'm a Sony fan but fuck off, no way would I have kept quiet about my displeasure. Same if PS5 came with cross gen policy, I would actively campaign (well not physically with a placard hanging over my neck outside Sony's offices) to get them to change.

When you buy a new product, especially when it's something to replace something that in technological terms is ancient, 8 years old, you expect to play things on it that offer a clean break of experience from the old. You don't need or should want another 2 years extension to the dated hardware's life by giving it all experiences at the highest end. Well it'd be ok to want that if this had no impact on the new gen. But it does (and we can go over the technical reasons why only to be met with the obtuse 'PC games have scaled for years....')

What gets me is the Xbox fans, in almost unaminity, are defending this policy and suddenly the way that console gens have operated since forever is a problem. I've not seen a single voice of displeasure. What's going on? Let's be real, MS' policy is motivated purely by making money from as many potential customers as possible, not because they're your friend.

the difference is that Xbox did not have many exclusives to begin with and many people (especially the last 2 years) joined xbox family. It makes sense for them have something to offer these people.

on the other hand, we already know at least 2 Xbox series x exclusives from other studios so they can justify their choices.

 

[ArcaneNLSC]

Your of my Xmas card list because of that comment, MINE