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[THE:MILKMAN]

All that custom hardware is designed to do all that work. Which is why I believe you. I really want to see more of that SSD in action. It seems like it's the most interesting tech in the PS5 in my opinion.

I'm sure Sony's own studios will come up with uses we can't even think of right now. I really hope we see something completely new and/or unexpected on Thursday.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Sky is blue, everybody knows crossgen on consoles, is oldgen feat. max settings' PC on newgen. Corndog, and xfighter are just lying to themselves to fit their beliefs, as usual. Nothing else. Hence the term crossgen.

Exactly, the rest is just talk.

 

[Neo Blaster]

Yes, originally, the decompressor was designed just for zlib. I wonder who actually convinced them to get into Kraken.

No way they would be able to achieve those 9 GB/s average or 22GB/s theoretical speeds with just zlib if that was their target.

 

[jasondefaoite]

So, the blue led is much thinner than I thought. Good, it won't waste that much battery

That's not an LED. It's a light pipe.

 

[FranXico]

No way they would be able to achieve those 9 GB/s average or 22GB/s theoretical speeds with just zlib if that was their target.

They primarily had a target for raw speed of 5GB/s, the compression gains from Kraken followed later.

 

[Rusco Da Vino]

You were a TF lover when you "leaked" all your insider information, and had the impression PS would win that battle. You're not a TF lover anymore?

What "leaked" information are you talking about?

Because I have asked him like 10 times via PM to provide me a simple hint and he did not leak me shit.

You dont need to express your huge disappoitment because nobody talks about your 12tf anymore and creating a random strawman.

Post a link to sustain that "teraflop lover" afirmation or move on.

 

[zaitsu]

Sky is blue, everybody knows crossgen on consoles, is oldgen feat. max settings' PC on newgen. Corndog, and xfighter are just lying to themselves to fit their beliefs, as usual. Nothing else. Hence the term crossgen.

Don't be mean. They have only 5 days to be happy. Let them be this way. It's the least we can do.

 

[Bogroll]

What "leaked" information are you talking about?

Because I have asked him like 10 times via PM to provide me a simple hint and he did not leak me shit.

You dont need to express your huge disappoitment because nobody talks about your 12tf anymore and creating a random strawman.

Post a link to sustain that "teraflop lover" afirmation or move on.

Wow! You must have been a TF lover to pm the poster 10 times.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

What "leaked" information are you talking about?

Because I have asked him like 10 times via PM to provide me a simple hint and he did not leak me shit.

In this topic... He hinted multiple times to +13TF, he shared that weird angel/devil video because there were supposedly hints in it.

 

[zaitsu]

Wow! You must have been a TF lover to pm the poster 10 times.

To be honest even microsoft fell for TF narration.

 

[zaitsu]

In this topic... He hinted multiple times to +13TF, he shared that weird angel/devil video because there were supposedly hints in it.

and what if PS5 will behave like 13 TF machine and XSX won't even utylise it's full TF potential. TF are theoretical.

 

[Bogroll]

To be honest even microsoft fell for TF narration.

We don't know that yet but it seems your falling for the TF don't matter.

 

[Rusco Da Vino]

Wow! You must have been a TF lover to pm the poster 10 times.

Wow! You even look like you know what you are talking about

 

[Kusarigama]

In this topic... He hinted multiple times to +13TF, he shared that weird angel/devil video because there were supposedly hints in it.

you remember that but didn't you see when BGs said that 10.3TFLOPS rdna is equivalent to around 13TFLOPS gcn?

 

[SgtCaffran]

Says who? You are making up your own definitions, here is mine: "A game is called next-gen if it runs on new hardware".
You are also making the assumption that those games can't be dumbed down to run on older gen hardware. Developers could target the XSX and make everything work perfect on there, and then when they port it to Xbox One, they start removing stuff. That's basically the whole idea of Smart Delivery too.

The definitions are pretty clear I think.
- current gen: PS4
- next gen: PS5
- cross gen: PS4 and PS5

So games made for the PS4 are current gen. They will run on PS5 with back compatibility. Games made for PS5 are next gen, they won't run on PS4. Games made for both PS4 and PS5 are cross gen, they will run on both natively.

Smart delivery is cross gen. Any game that also plays on the current gen console is cross gen. I'm not making any definitions up as far as I can see.

Not all game mechanics are possible on current gen consoles (basically any mechanic that relies heavily on the new CPU or SSD). Any game created as cross gen will be inherently limited as they cannot use these mechanics. Not all things can simply be scaled down like graphics can.

 

[FranXico]

you remember that but didn't you see when BGs said that 10.3TFLOPS rdna is equivalent to around 13TFLOPS gcn?

You know, it's interesting how these guys are all over BGs , but don't care about the pidgeons talk.

 

[BadBreathOfTheWild]

They primarily had a target for raw speed of 5GB/s, the compression gains from Kraken followed later.

Source? If the implication of this is that 5GB/s was all that was needed from the full and final pipeline, and the work and silicon invested into Kraken decompression was some last minute addition, then that’s complete nonsense.
As would be the implication that Sony stuck with an expensive SSD setup if the decompressor block was enough.
These things spend years in development and every cent is saved and put where they think it will have the most impact.

 

[icerock]

Looks like GGs next showpiece might very well be at the event. I can't even imagine what they have been up to, Horizon ZD was a technical showcase in itself, but the same engine was worked upon and reached greater heights in Death Stranding. Can you imagine what the original creators of that engine would've been up to? I mean just look at this Decima black magic.

Will be hard to contain the hype in this coming week, phew!

 

[zaitsu]

Source? If the implication of this is that 5GB/s was all that was needed from the full and final pipeline, and the work and silicon invested into Kraken decompression was some last minute addition, then that’s complete nonsense.
As would be the implication that Sony stuck with an expensive SSD setup if the decompressor block was enough.
These things spend years in development and every cent is saved and put where they think it will have the most impact.

Compression gain OVER Zlib. They just wanted to make that more future-proof.

 

[FranXico]

Source? If the implication of this is that 5GB/s was all that was needed from the full and final pipeline, and the work and silicon invested into Kraken decompression was some last minute addition, then that’s complete nonsense.

Road to PS5 talk. The decision was not some last minute call, but it was pretty close to launch (2017). Growing popularity of Kraken is what led to the decision.

 

[Bogroll]

Wow! You even look like you know what you are talking about

I just like to talk straight to the point, I'm trying to get a jest about these machines. People talk a lot of technical stuff on here which is great. It should be a mix of all people, experts and the man/women on the street.

 

[Gravemind]

All this MS talk about including old platforms is just PR spin, the real deal is one single thing: Gamepass. They need to spread it across every platform they can, old consoles, new console, PC and mobile in the future(Xcloud). Gosh, I think the only reason we haven't seen it being announced for Switch and PlayStation is because Nintendo and Sony have zero interest in that happening. They don't even need you to buy an Xbox, all they want is your ongoing subscription.

Please tell me you dont honestly believe something as ridiculous as that. Gamepass isnt on Playstation and Nintendo because Sony and Nintendo dont want it? Yeah, that must be it.

Pretty sure Sony would jump at the ability to have the Playstation play Xbox games on their platform, while taking a cut of the profit. The marketing alone of "the Playstation plays every game, even the competitors" would be worth the deal alone.

As for the rest of your post, it's quite obvious at this point that Microsoft is positioning Gamepass as the backbone of the Xbox brand. With how good it works and how successful it has been at gaining subscriptions, I really dont see why Gamepass at the center of Microsofts game platform is such a bad thing.

It's a pretty great service by the way...

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

So, in Cerny's talk he mentioned the Kraken decompression chip as being as powerful as 9 Zen2 CPU cores...that's a TON of processing power for data decompression. Does the XSX have anything like close to that?

 

[ToadMan]

But is there a graphics card from the same architecture and memory also from the same brand where the less TF card outperforms the higher TF card in the last 20 years?

Well that’s a mighty small bullseye you’ve set there. Hehe.

Almost like you know the answer to your contrived question.... love that you stipulate even the brand has to be the same lol.

But implicitly you accept that tflops doesn’t always indicate performance. Good - that would be an accurate assessment of the situation.

As it happens, the PS5 and Xsex don’t share your parameters so they don’t have to follow your assertion of tflops wins ...

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Please tell me you dont honestly believe something as ridiculous as that. Gamepass isnt on Playstation and Nintendo because Sony and Nintendo dont want it? Yeah, that must be it.

Pretty sure Sony would jump at the ability to have the Playstation play Xbox games on their platform, while taking a cut of the profit. The marketing alone of "the Playstation plays every game, even the competitors" would be worth the deal alone.

As for the rest of your post, it's quite obvious at this point that Microsoft is positioning Gamepass as the backbone of the Xbox brand. With how good it works and how successful it has been at gaining subscriptions, I really dont see why Gamepass at the center of Microsofts game platform is such a bad thing.

It's a pretty great service by the way...

So much I want to say but most wouldnt believe it anyhow.

And no Sony does not want Gamepass on their ecosystem period.

 

[pasterpl]

Okay, so my opinion/hot take.

PS5 will be a true next gen machine.
Series X will be more like an upgrade to this gen.

Microsoft will want all games to be playable even down to the original Xbox One from 2013 just so it can all go on gamepass. I can see the version of next gen games to just be highly up-ressed versions of last gen games.

lol...xbsex similar to the ps5 have ssd (slower but still ssd), xbsex have better gpu and cpu, memory is somewhat similar

The definitions are pretty clear I think.
- current gen: PS4
- next gen: PS5
- cross gen: PS4 and PS5

So games made for the PS4 are current gen. They will run on PS5 with back compatibility. Games made for PS5 are next gen, they won't run on PS4. Games made for both PS4 and PS5 are cross gen, they will run on both natively.

Smart delivery is cross gen. Any game that also plays on the current gen console is cross gen. I'm not making any definitions up as far as I can see.

Not all game mechanics are possible on current gen consoles (basically any mechanic that relies heavily on the new CPU or SSD). Any game created as cross gen will be inherently limited as they cannot use these mechanics. Not all things can simply be scaled down like graphics can.

smart delivery it is not same as cross gen, smart delivery will automatically download relevant patches to the game to offer next gen enhancements (going beyond resolution and FPS, I am guessing that ray tracing could be one of these used more often than others).

eg. forza horizon on Xbox one x is 4K 60fps and it will be 4K 60fps with ray tracing on xbsex via smart delivery (this is just made up exampl)

 

[Rusco Da Vino]

I just like to talk straight to the point, I'm trying to get a jest about these machines. People talk a lot of technical stuff on here which is great. It should be a mix of all people, experts and the man/women on the street.

What I said is that you have no idea about what kind of conversation I have with the guy via PM. You assumed I asked him 10 times about TFs.

We have an ongoing conversation where he explains me a lot of tech stuff about the PS5/VR and I always try to "fish" a bit more info but there is no way he leaks me a thing.

I tried everything

Nothing wrong about your tech expeculations here.

 

[BadBreathOfTheWild]

Road to PS5 talk. The decision was not some last minute call, but it was pretty close to launch (2017). Growing popularity of Kraken is what led to the decision.

The decision to use Kraken instead of Zlib came in 2017. Kraken gives 10% better compression on average. 5GB/s for the entire pipeline was never the plan, or they wouldn’t have targeted Zlib decompression and just gone all SSD. Maybe that isn’t what you were trying to imply and I’ve misunderstood, which is why I prefaced calling it nonsense with what I did beforehand.

From what Cerny said, the switch to Kraken in 2017 improved things by 10% to bring an average 8-9GB/s. It’s a cherry on top, and without it PS5 IO would still be well in excess of 5GB/s

 

[Gravemind]

So much I want to say but most wouldnt believe it anyhow.

And no Sony does not want Gamepass on their ecosystem period.

Please, do tell. I'm curious what you have to say.

Also, that is surprising to me, if true. I thought Sony would love to have their machine run Xbox games. Would almost totally defeat the purpose of buying an Xbox, and would make the PS5 the jack of all trades.

 

[nikolino840]

4chan rumor
Sorry if it's old

 

[Vaztu]

As a whole the pad here looks Black to me:

Nah, its a stretch.

Timestamp looks clear as white to me.


This is like the Apple trailer where they try hide the notch.

Apple sued for 'hiding ugly notch' on iPhone XS with 'misleading' wallpaper

APPLE is being sued for “misleading” adverts that hide one of the iPhone’s most controversial features. The notch, which juts out into the top of the screen, is cleverly hidden on…

www.thesun.co.uk

Sony is trying to do something similar. We should stick to the color they showed us officially.

EDIT: As stated below, not hide it to mislead but more of a marketing gimmick, "its in the shadows before the curtains open"

 

[geordiemp]

So, in Cerny's talk he mentioned the Kraken decompression chip as being as powerful as 9 Zen2 CPU cores...that's a TON of processing power for data decompression. Does the XSX have anything like close to that?

It means there is 9 zens of decompression power, not 9 zens worth of power.

 

[ToadMan]

Last time we had that discusion about guy from Studio Liverpool only game credits were trustworthy. Can you guys make your mind?
https://www.mobygames.com/developer/yan-chernikov/credits/developerId,728813/

But you’ve made up your mind that a guy who has posted a number of YouTube videos regarding coding techniques (which I can verify are accurate btw), has credentials of working for a game studio and is evidently well capable of understanding the PS5 presentation, isn’t sufficiently well versed to convince you of anything...

I don’t think it matters who told you something on the topic whether it was Iwata, Carmack or Kojima - you’ve chosen to remain firmly In your camp regardless of any facts, evidence or knowledge presented.

You're in a cult now.

 

[Three Jackdaws]

4chan rumor
Sorry if it's old

looks like a mix of popular rumours along with fanboy fiction lol

 

[geordiemp]

4chan rumor
Sorry if it's old

Thats not a rumour, thats just trolling nonsense by timdog

 

[BadBreathOfTheWild]

Nah, its a stretch.

Timestamp looks clear as white to me.


This is like the Apple trailer where they try hide the notch.

Apple sued for 'hiding ugly notch' on iPhone XS with 'misleading' wallpaper

APPLE is being sued for “misleading” adverts that hide one of the iPhone’s most controversial features. The notch, which juts out into the top of the screen, is cleverly hidden on…

www.thesun.co.uk

Sony is trying to do something similar. We should stick to the color they showed us officially.

It’s a bit of a stretch to say they’re hiding that it’s white considering it’s already revealed.

This is just a moody marketing shot conveying the fact PS5 is still mysterious and coming soon.

It’s white in the video as others have already made clear. It’s just very gently edge lit in CG. It’s not recorded from the real thing.

 

[Bogroll]

Well that’s a mighty small bullseye you’ve set there. Hehe.

Almost like you know the answer to your contrived question.... love that you stipulate even the brand has to be the same lol.

But implicitly you accept that tflops doesn’t always indicate performance. Good - that would be an accurate assessment of the situation.

As it happens, the PS5 and Xsex don’t share your parameters so they don’t have to follow your assertion of tflops wins ...

I'll take that as a no then, I'm just asking from the Info I read on here, so im not allowed to question it, one is higher but the lower one is better.Im meant to just suck it all up.
Brand as in Amd v Amd etc as both same brand in the consoles.
And yes they don't share the parameters but people watch and post that video of TF and use it as a yardstick. Yes when there's a agenda.

 

[Gravemind]

4chan rumor
Sorry if it's old

Damn, this will be polarizing.

If true, hardware wise its disapointing, but software wise it is actually pretty exciting.

Big IF though.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

So, in Cerny's talk he mentioned the Kraken decompression chip as being as powerful as 9 Zen2 CPU cores...that's a TON of processing power for data decompression. Does the XSX have anything like close to that?

From the Digital Foundry XSX article:

So in other words, to equal the performance of a Series X at its full IO rate, you would need to build a PC with 13 Zen 2 cores. That's seven cores dedicated for the game: one for Windows and shell and five for the IO and decompression overhead."

 

[MasterCornholio]

Can you imagine what the original creators of that engine would've been up to?

The ultimate ant simulator game?

 

[zaitsu]

Damn, this will be polarizing.

If true, hardware wise its disapointing, but software wise it is actually pretty exciting.

Big IF though.

You believe in naughty dog announcing new game ? It’s just made up BS

 

[SSfox]

4chan rumor
Sorry if it's old

 

[jonnyp]

4chan rumor
Sorry if it's old

It's old and pretty schizophrenic. First part sounds like it's written by an MS fanboy and the second part by a Sony fanboy.

 

[FranXico]

It's old and pretty schizophrenic. First part sounds like it's written by an MS fanboy and the second part by a Sony fanboy.

Yeah it's a mix of fan fiction from both camps. Nobody should take it seriously.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Please, do tell. I'm curious what you have to say.

Also, that is surprising to me, if true. I thought Sony would love to have their machine run Xbox games. Would almost totally defeat the purpose of buying an Xbox, and would make the PS5 the jack of all trades.

I really don't want to go down that road on next gen speculation thread.

It has been reported before why this has failed.

 

[Gravemind]

You believe in naughty dog announcing new game ? It’s just made up BS

Not really, hence the "big IF" part...

But yes, it's likely bullshit, as most Sony related leaks are.

 

[Neo Blaster]

Please tell me you dont honestly believe something as ridiculous as that. Gamepass isnt on Playstation and Nintendo because Sony and Nintendo dont want it? Yeah, that must be it.

Pretty sure Sony would jump at the ability to have the Playstation play Xbox games on their platform, while taking a cut of the profit. The marketing alone of "the Playstation plays every game, even the competitors" would be worth the deal alone.

Sony already have PS Now, they even didn't allow EA Access until recently, do you really think they want another competing service?

Nintendo could be a possibility by using Xcloud, certain games wouldn't be able to run on Switch anyway.

It's a pretty great service by the way...

Never said otherwise, and MS desperately needs it to succeed.

 

[MasterCornholio]

4chan rumor
Sorry if it's old

When was that posted?

 

[quest]

It's old and pretty schizophrenic. First part sounds like it's written by an MS fanboy and the second part by a Sony fanboy.

It is a bunch of crap im not sure if one item is true but i stopped reading part way it was so full of shit.

 

[Codexer]