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Jeff Grubb: Devs Fawning over PS5. Haven't heard the same praise for XSX, but heard nothing bad
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JareBear: Remastered
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I don't think that happened, but maybe I missed it. I only have seen Crytek Guy say that the weaker GPU is better, and that interview was redacted. Is there a link to DF saying this?
bumleforce
Member
So did he mention a developer by name or is this one of those random developer off record things that could be anyone? I know the lead developer of skorn has praises Xbox while the lead developer at ready at Dawn has praised Sony. I know the lead at remedy didn’t think the ssd is a big deal between them but I don’t see to many people from developent companies go on record. This almost feels like the whole ps5 13 tflop rumor
M1chl
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That one who does not give those pedo vibes...Who you would prefer to marry your daughter?
Coolwhhip
Neophyte
So neither?
Coulomb_Barrier
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Mark Cerny is the Netflix of the system engineer world.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Have you listened to the PS5 conference, it was creepy by my standards, such a soft sounding voice and well...I find his "asmr" presentation creepy, I don't like this type of voice at all.
THE:MILKMAN
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I do remember Richard Leadbetter talking about how a smaller (36CU) chip at higher clocks was a better option as all parts of the GPU benefited and this is exactly what Mark Cerny went on to say in Road to PS5. This was in the context of the PS5 Github leaks but I can't remember the exact video.
MasterCornholio
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Did I ever say it was only one side that's doing this?
As for me being a part of this we all are a part of the discord in some way shape or form.
You really need to do some research before making these types of accusations. Just because my preferences are different than yours doesn't make me blind.
Anyways I really don't have an issue with you but you seem to have a problem with me. I would like to know why?
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Entroyp
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Seems to me like they like to spend more time flaunting their teraflops than actually playing games. I would have dropped the Xone a long time ago if I ever had bought one.
DynamiteCop!
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I muted him for most of it and just watched the slides, it's pretty intolerable.
JareBear: Remastered
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Agnostic2020
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It’s a bit childish and immature to call someone pedophile cause you like another plastic box. Don’t you agree?
DForce
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SentientStone
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Imagine if the PS5 show doesn't go ahead on June 4th, nothing happens and no word is given, people speculate wildly as whats "gone wrong". Then we get to July and there is no Xbox showing, we all start to get antsy and really worried that nothing is coming or something terrible has happened behind the scenes to both companies and then in August its revealed:
"The Playstation Series Xbox 5X"
FUSION!
Then we could stop all this pointless willy-waving.
Bring on the Corporate Ministry... all part of the plan.
Airbus Jr
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So you guys now attacking Cerny and brandish him as intolerable and creepy a du cant find aother excuses to destroy his image
I ve watched his conf and hes message is quite clear and thats all we need
If youre adding another unecesary ridiculous personal attack thats on you
Man...the goalpost by xbox fanboy here is hilarious...
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Geki-D
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I actually cringed at how dumb this post is. I mean really, in real life I actually cringed as an involuntary response.
Exodia
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That's just them talking about what Cerny said during his presentation.
They have actually done analysis of RDNA1 between a lower clocked GPU versus a higher clocked GPU and saw little to no improvement compared to more CU.
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ToadMan
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"Sharing" 90% of the hardware, well I'm not so sure about that. I mean if you're talking in Van Neumann machine terms then ok, theres a CPU, Memory, Secondary Storage, Output fine - but in detail? They're using custom SOCs, custom hardware for auxialliary tasks, custom SSDs, different RAM architecure and bandwidth....
But anyway, regardless of that from the software perspective they seem 180 degress opposed.
I mean the xsex is "a PC" - ok a customised hardware PC, but recognisable as a PC.
PS5 though - the approach they're taking to cpu capping for power rather than clock will make the optiomisation steps very different. On top of that, Sony want devs to be able to push data through the system at a rate where RAM could be reloaded in "real-time" without the need for a whole block of RAM set aside for scenarios that may not occur.
Then there's sound processing which Sony seem to have spent a lot of time on. New Dualsense - let's see what's in there.
To me, the PS5 is quite a big revolution in terms of software. There's a lot to chew on.
I don't feel "sharing 90% of the same hardware" is really doing justice to the differences of approach they've taken.
M1chl
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No, I am reacting just about his voice, that's all. He could be in any company.
Sorry, to hear that
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DynamiteCop!
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No you didn't, he speaks in a very unnatural way, the timber of his voice and the way he carries words is odd. This isn't even something that can be debated, whether you find it creepy or not is a matter of personal perception but he certainly doesn't carry himself as normal.
DForce
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It's not. lol.
And yes, they have done test on RDNA 1 cards and want to see how it performs on RNDA 2 cards.
These guys are literally saying you can get more out of the GPU this way, but you just want to ignore it all.
Airbus Jr
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Cmon man your fanboying hard at this point thats not even funny anymore
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DynamiteCop!
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It's a plainly observable reality.
martino
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M1chl
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So both? I am not sure if I even heard the second dude speak, probably nothing memorable if I have...
Airbus Jr
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Youre the long time Gamespot System Wars occupant who spent 20,000 post in less then two year yes ?
Lets not carried out that toxic mentality around here
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Exodia
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And the test didn't show the HUGE benefits that Cerny is talking about. You seem to ignore that. Saying you get more is different from what Cerny was ado-vacating. A 2%-5% benefit is nothing. Their RDNA1 test doesn't support the huge benefits that Cerny was claiming.
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DynamiteCop!
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Quad you should have said it was you earlier, as if it wasn't already obvious.
Geki-D
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What the actual fuck are you talking about? The guy is just soft spoken. Jesus Christ.
Agnostic2020
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He has clips for people who relax with calm voices and has over 100K clicks and every one commented they find it soothing. So the only thing plainly obvious is that many non gamers find his voice soothing .
To each their own but his voice isn’t plainly annoying or weird to many
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Airbus Jr
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Like i said these xbox fanboys cant find any other excuses to attack Cerny so this is the best aproach they choose ( body shaming or in this case face shaming)
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ToadMan
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If I have to consider and potentially compromise where my data is going in RAM, it's not unified. At least not by any defintion used in the last 10 years or so.
Xsex has 10gb VRAM by any practical definition. That isn't unified.
DynamiteCop!
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It's unified.
You can perceive his voice in whichever way you please, I find it to be unnatural, very abnormal and unsettling.
turtlepowa
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His voice is totally fine, but he sometimes looks creepy. For example this: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/sony...with-the-last-guardian.1067332/post-169157228
Nobody can tell me he would feel comfortable, if a guy on the street looks this way at you
But it doen't matter as long as he is good in what he does and he is.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Sony sure has a shit ton of hype to live up to next week. Let's see if they can.
MasterCornholio
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They really need to watch some of his speeches. Mark is a pretty smart guy and is very good at explaining things. They definitely can learn alot from him.
Shin
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Agnostic2020
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We all know some specific fans will be very “disappointed and concerned” next Thursday
MasterCornholio
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I hope they don't make the same mistake they the competition made with their last event. There is such thing as overhyping an event. Hopefully that doesn't happen because it would suck for all of us.
AphexTwunt
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Clearly it's all in jest...
Sound like you'd be happier reee'ing about it elsewhere.,
Sound like you'd be happier reee'ing about it elsewhere.,
Ass of Can Whooping
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He probably fucks more than you though
JareBear: Remastered
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I think he’s awesome. I don’t think every word out or his mouth should be treated as a holy grail but he’s an amazing engineer/designer.
He did have that “supercharged PC architecture” quote, which is fine, but we gotta remember that just like Phil these guys are trying to sell consoles
Making fun of his voice or appearance doesn’t seem to serve much purpose imo. I’m a funny looking, weird sounding guy myself so I can’t judge anyone
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MasterCornholio
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We all know some specific fans will be very “disappointed and concerned” next Thursday
That's always going to happen no matter the event and no matter whose in charge of it.
Then there are those people who set their expectations too high and end up disappointed.
M1chl
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You know I am just saying his voice is really uncomfortable for me, much more than his appearance.His voice is totally fine, but he sometimes looks creepy. For example this: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/sony...with-the-last-guardian.1067332/post-169157228
Nobody can tell me he would feel comfortable, if a guy on the street looks this way at you
But it doen't matter as long as he is good in what he does and he is.
ToadMan
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No its not. 560 is not equal 332. This isn't even a difficult topic - its the one time where a simple number comparison will tell the story...
DynamiteCop!
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People also forget that Mark doesn't even work for Sony, he's a third party contractor.