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There is a non-consumer SSD that is faster than the PS5 SSD
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Despite bold claims, there is already a PC SSD that is way faster than the PS5 SSD
Sony and Epic Games have been describing the PS5 SSD as something that high-end SSDs cannot come close to. Well, apparently he was wrong as there is already an SSD that is way faster than the PS5 SSD.www.dsogaming.com
80 us access time is pretty bad.
Which is expected for RAID drives.
I would expect <15 us for XBSX drive and even less for PS5.
Bottom line: this PC SSD will be slower than XBSX SSD for gaming related workloads, not to mention PS5.
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MightySquirrel
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I like how fanboys are now trying to spin it around and sudenly ssd speed don't matter no more 
Well of course XBSX gpu being 30% more capable is way more important than a little faster ssd.
Well of course XBSX gpu being 30% more capable is way more important than a little faster ssd.
93xfan
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People already know the PS5 SSD is faster. Who do you think here doesn’t know this? No need to do personal attacks against the OP.
Endless Fluff
Banned
People saying that "this doesn't count because it's expensive" look rather stupid. You can get a slower adapter for 4 SSDs for much less. 4TB@15GB/s for around $600, 4TB@20GB/s for $800. It's enthusiast hardware and the point of this is to always have over the top performance. People who buy something like this are people who also buy HEDT CPUs...
Also, 7GB/s consumer SSDs already exist, they're not on the market yet, but ADATA, Lexar, Samsung etc. have already shown their product line up for the 2nd half of 2020 at CES half a year ago. Cerny himself said that he expects 7GB/s SSDs to be available when PS5 launches, with PS5 compatible ones being available early next year.
In the end it all depends on the software anyways.
Also, 7GB/s consumer SSDs already exist, they're not on the market yet, but ADATA, Lexar, Samsung etc. have already shown their product line up for the 2nd half of 2020 at CES half a year ago. Cerny himself said that he expects 7GB/s SSDs to be available when PS5 launches, with PS5 compatible ones being available early next year.
In the end it all depends on the software anyways.
93xfan
Banned
Both matter. People are ignoring the likely better ray tracing capabilities of the XSX due to more CUs and the CPU being steady, while the GPU is running at full clock speed too. People on the other side are ignoring the big SSD advantage and the ease of development for PS5.I like how fanboys are now trying to spin it around and sudenly ssd speed don't matter no more
Well of course XBSX gpu being 30% more capable is way more important than a little faster ssd.
both have their nice features and both are being downplayed.
Great Hair
Banned
Krazy Ken Kutaragi never said that. His words were :
"You will appreciate it, you will work harder for it" not get a second job.
turtlepowa
Banned
Nice. If i understood all the PS5 SSD threads lately correct, i can buy one of these for my i5 3470 + GTI 1030 and have better performance than a Ryzen 7 + 2080Ti. Am i right?
PS5 $10,000 confirmed
Optimistic Gamer
Member
People actually consider server-hardware part of their console wars now.
They really need to loosen up the lockdown....
They really need to loosen up the lockdown....
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TheTechnician
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Bwhahah what weak try Op..
OP must be afraid of 4th June.
And he should be..
OP must be afraid of 4th June.
And he should be..
MightySquirrel
Banned
I honestly believe that ps5 having slightly faster ssd won't make any difference whatsoever. XBSX ssd is super fast as well btw.
On the other hand 30% or so more capable GPU performance can be easily shown in any multiplatform game, if developer would decide so. Simple example: in a game where it maxes ps5 gpu at 2560x1440 resolution, same game can be ran at full 3840x2160 or better yet same resolution but nicer more accurate raytrtacing or draw distance etc.
Slings and Arrows
Banned
OP is a shill, 100%. Not just a 'I don't agree with him so he's a shill, shill' but a proper mental case shill.
Besides, who doesn't know that better parts can be bought than what's in a console costing £500?
Dodkrake
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I like how fanboys are now trying to spin it around and sudenly ssd speed don't matter no more
Well of course XBSX gpu being 30% more capable is way more important than a little faster ssd.
Where did you pull 30% from?
Dodkrake
Banned
Except the XSX SSD is not super fast. It's kinda average for an M2 drive.
And another one pulling 30% out of the ass. Where did this sudden 30% gap come from?
Sethbacca
Member
Even if the hardware has the speed capability doesn't that still ignore the fact that the I/O stack isn't setup on PC in any way to make that speed useful? Until pcs start getting I/O acceleration blocks and all the other fun new shit it's a bit like putting a high end car engine in a Ford fiesta.
Ribi
Member
Someone told me Forza and sea of theives? Not required but listed as recommend. Again just what I've heard too lazy to fact check
Radical_3d
Member
Telling YouTube not to recommend me this guy again was the best decision of the last week. I can’t stand his little rackets socks master race rhetoric.
JTCx
Member
Show me the receipts.
itsjustJEFF
Member
How do you know better than a developer/engineer that the faster SSD won't may any difference? How do you know, that demo "Maxes out the PS5 GPU" where did we pull this quote from? How do you know this information? I would really like to read, or listen, to that interview with Epic where they state "we pushed the PS5's GPU to the max. That is the highest resolution/fps we could get" How do we know about how this demo will run "full 3840x2160 or BETTER." Cause if this is true this is a bid deal.
The demo seem to be built to impress you on how many triangles their new engine "could" stream. What was it, Billions on screen? Maybe instead of Billions if it was only Millions do you think maybe the resolution could go up a little more? Maybe the framerate could get a bump as well? maybe? possibly?
sendit
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Sweeney was talking about the overall PS5 architect (not the SSD specifically).
Reference
With that said, lets just ignore the larger piece of PS5s custom I/O architect that takes up a good portion of their silicon budget. It isn't important and has no effect on how the SSD operates /s:
Oddvintagechap
Member
“The raw read speed is important, but so are the details of the I/O [input-output] mechanisms and the software stack that we put on top of them.
The unit itself is capable of outputting as much 22 gigabytes a second if the data happened to compress particularly well. By the way in terms of performance that custom decompressor equates to nine of our Zen2 cores. Thats what it would take decompress the kraken stream with a conventional cpu. There’s alot more in the custom IO unit including a dedicated DMA controller. The game can direct exactly where it wants to send the data coming off the SSD. This equates to another Zen2 core or two In terms of its copy performance. Its primary purpose is to remove check in as a bottleneck.
The best thing as a game developer when you read from the SSD, you dont need to know any of this. You dont even need to know that your data is compressed. You just indicate what data youd like to read from your orginal uncompressed file and where you like to put it and whole process of loading it happens invisibly to you and at a high speed.
Seeing that Sony are leading the way in memory solutions, they know what they are saying.
The unit itself is capable of outputting as much 22 gigabytes a second if the data happened to compress particularly well. By the way in terms of performance that custom decompressor equates to nine of our Zen2 cores. Thats what it would take decompress the kraken stream with a conventional cpu. There’s alot more in the custom IO unit including a dedicated DMA controller. The game can direct exactly where it wants to send the data coming off the SSD. This equates to another Zen2 core or two In terms of its copy performance. Its primary purpose is to remove check in as a bottleneck.
The best thing as a game developer when you read from the SSD, you dont need to know any of this. You dont even need to know that your data is compressed. You just indicate what data youd like to read from your orginal uncompressed file and where you like to put it and whole process of loading it happens invisibly to you and at a high speed.
Seeing that Sony are leading the way in memory solutions, they know what they are saying.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
No, he stated his point very clearly. Don't listen to it with your brain pre-wired in defense mode.
"Bashing"? What LInus said isn't wrong. It is technically true that there are SSDs "on the market" that you can buy for "any amount of money"
Amazon.com: Gigabyte AORUS Nvme Add-in-Card 8TB High Performance Gaming, Advanced Thermal Solution with Copper Heatsink, Toshiba 3D TLC, 5 Year Warranty SSD GP-ASACNE6800TTTDA: Computers & Accessories
Amazon.com: Gigabyte AORUS Nvme Add-in-Card 8TB High Performance Gaming, Advanced Thermal Solution with Copper Heatsink, Toshiba 3D TLC, 5 Year Warranty SSD GP-ASACNE6800TTTDA: Computers & Accessories
www.amazon.com
It's not bashing because he went on to clarify Sweeney's point for him, by saying at 26:49 what Sweeney's overall point means in context.
Which is the complete point that Linus planned on saying from the beginning, so that's hardly "stumbling". He made a very reasonable "both sides of the argument" case for why the PS5 is going to be sweet and why Sweeney's statement is hyperbole.
They both acknowledge the strides that the next gen consoles are making to be able to improve in this area.
93xfan
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OP is a shill, 100%. Not just a 'I don't agree with him so he's a shill, shill' but a proper mental case shill.
Besides, who doesn't know that better parts can be bought than what's in a console costing £500?
well I can at least agree that I don’t care about PC gaming. At. All.
Ive taken a close look at PC in the past and have determined it is not for me and I’m okay that they can get better specs.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
The PS5 SSD doesn't do 9 GB/s. It can compress data up to 50 % and deliver that at 4.5 GB/s. It's 9 GB worth of data in a theoretical scenario, but the transfer rates never exceed 4.5 GB (same for XSX' 4.8 GB/s, it can only ever do 2.4 GB/s).
93xfan
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It may for exclusives, and technically if the Unreal engine5 demo is using the full bandwidth of PS5’s SSD during the flying part, series X may need to take a little resolution hit or use lower quality textures or use less variety in textures or get rid of some parts of the scene.
I don’t imagine developers will build multi platform games using those methods. i think they’ll often use the Xbox’s SSD as the base, or even won’t go that far if it’s going to be on PC (due to minimum specs).
I think the PS5 SSD will be more often fully utilized with exclusives like Spider Man 2 (especially with fast traveling through the city), rather than Battlefield 6, for example.
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Dodkrake
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You mean 5.5, right? Because that's the uncompressed transfer rate.
Kenpachii
Member
It's not my answer to anything. Dunno what you rambling about. It's what linus uses and what PC has to offer in its best state at this point. It stomps the PS5 no matter if you like it or not. And there are far less costing and less performing CPU's on this front that stomps the PS5 any day.
Not really, as that 64 core stomps the PS5, io complex on the PS5 is meaningless towards PC.
Should google ocing, its a thing on PC. even PS5 is starting to realize it.
Maybe u skipped the part where it absolutely dwarfs the PS5 not even a little bit but 6-7 times on performance. It's basically faster if all cores are used then the whole jump from jaguar to the PS5 imagine that.
And no u don't need this hardware to beat the PS5 so your whole 500 dollar console comparison is just laughable.
It's called software not making use of it. U can buy a 64 core cpu, if software doesn't use more hten 4 cores doesn't mean the 64 core is bottlenecked. it means the software simple isn't taking it into account. See easy right?
PC has ram mate. there is no need for any of this and even then why would PC even bother using the CPU at the end of the day if they did care? they could just let cuda cores do the work at far faster results if they cared about it on top of having ram it will stomp the PS5 at its own game on every level. Through CPU, through GPU or simple through actual ram.
Linus is talking about it in the way that PC would do those tasks and where it could offload the demand towards. But he doesn't care even remotely to go in dept on it because its complete and utterly useless for PC.
Anyway u tried i guess.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
that list reminded me of that southpark dick measurement episode
Kazekage1981
Member
PC is always going to catch up and be better than console. The End.
The OP is not 'quivering' or having 'sleepless nights' cause of Cerny and June 4th. And if you want PC games to be designed around fast SSD's along with powerful CPUs, and GPUs, it is going to launch a nuclear bomb against anything consoles dare to challenge. Dont even go there …..
The OP is not 'quivering' or having 'sleepless nights' cause of Cerny and June 4th. And if you want PC games to be designed around fast SSD's along with powerful CPUs, and GPUs, it is going to launch a nuclear bomb against anything consoles dare to challenge. Dont even go there …..
Omega Supreme Holopsicon
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it won't match latency of what are likely asics in the ps5, and it won't match reliability either with raid setups.
this
and even this has massive latency 1 second of latency. compared to a few microseconds on ps5.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
loktaiextatus
Member
Wow really. Well good thing its only half that.
10.28 is 85% of 12.15. Its a 15 percent gap.
Equivalently we have like a 30 percent gap between the Xbox One X and the PS4 pro and.... sometimes you get a higher resolution or a better texture filter.
Go watch some digital foundry articles about the differences in multiplats between the PS4 pro and the XOX when thats 4.2 vs 6.0 ... a 30 percent difference.
You think youll run a game that runs at 1440p at full 4k PLUS better draw distance PLUS better raytracing with 15 percent increase in floating point ops?
I hope that works out for you. Because the 30 percent difference between the Pro and the X ended up having to knock Resident evil 3 back down
to the PS4 Pros resolution to level the framerate out.
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godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
There are also super computers that can outdo next gen consoles. The fact of the matter is that Sony introduced us to next gen with a kickass demo. Let’s hope Microsoft shows us something similarly awesome.
I wish we asked more from these companies instead of defending them vehemently.
I wish we asked more from these companies instead of defending them vehemently.
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geordiemp
Member
Is this where we are at.
When talking about fastest available for gamers to gamers.....I think that means in the gaming segmment market.
We are talking about 100 million mass market products here FFS.
I am sure there are servers and mainframes out there with I/O that is crazy....whats that got to do with gaming ?
We live in a world of stupidity
When talking about fastest available for gamers to gamers.....I think that means in the gaming segmment market.
We are talking about 100 million mass market products here FFS.
I am sure there are servers and mainframes out there with I/O that is crazy....whats that got to do with gaming ?
We live in a world of stupidity
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MoreJRPG
Suffers from extreme PDS
Based on what exactly? Anonymous sources? Xbox isn’t going to be much different from their current consoles which already are a breeze to dev for, Scorn dev has already come out and said as much so I really don’t get this narrative.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Well this could be an SSD that could be used to upgrade the PS5's internal storage. The real question is how much will it cost and how easy will it be to acquire? Based on the answers to those questions we'll really be able to determine which direction was better for storage upgrades between the two consoles.
Optimistic Gamer
Member
Of course it's not, this is a bullshit thread if your want to see it from that kiddy shit console wars side.
Also pretty much every component in modern systems is just a stack of something.
Lanrutcon
Member
But then the PS5's SSD being faster then a normal PC SSD doesn't matter? Hate to break it to you: but all these performance threads are firmly in the "hyper technical arms race" territory. That's what everyone is doing. We're talking shop about our hobby. We're all about the technically.
Edit: I mean, just read this thread for a prime example. All those numbers and tech experts. Oh my!
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loktaiextatus
Member
It does in fact seem to be multiple instances of a controller with their own memory working either in some kind of interleave stripe or similar to form a pool
like a RAID array avoiding the bottleneck of each controller by stacking them onto the BUS. So youre only limited by the PCIE bus / its interfacing lanes.
RaySoft
Member
Maybe you should take that up with the thread starter then?
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Enterprise and Data centre components far exceed capability of PS5 after sony and "devs" claim it's better than literally anything available, it MUST be secret xbox discord FUD!!!
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
No, it does matter. When you're comparing consumer grade hardware with other consumer grade hardware. Comparing consumer grade hardware to ridiculously unaffordable enterprise grade hardware doesn't matter for most realistic usage case scenarios (but it is interesting).
Yes, I'm talking about the technicality too. The difference is that I'm trying to put it into context into what it means for the average consumer.
Yes, Tim Sweeney was technically wrong in the context of the entire breadth of PC hardware, but he's right in the context of consumer hardware and most mainstream gamers (which is the demographic that is most relevant).
Trying to strip all context out of these statements and numbers for a petty console war gotcha game is stupid and unproductive.
loktaiextatus
Member
Its not a "PC" part. its a server part. The machines you';re talking about are likely to have 2, or 4, 16 core 32 thread or better CPUs, 128-512gb of memory, and dual or quad 1000-2000 watt power supplies.
This isnt a "PC" component.
daninthemix
Member
Sony belligerents really are the easiest to rile up, aren't they.