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[Krappadizzle]

I'm not against believing her, but until I see evidence I refuse to do it. Too many times these kind of accusations come out to be bullshit that it's not worth investing any emotional energy because they often result in nothing happening to either side. I'm all for punishment of assaults. I'm equally all for punishment of false claims. Neither seems to happen enough. This is why the Jussie Smollet shit became a big issue that many of us stated from the beginning, you make enough false claims across the board it takes away from the actual victims and muddies up the justice system. False claims should absolutely be punished the same as true ones.

 

[Lupin3]

Ok, what developer is this asshole working for, because it says "game localization" on his tag. I do not want to give money to this guy. Just look at his continued postings (he's been very active in trashing Joe):

Angry Joe accused of sexual harassment/predatory behaviour [Updates from both posted]

It feels unreal that this needs to be explained over and over again, but: 1. We're not in the court. Nobody is bound to follow "a due process" in order to believe the victims. 2. Studies show that the overwhelming majority of sexual assault/harassment accusations are true. 3. Many of these...

www.resetera.com

1.) YOU'RE NOT IN COURT. Fucking thank you. Yes, you are not. Instead you are an irrational, angry hate mob on the internet, trying to ruin someone's life in a she said/he said-case. Fucking thank you, you bad person.
2.) PEOPLE AREN'T STUDIES, nor statistics. On one hand you call out following due legal process as "bad", on the other hand you resort to actual facts when it's convenient? What is wrong in your head? Whether or not Joe did anything won't be answered by a study.
3.) So "no evidence" for you is enough to ruin a man's life over an evidence-less accusation. Why, aren't you a harbinger of justice (big /s)!

Yes, let's not wait - let's believe the accusation because WOMEN.

If I had the money and no crippling depression, I'd sue this guy in Joe's stead. These toxic fascists need to be fought with all our might. It's so frustrating. And *they* see themselves as the good guys here, it's so insane. The real world is overrun by rightwing fascists, but the modern media world is one of leftwing fascists reigning. It's tiring having toi point out that I'm left myself, but I'm not an authoritarian asshole. Being left means making social security better for everyone. It doesn't mean "support women and minorities and LET'S FUCKING MURDER EVERYONE ELSE!!1" ...

Edit: Apparently he's worked on Days Gone and Death Stranding. Well, that's two games off the list. And he's from Europe. Having a big mouth but hiding your exmployer? Not that it's surprising.

He/she/it/they/something is verified!

 

[oagboghi2]

Funny story, I rarely ever resort to personal insults in arguments here, and i get into alot of them. I've been called all sorts of shit for the positions I take on conversations here.

The very first time I decided to stoop down to being a piece of shit like some of the other posters here and just start overtly calling people names, i immediately got warned for "spreading SJW nonsense" in "previous threads". So people are free to say whatever they want, as long as moderation agrees with them.

And this was during the PS5 games reveal, when the forum was basically flooded with threads of people angry that black people and women were being featured as protagonists in games. I'm sure you can imagine those comments.

I honestly feel like the only reason people dont get banned/warned here more often is specifically to not be accused of being like Era.


But banning/warning policy is mostly irrelevant -- this forum's community is essentially Anti-Era in everything but moderation practice. The kind of shit people say here wouldn't only get them banned on Era, but probably most official non-exclusive forum boards on the internet.

So we are just making shit up now so you can feel like a victim?

 

[Fbh]

Good on Joe for talking the legal route.

Also kinda off topic but I find it funny that even in an official statement denying sexual harassment "Other Joe" is still just "Other Joe"

Hm, I don't like admitting when I'm wrong, but this may be the more damning thing I've seen. Usually the people who lie I would think they would make up stuff after the fact, let's say 2 years later, but if this is referring to AngryJoe, than we can at least say that she was always uncomfortable by the situation.

Even still, I feel that she's a bit of a child. She comes across as immature, and think everything that makes her uncomfortable must be some kind of criminal offense, which it isn't. She think it's harassment if a man hits on a woman, especially when they don't know they have a boyfriend.

At most it proves she was upset about it then too.
I honestly do believe the whole encounter made her uncomfortable, but it doesn't mean everything played out exactly as she says and I definitely don't think it's something worth "cancelling" Joe over.

Many of these things are way too subjective. What for one person might be perceived as "this person is vocal about not liking people using their phone while talking to him", for someone else might be "This person isn't allowing me to use my phone because he doesn't want me contacting my friends"

 

[DragoonKain]

Ok, what developer is this asshole working for, because it says "game localization" on his tag. I do not want to give money to this guy. Just look at his continued postings (he's been very active in trashing Joe):

Angry Joe accused of sexual harassment/predatory behaviour [Updates from both posted]

It feels unreal that this needs to be explained over and over again, but: 1. We're not in the court. Nobody is bound to follow "a due process" in order to believe the victims. 2. Studies show that the overwhelming majority of sexual assault/harassment accusations are true. 3. Many of these...

www.resetera.com

1.) YOU'RE NOT IN COURT. Fucking thank you. Yes, you are not. Instead you are an irrational, angry hate mob on the internet, trying to ruin someone's life in a she said/he said-case. Fucking thank you, you bad person.
2.) PEOPLE AREN'T STUDIES, nor statistics. On one hand you call out following due legal process as "bad", on the other hand you resort to actual facts when it's convenient? What is wrong in your head? Whether or not Joe did anything won't be answered by a study.
3.) So "no evidence" for you is enough to ruin a man's life over an evidence-less accusation. Why, aren't you a harbinger of justice (big /s)!

Yes, let's not wait - let's believe the accusation because WOMEN.

If I had the money and no crippling depression, I'd sue this guy in Joe's stead. These toxic fascists need to be fought with all our might. It's so frustrating. And *they* see themselves as the good guys here, it's so insane. The real world is overrun by rightwing fascists, but the modern media world is one of leftwing fascists reigning. It's tiring having toi point out that I'm left myself, but I'm not an authoritarian asshole. Being left means making social security better for everyone. It doesn't mean "support women and minorities and LET'S FUCKING MURDER EVERYONE ELSE!!1" ...

Edit: Apparently he's worked on Days Gone and Death Stranding. Well, that's two games off the list. And he's from Europe. Having a big mouth but hiding your exmployer? Not that it's surprising.

What this moron doesn't seem to understand is that belief and reality operate irrespective of one another. You can both believe whatever person you want, and also acknowledge you don't know what actually happened. That site forgets about the latter. There's a huge difference between "I believe her, let's see what happens" and "I believe her ANGRY JOE IS A PIECE OF SHIT, CANCEL HIM!"

Belief should not eliminate logic, reason, and rationality.

And he's wrong about his last point btw. Victims just want people to listen to them. They want someone to take them seriously. Belief by victims of the general public is irrelevant, what matters is law enforcement. How self-important does one have to be to think that a bunch of random anonymous nobodies on a video game forum impacts how many victims speak out? Good grief.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

His #2 point is what gets me.

The incredible thing is that this point is exactly the same as "blacks commit most of the crimes in comparison to %, so they all are criminals"
Yet one is "good talking point" from the left point of view, while the other one "that's racist" Classic hypocricy.

 

[SpongebobSquaredance]

Are there current day statistics of rape/sexual harassment accusations and how many of them actually turn out to be true or false?

 

[Hero_Select]

Then stop posting there. It’s a shitshow, populated by cowards, bigots and people who can’t handle different perspectives.

Honestly yeah, there's no use in replying to anything there when the mods are so trigger happy with bans and take every dissenting opinion as you either being racist or sexist.

 

[ShadowNate]

What this moron doesn't seem to understand is that belief and reality operate irrespective of one another. You can both believe whatever person you want, and also acknowledge you don't know what actually happened. That site forgets about the latter. There's a huge difference between "I believe her, let's see what happens" and "I believe her ANGRY JOE IS A PIECE OF SHIT, CANCEL HIM!"

Belief should not eliminate logic, reason, and rationality.

And he's wrong about his last point btw. Victims just want people to listen to them. They want someone to take them seriously. Belief by victims of the general public is irrelevant, what matters is law enforcement. How self-important does one have to be to think that a bunch of random anonymous nobodies on a video game forum impacts how many victims speak out? Good grief.

This is pretty much the reason why it's backwards to get a forum "ban" or a blanket response "Believe all women" to a post about how there should be proper due process and how this is all an subjective account of events at best.

Sure, empathize if you know them, if the situation sounds familiar, or it personally affects you. Believe even in the possibility that they are actually trying to be truthful (albeit why on twitter god damn it?). But be judge and jury when it's not your place to do so? In a public court full of crazy and also people with their own agendas?

How do you defend that? How do you not see that that's the end result?

 

[Grinchy]

Are there current day statistics of rape/sexual harassment accusations and how many of them actually turn out to be true or false?

Well, one of the mods over at REEsetera says that "studies" show that the vast majority of the accusations turn out to be true.

I think we can trust their vague claim about these "studies" as concrete proof that the claim is correct.

edit- that thread is back now.

 

[INC]

They nuked it? Wonder if they also got a CnD.......lol

Is the sticky still there about it?

 

[OutrageousFacts]

They nuked it? Wonder if they also got a CnD.......lol

Is the sticky still there about it?

Yeah, what happened? I had a tab open but it said "thread doesn't exist anymore". But this thread still exists. What did they remove?

Btw I love how that thread died down after one guy told how he spent 2 weeks in prison for a false-accusation because everybody "believed" the woman and only got out through lucky evidence.

 

[Siri]

I don’t understand the whole purse thing - is she saying he took away her purse with her phone in it? If so, then who did he give it to? This, to me, sounds like something you’d call the police about.

 

[Kazekage1981]

I think angry joe is cute

 

[ShadowLag]

They edited the moderator message in the thread:

Definitely better wording, however they should probably also add "in addition, angry pitchfork hate mobs aimed at the accused will also not be tolerated". But yeah, that won't get added, anywhere, ever on the site.

I'm not advocating for or against Joe and I hate picking on other sites, but damn, their influence is undeniable and it can/has hurt peoples' careers that don't deserve it.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

I'm not advocating for or against Joe and I hate picking on other sites, but damn, their influence is undeniable and it can/has hurt peoples' careers that don't deserve it.

I wonder if some of those guys advocating for believing victims all the time will accept with the smile when somebody will accuse them of harassment and he gets fired as a result.

The public operates on emotions. That's why the mob mentality term exists. I do think that we are coming towards the collapse of the age of information - too many people prefer believing than knowing. People should start using critical thinking because so far everything points toward mob lynching in the society.

Still, it is interesting how the mob lynching is different on the west and on the east. West went further in its development and there it is more media lynching, while on the east it is a classic - groups of people beat or kill other people.

 

[SpongebobSquaredance]

Well, one of the mods over at REEsetera says that "studies" show that the vast majority of the accusations turn out to be true. I'd link it, but they nuked the entire thread from existence.

Which studies are they referring to though?

 

[ShadowLag]

Still, it is interesting how the mob lynching is different on the west and on the east. West went further in its development and there it is more media lynching, while on the east it is a classic - groups of people beat or kill other people.

Don't worry, the west is catching up on the beating and killing front. Just look at what's happening right now in the streets of our major cities.

 

[Lupin3]

What this moron doesn't seem to understand is that belief and reality operate irrespective of one another. You can both believe whatever person you want, and also acknowledge you don't know what actually happened. That site forgets about the latter. There's a huge difference between "I believe her, let's see what happens" and "I believe her ANGRY JOE IS A PIECE OF SHIT, CANCEL HIM!"

Belief should not eliminate logic, reason, and rationality.

And he's wrong about his last point btw. Victims just want people to listen to them. They want someone to take them seriously. Belief by victims of the general public is irrelevant, what matters is law enforcement. How self-important does one have to be to think that a bunch of random anonymous nobodies on a video game forum impacts how many victims speak out? Good grief.

I don't think they forget, they just don't care about it since it may break their narrative. But yeah, spot on.

 

[TheTechnician]

Thread about his response disapeared on Resetera :

https://www.resetera.com/threads/an...ual-assault-allegations.234028/#post-37878064


What is this now? Thread narrative was leaning to much towards AngryJoe?! What a pathetic Place that is.. yukk

 

[Grinchy]

Which studies are they referring to though?

Banned- Dismissing concerns for sexual assault victims in a sensitive thread.

 

[OutrageousFacts]

Thread about his response disapeared on Resetera :

https://www.resetera.com/threads/an...ual-assault-allegations.234028/#post-37878064


What is this now? Thread narrative was leaning to much towards AngryJoe?! What a pathetic Place that is.. yukk

I'd almost bet ResetEra admins are scared of actual repercussions from Joe's lawyer. Has this case been talked about as strongly on the internet, outside of Twitter, anywhere else? Resetera acted as a big catalyst for shitting on Joe. Don't want take too much of a risk ...

 

[TheTechnician]

I'd almost bet ResetEra admins are scared of actual repercussions from Joe's lawyer. Has this case been talked about as strongly on the internet, outside of Twitter, anywhere else? Resetera acted as a big catalyst for shitting on Joe. Don't want take too much of a risk ...

Okay , but then why is the initial Accusation Thread still running?! One would think the first Thread about it caused the most damage to him..
But actually i would love to see that vile Place getting sued to hells end.

 

[TLZ]

Kenny G with an ugly ass bull nose ring? Is that the b accusing him? If so, it doesn't look much like a lady. And resetera involved, it's all adding up.

That's what I thought at first but it's not him.

 

[LoV]

It seems all you need to do is get a lawyer involved and everything is solved.

Good for Joe.

 

[JTCx]

lmao dumb fucks thought they could just go to twitter and raise pitchforks. Now that legal action is involved they all scatter like roaches.

 

[OutrageousFacts]

Angry Joe accused of sexual harassment/predatory behaviour [Updates from both posted]

Just because she accused him doesn't make it true either. What happened to due process? Anyone can make an accusation and people immediately believing the accuser unequivocally is not right.

www.resetera.com

Banned in 3, 2, 1 ...

LOL, he actually was banned. This is sad.

 

[Darth]

LOL, he actually was banned. This is sad.

“It is unavoidable”

 

[BluRayHiDef]

LOL, he actually was banned. This is sad.

Disturbing.

 

[Stiflers Mom]

Absolutely. It's just that when the authority refuses to acknowledge that bias, it becomes obvious what kind of place you're dealing with.



I mean yeah i totally get this. I'm just saying that there's little point to "surviving" here when your opinions are questioned at best and outright mocked at worse just by virtue of where they come from. And it's not like i'm talking about random topics -- topics on GAF pop up with obvious right-wing bias from the start, even gaming topics don't avoid this kind of conversation.



i mean, their moderators are insane. No argument.



Just to be clear, I'm not debating whether or not you're more "free" here, or whether Era is an echo chamber or not. It absolutely 100% without a doubt is, and you are more free here. What I said was "cultivating" or "embracing" of opinions happens no more on GAF than on Era. Any real dissent towards right-leaning conversation here rarely results in any meaningful interaction by way of people learning anything.

What YOU'RE talking about is whether or not GAF tolerates opposing opinions, which, of course, they do. But says nothing about GAF's capacity to actually host diverse opinions or nuanced conversation, which is entirely dependent on its community.

This is a community where current threads in the Politics sections includes threads like:

How do you stop the spread/propagation of woke culture if the woke left controls the news media, social media, and tech?

BLM = Black Lies Metastasis

Tim Pool - epic conversation & rant on the culture war, and why we need to stop kneeling to the mob


And these aren't joke threads, they're played straight and literal. And that's just the politics section:

If every future story/narrative in videogames will now focus on woke-ism I want Video Games to be cancelled.

This is an inherently politically-charged thread from the GAMING section.


There is no space for liberal discourse here, it's too far leaned. You're free to speak, absolutely, but to claim GAF isn't an echo chamber simply because you aren't banned for speaking is kind of diluting the definition of what an echo chamber is -- Era is a forced echo chamber, but you don't require such extreme moderation to have one.



Without a doubt

Woke is not liberal. That's what you get wrong.

 

[dlbeast]

So we are just making shit up now so you can feel like a victim?

I am so sick of this bs. what is this guys agenda anyways? Not you, but the REEE type of guy you are replying too. I think the mod made it clear with evidence, to clear things up.....yet he continues his bs. Ban the fucker already, and save time.

 

[Jtibh]

They're stubborn lunatics who, once they have made up their (hive)mind, refuse to ever change it.

I wouldn't pay much attention to them; going by Joe's twitter replies alone his fanbase isn't buying it at all and is rallying around him.

Edit: He posted this too -

Said it before and say it again.

Angry joe is a walking baboon who screams out loud to every shiny thing and every lovely ass DAT LOOK GOOOOD

 

[BadBurger]

I don't know Joe from Adam but you always wait for the facts. Also the guy saying he "looks like a degenerate"? What do latino dudes look suspicious? wtf

 

[Gifmaker]

Thread about his response disapeared on Resetera :

https://www.resetera.com/threads/an...ual-assault-allegations.234028/#post-37878064


What is this now? Thread narrative was leaning to much towards AngryJoe?! What a pathetic Place that is.. yukk

I think they merged the threads together actually.

LOL, he actually was banned. This is sad.

The most fucked up thing about this is that it deliberately frames a sincere counterargument as "trolling". The same thing happened to me. I pointed out that it's ridiculous to see certain Magic cards as problematic only because they target "white" or "black" creatures", and got banned for "concern trolling". It immediately conjures a narrative that my (sincere, and not concerned at all) point is supposedly so dishonest that it cannot be meant seriously at all, which I take issue with. If I'm trolling, I don't do it in political or sensitive threads.

 

[Siri]

This could actually end up exposing ResetEra for what it is: a crackpot forum run by dictators who are basically silencing anyone who has an opinion counter to theirs (and even going one step further by labelling people as bigots or racists).

It’s time for an exodus.

 

[SpongebobSquaredance]

Banned- Dismissing concerns for sexual assault victims in a sensitive thread.

So there are no studies? Just claiming there are studies?

 

[nush]

So there are no studies? Just claiming there are studies?

s.t.u.d.i.e.s did they stutter?

studies made by top men.

 

[Grinchy]

So there are no studies? Just claiming there are studies?

lol who knows with them. There was one time where the transgender sports debate was going on, and they found a single study conducted by a transgender person that concluded in some way that a man transitioning to a woman lost all testosterone advantage within some small time frame.

So they decided that it was concrete and anyone who dared to question the notion that biological men have an advantage in women's sports leagues were banned immediately. Because hey, that one random "study" was complete proof that cannot be questioned. This topic is the same. The claim is that there is a study, so no one is allowed to suggest that a woman's accusation may be a lie.

 

[ZZZZ]

He just finished TLOU2.
That review is going to be spicy.

 

[Neolombax]

I bothered to actually go read whats happening on that thread on REEE. My God there really is no room for discussion there, at all. Its like talking to a cult. They are saying that most of the time in sexual abuse cases, victims are always right and can show little to no proof. Hence, one must believe women. My question is this, whats stopping any woman from abusing this? I've met a few of scum women in my life, so how does this "believe women" take these characters into the equation? The whole thing just isn't summing up in my brain.

What if the story was, Angry Joe was the one who claimed this women sexually abused him or displayed this creepy behavior towards him. Would REEE then blame this woman, and "protect" Joe?

 

[Neofire]

One question, why did she wait so long to say something, if what he allegedly did was do heinous?

 

[sxodan]

Ok, what developer is this asshole working for, because it says "game localization" on his tag. I do not want to give money to this guy. Just look at his continued postings (he's been very active in trashing Joe):

Angry Joe accused of sexual harassment/predatory behaviour [Updates from both posted]

It feels unreal that this needs to be explained over and over again, but: 1. We're not in the court. Nobody is bound to follow "a due process" in order to believe the victims. 2. Studies show that the overwhelming majority of sexual assault/harassment accusations are true. 3. Many of these...

www.resetera.com

1.) YOU'RE NOT IN COURT. Fucking thank you. Yes, you are not. Instead you are an irrational, angry hate mob on the internet, trying to ruin someone's life in a she said/he said-case. Fucking thank you, you bad person.
2.) PEOPLE AREN'T STUDIES, nor statistics. On one hand you call out following due legal process as "bad", on the other hand you resort to actual facts when it's convenient? What is wrong in your head? Whether or not Joe did anything won't be answered by a study.
3.) So "no evidence" for you is enough to ruin a man's life over an evidence-less accusation. Why, aren't you a harbinger of justice (big /s)!

Yes, let's not wait - let's believe the accusation because WOMEN.

If I had the money and no crippling depression, I'd sue this guy in Joe's stead. These toxic fascists need to be fought with all our might. It's so frustrating. And *they* see themselves as the good guys here, it's so insane. The real world is overrun by rightwing fascists, but the modern media world is one of leftwing fascists reigning. It's tiring having toi point out that I'm left myself, but I'm not an authoritarian asshole. Being left means making social security better for everyone. It doesn't mean "support women and minorities and LET'S FUCKING MURDER EVERYONE ELSE!!1" ...

Edit: Apparently he's worked on Days Gone and Death Stranding. Well, that's two games off the list. And he's from Europe. Having a big mouth but hiding your exmployer? Not that it's surprising.

So, I'm gonna write an email to Sony/devs about this. Let them know that this behaviour is unacceptable and that they should be looking at these types of posts, these are their employees after all.

 

[nush]

One question, why did she wait so long to say something, if what he allegedly did was do heinous?

Because this week it's the hot thing to accuse men of harassment. No, really.

 

[TLZ]

Said it before and say it again.

Angry joe is a walking baboon who screams out loud to every shiny thing and every lovely ass DAT LOOK GOOOOD

Have you seen him do it? People don't act the same irl like they act on youtube.

 

[OutrageousFacts]

I like how this thread on Resetera has completely died, not from thread closure, but because of some subtle hivemind-like agreement a la "hey guys, he's probably really innocent, but we can't ever admit that, so let's just stop posting in this thread and make it appear". As happened so many times in the past, when facts arise that aren't in favor of their chosen outcome.

 

[Bogey]

I bothered to actually go read whats happening on that thread on REEE. My God there really is no room for discussion there, at all. Its like talking to a cult. They are saying that most of the time in sexual abuse cases, victims are always right and can show little to no proof. Hence, one must believe women.

(Aside from the fact there's no way to properly estimate how many accusations are right or wrong - no, researchers can't look into people's minds either, so all scientific models are by definition heavily based on unprovable assumptions)

Next time there's a shooting in Chicago, perpetrator unknown. I dare anyone to go on Ree and post it was clearly committed by a black guy, because that's statistically the most likely scenario. I'm sure that would go down very well over there.

.. wait, it would be insanely stupid to make such a claim purely based on statistics? Well, exactly.

 

[Kokoloko85]

Did she deny having a boyfriend or did i hear/read wrong?

 

[Sony]

Edit: nvm.

 

[FranXico]

Guys, just because he defended himself doesn't mean he's innocent. However, just because he was accused, he is guilty. Please follow these guidelines or get banned.

I don't see anybody there "waiting for information".

 

[Redlight]

Are there current day statistics of rape/sexual harassment accusations and how many of them actually turn out to be true or false?

The truth is that no-one knows for sure. It's certainly not as simple as that Resetera poster suggested (no surprise there). Only a small number of rape claims are objectively proven to be false. It's that percentage that people often use to justify the idea that everyone accused should be assumed to be guilty because 'false claims are so rare'.

However that figure doesn't mean that every other case was objectively proven to be true. In fact nobody can know how many of the other claims are false, some studies suggest up to 40%, however that high figure is as unlikely as the ridiculously low figures often used for political purposes.

There's a good article here...

What We Don't Know About False Claims of Rape

The best studies don't say what activists think they say.

www.bloomberg.com