pasterpl
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BadBreathOfTheWild
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The recent PS5 event said everything shown was captured real time on a PS5.
The Unreal Engine 5 tech demo was captured directly from a PS5 HDMI port according to Epic themselves.
Neo Blaster
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Oh, another neo account, busy Sunday...
Talk to me when 'captured on PS5' and 'in-game representative of expected gameplay on XSX' are the same thing.
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Deleted member 775630
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And the developers themselves saying that it will have a 120fps mode on the XSX. But if you want to start questioning developers go ahead.
zaitsu
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Buy a PC you would get 120 fps much more often.
Gamerguy84
Member
DF is going to have a hard job next gen deciphering resolution and whos using VRS (or equivalent) and where.
Sinthor
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I think it's pretty professional, maybe you didn't read about it. Most casuals like us won't be able to enjoy it. I'm more than sure it'll be used by flight academies/colleges more than usual gamers.
And about google, sorry it's actually Bing Maps, the google competitor map alternative:
Bing Maps Make the Revived Flight Simulator Eerily Realistic
The 3D mapping, along with data and technical guidance from avionics manufacturers, make Microsoft’s long-loved flying program more than just a game.www.wired.com
It's wonderful, or let's say mind-blowing. But I can't see casuals playing it? There is another extreme jet fighter game that you spend like 1-2 hours to reach location and can after that get hit with one bullet and you lose all that shit. You might have a headache from this 12 minutes alone that's extremely overwhelming:
Those games are extremely hard and have limited audience. It's not a massive console seller, if it's meant to be released on xbox consoles to begin with.
Wow, that looks so incredible every time I see things on it. That's really a great thing for people who are super technical or are professional pilots! I used to know all the operational procedures for the space shuttle for take off, orbital maneuvers and landing. There were books and documents you could get for that as well. I would have LOVED to have something like this to use that knowledge with, so I can totally get the appeal of this both for pilots or for just average people who want the challenge of learning to operate these planes for real and then realistically fly them. Adding the 'game' simulated missions and such is just fantastic as well as it lets people put that knowledge and skill to the test.
So honestly, I hope this is hugely successful and that it drives more realistic simulators in other areas. Imaging having this but being able to pilot a Space X launch or something like that? Cool stuff!
thebigmanjosh
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Guys I switched my TV on and started to play COD WWll and & the screen looks like this, any idea??
It’s a specific issue with COD WW2’s engine. I have the same problem on my TCL 6 series and there are too many squares for it to be the local dimming.
Great Hair
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The only advantage so far the XSX gpu has over the PS5 one is raytracing. Does it matter, if the XSX can display 10giga rays and the PS5 "just" 8? What´s better?
A gpu 500mhz slower, but having 20% more giga rays?
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A gpu 500mhz faster, but having 20% less giga rays?
3liteDragon
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Neo Blaster
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Where is that about the Xbox engineer? Didn't read that anywhere.
So, the guy said it would be harder for developers to optimize for variable clocks. However, Cerny himself said in the deep dive devs wouldn't have to worry about optimizing at all. Sorry, but I prefer to believe PS5 lead architect.
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LED Guy?
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Well well well, Phil Spencer a couple of days ago said that the differences between PS5 & XSX are so small even in resolution to the point he went on to hype up what they'll show in their July event in terms of their exclusives and what THEY think is special, rather than the power advantage, which is almost nonexistent as he put it.
That tells many guys on here and the gaming community that the differences between 10.3 TF (maybe more efficient because it is running at a higher clock frequency) VS 12 TF is so small that especially now with all those up-scaling techniques & all those "defying pixel-counting" as Digital Foundry have put it these days with the Unreal 5 demo running on PS5, that tells you something.
That tells many guys on here and the gaming community that the differences between 10.3 TF (maybe more efficient because it is running at a higher clock frequency) VS 12 TF is so small that especially now with all those up-scaling techniques & all those "defying pixel-counting" as Digital Foundry have put it these days with the Unreal 5 demo running on PS5, that tells you something.
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geordiemp
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They are bad because MS engineer says their version is better - does not have ps5 dev kit.
Cerny says ps5 version is good, Epic and tim sweeny says ps5 is great, both have ps5 dev kits.
Whatever.
MS engineer sweating about ps5 ?
I dont hear Sony engineers trying to FUD xbox.
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Wraith Phantom
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We are still waiting for XSX to show us better visuals then the unreal 5. All this more powerful hardware talk. All we have seen is trailers running on 2080TI. With representative on xsx footage nonsense.
Where is XSX unreal 5 level visuals. We are still waiting for this power.
Where is XSX unreal 5 level visuals. We are still waiting for this power.
FranXico
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Well, sure thing! I shall take the comments of an Xbox developer about a competing console for which he doesn't even have a devkit at face value...
BadBreathOfTheWild
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It’s arguable that if you can see VRS happening at all it’s perhaps not being used correctly. If you can see it being used in a compressed YouTube video it absolutely isn’t being used properly.
saintjules
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Reliving the past
Gamerguy84
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Oh yeah. Although I was thinking of their 300x zooming they do. Lol Im looking forward to how they handle next gen.
pasterpl
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where did he said that?
MasterCornholio
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Just one game? Ok I'll take that into account with games on the ps5 as well. As long as there's one game at 120FPS then that's possible on the system.
FranXico
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;tldr:
John: "Oh dear, it's worse than I remember"
Rich: "It really wasn't that bad! Nice games! I liked Kinect!"
FranXico
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He didn't quite say that, rather he warned people to keep their expectations in check regarding the generational jump. That's quite a bit different.Well well well, Phil Spencer a couple of days ago said that the differences between PS5 & XSX are so small even in resolution to the point he went on to hype up what they'll show in their July event in terms of their exclusives and what THEY think is special, rather than the power advantage, which is almost nonexistent as he put it.
That tells many guys on here and the gaming community that the differences between 10.3 TF (maybe more efficient because it is running at a higher clock frequency) VS 12 TF is so small that especially now with all those up-scaling techniques & all those "defying pixel-counting" as Digital Foundry have put it these days with the Unreal 5 demo running on PS5, that tells you something.
geordiemp
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Yup, I read that as we have a lot of cross gen games to show, will look better on XSX, but not much different to a PC running a current game today.
IF MS have allot of cross gen stuff to show, the presentation and narrative will be all about frame rates.
I noticed phil was also talking about game feel already in another interview, so that suggests its cross gen games mainly.
I hope there is a few XSX only games. I want Jaguar games to die.
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kensama
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They are not lying.
But been able to have Dirt 5 Xbox one version running on XSX at 120fps is not difficult.
Would liek to see a dirt 5 next gen version running at 120fps by the way.
Yep proof are on video from the event should take glasses if you have or time to go to ophthalmology.
And from may event of MS all video were with a disclaimer taht it was the gameplay footage "expected " that's the difference between Sony event and MS event. One (Sony) shown real gameplay or from the console graphism other (MS) shown game not running on XSX
LED Guy?
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Wow, funny enough, I got that from a Colteastwood video that I watched a couple of days ago LOL!!
My mistake then.
3liteDragon
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Wait does YouTube support 120FPS videos?
Insane Metal
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Typical Rich. He was XBone's biggest fanboy. And still is apparently.
Neo Blaster
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They were having trouble counting pixels on that UE5 demo, job is going to be very hard for them next gen.
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Deleted member 775630
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Lol what? The 120fps comment is on PS3...
HawarMiran
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I hope we see games soon that aren't possible in this gen. I know we saw some already, but I mean games that will be obviously only playable on next gen. For example a game with big crowds. It is too early to show a Days Gone sequel stuff but imagine the Hordes :O with cloth physics, soft body physics etc. Some game that makes me go " Oh shit I need to hop on next-gen right fucking now!"
Neo Blaster
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Nope. If we thought it was hard to show true 4k to the public a few years ago, let's see them demonstrate 120fps.
Thirty7ven
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What a surprise.
MasterCornholio
Member
What does the PS3 have to do with the PS5 supporting 120FPS?
Thirty7ven
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Microsoft: We Could Have Used Variable Clocks for Xbox Series X, But We're Not Interested in TFLOPS Numbers
Microsoft's Jason Ronald said that the Xbox Series X could have used variable clocks like the PS5, but the company isn't looking to boast higher TFLOPS.
www.wccftech.com
PaintTinJr
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Well I'm not sure where I'm going wrong, because I went back to the GDC video and he says "effectively constant power" and describes them providing more than enough power, then ramping up clocks on the CPU and GPU to the limit of the cooling solution - presummably using typical workloads, rather than maximums- and then taking that power draw as the maximum, meaning workload that would exceed that power draw gets downclocked to maintain constant power draw, and obviously stay within the limits of the quiet cooling solution.
Knitted Knight
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Heh.... been spreading low key FUD on the PS5 price. Telegraphed that in the PS5 reveal coverage and followed up with a proper article/video. "Storing bad news"... as if he wasn't smart enough to understand what everyone else can rationalize. That Sony are playing price chicken with MS to avoid getting undercut value wise, and to avoid being unable to adjust. He's well aware of the position this puts Microsoft in July. MS been putting info on the console since 2019, including a hardware reveal. Not a peep about price. I'm amused by his game.
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Tiago07
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This is exactly what I don't like in MS PR.
MS always says "PlayStation is not our competitor" but every time someone from MS talks something related to PlayStation. Go to Aaron Twitter, and you see how much he tries to downplay the PS5, Spencer saying about XSX to downplay something in PS5 and now this MS engineer.
MS PR is basically talks on "most powerful console guys", " PS5 is not so good look to the most powerful console".
I don't mind in the talk "The most powerful console" but in the direct downplay by them.
But we never see any of Sony engineers or even Mark Cerny saying "look at how slow is XSX SSD" or "We build a strong system to remove bottlenecks, I don't think they (xbox) have done this".
Sony is who acting like MS does not exist, not MS with Sony.
But we have already shutdown the misleadings about PS5 in this thread, and even about the clocks what MS Engineer said.
Sony doesn't do a PR, they have devs talking about the Ps5 and even Epic.
MS have to know talk in console is about games, the other things is more PC or they showing for us what "the most powerful console can do and the less 2TF console can't" (Something that I really don't belive that exists).
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Deleted member 775630
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Nothing, I never said anything about PS5. Someone said that Spencer lies, and I said that if Spencer says XSX will have games that support 120fps that will be at least true in his case. It was a joke referring back to the PS3 Era when Sony was boasting about the power of the PS3 and that games would be able to run at 120fps.
MasterCornholio
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I almost forgot about that since it was such a long time ago. However the PS5 also promises to support 120FPs which I don't doubt will happen with some games. We will just have to wait and see what those games will be like on the system.
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Deleted member 775630
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Yeah I think so too. There is no reason for XSX to support this but not the PS5. Very similar CPU's and just drop the resolution a bit on GPU to make it happen
MasterCornholio
Member
I was merely making a reference to the PS5s HDMI port. It can definitely output 120FPs so I dont see why some games won't run at that framerate.
Just a little prediction but I think Dirt will run at 120FPs on the PS5. The developers haven't confirmed that yet because they are not allowed to talk about the PS5 version due to the marketing deal that they have.
Sethbacca
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Easy enough to hit 120fps on XSX when you're developing for 4tf as your baseline.....
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BattleScar
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Those things can be true.Microsoft: We Could Have Used Variable Clocks for Xbox Series X, But We're Not Interested in TFLOPS Numbers
Microsoft's Jason Ronald said that the Xbox Series X could have used variable clocks like the PS5, but the company isn't looking to boast higher TFLOPS.
But the likelihood is, be it through 1:1 feature parity or through analogous technologies, the PS5 also has those capabilities. And it has double the raw speed.
This really should not be up for debate.
Neo Blaster
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Funny, the article title says they don't care about TFLOPS numbers, but who came bragging about 12TF when XSX's first specs reveal happened?Microsoft: We Could Have Used Variable Clocks for Xbox Series X, But We're Not Interested in TFLOPS Numbers
Microsoft's Jason Ronald said that the Xbox Series X could have used variable clocks like the PS5, but the company isn't looking to boast higher TFLOPS.
It's curious Sony never talks a damn bit about XSX, but MS seems to be always reacting to every info about PS5.
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pasterpl
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Microsoft: We Could Have Used Variable Clocks for Xbox Series X, But We're Not Interested in TFLOPS Numbers
Microsoft's Jason Ronald said that the Xbox Series X could have used variable clocks like the PS5, but the company isn't looking to boast higher TFLOPS.
how come we believe everything coming from Sony and treating any statements from MS as bs?
3liteDragon
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Man I can’t wait for the teardown, I feel like people will appreciate the design more once they see the teardown.
Neo Blaster
Member
Are we really talking about what a MS engineer said about PS5 over what Cerny, console lead architect, already said?
zaitsu
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Sony isn't talking about XSX at all. MS has no class.
Gamernyc78
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Thy saw Sony's presentation and are trying to react accordingly. Thyve been doing tht this whole next Gen talk. Thy just don't have the firepower for it right now though or the caliber of studios. I bet thy scrapped all the monthlys to try to do a big blowout tht matches or at least comes close to what Sony showed
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