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Angry Joe reviews The Last of Us Part II (Story spoilers obv.)
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Just finished watching it. He's pretty much spot on as I agree with him completely.
Explosive Zombie
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Hey guys, look, it's a Suicide Squad fan telling us what good writing is.
Musky_Cheese
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Not even 3 minutes in and lol
Xaero Gravity
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You'll be ok
Stuart360
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Explosive Zombie
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I know you guys will look for confirmation bias anywhere you can find it but you can't really respect Joe as a critic can you?
Dacon
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If I remember correctly, Joe's review of Suicide Squad pointed out the writing was a mess and some of the characters in the movie were terrible, but he enjoyed it despite that.
You can like something and still admit its faults, if you're an adult anyway.
Xaero Gravity
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I'm not always the biggest fan of how he presents them, but I often find he makes good points. And if you think I'm looking for any sort of confirmation bias, then that's going to be a substantial swing and a miss on your part lol. I've been called an Xbot, Sony Pony, PC Snob, and whatever the hell Nintendo fans are called. Fanboy dipshits need to make up their minds on whatever label I am.
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squallheart
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Lol This was funny. His points were spot on and 6/10 is what i gave it. I predict if they make a 3rd ellie will probably sacrifice herself for the cure.
Chromata
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Not gonna lie, this was one of the most disappointing reviews I've seen from him. Angry Joe typically has detailed reviews so I was surprised to see him resort to the surface level "bad writing" criticisms that I'd expect from others. Not to mention that going after Neil Druckmann himself is unprofessional.
He also completely missed the point of the game and walked out of certain sections of it. He's still one of my favorite reviewers because of his track record, but this was definitely not a good one in my opinion.
He also completely missed the point of the game and walked out of certain sections of it. He's still one of my favorite reviewers because of his track record, but this was definitely not a good one in my opinion.
Falcs
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He's certainly much more trustworthy than the mean stream critics and game "journalists".
Also, obligatory...
Why does this guy always get his own thread?!!?!?!!?
Explosive Zombie
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He called it "awesome" and asked what the critics were thinking.
But he doesn't make any good points in this video. He's fine when talking about gameplay but his idea of good writing is crap.
Stuart360
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He gave the first game a 10/10.
"How dare you people like someone I don't like? Don't you know my opinion is the only valid one?"
Halo is Back
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You don't need to keep defending this game bro. Neil will be just fine.
Xaero Gravity
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cOnFiRmAtIoN bIaS!
Explosive Zombie
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We also don't need another new thread about the game. I'm not simply defending it anyways, plenty of critics I haven't gotten on over it but it's the legitimacy people give to someone like Joe that offends my sensibilities in this case, because the guy is a mongoloid.
Dacon
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So? He said he went it with very low expectations and enjoyed the movie. How does that somehow disqualify him from having an opinion on what good writing is?
He gives reasons and examples as to why he thought the writing was bad and unsatisfying. Why don't you explain why his opinion is somehow invalid?
Do you have any idea how fragile you sound? This is pathetic.
This is coming from someone like me who has actually butted heads with Joe before in his comments section, I don't even like the guy much personally, his politics are terrible but I'm not going to get butthurt about him.
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StreetsofBeige
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I'll watch his video another day, but saw when I clicked it it's 43 or 48 minutes.
Good to see Joe not hold back. I skipped right to the end and saw the 6/10 and how disappointed he was.
Whereas other web sites are happy to get free swag and early copies so they post a review at midnight ASAP, Joe takes his time. Game came out almost two weeks ago. The other 100 websites whose goal is to get as many early clicks as possible can learn a thing or too about reviewing media.
Stuart360
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Dont worry, there are plenty of other independant Youtube and Streamer reviewers that didnt like the game as well. Take your pick.
StreetsofBeige
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And that rumour weeks ago about ND and Sony purposely not sending early copies to YTubers and streamers was correct.
Send copies to game sites and they eat it up, looking for more free shit for the next game that is time to promote.
But as the rumour was, sending early copies to streamers is more "unpredictable" what they will do because they don't have a corporate umbrella to suck up revenue streams. Many of them have normal jobs and do it as a hobby so they have no allegiance to advertising deals or needing sales to pay for an office kind of thing.
Good on Sony for figuring that out.
Not good for gamers wanting more level headed reviews without that carrot dangling in front of their face...... which in gaming resembles either a game disc or a wad of cash.
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Xaero Gravity
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I haven't beaten the game yet, but I can't say I've seen any major issues with the writing, so I can't say I agree with him at this present time. That being said, it doesn't mean I'm going to completely dismiss Joe's opinion. The fact that you were so quick to brush me off and cry "confirmation bias" tells me all I need to know about your stance on this, and I'm not looking to waste my time on Officer Doofy-like fanboys tonight.
TGO
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And what does that say
Gamerguy84
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Its great you guys got these last minute victories. I dont get it because Ive never taken an interest in other platforms scores but hey..
Congrats..
Stick around we have Ghosts next month..
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Congrats..
Stick around we have Ghosts next month..
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Lionel Richie
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No need to call him that friend, I'm sure you and him can work it out. Maybe over drinks.
Xaero Gravity
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Are you seriously trying to get a minor to drink with Angry Joe? The dude already has enough on his plate with the allegations. Mods halp
Halo is Back
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Danjin44
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Thats would be fine, but we have lots of thread about TLOU2......a lot. the game already is out, some people liked it and some didn't, how long are people on NeoGAF going obsess over this game? There are other games out there too.
Lionel Richie
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He can't be a minor, isn't The Last of Us 2 an M rated game? Surely he wouldn't be so anal defending a game he hasn't played.
Musky_Cheese
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I don’t know why not liking a game makes some people so mad. No one said you can’t like it.
TLJ all over again
TLJ all over again
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Xaero Gravity
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KingdomHeartsFan
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Bro I'm done, both Joe's walks out cause the game is so bad and hands the controller to Alex.
Alex: What? You guys are leaving me? I don't wanna play this shit!
Alex: What? You guys are leaving me? I don't wanna play this shit!
Halo is Back
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Then don't post in this thread?
Lionel Richie
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nush
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It's not like GAF will ever run out of threads.
Xaero Gravity
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Ages 13 and up, sailor
Danjin44
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Problem is the entire NeoGAF filled with TLOU2 thread.....way too many.
Strategize
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Most of his so called "bad writing" calls don't even make sense.
1) Yeah like Mel knew they were gonna get ambushed. She's not a solider, she's a medic that was getting transported to another base.
2) Joel and Tommy aren't out of character, they recruit stragglers to Jackson regularly. So Tommy introducing them to Abby while in a tense infected raid doesn't seem like anything new.
3) They don't understand Tommy at all on the revenge thing at all. Both at the beginning and the end.
4) "We did not wait 7 years to play as Abby" IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU WANT - Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson.
5) Anybody who genuinely came away from this thinking that the point was "Abby good, Ellie bad" is fucking stupid I'm sorry.
6) The whole reason why Abby and Owen don't want Ellie and Tommy killed at the start is because they want to think of themselves as morally correct, they aren't the bad guys here.
7) The fact that he genuinely thinks that Abby doesn't question herself at all after what she's done means he wasn't paying attention. It's shown clearly during her dream sequences and facial expressions when other characters question her. This is a big part of her entire story and why she wants to protect Lev and Yara,
8) So of course she isn't gonna murder them after Lev tells her not to. How can you miss point so servely?
Disliking the story they told is fine, hell I'm still wrapping my head around whether I like it or not. It's a pretty depressing ending with no real payoff without a Part 3.
But this is shallow criticism that feels like they weren't purposely paying attention because analyzing why you disliked a story is easier when you can just go "look, bad writing!" instead of thinking how it made you feel and whether or not you found it "worth it".
1) Yeah like Mel knew they were gonna get ambushed. She's not a solider, she's a medic that was getting transported to another base.
2) Joel and Tommy aren't out of character, they recruit stragglers to Jackson regularly. So Tommy introducing them to Abby while in a tense infected raid doesn't seem like anything new.
3) They don't understand Tommy at all on the revenge thing at all. Both at the beginning and the end.
4) "We did not wait 7 years to play as Abby" IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU WANT - Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson.
5) Anybody who genuinely came away from this thinking that the point was "Abby good, Ellie bad" is fucking stupid I'm sorry.
6) The whole reason why Abby and Owen don't want Ellie and Tommy killed at the start is because they want to think of themselves as morally correct, they aren't the bad guys here.
7) The fact that he genuinely thinks that Abby doesn't question herself at all after what she's done means he wasn't paying attention. It's shown clearly during her dream sequences and facial expressions when other characters question her. This is a big part of her entire story and why she wants to protect Lev and Yara,
8) So of course she isn't gonna murder them after Lev tells her not to. How can you miss point so servely?
Disliking the story they told is fine, hell I'm still wrapping my head around whether I like it or not. It's a pretty depressing ending with no real payoff without a Part 3.
But this is shallow criticism that feels like they weren't purposely paying attention because analyzing why you disliked a story is easier when you can just go "look, bad writing!" instead of thinking how it made you feel and whether or not you found it "worth it".
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Halo is Back
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I agree, but nothing we can do about it. Keep in mind though, this is Sony's biggest release this year and probably for the PS4. It is also related to the biggest gaming leak in recent memory.
nush
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As if anybody cares what you're not going to watch. But thanks for supporting the topic anyway.
Lionel Richie
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There are people right now among us who were born in 2007.
Dr. Claus
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Are you never not butthurt when someone criticizes the game? Move on, mate. Its just getting sad at this point.