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Lethal01

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jose4gg said:
This is the reason why the 12GB is just a stupid thing to say, first, the 1/3 MULTIPLIER is different per texture, for many textures you still need the 100%, for other 80%, for others, 59%, etc, etc. So the multiplier for each one of those will vary, 2.5x, 1.5, 1x
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Well yes, and sometimes it's 10%. The 2.5X multiplier comes from themtaking everything into consideration and saying gmost games are only actually using about 1/3 of the textures they have in memory. this means that usually there are many thing that are using.

Feel free to claim their tests are wrong. But if you are saying the 2.5x thing doesn't hold up because their are textures that need to be completely used of 80% used then you're missing the point.
 
SlimySnake

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pawel86ck said:
- I dont want to read from any of you guys PS5 games will look like next gen compared to XSX without any evidence to support such bold claim.
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how about this for evidence?

Cross gen Foliage:
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Next gen Foliage:
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Cross gen wild life:
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Next Gen Wild life:
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Cross gen Character models:
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Next gen character models:
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And this is just me comparing it to ps5 games. hellblade 2 is such a massive leap over halo and other cross gen games that no one here believed it was realtime.

I admire the humility and you extending an olive branch, but why dont you expect next gen games to NOT look next gen compared to cross gen ms will be releasing for the first two years? Hellblade 2 clearly shows the next gen only games by MS will look better than cross gen games by MS. So why arent we assuming next gen games on ps5 wont look better than cross gen games on xss?
 
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Bladed Thesis

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DForce said:
Because it's always good to have actual engineer put people in their place and think twice before spreading false information.
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He didn't put anybody in their place. He didn't refute anything the non-engineer warrior posted. He called into question his credentials. It doesn't take an actual engineer to do what he did. We've all done that.
 
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Bladed Thesis

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SlimySnake said:
how about this for evidence?

Cross gen Foliage:
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Next gen Foliage:
HmOedDT.gif

Cross gen wild life:
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Next Gen Wild life:
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Cross gen Character models:
pO4SPEJ.gif

Next gen character models:
W5MjoKo.gif


And this is just me comparing it to ps5 games. hellblade 2 is such a massive leap over halo and other cross gen games that no one here believed it was realtime.

I admire the humility and you extending an olive branch, but why dont you expect next gen games to NOT look next gen compared to cross gen ms will be releasing for the first two years? Hellblade 2 clearly shows the next gen only games by MS will look better than cross gen games by MS. So why arent we assuming next gen games on ps5 wont look better than cross gen games on xss?
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What cross-gen was Witcher 3 from? As far as I remember, the Witcher 3 did not launch on PS3/360.
 
SleepDoctor

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Bladed Thesis said:
Why do we keep posting Tweets of non-engineers being dumb?

We've got enough of those in this very thread from Xbox fans and Sony fans. Let's wait until the consoles are out and stop couch-commentating.
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The blind leading the blind. But if it fits their narrative they believe it. Tommy Fischer anyone? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

This thread legitimately provides laughs reading clueless people dream up these big fairytales on the specs.

Laughing at morons on Twitter is just the pot calling the kettle black.
 
DForce

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Bladed Thesis said:
He didn't put anybody in their place. He didn't refute anything the non-engineer warrior posted. He called into question his credentials. It doesn't take an actual engineer to do what he did. We've all done that.
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He doesn't need to sit there and refute something that is obviously bs. Unless, YOU think he's credible in some of the things he was saying.
 
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Bladed Thesis

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SlimySnake said:
That's AC Valhalla lol.

It looks atrocious despite running on ultra PC settings in its preview builds.
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Wait so a multi-platform game is proof of the PS5 running games better than the XSX? And the gif you link is it running on a PC?

I'm so lost.

See the problem here is exactly that. Calmer heads are like "lets stop the warring, we're going to get elite consoles no matter which you prefer" and then people come in here posting tweets and links and youtube videos to enflame the divide instead of just rising above the nonsense. Too many people like to act like they're really above the console warring, they're really above the Xbot or Ponies, but in reality they can't stop themselves from bashing the other at every chance. We got people starting threads over "Did you hear what Tom Warren said lmao!!!1!1!!11111!!" or "Xbox SSD is actually 256x the power of PS5 eat that ponies!!!!1!!!!!!1111"

Shit is tiring to say the least when some of us just want some balanced and fun speculation
 
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Bladed Thesis

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DForce said:
He doesn't need to sit there and refute something that is obviously bs. Unless, YOU think he's credible in some of the things he was saying.
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So you admit he didn't refute. Good. You said refute.

I don't think he needs to refute BS. That's why he didn't refute the BS. You said he refuted the BS.

Words matter. Use the word you actually mean and don't use words you don't actually mean. It's a forum. You can reread what you type before hitting Post Reply.
 
jose4gg

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Lethal01 said:
Well yes, and sometimes it's 10%. The 2.5X multiplier comes from themtaking everything into consideration and saying gmost games are only actually using about 1/3 of the textures they have in memory. this means that usually there are many thing that are using.

Feel free to claim their tests are wrong. But if you are saying the 2.5x thing doesn't hold up because their are textures that need to be completely used of 80% used then you're missing the point.
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I never claim the tests were wrong, but you need to read what the actual documentation says...

"Through specialized hardware added to the Xbox One X, we were able to analyze texture memory usage by the GPU and we discovered that the GPU often accesses less than 1/3 of the texture data required to be loaded in memory."

What OFTEN means?


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This is where a lot of people including yourself are confused, you think the majority or almost ALL the models rendered just need to use 1/3 of the textures, and that's why you are completely wrong, If you have seen how textures are made for 3D models you will found out for yourself that anytime a model has a 3D view to the perspective of the user, then all the texture is used.


But if you like, we can play with this... How % does often means, ¿50% of the time models just use 1/3 of the textures? often means that ¿90% of the time models just use 1/3 of the texture?

We can play with often as much as you want, but MS is very clever to use often and not something statistically because this number varies across games, across scenes of the same game... depending on the models and how they render to the user...

That's why they don't put "most of the time just use 1/3, almost every time they just use 1/3, half of the time models just use 1/3 of the texture..." Because it cannot be quantity across games or even across the same game, AND MOST IMPORTANT, We are using 100% of the texture in a lot of places like I explain in my original post: enemies, NPCs, user model, etc, everything that moves or that the user can see within the span of seconds while it moves...

To think we can cut the majority of the textures and just take 1/3 of them is pretty stupid... We can do that with big objects that are rendered far away, or that the user cannot see the back of the object quickly because the element is static, etc...
 
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sircaw

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SleepDoctor said:
The blind leading the blind. But if it fits their narrative they believe it. Tommy Fischer anyone? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

This thread legitimately provides laughs reading clueless people dream up these big fairytales on the specs.

Laughing at morons on Twitter is just the pot calling the kettle black.
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What do you think about Dee's tweet?

You agree with it or is it rather ridiculous in essence?.

Would love to hear your thoughts, genuine?
 
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DForce

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Bladed Thesis said:
So you admit he didn't refute. Good. You said refute.

I don't think he needs to refute BS. That's why he didn't refute the BS. You said he refuted the BS.

Words matter. Use the word you actually mean and don't use words you don't actually mean. It's a forum. You can reread what you type before hitting Post Reply.
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Did I say he put him in his place or he refuted what Dee posted?

Think about that before replying.
 
DForce

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SleepDoctor said:
The blind leading the blind. But if it fits their narrative they believe it. Tommy Fischer anyone? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

This thread legitimately provides laughs reading clueless people dream up these big fairytales on the specs.

Laughing at morons on Twitter is just the pot calling the kettle black.
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No..

People here often talk about technical aspects of a console that is presented to us through AMD, Digital Foundry etc. and don't go beyond what's being reported from them.

Dee on the other hand goes beyond that and that's the problem.
 
3liteDragon

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Microsoft discontinues Xbox One X and Xbox One S digital edition ahead of Series X launch - The Verge

www.theverge.com

Microsoft discontinues Xbox One X and Xbox One S digital edition ahead of Series X launch

Microsoft is keeping the Xbox One S around for a little longer
www.theverge.com www.theverge.com

Microsoft is officially halting production of its Xbox One X and Xbox One S All-Digital Edition consoles. “As we ramp into the future with Xbox Series X, we’re taking the natural step of stopping production on Xbox One X and Xbox One S All-Digital Edition,” says a Microsoft spokesperson in a statement to The Verge. “Xbox One S will continue to be manufactured and sold globally.”
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Fortuneelsewhere

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X-Fighter said:
Die hard fanboys don't like it when the other company gives amazing value towards their consumers.
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Talking about value what games have you being playing lately? Sometimes we get caught in this “hardware war” and forget about what’s really important.. games..

Of course you may say that final fantasy, TLOU II, GoT are not appealing to you and is completely fine but for me and many other being able to experience thouse great games along with all other third parties is what value is all about...

For me as gamer I value games.. and I’m always suspicious of fancy words and mellow rhetorics from corporate executives, specially when again and again they fail to deliver...
 
ZywyPL

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SlimySnake said:
anch, but why dont you expect next gen games to NOT look next gen compared to cross gen ms will be releasing for the first two years? Hellblade 2 clearly shows the next gen only games by MS will look better than cross gen games by MS. So why arent we assuming next gen games on ps5 wont look better than cross gen games on xss?
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Looking is only half of the equation, running is the other one. Maybe let's talk about cross-gen 30FPS vs next-gen 60-120FPS instead? Because sorry, I don't see the games looking 2-4x better to justify yet again garbage framerate, which directly impacts the gameplay. Because I don;t know how about the others, but I don't watch the games, I play them, and fancy gifs/screenshots mean shit. I can justify CP2007 running at 1080p on 2080Ti, but I don't understand how/why WD:Legion performs the same, the visuals are simply nowhere near CP2077 level to tank the performance so much, and in the same way I don't see why those next-gen titles still sit on 30FPS, yeah they look better, but only a bit better, not twice as good. And that's just a single title you posted, how do you know it's gonna be the case 100% of the time and not an exception from the rule?
 
SlimySnake

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Bladed Thesis said:
Wait so a multi-platform game is proof of the PS5 running games better than the XSX? And the gif you link is it running on a PC?

I'm so lost.

See the problem here is exactly that. Calmer heads are like "lets stop the warring, we're going to get elite consoles no matter which you prefer" and then people come in here posting tweets and links and youtube videos to enflame the divide instead of just rising above the nonsense. Too many people like to act like they're really above the console warring, they're really above the Xbot or Ponies, but in reality they can't stop themselves from bashing the other at every chance. We got people starting threads over "Did you hear what Tom Warren said lmao!!!1!1!!11111!!" or "Xbox SSD is actually 256x the power of PS5 eat that ponies!!!!1!!!!!!1111"

Shit is tiring to say the least when some of us just want some balanced and fun speculation
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You are literally doing what you are accusing others of doing. You want calmer heads to prevail and you misread the most crucial part of my post where I literally compared CROSS GEN XSX Games to NEXT GEN ONLY PS5 games.

You went on this ridiculous rant instead of understanding a rather simple point about cross gen, and accusing me of console warring and bashing the xbox when I literally mentioned Hellblade 2 looking next gen as fuck. Isnt that an xbox exclusive? How could I be bashing the xsx when i am literally praising its next gen exclusive?

I actually rewrote the last paragraph in my post to make sure people understood that this comparison was about cross gen vs next gen. I was afraid of coming across as redundant but I knew that If I didnt someone would take it the wrong way. Well congratulations because despite me mentioning it THREE times you still failed to grasp my point because you assumed the worst and went into war mode right away.

I admire the humility and you extending an olive branch, but why dont you expect next gen games to NOT look next gen compared to cross gen ms will be releasing for the first two years? Hellblade 2 clearly shows the next gen only games by MS will look better than cross gen games by MS. So why arent we assuming next gen games on ps5 wont look better than cross gen games on xss?
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So i will try this again and hopefully you are able to calmly discuss it this time around. Here is AC Black Flag, a cross gen game. And AC Unity, a next gen game this gen. The difference is crystal clear, and we will see the same thing next gen.

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DaGwaphics

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Fortuneelsewhere said:
Talking about value what games have you being playing lately? Sometimes we get caught in this “hardware war” and forget about what’s really important.. games..

Of course you may say that final fantasy, TLOU II, GoT are not appealing to you and is completely fine but for me and many other being able to experience thouse great games along with all other third parties is what value is all about...

For me as gamer I value games.. and I’m always suspicious of fancy words and mellow rhetorics from corporate executives, specially when again and again they fail to deliver...
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Apex Legends (a lot), just started co-op Halo again, want to finish it completely before Infinite arrives, still playing Two Point Hospital, and overcooked2 sometimes with the gf. On PC I just started Rome total war again
 
pawel86ck

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SlimySnake said:
how about this for evidence?

Cross gen Foliage:
Ln81HzB.gif

Q5GBjVF.gif

Next gen Foliage:
HmOedDT.gif

Cross gen wild life:
tumblr_ppl8j3WFQv1t4wjzko2_r2_500.gifv

Next Gen Wild life:
yPWXmMK.gif


Cross gen Character models:
pO4SPEJ.gif

Next gen character models:
W5MjoKo.gif


And this is just me comparing it to ps5 games. hellblade 2 is such a massive leap over halo and other cross gen games that no one here believed it was realtime.

I admire the humility and you extending an olive branch, but why dont you expect next gen games to NOT look next gen compared to cross gen ms will be releasing for the first two years? Hellblade 2 clearly shows the next gen only games by MS will look better than cross gen games by MS. So why arent we assuming next gen games on ps5 wont look better than cross gen games on xss?
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Cross gen games will obviously not push XSX hardware to it's limits, however I'm expecting games like hellblade 2 to match PS5 exclusives when it comes to graphics fidelity. Hellblade 2 trailer looks already amazing.
 
SlimySnake

SlimySnake

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ZywyPL said:
Looking is only half of the equation, running is the other one. Maybe let's talk about cross-gen 30FPS vs next-gen 60-120FPS instead? Because sorry, I don't see the games looking 2-4x better to justify yet again garbage framerate, which directly impacts the gameplay. Because I don;t know how about the others, but I don't watch the games, I play them, and fancy gifs/screenshots mean shit. I can justify CP2007 running at 1080p on 2080Ti, but I don't understand how/why WD:Legion performs the same, the visuals are simply nowhere near CP2077 level to tank the performance so much, and in the same way I don't see why those next-gen titles still sit on 30FPS, yeah they look better, but only a bit better, not twice as good. And that's just a single title you posted, how do you know it's gonna be the case 100% of the time and not an exception from the rule?
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Because we have literally an entire generation of cross gen games from the start of this gen to compare.

CoD Ghosts vs CoD Advanced Warfare.
BF4 vs BF1
MGSV vs Death Stranding
AC Black Flag vs AC Unity

And thats a gen where the only major bump was the GPU. Next gen we are finally going to get a generational leap in CPU since the PS360 gen, and the biggest leap in I/O since the PS2 gen. Stuff that will have an even bigger impact on next gen game design.
pawel86ck said:
Cross gen games will obviously not push XSX hardware to it's limits, however I'm expecting games like hellblade 2 to match PS5 exclusives when it comes to graphics fidelity. Hellblade 2 trailer looks already amazing.
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But thats the point, you are not getting those for the first two years. So in your original post, you said both XSS and PS5 games will look the same and no Sony fan should say otherwise. Are you conceding that they wont look the same for the first two years?
 
pawel86ck

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SlimySnake said:
But thats the point, you are not getting those for the first two years. So in your original post, you said both XSS and PS5 games will look the same and no Sony fan should say otherwise. Are you conceding that they wont look the same for the first two years?
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Multiplatforms should look the same on both but I dont want to talk about XSX first party games before seeing real gameplays. For now all I can say PS5 games like Demons Souls, Ratchet, Horizon looks very impressive (4K screenshots shows insane texture quality and details), so the bar is set very high.
 
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Dodkrake

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Checking in on the SSD speeds, I came up with some new math.

So, the raw figures are of 2.4GB/s, and we all agree with that. Then we have the compressed figures, that will reach 6GB/s. The thing is, the original throughput number is actually 2.5 times bigger, meaning the numbers jump to 6GB/s raw - 15GB/s compressed.

Now, here's the catch. If we multiply this number by the Spencer-bullshit constant, we actually get a number so fast that it becomes regressive.

That's right, data transfer is actually so fast it reaches the GPU before leaving the SSD. Rumors say Microsoft will rename their Velocity Architecture the "FTL architecture".

I just want you to imagine this: before turning on your Xbox, it has already turned itself on and opened the game you wanted. A coffee will be waiting for you in your center table and Phil Spencer will be on your door to personally thank you for playing.

Amazing, beautifully simple.
 
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Nickolaidas

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HeisenbergFX4 said:


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I hope MS can deliver on the 23rd. Despite me just recently buying a solid good pc, I have no problem buying a Series X and play the first-party MS games on their natural habitat. But I want to see awesomesauce, not PR talk.

Also, as a sweet cherry on top, I get my summer leave on the 24th. So it's MS showcase, then one month leave from work. My body is ready.
 
SlimySnake

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sircaw said:
On a scale of one to ten is the place you come from similar to the setting in the wire?
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oh no. nothing like that. its just Bayside was a super rich neighborhood with great schools, and jackson height is mostly working class.

Corona and some parts of Harlem and Bronx would be like east Batltimore the wire, but I hear Harlem and most of those areas have been gentrified.
 
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