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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Just went through the thread and it doesn't seem like it's lawsuit worthy to me. But I could be wrong about this.
Which one, there is two of them, regardless it's a downgrade.
it is objective as its gets. industry professionals states that and awards speaking for them self. just because you in denial, does not mean it is subjective or false.
Yes you read like you're in denial and can't spot a downgrade, good talk.
 
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Please don't do that to yourself. I did that too years ago in my teens. I doesn't work that way. Expect them to deliver the game in this state in 3-4 Months. This will cause you less pain and frustration in the long term.

BUT the bright side is - they are going to work on it for up to 10 years! ( note probably way less and "working on it" is not really indicative for anything, could be bugfixes, server maintanance, dlcs, events anything and nothing )

I don't wanna sound rude but thats what I experienced as a gamer in over 30 years.
Don't believe promises of services for long periods from game developers. They WILL change their plans and disappoint you.
Yeah but it's annoying that we're probably going to have another Halo MCC failure on our hands at release, and at the moment Halo MCC is amazingly good, but it sucks that we have to wait probably a year until Halo Infinite is a proper game the way they envisioned it at the start.
 
Which one, there is two of them, regardless it's a downgrade.

You talking about Ghosts vs Halo Infinite when it comes to downgrades?

I mean I would say that Infinite was worse especially with the trailers that they showed us and all that messaging on how it's going to look next gen on the XSX. But I wouldn't call that false marketing because they always said it was a work in progress or that they were targeting it.

They didn't exactly have us CGI and told us that it was going to be the final product.
 

Sinthor

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I'd like to share something regarding the coming consoles.

My father never was into gaming, but he encouraged the hobby, as outside of practicing medicine his passion was music, which he loved dearly.

He loved gaming music, often taking my Final Fantasy soundtracks to listen to on his equipment. It was the only way he could appreciate the hobby, as the tech advanced quicker than he adapted to it(he was stupidly good at Tetris, though)

I was cleaning up in his music room not too long ago(think like a game room, but audio).

I found an old jar with a little money in it, buried amongst audio hookups, with a note scribbled that said "for my son's game system".

It was probably for something years upon years ago, that he had forgotten...who knows.

But it made me happy yet sad to see, with him gone. So many parents of my generation discouraged the hobby and some still do.

I'm glad he encouraged it and maybe it was a sign he's always around, depending on what you believe. I'll use it towards my PS5, hopefully, at the same location we went to get my PS2.

That is a great story, man. Glad you have another positive memory of your father to hold on to!
 
Some are worse than others. Ghosts doesn't seem that bad to me but Infinite really takes the cake. Hopefully this never happens again.
They got both downgraded.
You talking about Ghosts vs Halo Infinite when it comes to downgrades?

I mean I would say that Infinite was worse especially with the trailers that they showed us and all that messaging on how it's going to look next gen on the XSX. But I wouldn't call that false marketing because they always said it was a work in progress or that they were targeting it.

They didn't exactly have us CGI and told us that it was going to be the final product.
The problem with Halo is that they went with a 4K60Fps target, and that's taxing for the GPU, even high end graphics card struggle with 4K60 on current gen games.
No i was not comparing halo vs ghost.
 
Yeah but it's annoying that we're probably going to have another Halo MCC failure on our hands at release, and at the moment Halo MCC is amazingly good, but it sucks that we have to wait probably a year until Halo Infinite is a proper game the way they envisioned it at the start.

You know I am a Sony fan and obviously all this badtalking about PS5 did get on my nerves.

Yet I was shocked to see Halo Infinite looking like that. I was actually anticipating and hoping it would be incredibly good. ( at least top notch compared with other games ) Because I really wanted good consoles and great competition. But that didn't work out at all.

I just hope MS will be able to offer games that are on par or at least closer to Sonys firstparty games later in this "next-gen". Otherwise this whole affair will be ugly to watch.
 
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You know I am a Sony fan and obviously all this badtalking about PS5 did get on my nerves.
Yet I was shocked to see Halo Infinite looking like that. I was actually antivipating and hoping it would be incredibly good. ( at least top notch compared with other games ) Because I really wanted good consoles and great competition. But that didn't work out at all.

I just hope MS will be able to offer games that are on par or at least closr to Sonys Firstparty gamrs later this gen. Otherwise this whole affair will be ugly to watch.
I can't imagine all studios having issues. Even though it was CGI there was some cool stuff in the pipeline. Everwild and Fable will be good games, both studios have a good track record. Avowed looks great, but the scale and complexity of such a game is huge so it will be interesting to see if they can deliver. Forza will definitely deliver, and I've always thought it was better than GT so there's no real issue there.

It's just so weird that their biggest and best IP is in the current state... I can never imagine that Uncharted would be in this state so late in the development cycle. So where did it go wrong? It's not like 343i is shit at developing games, there must be some skeletons in the closet.
 
They got both downgraded.

The problem with Halo is that they went with a 4K60Fps target, and that's taxing for the GPU, even high end graphics card struggle with 4K60 on current gen games.
No i was not comparing halo vs ghost.

The way they handled Infinite kind of reminds me of how Sony handled Killzone 2 with that target render. Im pretty sure the first footage they we've seen was a target render.

With that said we are talking about an Xbox One game running at 4K 60FPs on the Series X a 12TF system with a fast SSD. There's no reason why the system isn't capable of producing a much better looking game.

I put the blame on 343 and not the Series X. I'm pretty sure we will see much better looking games at 4K 60FPs on the Series X.

Not like this though.

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yewles1

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You talking about Ghosts vs Halo Infinite when it comes to downgrades?

I mean I would say that Infinite was worse especially with the trailers that they showed us and all that messaging on how it's going to look next gen on the XSX. But I wouldn't call that false marketing because they always said it was a work in progress or that they were targeting it.

They didn't exactly have us CGI and told us that it was going to be the final product.
Remember when Sony got sued over Killzone's MP resolution? Why only them?...
 
A question that I have is how are the CUs activated? Like can Sony just release a patch that activates them or do they have to do this on a hardware level?
Software yeah.

The reason why a certain amount of CUs are disabled by default is in order to have a minimum threshold of silicone that won't be trashed and end up as a full loss. With sufficiently high enough yields, it means some of the overhead CUs could potentially be enabled. This is somewhat of a gamble companies have to take, but what's been rumored is that TSMC is having absolutely amazing yields on this 7nm process.

It's part of the reason why AMD is about to kick everyone's (Intel and Nvidia's) ass right now.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes

This is a great fucking video. Microsoft needs to cancel the last gen versions asap, and turn this game into a ray tracing only game.

Ray traced Global Illumination will fix the soft lighting and shadows.
Ray traced reflections will fix the muted armor reflections
It will force them to reduce the needless native 4k 60 fps support to appease Timdog and co. and solve the pop-in issue

To me, this is an easy fix. The game will need to be delayed and thats ok. But it clearly cannot ship in this state. imagine how bad it will look at 900p 60 fps on base xbox one and whatever resolution the x1x will run it at.

Just let those consoles go.
 
The way they handled Infinite kind of reminds me of how Sony handled Killzone 2 with that target render. Im pretty sure the first footage they we've seen was a target render.

With that said we are talking about an Xbox One game running at 4K 60FPs on the Series X a 12TF system with a fast SSD. There's no reason why the system isn't capable of producing a much better looking game.

I put the blame on 343 and not the Series X. I'm pretty sure we will see much better looking games at 4K 60FPs on the Series X.

Not like this though.

halo-infinite-brute-community-director-news.jpg

Yeah I saw some Documentation about HZD where GuerrilaGames actually said it was a target render. They sent that clearly labled TargetRender to Sony unrelated to E3 afaik.

Somehow it ended up on stage on Sonys E3 Demonstration but without the info of it beeing a target render. 😂
 
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SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
I can't imagine all studios having issues. Even though it was CGI there was some cool stuff in the pipeline. Everwild and Fable will be good games, both studios have a good track record. Avowed looks great, but the scale and complexity of such a game is huge so it will be interesting to see if they can deliver. Forza will definitely deliver, and I've always thought it was better than GT so there's no real issue there.

It's just so weird that their biggest and best IP is in the current state... I can never imagine that Uncharted would be in this state so late in the development cycle. So where did it go wrong? It's not like 343i is shit at developing games, there must be some skeletons in the closet.
It's 60 fps, open world, realtime time of day and the fact that it needs to run at 60 fps on base consoles.

343i to me created the best looking game of last gen in Halo 4. They are not a bad studio. The decisions they had to make, the cutbacks they had to make were due to the design of the game. The game is technically doing things NO other shooter is doing this gen. I cant think of a single 60 fps open world game with realtime time of day.

BTW, you get massive points from me for staying in this thread after the conference. Lots of others have completely disappeared and its disappointing. You're alright in my book.
 
Yeah I saw some Documentation about HZD where GuerrilaGames actually said it was a target render. They sent that clearly labled TargetRender to Sony unrelated to E3 afaik.

Somehow it ended up on stage on Sonys E3 Demonstration but without the info of it beeing a target render. 😂

Dang I didn't know that at all. Still it's amazing how good the game looks.

Can someone please ban me? I'm seeing so many awful takes in here that I don't know If I can stop myself from cursing them into hell.

You should take that to the ban thread or let a mod know that you want a ban.
 
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Well if you have a bone to pick, try discuss it with people, no need bottling it in. Its like a bad fart, you need to let it go.

Just don't do it after you have had a second helping of a good spicy Madras curry. Take my word for it. :messenger_grimmacing_
Well, let's then. Halo Infinite's gameplay looked fun as hell and I don't care about anything else. Xbox showed the same amount of gameplay as Sony did and yet they are the ones getting sh*t because of it.

This must count as a capital sin, right? God forbid I say something positive about Xbox.
 

Sinthor

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i think, this game will be in "Wrong time of day" 99,99% of the time :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy:

To be fair, I thought Halo looked fun and it even looks good in motion. I get that they are being limited by the legacy support as well, perhaps...although that wasn't supposed to be a thing. In any case, it's clear they have some work to do and things like having RT as a patch later...it all indicates they're having some issues. I'm sure it will be a fun game when it comes out and as others have pointed out...doing an open world 4k@60fps game is NOT easy.

Bottom line, I just can't buy Alex's "explanation" here of why people THINK it looks odd. Just...whatever.
 
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Well, let's then. Halo Infinite's gameplay looked fun as hell and I don't care about anything else. Xbox showed the same amount of gameplay as Sony did and yet they are the ones getting sh*t because of it.

This must count as a capital sin, right? God forbid I say something positive about Xbox.

Sony showed much more gameplay than Xbox
 
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jose4gg

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Well, let's then. Halo Infinite's gameplay looked fun as hell and I don't care about anything else. Xbox showed the same amount of gameplay as Sony did and yet they are the ones getting sh*t because of it.

This must count as a capital sin, right? God forbid I say something positive about Xbox.

You are in denial and it's okay, you are a fan...

But we are talking about the graphics, the 12TF that is so superior to the 10.28 of PS5,

- SpiderMan looks better
- Halo 5 looks better
- RDR2 looks better

The graphics ARE BAD, if you want to talk about the gameplay, great, this isn't what is been discussed here.
 
You are in denial and it's okay, you are a fan...

But we are talking about the graphics, the 12TF that is so superior to the 10.28 of PS5,

- SpiderMan looks better
- Halo 5 looks better
- RDR2 looks better

The graphics ARE BAD, if you want to talk about the gameplay, great, this isn't what is been discussed here.
I didn't realize this was a "Graphics Speculation Analysis" OT.
 

jose4gg

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I didn't realize this was a "Graphics Speculation Analysis" OT.

Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Speculation/Analysis/Leaks Thread


- ¿Did Halo show Next-gen graphics?
- ¿Did Halo show Next-gen physics?
- ¿Did Halo show Next-gen animation?
- ¿Did Halo show Next-gen effects?
- ¿Did Halo show Next-gen gameplay in any kind of form?
- ¿Does next-gen means 4k60 only?
 
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Uncharted 4 on PS4 Pro

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Just look at the trees and how horrendous the distant graphics are, thanks to VRS as it seems:

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Uncharted 4 has been one of my favourite games, especially the online multiplayer. I'm glad people are still appreciating it's graphics, it's one fo the best looking games ever and it's aged like fine wine.

But here's what's interesting, think about what Naughty Dog were able to accomplish with Uncharted 4 on current gen hardware, now think about the gigantic power and performance leap of the PS5 and try imagining what Naughty Dog will be able to pull of with next-gen hardware.

Here's what happens if I think about it:

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Sinthor

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I can't imagine all studios having issues. Even though it was CGI there was some cool stuff in the pipeline. Everwild and Fable will be good games, both studios have a good track record. Avowed looks great, but the scale and complexity of such a game is huge so it will be interesting to see if they can deliver. Forza will definitely deliver, and I've always thought it was better than GT so there's no real issue there.

It's just so weird that their biggest and best IP is in the current state... I can never imagine that Uncharted would be in this state so late in the development cycle. So where did it go wrong? It's not like 343i is shit at developing games, there must be some skeletons in the closet.

I agree with you on this. Everwild looked CRAZY good from the art style- I hope it's a good game. Other stuff like Avowed looked cool as well. There just is something going on with Halo. Hell, I STILL think even 'as is' it will be fun to play and unless you screenshot everything....probably won't notice a lot of any graphical issues anyway. And it IS doing something ambitious. IMHO, I think they ARE having issues due to having that legacy support. I don't think you'd see this happening if it was an XSX game only. Maybe I'm wrong.

I think the major criticism it's having is that it doesn't look like the earlier Halo Infinite trailer. THAT is what people were expecting to see so I think they're harshing on it more since it didn't live up to that trailer. In my opinion as well...having someone like Alex at DF try to explain the issues away as being at the wrong time of day/wrong lighting doesn't help either. There are clearly some other issues at play here even if he's PARTIALLY correct. Again, I think it's legacy support, but time will tell!

Regardless, as you said, lots of stuff looked very interesting and I think when all is said and done Xbox fans will be happy. It's just going to take a while for all the development houses to get onboard since MS switched tacks regarding 1st party devs. Within another year or so, anyone who has an XSX will be more than happy, I'm sure.
 
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Speculation/Analysis/Leaks Thread


- ¿Did Halo show Next-gen graphics?
- ¿Did Halo show Next-gen physics?
- ¿Did Halo show Next-gen animation?
- ¿Did Halo show Next-gen effects?
- ¿Did Halo show Next-gen gameplay in any kind of form?
- ¿Does next-gen means 4k60 only?
It is a game launching with the XSX, a next-gen console, so as far as I'm talking about Halo Infinite, I'm talking about Next-Gen,
 
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Guys be on the lookout for RedGamingTech’s video which will be dropping later today, he is claiming to discuss a lot of information which was leaked to him about PS5, specifically about the RDNA 2/3 and SSD stuff, and more. Curious to see what kind of information we get, he usually comes of as a reliable source to me.

*Dan_of_Rivia is actually Paul from RedGamingTech conspiracy theories intensify even further*

Here it is folks
 

sircaw

Banned
Well, let's then. Halo Infinite's gameplay looked fun as hell and I don't care about anything else. Xbox showed the same amount of gameplay as Sony did and yet they are the ones getting sh*t because of it.

This must count as a capital sin, right? God forbid I say something positive about Xbox.

I am going to try and be fair here.

The amount of bullshit that has been passed around this last month by xbox fan boys has been out of control.
the amount of crap coming out of phil spencers and Greenburg mouths has been extreme to say the least.
The amount of trolls on this forum trying to spread fud
The reporting by some people trying to get people banned.
There has been so much Fud, it has been fucking DISGUSTING.
So much belittlement of Sony and there studios, their hardware, its been none stop

Microsoft Fan boys have been attacking Sony for the last six + weeks none stop, i have seen people quit these forums declaring they have had enough and will come back later when things have improved.

For normal people that are xbox fans, i wish them zero ills, i seriously hope they enjoy they xbox and they enjoy there games. But for the xbox Fan boys, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, they can fuck off.

If they feel hurt about the last few days, that is their issue not mine. They have brought it on themselves.

This is the truth, everyone on this particular forum with the excpetion of a couple of die hard fans are thinking the same thing.

I am sorry if you are hurt or offended and if you ask where is the fud go and read some off the posts that have been around, i could literally give you 10 examples off the top of my head.

But you can do the research yourself, you will find them.

If you are offended by this i am sorry, report button get me banned.

But i am not changing my tune on this. Xbox have double down, trippled down on trying to ruin sony fans enjoyment this last 6 weeks. Its reap what you sow time.

Poke the bear and this happens.

If you are just a regular xbox fan, sorry you have been caught up in this, but blame, dealer, eastwood,timdog, spencer, the list goes on and fucking on.

From me to you...
Peace
xxxxxx
 
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