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LED Guy?

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Our very own LED Guy? LED Guy? has been on fire recently! :messenger_tears_of_joy:
Thanks man! Yeah I can see myself being on fire lately, doing amazing and letting people know that PlayStation is the truth and DESTROYING Alex Battaglia's stupid damage control videos about Halo Infinite!! 😂😂😂

It's funny how he's damage controlling because of the gameplay footage taking place "in the shadows" when the graphics themselves look mediocre actually, no amount of lighting can fix how Halo Infinite's mediocre assets, textures, shading, models, details & geometry look like.
 
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If they cannot hit native 4k 60fps without RT with XSX specs, then either 343i or SlipSpace engine are doing a crappy job.

Or both...
Probably Slipspace is focus in offer a great multiplayer experience but when you see other Xbox studios:

Coalition using unreal engine 4 will offer graphics running to 4k60 fps with higher setting on ultra in XSX

Playground games probably will have its game running in a similar way as Coalition using in own engine for open worlds

This studios will have using only enhancements and those games will looks as from a completely new generation compare to Halo a didn't cost $500 million

They can't put at risk those trips to the Xbox HQ and get those exclusive first deep dive reveals?
In the reveal of Sony making zoom to anything saying:

-See guys this is not real RT 1:1 what a bunch of losers and even they are selecting what object will be reflected in Ranchet lol just looks this pixels

Meanwhile with Halo:

-Guys don't be angry is normal this things happens is just the time of day is not the correct when they add RT this will look much better
we are not going to be picking any little detail just forget those assets, instead let's talk about how the lighting Horizon and Death Stranding in PS4 are bad

Actually, this tweet has me on the floor right now. it's just below the one in your post.....the tears reaction more than the words tbh...


I was saying for months that Halo will be impressive because I want to trust in 343 what I got:

-Graphics of an average game in xbox one,ps4 era far or be new gen or like trailers showed before
-Game as service because obviously gamepass will affect this franchise in some way
-Not RT in release day
-Who cares continue with Cortana let's talk about the main enemy of halo wars 2
-Popping in a very close range
-Not running in a XSX
-Not even 4k with those graphics
-The worst art design I ever seen in a Halo game I mean man you made Halo 4 which looks gorgeous wtf

Of course I will be angry, specially when looks like Forza will be released until 2022 also as service, Fable,Hellblade also 2022
basically any big game with justified the new console will be until two years from now and Medium well is showing is limitations as an AA game.
 
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jose4gg

Member
Did he actually say that? I haven't come across it? could you please provide the source. thanks

"A big portion of the five years was, we had to start from scratch," Barlog said. "Everything really needed to be redone, because we just had torn the engine apart in so many different ways that when we finally brought the team together, everyone realized, 'OK, this is not where it needs to be.'"

"So even when you see E3 2016, the rendering engine wasn’t there, the lighting engine was half-there, the atmospheric engine was half-there. The core mechanics were there, but a lot of the way we were streaming and loading everything was still getting worked out, and figuring out how we were going to get it logistically to work. We knew what we wanted, we just didn’t know technologically how we were going to get it in the right order."


 

Bo_Hazem

Banned
Just wow, those Halo screen shots...
They remind me of the 1st Resistance Fall of Man, just with less interesting characters. This is the time we should be picking our jaws up off the floor. This is the time for the best set piece moments from the best games in the pipeline. Yet I'm reminded of a PS3 launch game....

But what worries me more:
Why isn't MS showing us stuff captured from a Series X? 3-4 months to launch, what's going on? Hardware manufacturing issues? Units Overheating? Naming confusion and the techs setting up the shows grabbing X Box One X instead of X Box Series X?

I'm a hospice nurse, and right now, X Box management may need my help more than they'd want to admit.....

According to their FUD campaign, I think it's actually XSX that's facing manufacturing issues, having difficulties with the price, overheating problems due to unpredictable power draw and using a conventional cooling method. Then they take all that shit and change it to PS5 and feed the trolls and fudders. They can't even write "captured on Xbox Series X" this late, and they've been bragging about it since last E3.

What we get from the recent events: LOD streaming problems, mediocre loading times, a current-gen-like graphics at ultra and even worse with Halo, and the worst kept secret Lockhart is gonna cannibalize their very limited sales due to PS4DE being priced so closely to it yet extremely superior.

I lower my prediction of xbox sales from 40 million in 7 years to 30 million max.
 
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Great Hair

Banned
This is one of the most sobering aand hardcore technical Videos I have ever made ...

GT7
"zooms in @300%" "raytracing is half the resolution" "it suffers from aliasing"
Ratchet&Clank
"missing reflections, no self-shadow, casting on explosions, debris"
Halo Inf.
"the light is flat"

no mention of
- vrs issue or low res textures (concession made due Xbone or because they figured out "once tasked, the bandwidth drops")
- low poly-count assets all over the place
- grassgate 3.0 "rising up" 2m
- LOD
- dynamic 4K60
- pop ins
- raytracing via patch*
- according to KingTrash "muzzle flash is not dynamic, seen on the gun"
- but apparently this 6 month old build can be fixed according to 1 or 2 peeps here and on YT, by converting it from SDR to HDR :p

*edited, added
 
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supernova8

Banned
GT7
"zooms in @300%" "raytracing is half the resolution" "it suffers from aliasing"
Ratchet&Clank
"missing reflections, no self-shadow, casting on explosions, debris"
Halo Inf.
"the light is flat"

no mention of
- vrs issue or low res textures (concession made due Xbone or because they figured out "once tasked, the bandwidth drops")
- low poly-count assets all over the place
- grassgate 3.0 "rising up" 2m
- LOD
- dynamic 4K60
- pop ins
- according to KingTrash "muzzle flash is not dynamic, seen on the gun"
- but apparently this 6 month old build can be fixed according to 1 or 2 peeps here and on YT, by converting it from SDR to HDR :p

With regard to Digital Foundry, they already went in on the detail (ish) in the overall Showcase reaction video. Everybody was saying it looked shit. It's not as if they went easy on Halo.

I think with the Playstation stuff the consensus was that it all looked great but if they had to nitpick, they would point out the stuff you listed. With Halo it was overall poor and not stuff that really needed them to drill down into. I think them drilling down into stuff that is obvious to practically anyone is patronising and so I'm glad they kept it simple.
 

SSfox

Member
It's over guys...





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You avoid war when you know you can't compete, classic, MS only loves war when they see themselves with some advantages, like here:

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or there:
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but like cowards when they realize they can't compete, they always want to avoid the war with "muh war is bad et cie", simple classic.

It's like Power, with Xbox One it was " Power don't matter, 1080p don't matter", and then Xbox One X release and they scream 4K all day, retweet all day each time DF says some multiplat game runs with higher res/4K on Xbox One X, and same with Xbox series X where they scream "most powerful console, 12 TF and blabla" all day.

But i guess it's just MS being MS, today they'll tell you something, and tomorrow they'll tell you another thing, sometimes so contradictory that it's like it's not even from the same company...
 
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According to their FUD campaign, I think it's actually XSX that's facing manufacturing issues, having difficulties with the price, overheating problems due to unpredictable power draw and using conventional cooling method. Then they take all that shit and change it to PS5 and feed the trolls and fudders. They can't even write "captured on Xbox Series X" this late, and they've been bragging about it since last E3.

What we get from the recent events: LOD streaming problems, mediocre loading times, a current-gen-like graphics at ultra and even worse with Halo, and the worst kept secret Lockhart is gonna cannibalize their very limited sales due to PS4DE being priced so closely to it yet extremely superior.

I lower my prediction of xbox sales from 40 million in 7 years to 30 million max.
I don't know about it being manufacturing and overheating issues. I think we would have read alarming things about that at this point. I'm sure, as it relates to Halo, that it's bad management/overall game direction problems. We've seen plenty examples of that this generation (Mass Effect, Anthem, etc). Crazy they, at this point in development, couldn't show a side-by-side with Halo running on Xbox One and Series X (with all its enhancements). What we got instead, was a game with LOD issues running on a PC. Personally though, when I watched the direct feed, I didn't think it looked that bad. They are going for an open world after all, and classic Halo aesthetics don't lend themselves to highly detailed worlds; as much as they seem to prefer a simple and cleaner aesthetic. That's just been my view on that anyway.
 

Bo_Hazem

Banned
I don't know about it being manufacturing and overheating issues. I think we would have read alarming things about that at this point. I'm sure, as it relates to Halo, that it's bad management/overall game direction problems. We've seen plenty examples of that this generation (Mass Effect, Anthem, etc). Crazy they, at this point in development, couldn't show a side-by-side with Halo running on Xbox One and Series X (with all its enhancements). What we got instead, was a game with LOD issues running on a PC. Personally though, when I watched the direct feed, I didn't think it looked that bad. They are going for an open world after all, and classic Halo aesthetics don't lend themselves to highly detailed worlds; as much as they seem to prefer a simple and cleaner aesthetic. That's just been my view on that anyway.

Man, I thought a massive game like The Crew 2 looks like shit, and it's current gen. Halo Infinite is the worst looking game in next gen, with a massive $500 million budget enough to make 5 insanely beautiful games. There are no excuses.
 
You avoid war when you know you can't compete, classic, MS only loves war when they see themselves with some advantages, like here:

jpg_Xbox360lovesyou.jpg


or there:
gw83t3ywdym6owsamm6g.jpg



but like cowards when they realize they can't compete, they always want to avoid the war with "muh war is bad et cie", simple classic.

It's like Power, with Xbox One it was " Power don't matter, 1080p don't matter", and then Xbox One X release and they scream 4K all day, retweet all day each time DF says some multiplat game runs with higher res/4K on Xbox One X, and same with Xbox series X where they scream "most powerful console, 12 TF and blabla" all day.

But i guess it's just MS being MS, today they'll tell you something, and tomorrow they'll tell you another thing, sometimes so contradictory that it's like it's not even from you hear it from the same company...
Console war is never over until there are consoles. As far as I know, MS is producing a console.
Gamepass on PC won't change that, we are far away from cloud services connected solely to the TV for playing all the games, THAT would be the end of console war and the start of the service war.
Console war was always nonsensical anyway, there were no reasons before and there aren't now, not just today becuase "it's over".
 
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Mod of War

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Staff Member
Folks, dial back on any attempts to paint misinformation with thermals and the like unless you can provide actual legitimate sources. Not clickbait Youtube that workS off manufactured monetization.

This goes for both consoles. Also, let’s not try and spin things around with “their FUD” as an excuse because certain fanatical sects out there want to try and sow discord to the tiniest microcosm of the gaming community on the internet like their livelihood depends on it.

We are not going to entertain that petty type of drama here. You can discuss it, but careful not to venture down the rabbit hole of becoming the very thing you despise.
 

Neo Blaster

Member
Well if xsex is "vital" for MS they're doing a good job of hiding that with the gamepass and "hardware sales not important" message. Not to mention not showing it running anything.

It seems to me that back when Xbox started, the internet of consumer electronics was only just starting. MS saw the opportunity to get into that space with a console and spread out into the "living room". It was a good strategy at the time - compete in the consumer electronics space leveraging software rather than hardware.

But one way or another, that space has moved on - smart TVs, small set top boxes like AppleTV and Sony with their product lineup have kept game consoles focused on gaming and the "all in one device" hasn't become ubiquitous. I don't know about anyone else but for me gaming is on the console - netflix is through the TV, others services are through Apple TV.

Gamepass is a natural way for MS to go - they shift the focus to a software/service they can dominate again rather than be a consumer electronics "bit player".

Sony want you to buy a TV, hifi, blu ray movies and play it all on PS- their message is similar to MS - "Sony electronics are the best way to consume entertainment content". And there's the difference - software vs hardware and the focus of each company.

Gamepass and software services are the wheelhouse for MS - but the logical conclusion is MS ditch the custom hardware and that's why I think we're seeing xsex marginalised in the messaging.
Every time MS ventures away from their comfort zone(software/services) they have a hard time, if not a total failure(Windows Phone, Zune). I have your same assumption about Xbox ditching custom hardware and becoming a service/app, just seems to be the most logical conclusion and they're doing what they do best. I don't understand why Xbox fans get so mad about this, MS themselves already said they're becoming platform agnostic.
 

FeiRR

Banned
Hi guys, I've been away for a few days and after seeing that this thread alone is 40+ pages more, I just can't read all of it so maybe I'll repeat someone's words, sorry for that.

I've watched the Xbox show. It was the worst console advertising I've seen in my life. Xbox management is a bunch of very bad salesmen who have no vision and no idea what they're doing. Those people are not professionals and should be fired at once. They change their statements within days (Spencer lied that he doesn't think console exclusives are a good idea, then we saw how many, nine?)

The disaster called Halo Infinite isn't because people at 343 are bad at their job. Microsoft attracted a lot of professionals to their game studios. I'm sure it was with salaries and I'm sure a lot of those people are good at what they do. But money can't fix bad management, atmosphere at the studio, setting unrealistic deadlines and things like that. I'm not saying all that is happening at Microsoft owned studios but that's a plausible explanation for the poor content that comes out of them or no content at all. Having one huge title at launch (not even talking about its quality) is the worst console launch in gaming history. Even Xbox One had something to offer apart from TV, TV, TV, Kinect.

Slipspace engine is very much unfinished. The number of pop-ups, bad textures, terrible animation and total lack of next-gen features is astounding. I'm sure people at 343 wouldn't want this to be shown and they were forced to do so by Spencer and co.

There actually isn't much to talk about because those games were mostly CGI or in-engine renders on unknown hardware. Some concepts like Everwild, Gunk and Fable look nice but who knows what they'll turn into and how long it's going to take.

I was banned from this thread a few weeks back for saying that Game Pass is going to hurt the industry. A mod justified the ban by claiming that I have no proof to support the statement. I'd like to repeat my claim: Microsoft's policy is going to hurt the gaming industry with games like Halo Infinite and other disasters which will happen in their game studios and through their deals. It's the beginning of the end of Xbox as a console but before Microsoft pulls the plug, a lot of devs are going to hate their jobs and eventually lose them. If this game show isn't a proof to the mods, I will take back that ban with a pleasure.

Sorry for a wall of text, I will try to reread at least some of the posts and write more if I can.
 

TJC

Member
lol...i will buy ps5, but later - mid gen, I do it every gen, I have had every PlayStation console starting with ps one, I own PS4 pro and use for Sony exclusives only, I even own ps vita, still have my ps2 and owned 2 PSPs previously (my PS3 was gifted to some kids in my family couple years ago), all of these with lots of games, so I am heavily invested in Sony ecosystem as Well, And yes. I own Xbox one x and a gaming pc, but Xbox is by far the most used gaming machine in my household, but I do play on everything, I recently repurchased games cube as there are some Nintendo games that I love to play. It Is not all black and white.

I played PS4 Spider-Man for like 30 minutes, still have it but cannot force myself to play, Horizon, I have got a copy but haven't played it yet, as it is not one of those games that I feel urge to play, I will play when I have got some spare time (which in my case is a luxury), I am not a big fan of sim racers, so GT doesn't appeal to me, one of my favourite Sony exclusives is WipeOut, it is my personal taste in games, and based on that Sony event wasnt appealing to me, the games their shown are not exciting for me. They have not shown one game during their event that would make me buy PS5 day one. It is my personal taste.



Re. your question, there are multiple reasons, but if I have to list some, these would be;

I tend to play mostly 3rd party games, thus I prefer more powerful hardware (I play on 4K since circa 2017)
I have Game Pass Ultimate subscription and lots of digital purchases across Xbox generations
I prefer xbox game pad
Your point about more powerful hardware dosent really stack up.. Series X and PS5 have no comparison in third party games so why wouldn't you wait to see what platform third party plays best on?. Btw get on that HZD when you can it really is amazing.
 
Man, I thought a massive game like The Crew 2 looks like shit, and it's current gen. Halo Infinite is the worst looking game in next gen, with a massive $500 million budget enough to make 5 insanely beautiful games. There are no excuses.
Wasn't that 500 million thing debunked?
I mean fine anyway, they surely invested a lot of money, it would be mediocre in any case, artistic cohesion is present in any game. Dishonored 2 and Metro Exodus are great, Yakuza is great, fucking Undertale has tons of personality and you can count pixels. One thing is how much advanced a game is, another one how good it looks.
 

SSfox

Member
Console war is never over until there are consoles. As far as I know, MS is producing a console.
Gamepass on PC won't change that, we ara far away from cloud services connected solely to the TV for playing all the games, THAT would be the end of console war and the start of the service war.
Console war was always nonsensical anyway, there were no reasons before and there aren't now, not just today becuase "it's over".

Console war is always good, it's great war (and funfact: nobody will got hurt), it sent the message to the brand about what they're doing if it's "good" or "bad" ect, if there is no console war and the brands will get a pass whatever BS stuffs they do, then the industry will be in huge trouble, so yeah glad there is console war, and still be there, as you said as soon as Consoles still exist, and it's not going anywhere anytime soon as some may think.

PS: Of course good or bad is always subjectif, but when there is a lot of people saying it's "good", or it's "bad", you know there is something. (of course there are trolls that just hate everything, or just loves everything, but those minority)
 
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Ptarmiganx2

Member
To my mind all of this makes it absolutely CRITICAL for Microsoft to show the world that 3rd party multi-platform games will run significantly better on the XSX in order to hold people on their platform until they have more XSX exclusives ready. If they can't show a clear advantage that running those games on XSX gives, then they will have an even bigger challenge this generation.
I don’t think they can show it. The advantages the Xbox has on paper are too small, and it appears Sony‘s architecture will make them even smaller.
 
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Console war is always good, it's great war (and funfact: nobody will got hurt), it sent the message to the brand about what they're doing if it's "good" or "bad" ect, if there is no console war and the brands will get a pass whatever BS stuffs they do, then the industry will be in huge trouble, so yeah glad there is console war, and still be there, as you said as soon as Consoles still exist, and it's not going anywhere anytime soon as some may think.

PS: Of course good or bad is always subjectif, but when there is a lot of people saying it's "good", or it's "bad", you know there is something. (of course there are trolls that just hate everything, or just loves everything, but those minority)
You don't need any war to give feedback, a discussion is not a "war". What distinguish console war from tastes and opinions is that it isn't about tastes and opinions but measuring dicks and being toxic, otherwise wouldn't be called a war at all.
One thing is to call Halo Infinite bad and even make memes, another one is mocking Xbox fans because they like this or that. Without people fighting there is no war anyway.
 

Lethal01

Member
Some people spent months saying "cross-gen is a bad idea and it's going to show" and others were downplaying by saying things like "it's just scaling", "it won't make a difference", etc. We've seen the result, it's not a good look.

Some poeple also have been saying that there isn't going to be a huge difference between PS5 and XSX graphics, a 15-17% difference in GPU power and 4% difference in CPU won't make games look generations apart. It didn't happen with PS4/XBO and PS4 PRO/XBO X, the differences will be even less noticeable on PS5/XSX. But I guess people are going to have to see it for themselves to get a reality check.

15% Difference in teraflops means very little, a difference in architecture mean a huge amount. I personally think the difference between the consoles won't be much.

But right now everything Microsoft has shown would slightly suggest that it's a weaker system. I continue to stress that i'm not saying that I think that's the case (Although without having my hands on both system for a few years I can't say it's not), however my point is that the event was really terrible and is only gives reasons to believe that something in the PS5 makes it far stronger than the XBSX.
 

FunkMiller

Gold Member
To my mind all of this makes it absolutely CRITICAL for Microsoft to show the world that 3rd party multi-platform games will run significantly better on the XSX in order to hold people on their platform until they have more XSX exclusives ready. If they can't show a clear advantage that running those games on XSX gives, then they will have an even bigger challenge this generation.

Don’t you think they would have done that Thursday if they could? Instead of leaning so hard in GamePass... which none of those big third party games will be on for some time.
 

yewles1

Member
You avoid war when you know you can't compete, classic, MS only loves war when they see themselves with some advantages, like here:

jpg_Xbox360lovesyou.jpg


or there:
gw83t3ywdym6owsamm6g.jpg



but like cowards when they realize they can't compete, they always want to avoid the war with "muh war is bad et cie", simple classic.

It's like Power, with Xbox One it was " Power don't matter, 1080p don't matter", and then Xbox One X release and they scream 4K all day, retweet all day each time DF says some multiplat game runs with higher res/4K on Xbox One X, and same with Xbox series X where they scream "most powerful console, 12 TF and blabla" all day.

But i guess it's just MS being MS, today they'll tell you something, and tomorrow they'll tell you another thing, sometimes so contradictory that it's like it's not even from you hear it from the same company...
I remember close to launch, MS got Future Publishing to slip an XBOX 360 mini guide onto an issue indy mag, PSM, the cover for thebooklet said along the lines of "PlayStation fans, THIS is your next console."
 
Lol in Era banned again someone who said about Alex been part of discord or how he insisted PS5 will not raytracing, what is wrong with that forum.

I remember how looks Gears 5 to 1080p and 60 in Xbox one X, is empty yes but is much more pretty and have good climate effects
gears-5-skiff.jpg
Also Forza Horizon 4 to 1080p 60 fps in XSX
Forza_Forza_Horizon_4-1515505.jpg!d
 
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SSfox

Member
You don't need any war to give feedback, a discussion is not a "war". What distinguish console war from tastes and opinions is that it isn't about tastes and opinions but measuring dicks and being toxic, otherwise wouldn't be called a war at all.
One thing is to call Halo Infinite bad and even make memes, another one is mocking Xbox fans because they like this or that. Without people fighting there is no war anyway.

Now here you're talking about internet clowns, i disgrace those kind of people either they're Nintendo, PS or Xbox fans, of course it's fine to like whether you want.

Also i think we just don't see console war as same, for me it's fun, i have some Xbox fans friends, and sometimes when i met with one of them, we argue and we talk shit about either PS or Xbox, it's all fun, and while we admit when someone do something better, like i told to my Xbox friend back then that PS3 Bayonetta and RDR1 looked like shit compare to Xbox 360, just like he admitted that Uncharted 2 is outstanding and looked better than any Xbox 360 game.

If you're talking about the subhumans that keep insulting people over the internet that's not console war to me, it's just internet clowns, i'm def not referring to those when i say console war.
 

sircaw

Banned
Folks, dial back on any attempts to paint misinformation with thermals and the like unless you can provide actual legitimate sources. Not clickbait Youtube that workS off manufactured monetization.

This goes for both consoles. Also, let’s not try and spin things around with “their FUD” as an excuse because certain fanatical sects out there want to try and sow discord to the tiniest microcosm of the gaming community on the internet like their livelihood depends on it.

We are not going to entertain that petty type of drama here. You can discuss it, but careful not to venture down the rabbit hole of becoming the very thing you despise.

Its someone called GARFIELD that is spreading FUD, you have my permission to ban that fat arse

It has nothing to do with me hating cats, that's fake news spread by trolls like Yewles1 and MasterCornholio. They also need a ban. Peace love MODS.xxxx :messenger_heart: :messenger_grimmacing_
 
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Three Jackdaws

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"A big portion of the five years was, we had to start from scratch," Barlog said. "Everything really needed to be redone, because we just had torn the engine apart in so many different ways that when we finally brought the team together, everyone realized, 'OK, this is not where it needs to be.'"

"So even when you see E3 2016, the rendering engine wasn’t there, the lighting engine was half-there, the atmospheric engine was half-there. The core mechanics were there, but a lot of the way we were streaming and loading everything was still getting worked out, and figuring out how we were going to get it logistically to work. We knew what we wanted, we just didn’t know technologically how we were going to get it in the right order."


Thanks for sharing this, it has some interesting information. I kinda figured the sequel will be easier to make because of so many reasons, the plot and narrative of the first game has already established the groundwork for the sequels, key characters have also been established.

The game engine must also be up and running as it's an advancement of the original one, much like what we see on Horizon Zero Dawn and Forbidden West. Mark Cerny also mentioned the "time to triangle" for the PS5 takes less than a month, and when he uses that term he means the time it takes devs to really get the graphics up and running on the PS5.

As mentioned by Cory Barlog, a lot of work and effort had to be put into loading and streaming data, this was likely because of the no cut camera throughout the entire game and the no loading screens, in fact if you've played God of War you'll know that the level design was massively dependant on the data streaming and loading, like those long boat rides to different parts of the map, the hundreds of cracks and crevices and those elevators in certain parts. I imagine the insane I/O of the PS5 will alleviate a LOT of the headache and problems the technical team had when designing the previous game. I'm curious to see how this I/O will influence the design of the sequel since the devs won't have to put in those work arounds.

According to RedGamingTech *cough*myself*cough, developers were a bit annoyed with the PS4 and Pro APU's because it didn't allow them to have full control of the graphics pipeline, this meant that there was little potential for them to optimise the games for performance and also meant that there would be more load on the CPU/GPU. Apparently this was one of the reasons why God of War made both the PS4 and Pro run really hot. RGT also mentioned that devs really pushed Cerny to implement a feature for the PS5 which would allow them to control the entire geometry pipeline on a hardware level and this came about in the form of the Geometry Engine on the PS5.

Considering the already established groundwork, as well as the massive improvements and ease that the PS5 offers the devs, I imagine that the development for the sequel is much more easier and efficient.
 

pasterpl

Member
What big 3rd party games are on Game Pass? What big 3rd party games are on PSNow? Can someone make a list? Also: PSNow games dont require plus for online play correct?

gamepass

 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
I loved Days Gone. A top 5 game for me this gen. My wife told me I’m nuts, but I think I might have liked it even more than God of War. This was the golden age of Sony exclusives. I bought every single release and completed them all. I used 3rd party games as filler between releases, with a few exceptions.
Days Gone is fucking fantastic. it starts out slow but man when it picks up it gets as good as some of sony's best ps4 exclusives and that includes GoW and TLOU2. The writing and characters are excellent and fighting hordes with a full arsenal is one of the most intense and awe-inspiring moments of this generation.
 

Thirty7ven

Banned
One thing that MS paid devs in common is how instantly they fall in line with the BS marketing.


The Gunk:

“It’ll be Xbox exclusive, period,” a representative of the game’s publisher, Thunderful, told Kotakuin an email. “It’s all about the power of the hardware and what The Gunk requires. We’re really happy with the support from the Xbox team so far.”

The game is launching on Xbox One. It’s like that guy from Dirt 5, because the game has some marketing deal with MS he went off like a talking billboard on every bullet point Xbox PR wanted him to hit.

So much talk about power, teraflops, secret sauce etc and all we got were CGI trailers and underwhelming visuals that weren’t running on XSX.

Xbox continues to be a marketing and services driven brand.
 
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The game is too much fun. PS brothers & sisters are out here living our best samurai life ,perfecting moves. Replicating Samurai Action Choreography.


Why are people damage controlling this sub par looking Halo. All these people doing pro-bono work ,putting effects ,lighting & modding a demo. Its sad. This is capping. The game is what it is. The showcase is done. Damage has been done.

What Xbox has shown us is what it is. I don't think 343 are this bad. They are very capable. Im 1000% certain there are multiple versions of Halo builds that exist. With the 5 years spent building this game. Im certain there are many builds that look close to that earlier 2018 trailer & various builds that mimics one of the halo games. But Xbox management went with that showcase build for whatever reason.

Many devs had left the Halo project.So there is definitely clash of decisions happening at 343 & Xbox.Overall I just don't care. The truth will all come out at some point. The fact people are damage controlling a bad looking game & doing FREE DEV work is the most tragic thing.

All this gamepass talk needs to slow the fuck down. It's starting to sound like smart delivery, velocity PR BS. It's like you people dont learn. Everything MS hype ends up being meh at best. Gamepass last defence line is getting absurd. That journos are obviously paid to shill & hype it. It's not the only player. PSNOW has way more games than gamepass.A lot of JRPG .And newish games. And PS dont even promote it.

Everything with PS5 is getting a refresh. Everything is NEW. Anyone that thinks PS will stay stagnant here. Is a fool.What are people going to say if PS decide to promote PSNOW on a big stage with everyone watching.

What happens if PSNow gets a promo. Talking up its 800 game library. And then say we are bringing massive library of PS1,2,3,4 era games.Works anywhere TV ,phone,PC And then offer a compelling price or PS+Now combo for £60-80 a year.

What then? No one will think of gamepass. Because once again it doesn't have games.And at anytime Sony can drop the exclusives in there to entice. This gamepass hype is heading for another L. It's missing the most important thing GAMES. Xbox need to leave the console war PR alone stay out of Sonys way. And PR like Nintendo.
 
Now here you're talking about internet clowns, i disgrace those kind of people either they're Nintendo, PS or Xbox fans, of course it's fine to like whether you want.

Also i think we just don't see console war as same, for me it's fun, i have some Xbox fans friends, and sometimes when i met with one of them, we argue and we talk shit about either PS or Xbox, it's all fun, and while we admit when someone do something better, like i told to my Xbox friend back then that PS3 Bayonetta and RDR1 looked like shit compare to Xbox 360, just like he admitted that Uncharted 2 is outstanding and looked better than any Xbox 360 game.

If you're talking about the subhumans that keep insulting people over the internet that's not console war to me, it's just internet clowns, i'm def not referring to those when i say console war.
In my ambient console war is always a negative term, the sole term "war" is something I would not use to describe a discussion or a confrontation of any sort. but I suppose it may be interpretation.
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