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[The Bloody-Nine]

Sony's plan is to crush Xbox division, all the crazy moneyhatting suggests that, and the inclusive of a preinstalled/free platformer game in every PS5, much better sound and controller, bigger and readier lineup, all suggests they wanna strike as hard as possible and drive xbox out of business.

So they're waiting for xbox pricing as they've been the most talkative, PS4/Pro is still selling at around $400-500 mark worldwide to date, so why would they rush it? Xbox One is completely empty handed on the other side, same goes to XSX, so this is the biggest chance for Sony to crush them and end their misery.

Rush it? They're supposed to release in 3 months.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Hope that's not true cause I won't even bother getting the console and just upgrade my PC until a price drop.

I love Sony but if that pricing is real, it's just a big no.
I can probably get the upcoming big navi for that price, which will be probably twice the TFLOPS.

The upcoming Big Navi (you mean 5900XT/6900XT) will cost about $800 minimum, and it's just a GPU.

Granted it'll be about 15% faster than a 2080 Ti. But still.

EDIT: 2080 Ti's are still near $900+, so a card significantly faster, as is rumoured, will not be cheaper than the most expensive console SKU.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Rush it? They're supposed to release in 3 months.

If you're running Sony, and you are surprised by spiked sales of your console right now, with a massive profit margin at higher than launch prices, would you announce PS5 prices or try to wait as much as possible? You know, those are companies, they are aiming for profit after all.

 

[pasterpl]

Didn't Bloomberg leak the PS5 BOM as $450? Has that been totally debunked or something? Cos if not how the hell do you get to a $600 price point, let alone $700?!

It just doesn't add up. They design these things with a price in mind, not the other way round. Even $500 would be more of an increase than Sony would really want to make, I'd have thought, after the huge success they had at $400.

The most plausible explanation for the delay in announcement is just that they're scared they'll be undercut by their rival. I imagine they're both targeting $500 but are nervous that the other will do something dramatic like come in at $400, and want to be able to respond by going second. So you get this interminable game of chicken.

bom of 450 probably didnt include controller, packaging, shipping (ps5 is rumoured to be quite heavy) and retailers margins

 

[captainraincoat]

i dont think either console is releasing this year to be honest

 

[wipeout364]

Digital Edition $550 USD 1 TB HD
Pro Edition $700 USD 2TB HD

My guess

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

If you're running Sony, and you are surprised of spiked sales of your console right now, with a massive profit margin at higher than launch prices, would you announce PS5 prices or try to wait as much as possible? You know, those are companies, they are aiming for profit after all.

I see one valid reason why neither company have released their prices yet. Because people are going to be in for a nasty surprise and they're delaying it as much as possible. Time will tell who is right.

 

[pasterpl]

Sony's plan is to crush Xbox division, all the crazy moneyhatting suggests that, and the inclusive of a preinstalled/free platformer game in every PS5, much better sound and controller, bigger and readier lineup, all suggests they wanna strike as hard as possible and drive xbox out of business.

So they're waiting for xbox pricing as they've been the most talkative, PS4/Pro is still selling at around $400-500 mark worldwide to date, so why would they rush it? Xbox One is completely empty handed on the other side, same goes to XSX, so this is the biggest chance for Sony to crush them and end their misery.

same can be said about xbsex and Microsoft, they acquired lots of studios in the last couple of years, there are rumours about more acquisitions coming, lots of console launch exclusives announced in the last month event.

re much better sound - let’s wait an see
re controller, additional gimmicks don’t make controller better if it fundamentally flawed because analogue sticks position (cannot stand DualShock Layout)

sony lineup seems readier on paper, but beyond Spider-Man there aren’t any big hitters announced for launch. Do we actually have a list confirmed of what games ps5 will launch with?

re. Preloaded game, I am sure that ms will grow 1 month free game pass to xbsex bundle (you know, couple hundred games, many xbsex enhanced, some next gen only)

 

[michaelius]

Sounds like bull.... we had several small leaks in Poland from various retailers and they were putting PS5 between 1800 to 2500 PLN which translates to 400 to 500 euro.
So I'm betting on 400-450$ price for PS5DE and 500 for normal PS5

 

[Thugnificient]

My guess is

£375-£400 ps4 digital
£425-£450 physical

£299-£325 xbox series s
£425-450 series x

Sony will want a console near that £350 that worked so well with ps4/Pro and its why the digital version exists in the first place. It'll sell at a loss but gain the money back through digital purchases.

Microsoft will want the cheapest console to try and grab as many casuals as it can to boost numbers and get them on gamepass. They'll want that series x price point very close to sonys physical console even if it takes a loss.

A console that’s relatively speaking twice as good as the PS4 when it came out will be as cheap or cheaper with inflation?

Keep dreaming bud.

 

[pasterpl]

Digital Edition $550 USD 1 TB HD
Pro Edition $700 USD 2TB HD

My guess

i don’t think that there is 1tb version of ps5, isn’t the ssd “only” 825gb?

 

[Bo_Hazem]

same can be said about xbsex and Microsoft, they acquired lots of studios in the last couple of years, there are rumours about more acquisitions coming, lots of console launch exclusives announced in the last month event.

re much better sound - let’s wait an see
re controller, additional gimmicks don’t make controller better if it fundamentally flawed because analogue sticks position (cannot stand DualShock Layout)

sony lineup seems readier on paper, but beyond Spider-Man there aren’t any big hitters announced for launch. Do we actually have a list confirmed of what games ps5 will launch with?

re. Preloaded game, I am sure that ms will grow 1 month free game pass to xbsex bundle (you know, couple hundred games, many xbsex enhanced, some next gen only)

It'll be more transparent few months from now, and meant "launch year" as 1-2 months doesn't count as launch year. Horizon Forbidden West is coming in 2021, so it's within the launch year if it makes it. More to be revealed, and it's looking extremely solid in the blue side.

 

[fermcr]

I think Microsoft knows they will have the cheapest console, but are waiting for Sony to go first so they don't get undercut.
Sony are waiting for Microsoft to go first and see gamers reactions, that way they can cut the price if needed before announcing.

I wounder who will go first...

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

i dont think either console is releasing this year to be honest

Seriously? There's about a 5% chance of that.

 

[pasterpl]

I think Microsoft knows they will have the cheapest console price, but are waiting for Sony to go first so they don't get undercut.
Sony are waiting for Microsoft to go first and see gamers reactions, that way they can cut the price if needed before announcing.

I wounder who will go first...

i think we will get price announcements somewhere around late August from both, iirc, historically, both used to announce their prices much earlier (around e3 dates)

 

[geordiemp]

i don’t think that there is 1tb version of ps5, isn’t the ssd “only” 825gb?

They can double or treble up the amount, you know what he means.

 

[Hunnybun]

bom of 450 probably didnt include controller, packaging, shipping (ps5 is rumoured to be quite heavy) and retailers margins

It doesn't matter. Even with those things factored in you'd still be looking at $500. These things always make a loss at launch.

 

[Aidah]

"heard from their sources", they never actually say or claim that. Some of them are just speculating.

 

[The Shepard]

A console that’s relatively speaking twice as good as the PS4 when it came out will be as cheap or cheaper with inflation?

The ps3 was way more expensive than the ps4 when it released. That digital model will not be over £400 and the physical over £500, no way. Last time a console was to overpriced for the market it almost destroyed the PlayStation.

Not sure what price your thinking it will be?

 

[TheMan]

I’m out if ps5 launches at 700. They haven’t shown any games to justify that cost and if history repeats itself, it will probably take at least a year before the console begins to really come into its own.

 

[rbanke]

I find it odd how some things just have an expected price or price range regardless of inflation over the years. It's not just games but games is certainly among that group. I remember feeling like 599 wasn't really crazy considering the past console prices when the PS3 came out and all these years later its the same general range. I'm surprised retail games are still 60 bucks.

 

[TheMan]

I find it odd how some things just have an expected price or price range regardless of inflation over the years. It's not just games but games is certainly among that group. I remember feeling like 599 wasn't really crazy considering the past console prices when the PS3 came out and all these years later its the same general range. I'm surprised retail games are still 60 bucks.

games are almost certainly going up to 70 so you can stop being surprised, lol

 

[Ascend]

It makes sense. The PS5 GPU alone is the equivalent of a faster RX 5700, which costs $350 by itself. Add in the 8C/16T CPU, the cooling system, power supply, and most importantly, the mammoth SSD configuration, and I would be surprised if the PS5 costs less than $600-$700 to make.

The same applies for the XSX. But they have the Series S as a backup.

 

[Goncas2]

They're just speculating solely based on the fact that the prices haven't been announced yet. There are no sources involved.

And let's also not forget the fact that the Switch's price was announced just 2 months before release.

 

[Thugnificient]

The ps3 was way more expensive than the ps4 when it released. That digital model will not be over £400 and the physical over £500, no way. Last time a console was to overpriced for the market it almost destroyed the PlayStation.

Not sure what price your thinking it will be?

The PS3 costed something like $700 to manufacture and Sony took colossal losses on the first couple million of units. PS4 either broke even or made them a tiny profit. Forgot exactly.

They're not going back to the days of selling a console at $100 loss per unit. The PS5 would have to cost $400 to manufacture for your prediction to make sense and it's obviously significantly more than that.

$499 for the regular model
$449 for the digital version

Perhaps $50 more but not lower than that. $399 is out of the question with the components the console has. It features a GPU that isn't even out in the PC space yet whereas the PS4's GPU was almost 2 years old by the time the console came out.

 

[JORMBO]

I love buying new hardware and normally don't mind spending the money. $700 would have me thinking twice and possibly waiting until later down the lines when more games are available. My PC should hold up pretty nicely for awhile even though I prefer console gaming. I can't see either company launching at $700. Even $600 is a bit steep, but I'd most likely bite at that price and grab one at launch.

 

[captainraincoat]

Seriously? There's about a 5% chance of that.

They are saying both are in production but we dont know to what extent they are in production...they could be testing or they could be gearing up for a limited release in certain territories
3 months out from the usual console release timelines and we have 2 consoles with pretty lacksture launch titles and no price or release date announced

Calling it now..Delayed until March/April next year or if they do release it will be in extremely limited regions

 

[oldergamer]

We will have to dig up the thread i posted that was closed where I said i heard the same thing on PS5 price. $699 CAD, $599 USD

 

[oldergamer]

Its feeling like PS3 reveal all over again.

I told a friend about the Xbox S model coming, and he said right away he would go for that as his entire setup (projector) is 1080p. He could care less about 4K. I'm sure there will be others out there saying the same thing.

 

[Iced Arcade]

Team $499 max. Already pay you fucks enough annually for XBL & PSN+

 

[gradient]

You're just trying to dismiss the value of a console by branding it as a 'toy'. You could come up with some pejorative to undermine the value of virtually anything: it's not a proper argument. An expensive car is a 'toy', a nice watch is a bit of 'bling' etc.

You seem to concede the point on an expensive phone's lack of functionality, and then just repeat the same argument.

A good $800 of a $1k phone represents no functionality, so you can't justify that price based on how much utility it provides. Stop trying.

I'm not saying a console is definitely worth $1000 to people, but it's at least possible. That works out at about $150 a year, or $12 or so a month. About the same as Netflix.

Now, there may be many reasons people would baulk at paying $1000 for a console, but on the face of it, them not rivalling Netflix for entertainment value isn't really that plausible.

I'm not trying to undermine the value by labelling it a toy, I'm simply labelling a home console as what it is, a toy. It's a product that is designed to be played with.

I'm not trying to justify the ridiculous prices of luxury brands and good, I don't subscribe to it and personally have never had a phone that cost over £150, but you keep trying to equate a consoles value to a phones value not by comparing the cost and utility of a console to a phone but with the comparison of a cheap phone to an overpriced one. You're arguing one thing but evidencing something totally different.

Cars and phones are not comparable products because they have practical utility. Essential utility that has value in the outside and working world. Yes you can buy luxury and overpriced versions, as you can with most things in a market where people with more money than sense exist, but the essence of the item is it's practical utility. And both a phone and a car have far more use and practical real world utility than a product made for play.

That's the chasm. It's a lot easier to justify paying a high price for something that has real world utility than it is for an item you can only play with for entertainment value at home. Then there's the social and fashion value - both a car and a phone can offer status that can easily be displayed whereas a home console is something that sits in your home out of sight of daily social interactions.

The minute that you move into that price range you're not just competing with other consoles, you're competing with other products vying for that big wad of cash. Products which can offer day to day utility and practical use as well as entertainment, fashion and social value. Phones and cars offer this, consoles don't.

 

[Liljagare]

Both consolles over 500 at launch won't be good. There are tons of people affected by the pandemic that will say no, and the consolle market will shrink, for the first time in a long while, thats my take on it..

 

[Demon2blades]

Alot of people will pass on both these consoles if they cost that much untill the price comes down .

 

[zcaa0g]

$525.63

 

[martino]

Its feeling like PS3 reveal all over again.

I told a friend about the Xbox S model coming, and he said right away he would go for that as his entire setup (projector) is 1080p. He could care less about 4K. I'm sure there will be others out there saying the same thing.

imo 4k is as big as an arugment as full hd was for ps3/360 launch
my guesstimate is about same amount of people are not equipped and don't really care

 

[JohnnyFootball]

A PS5 costs roughly $450 to manufacture. I'm not sure if this is with the controller. If it isn't then the $500+ makes sense.

Also I find it really funny how people are willing to spend $700+ on a phone every 2-3 years but nothing more for than $500 for a console that they'll change in 5-7 years.

I love how this is always mentioned but ignores the fact that very few phones are actually purchased outright but are financed over a 2 year contract/lease.
Until I see that option with consoles, paying for phones and consoles is not an apples to apples comparison.

Ive heard for years that MS was implementing something like that with Xbox Live, but it still hasn’t happened.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Random side note:

It's kind of weird to me that history and the pop culture of the time has always recorded PS3 as a $599 system. There was a $499 model from launch, not gimped in the usual ways, that I believe just carried a smaller hard drive and less unnecessary ports?

Yet it's almost like that never existed.

That price was still bad, but not completely terrible compared to a $400 360 (the cheaper model at the time there had no hard drive and was a complete rip, requiring an expensive purchase later), and you were getting niceties like Wi-Fi and HDMI.

The $499 PS3 model had virtually no availability and had no WiFi.

 

[trikster40]

I dont buy it. If anything, they’d have stated the price sooner to get it out of the way before they started showcasing games. People also need time to save up for expensive hardware.

The sweet spot for consoles is $399, maybe $499. I’m probably wrong, but aren’t most opinions?

 

[Hunnybun]

I'm not trying to undermine the value by labelling it a toy, I'm simply labelling a home console as what it is, a toy. It's a product that is designed to be played with.

I'm not trying to justify the ridiculous prices of luxury brands and good, I don't subscribe to it and personally have never had a phone that cost over £150, but you keep trying to equate a consoles value to a phones value not by comparing the cost and utility of a console to a phone but with the comparison of a cheap phone to an overpriced one. You're arguing one thing but evidencing something totally different.

Cars and phones are not comparable products because they have practical utility. Essential utility that has value in the outside and working world. Yes you can buy luxury and overpriced versions, as you can with most things in a market where people with more money than sense exist, but the essence of the item is it's practical utility. And both a phone and a car have far more use and practical real world utility than a product made for play.

That's the chasm. It's a lot easier to justify paying a high price for something that has real world utility than it is for an item you can only play with for entertainment value at home. Then there's the social and fashion value - both a car and a phone can offer status that can easily be displayed whereas a home console is something that sits in your home out of sight of daily social interactions.

The minute that you move into that price range you're not just competing with other consoles, you're competing with other products vying for that big wad of cash. Products which can offer day to day utility and practical use as well as entertainment, fashion and social value. Phones and cars offer this, consoles don't.

You're going round in circles again.

You can't claim that there's a limit on a console's value beacsue it's not practical compared to a phone when it's obvious that a phone's practical value is only a fraction of the price charged. It's either one or the other.

You accept that phones (or cars or whatever) are expensive for essentially trivial reasons like brand strength and fashion appeal, which is effectively the same as conceding that a product's value is subjective and therefore won't be limited by its fundamental usefulness.

Isn't a 2080ti a 'toy', too? And yet it's way more expensive than any console, or even any phone.

It's just not a sound argument.

 

[dave_d]

I always roll my eyes when I read stuff like this published. All I can think is that the person that wrote the article has never taken econ 101 and has no idea about the concept of a "Fixed cost" vs "variable cost" or "marginal cost".

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

They are saying both are in production but we dont know to what extent they are in production...they could be testing or they could be gearing up for a limited release in certain territories
3 months out from the usual console release timelines and we have 2 consoles with pretty lacksture launch titles and no price or release date announced

Calling it now..Delayed until March/April next year or if they do release it will be in extremely limited regions

Well Jeff Corden leaked that SeX release date is Nov 6th. Yes it has a bare bones line up but it'll still get sales from mom and pops even if they only can release in NA.

PS5 will probably arrive 2 weeks later. Who knows but I think theyll release at all costs.

 

[Dibils2k]

it would explain why they are so reluctant to give price

i am buying both day one but tbh if they are both ABOVE 600 i might need to think about which one to get first

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Lol @ $700

What absolute nonsense

 

[The Shepard]

The PS3 costed something like $700 to manufacture and Sony took colossal losses on the first couple million of units. PS4 either broke even or made them a tiny profit. Forgot exactly.

They're not going back to the days of selling a console at $100 loss per unit. The PS5 would have to cost $400 to manufacture for your prediction to make sense and it's obviously significantly more than that.

$499 for the regular model
$449 for the digital version

Perhaps $50 more but not lower than that. $399 is out of the question with the components the console has. It features a GPU that isn't even out in the PC space yet whereas the PS4's GPU was almost 2 years old by the time the console came out.

$499 is £381 add another 20% on for UK tax and it'll be at around the £450 mark which I said earlier.

£399 digital
£450 physical

 

[Bryank75]

I think we all have to realize that it's 3 PC fanboys talking and they are basically trying to justify the overblown price of high end PC's that hit this type of performance....

They simply couldn't take it if PS5 was 400 or less than 500, it's like an affront to them and now that their favorite console is at a disadvantage at launch, might as well spread some fud to try and torpedo the entire next gen launch.

 

[LordCBH]

Almost no one pays $600-$700 for a console. Never have never will. That price point would be suicide for both companies.

 

[DarthFeanor]

Lockhart will save us all.

 

[T-Cake]

So are we expecting a big monthly price increase or a little one? £24.99, £29.99 or £34.99 each month for XSX+GP Ultimate?

 

[Crimson_Fate]

This really is a win-win if you look at it the correct way.

If the Price for the disk version is under $499 then I pick up two consoles day one and at least two digital games day one (as well as others as they are released)

If the Price is over $500 I will buy nothing , I will wait a year or more for the price to drop to where I am willing to pay and then purchase the consoles at that time I will then buy all used games released in the past year or two on disk.

So if Sony comes out with an expensive console I wait for my price and they will make $0 from me on games
If they come out with a decently priced console they will make their money on games which far exceeds anything they may have lost on the initial console.

I prefer sony but I am not a "SONY at any price " Person I can wait. . I'm also sitting on 3+years of PS plus remaining on my accounts so I will have plenty to play with my PS4 if I need to wait (should sony decide to push a high price).

 

[pawel86ck]

they almost ran out of business man

Sony lost over 200$ on each console (PS3 BOM was somewhere around 800$) and still PS3 wasnt better product compared to much cheaper X360. Many multiplatform games run at lower resolution on PS3 and there also werent many good exclusives during the first year.