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[Patrick S.]

Not even if they opened up the iOS platform? I use Macs and iPhones because the alternatives not only have the same restrictions for the most part, the alternatives are also complete garbage. Not the very best of options unfortunately.

Then I would, yes.

 

[JLB]

Has the potential to end up better for consumers, as we see with something like GamePass flat out being locked out.

Im not completely sure think a corp A vs corp B trial will benefit consumers. It could be the case, but I think the response should come from govs in the form of anti-trust cases.

 

[-Arcadia-]

Epic going HARD at Apple right now. Gotta love it.

It's certainly a spectacle. I can't recall an open declaration of hostilities like this in the corporate world, as long and much as I've been aware of it.

 

[shaddam]

I dont care who wins, but I will enjoy this ride

 

[Skullkid94700]

Dam

from the above:

"Epic is not seeking monetary compensation from this Court for the injuries it has suffered. Nor is Epic seeking favorable treatment for itself, a single company. Instead, Epic is seeking injunctive relief to allow fair competition in these two key markets that directly affect hundreds of millions of consumers and tens of thousands, if not more, of third-party app developers."

I get that Apple controls a large share of the market, but it sounds as though Epic made this change randomly and without consulting Apple. There is a fee to using the store as a digital front. I will agree that more competition will create a better product, but Epic and its store has had problems with security and privacy in the past.

Seems like an empty threat lawsuit. They just want to put back on the store. I bet Apple stands stiff on this one for a few days, then one will cave.

 

[llien]

Yeah google and apple are in the wrong but epic knew the terms when they signed up and agreed to them so epic just as bad in my opinion

Wow, assholes asking for ransom (oh, and Google is much milder at it, but good try) and the victim are "as bad".

 

[theHFIC]

Tencent Tim getting big mad. The guy built his company and career on ripping off more successful games and genres. 30% is a big cut for IAP and should be changed, but I am way against having anything other than the Apple App Store on my phone to install and purchase any software. I don't want 3rd party stores on my mobile devices.

 

[tillbot8]

LOL Man City bought the UEFA/FIFA FFP is dead.

But surely Apple could never afford a 10 million fine either that would really teach these massive companies a lesson....right?

 

[alstrike]

Imagine if Microsoft took a cut of everything that was sold on Steam, kind if the same thing.

No it's not even remotely the same thing.

 

[massivekettle]

Imagine if Microsoft took a cut of everything that was sold on Steam, kind if the same thing.

Not really. The same thing would be Microsoft not allowing Steam in the first place, and forcing customers to buy games and apps through its Windows/Xbox store, and collecting a 30% cut.

 

[JLB]

Oh, and please Epic, make it less obvious. Respond with a 65+ page lawsuit less than an hour after the ban?

 

[Grinchy]

Damn, this sounds like it's going exactly to plan. Don't ask me what the full plan is, but they knew Apple would respond this way. This is getting interesting!

 

[llien]

I get that Apple controls a large share of the market, but it sounds as though Epic made this change randomly and without consulting Apple.

Yeah, stupid fucks.
And Microsoft dared develop that streaming service without consulting Apple.
Oh, and Stadia thing too, without asking Apple.

Apple blocks Microsoft xCloud and Google Stadia from the App Store, leaving Android as the only mobile OS for cloud gaming

Apple has blocked Microsoft xCloud and Google Stadia from the App Store citing policy violations, leaving Android as the only mobile OS for cloud gaming.

www.xda-developers.com

Surely it is not a-ssholery, but something wrong with Microsoft and Google.

Oh, and please Epic, make it less obvious. Respond with a 65+ page lawsuit less than an hour after the ban?

Spotify filed before them.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I don't see Epic winning here

 

[phil_t98]

Wow, assholes asking for ransom (oh, and Google is much milder at it, but good try) and the victim are "as bad".

But epic wanted to gain access to the high user base of apple and google so that was the terms they signed up for. Remember its only just about company’s making money

 

[Drunkensamurai]

Apple doesn't need Fortnite but Epic needs Fortnite on iOS. Parents worldwide are rejoicing.

 

[Journey]

Can't fault Apple tbh. You gotta pay the piper...

1/3 of your profits is not paying the piper, its getting piped by the piper

 

[godhandiscen]

Meh, let them fight.

Years ago we were bitching about micro transactions, now we have accepted them and are defending the king of micro transactions who bullies other platforms thanks to their CCP backed investment.

Fuck the both of them.

 

[phil_t98]

LOL Man City bought the UEFA/FIFA FFP is dead.

Actually uefa didn’t have any concrete evidence it was all speculative so that why Man City won. It was all through leaked emails that had been altered as well. I am no Man City fan but i ain’t a fan of FFP,

 

[llien]

But epic wanted to gain access to the high user base of apple and google so that was the terms they signed up for. Remember its only just about company’s making money

Yeah, that's what Besoz said.
"Oh, we stole the idea, undercut tham and are now selling that stuff... so what, they signed up to selling on our platform, so it implies that stuff".

Absolutely totally no problem.

PS
Dear god, I am disgusted with this thread...

 

[-Arcadia-]

Damn, I knew the Fortnite Season 3 storyline finale was going to be crazy, but I never saw this coming.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

I don't see Epic winning here

This has been planned out in advance for months by Epic. I assume Apple is at least somewhat surprised. It looks like Epic has predicted the next few dominoes to fall here. It's possible "winning" isn't their play here.

 

[Drunkensamurai]

Meh, let them fight.

Years ago we were bitching about micro transactions, now we have accepted them and are defending the king of micro transactions who bullies other platforms thanks to their CCP backed investment.

Fuck the both of them.

This. Fuck'em both.

 

[phil_t98]

Yeah, that's what Besoz said.
"Oh, we stole the idea, undercut tham and are now selling that stuff... so what, they signed up to selling on our platform, so it implies that stuff".

Absolutely totally no problem.

PS
Dear god, I am disgusted with this thread...

as i said they were happy to sign up and gain access to googles and apples user base

 

[godhandiscen]

Imagine if Microsoft took a cut of everything that was sold on Steam, kind if the same thing.

They take a cut off everything sold on Xbox. The cut is smaller though.
In fact, the gaming division is profiting now thanks to micro transactions.

 

[hemo memo]

Good on Apple. Epic agreed on the rules so they shouldn’t violate them or get a special treatment from Apple. You don’t want a %30 cut Epic you shouldn’t put your game there.

 

[llien]

as i said they were happy to sign up and gain access to googles and apples user base

All they got from the said overlords was letting it be one of the HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF APPS in some store.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

WTF i love fortnite now.

I hope this war bring Apple, Google, Facebook down a notch.

Fuck 'em all.

 

[phil_t98]

All they got from the said overlords was letting it be one of the HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF APPS in some store.

Yeah but epic were happy to sign up that contract to the terms and conditions. I ain’t saying its right the 30% both google and apple take but epic could of said nah not putting the game on there

 

[-Arcadia-]

Some of the hot takes in here, lol.

Gaming side is brilliant users intermixed with oatmeal brains.

 

[llien]

Spotify Targets Apple With European Commission Complaint About Music Service, Alleging “Unfair Advantage” Due To Fees For Streaming

Spotify has filed a lawsuit against Apple with European Commission regulators, alleging that the so-called "Apple tax" gives Apple an "unfair advantage" over rival companies.

deadline.com

And stop mentioning Apple and Google as if they are the same: THEY ARE NOT, android phones can connect to other stores.

Apple level assholery is unprecedented.

epic were happy to sign up that contract

Epic was as happy to sign up that contract, as The Standard Oil customers were "happy" to buy overpriced gas from sole provider.

 

[TriSuit666]

One of my relatives publishes a small app which makes a reasonable amount in dlc content, each month, he said he literally wouldnt be able to afford to pay his bills if he published his app on Apple‘s store because of the commission.

 

[llien]

EU opens Apple antitrust investigations into App Store and Apple Pay practices

The investigations will look at whether Apple favors its own services over the competition

www.theverge.com

 

[Aion002]

Meh, let them fight.

Years ago we were bitching about micro transactions, now we have accepted them and are defending the king of micro transactions who bullies other platforms thanks to their CCP backed investment.

Fuck the both of them.

It's because gaas now matters for some, way more than traditional games.

Honestly you are right... Fuck them both. Apple sucks and Epic too.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

This is Epic right now...

Let's f******* go!

 

[phil_t98]

Spotify Targets Apple With European Commission Complaint About Music Service, Alleging “Unfair Advantage” Due To Fees For Streaming

Spotify has filed a lawsuit against Apple with European Commission regulators, alleging that the so-called "Apple tax" gives Apple an "unfair advantage" over rival companies.

deadline.com

And stop mentioning Apple and Google as if they are the same: THEY ARE NOT, android phones can connect to other stores.

Apple level assholery is unprecedented.



Epic was as happy to sign up that contract, as The Standard Oil customers were "happy" to buy overpriced gas from sole provider.

Again epic had the choice not to put it on the store. They were happy to put it there to gain userbase and make millions off the trasactions

 

[jshackles]

Apple is looking less and less like the device to buy, if you want to play games on it

 

[llien]

Again epic had the choice not to put it on the store.

As well as The Standard Oil customers had a choice to just walk somewhere, instead of buying overpriced gas.
Remind me, how it ended.

 

[phil_t98]

The Fortnite Mega Drop - Permanent Discounts Up to 20%

Announcing the Fortnite Mega Drop. Save up to 20% on all Fortnite purchases on PlayStation, Xbox, Nintendo Switch, PC and on mobile when using select payment methods.

www.epicgames.com

Epic files suit against Apple after Fortnite pulled from iOS App Store [Updated]

Google Play pulls the game too following attempt to skirt in-app purchase rules.

arstechnica.com

Seems like a giant middle finger to Apple and Google.

Also if you look epic not being as nice as everybody is saying , look at the prices. Apple takes 30% and epic charging 7.99 so they just getting more money

 

[blakdecaf]

I see both sides to this.

on one hand it’s a shitty thing to cut people out of a game because of the platform they’ve chosen to have, and on the other it’s Apple’s platform and they can do what they want to. They won’t lose money from it, so probably don’t care.

 

[JLB]

Yeah, stupid fucks.
And Microsoft dared develop that streaming service without consulting Apple.
Oh, and Stadia thing too, without asking Apple.

Apple blocks Microsoft xCloud and Google Stadia from the App Store, leaving Android as the only mobile OS for cloud gaming

Apple has blocked Microsoft xCloud and Google Stadia from the App Store citing policy violations, leaving Android as the only mobile OS for cloud gaming.

www.xda-developers.com

Surely it is not a-ssholery, but something wrong with Microsoft and Google.


Spotify filed before them.

I mean, I get that what Apple is doing is greedy. But if you are going to use its platform, no matter if you are Epic, Microsoft or whatever, you should play with their rules.
Or not, and do a lawsuit.
But this was clearly planned from the beginning. They did it on purpose, kind of a gaf suicidal account strategy to fire the lawsuit right next to that.

 

[Lupin3]

I don't see Epic winning here

They already won, at least according to themselves. They would never have tried this otherwise.

 

[phil_t98]

Imagine if Microsoft took a cut of everything that was sold on Steam, kind if the same thing.

Not really as steam is a storefront within windows owned by somebody else where this is google and apples own store front. Dont forget steam takes a chunk of cash to

 

[Rean no Kiseki]

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Tim Sweeney is a stooge for his Chinese masters but Apple is also well known for kowtowing to China for market access. Is there a way that can both lose here?

 

[jshackles]

I see both sides to this.

on one hand it’s a shitty thing to cut people out of a game because of the platform they’ve chosen to have, and on the other it’s Apple’s platform and they can do what they want to. They won’t lose money from it, so probably don’t care.

At peak, we process tens of thousands of transactions per minute across the globe.

Assuming that a good portion of those transactions are on iOS, and Apple gets 30% of those, yeah it's safe to assume Apple is going to lose a shit load of money by delisting Fortnite. Whether it's enough money for Apple to care or not...

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Fuck Apple lmao.

 

[CrysisFreak]

I'm not an Apple user, but in this case I'm on Apple's side.
Their device, their ecosystem, their operating system and that's it.
Don't like it? Go make your own.
Fucking commie cucks "eeeh memememe you need to eeeh you need to good faith fair play let me in fuck your IP"
No one forces Epic to be on AppStore. They have all the freedom as long as they can back it up.
Fight me I'm the ultimate hater of communism mate.

 

[zeorhymer]

That lawsuit...larf.

EG: You pulled our game!
A: You breached a contract.
EG: We'll sue you.
A: You broke the contract.
EG: Help judge, can't you see it's for the customers!

 

[TheGrat1]

https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/13/21366438/apple-fortnite-ios-app-store-violations-epic-payments

Apple does not fuck around.