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[CrysisFreak]

Appreciate the comments. Sounds like a short wait will be worth it.

Yeah I learned those things real quick when I got an RTX2070 last year, I was surprised to find out that I can get 1080p120fps basically everywhere, but you need a decent CPU too if you want a triple digit framerate.

 

[ResilientBanana]

More like the COVID effect.

 

[MasterCornholio]

More like the COVID effect.

Switch and the PS4 are doing much better so I don't think it's Covid.

Alot of people said that they probably cut supplies down due to a new One S releasing later on. And shortly after that the new systems will arrive. It makes sense to get rid of the older models by letting the stocks dry up.

 

[DarkMage619]

NPD doesn't release numbers anymore. They usually get leaked by people who have them.

It's up to you to choose to believe them or not. Just like you have to choose to believe that the PS5 is broken.

When did I say the PlayStation was broken dude? Just quote me. Again I asked for evidence of the claim that Xbox sold 17K consoles and blamed it on Gamepass. YOU can believe that if you want. I want proof.

 

[Whitecrow]

If the few games they put out can be played on PC with game pass... xbox existence have almost no sense, and it shows.

 

[MasterCornholio]

When did I say the PlayStation was broken dude? Just quote me. Again I asked for evidence of the claim that Xbox sold 17K consoles and blamed it on Gamepass. YOU can believe that if you want. I want proof.

Which part are you not believing?

The actual sales numbers or that it's low because of gamepass?

Because the only thing that was released in Resetera were the numbers themselves. No proof that it was gamepass that was making them so low.

If you want to blame someone for the gamepass claim put it in the OPs speculation not the user on Resetera who supposedly released them.

 

[DarkMage619]

Which part are you not believing?

The actual sales numbers or that it's low because of gamepass?

Because the only thing that was released in Resetera were the numbers themselves. No proof that it was gamepass that was making them so low.

If you want to blame someone for the gamepass claim put it in the OPs speculation not the user on Resetera who supposedly released them.

Well the resetera part is kinda funny because there was a massive split with that site so I would think people here wouldn't trust anything from there. My point remains very simple. If the claim is that the Xbox sold 17K link me the news article talking about the report or the report itself. Otherwise its just a random claim from a dude on the internet and from resetera(!) no less and we know how people here take those claims especially when they are made about the PS5. Wasn't Dusk on reset? Those guys cannot be trusted!!

 

[MasterCornholio]

Well the resetera part is kinda funny because there was a massive split with that site so I would think people here wouldn't trust anything from there. My point remains very simple. If the claim is that the Xbox sold 17K link me the news article talking about the report or the report itself. Otherwise its just a random claim from a dude on the internet and from resetera(!) no less and we know how people here take those claims especially when they are made about the PS5. Wasn't Dusk on reset? Those guys cannot be trusted!!

When it comes to NPD Mat is probably the only credible source and the NPD group themselves.

Usually the numbers get leaked in some way shape or form. However these individuals are anonymous because they should be sharing those numbers that others are paying for.

With that said you can choose whether to believe it or not.

As for Dusk he hasn't given us any news only rumors. And rumors can become real or are false.

It's up to you to decide what you want to believe.

 

[DarkMage619]

When it comes to NPD Mat is probably the only credible source and the NPD group themselves.

Usually the numbers get leaked in some way shape or form. However these individuals are anonymous because they should be sharing those numbers that others are paying for.

With that said you can choose whether to believe it or not.

As for Dusk he hasn't given us any news only rumors. And rumors can become real or are false.

It's up to you to decide what you want to believe.

Big news usually gets reported. IGN or Gamespot should have an article sooner or later. This is especially true if Gamepass is destroying the Xbox brand.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Big news usually gets reported. IGN or Gamespot should have an article sooner or later. This is especially true if Gamepass is destroying the Xbox brand.

NPD sales are never big news since the numbers are anonymous for the most part. They usually only post what the NPD group gives out.

Ghost of Tsushima Is July 2020's Best-Selling Game, Sucker Punch's Fastest-Selling Game Ever - IGN

Ghost of Tsushima was the best-selling game of July 2020, and it is also Sucker Punch Productions fastest-selling release of all-time.

www.ign.com

 

[Grinchy]

Wait, people think a 9-1 sales margin is ok because the company who is pledging continued support for last gen stopped making the product it will continue supporting? This makes absolutely no sense to me.

It also begs the question in my mind --> Why is MS still holding back first parties by making them support a machine that MS seems to have little interest in right now? We've seen how the flagship turned out because of this, and if last gen is so unimportant in terms of hardware production, then why haven't they changed course yet for software?

Yep because clearly there was never actually a plan to continue supporting last-gen and it was just a brilliant PR spin to cover up the fact that all they had for up to a couple years would be whatever was currently in the works for the failing Xbone. So, they can tweak some settings, say it's a "next-gen game" and sell some lie about how it's easy to scale this amazing "next-gen" game back to last-gen so no xbox gamer is held back.

There are still people who believe the transparent (yet brilliant) PR, but I'm seeing more and more people coming around to reality about it. It didn't help that their biggest showcase of cross-gen support was a game that was clearly in development hell and looked terrible no matter what generation it was supposed to be from.

 

[DaGwaphics]

It also begs the question in my mind --> Why is MS still holding back first parties by making them support a machine that MS seems to have little interest in right now? We've seen how the flagship turned out because of this, and if last gen is so unimportant in terms of hardware production, then why haven't they changed course yet for software?

Do we know how many direct first-party titles are being forced to support the X1? Has anyone put a list together?

 

[MrFunSocks]

Companies do not ship X units of a product if they do not see demand for that product. If Microsoft isn't shipping Xbox Ones, then most likely it's due to the lack of demand for Xbox Ones.

You would want to sell as many Xbox Ones before the XSX comes out. Consumers who want an XB1 aren't the same people who will want to buy the XSX at launch. The more XB1's you sell, the more people you lock into the Xbox ecosystem which means more revenue.

The person who leaked these numbers literally says the numbers were due to lack of supply, no lack of demand. Are you going to believe the numbers but not the reason?

 

[MrFunSocks]

Wait, people think a 9-1 sales margin is ok because the company who is pledging continued support for last gen stopped making the product it will continue supporting? This makes absolutely no sense to me.

It also begs the question in my mind --> Why is MS still holding back first parties by making them support a machine that MS seems to have little interest in right now? We've seen how the flagship turned out because of this, and if last gen is so unimportant in terms of hardware production, then why haven't they changed course yet for software?

Which MS first party studios are making XB1 games atm? Halo was in development as an XB1 game for years before the SX was a thing.

 

[VincentMatts]

Switch and the PS4 are doing much better so I don't think it's Covid.

Alot of people said that they probably cut supplies down due to a new One S releasing later on. And shortly after that the new systems will arrive. It makes sense to get rid of the older models by letting the stocks dry up.

Yeah maybe. It does make sense to wanna push the next XSS instead of xbox one S or X. It makes developing games easier that way if the sales are mostly the new generation. My friend wanted to buy an xbox one X and he couldnt find one so i assume its just that they arent making any new ones.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Yeah maybe. It does make sense to wanna push the next XSS instead of xbox one S or X. It makes developing games easier that way if the sales are mostly the new generation. My friend wanted to buy an xbox one X and he couldnt find one so i assume its just that they arent making any new ones.

Although even if supplies were good I wouldn't expect them to perform similarly to the other two. Xbox hardware sales have been declining alot lately.

 

[magnumpy]

this is horrible! we need as many alternatives as possible in order to suffocate the horrendous deviants at nintendo

 

[VincentMatts]

Although even if supplies were good I wouldn't expect them to perform similarly to the other two. Xbox hardware sales have been declining alot lately.

Xbox consoles are sold out almost everywhere — here's where you can still buy one

If you thought Nintendo Switches were hard to find, try getting ahold of an Xbox right now.

mashable.com

 

[Three]

It also begs the question in my mind --> Why is MS still holding back first parties by making them support a machine that MS seems to have little interest in right now? We've seen how the flagship turned out because of this, and if last gen is so unimportant in terms of hardware production, then why haven't they changed course yet for software?

Because it has interest in the 50M+ install base's wallets for subscription money.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Xbox consoles are sold out almost everywhere — here's where you can still buy one

If you thought Nintendo Switches were hard to find, try getting ahold of an Xbox right now.

mashable.com

Well even with the stocking problems that the Switch has it's still outselling the other two by large amounts. That's indicates a really strong demand for the device. The PS4 is still found in many locations but it's still selling about more than the Xbox.

After reading that article I'm still unsure on how much demand there is for Xbox at the moment. I know the supply is bad but the demand can also be bad as well.

 

[Three]

More like the COVID effect.

Covid actually boosted console sales.

 

[danielJackson]

It's impossible to find new stock for xbox one X out there. I had to settle for a refurbish one

I just saw them on every store I visited, with red sale labels as they dont move. (Same story since 2013 launch, always plenty of xbox)

Also tons of one s.

So if xbox would be so supply restricted, why it is easy to buy on EU?

Or MS sucks at supplying them? Sends too many to EU which doesnt want them, and then not enough to best selling area?

 

[JustP_Gaming]

Did Phil say he doesn't care that much about console sales because he knew July NPD numbers were going to be terrible? Can Gamepass maintain steady growth if Xbox moves low hardware numbers? Either way you need hardware to utilize Gamepass may it be a PC or Xbox.

Switch 340k
PS4 150k
XB1 17k

You do realize a new much more powerful system is only months away, gamepass can be played on phone and tablets as well as soon to be announced Samsung TVs. They will be fine.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

The person who leaked these numbers literally says the numbers were due to lack of supply, no lack of demand. Are you going to believe the numbers but not the reason?

These are not mutually exclusive. In fact, they go more hand-in-hand, hence the saying, supply and demand. The amount of supply is dependent on the amount of demand present in the market. The PS4 and Switch had no problems selling large numbers of units because there was demand for those platforms.

Why is the Xbox One having a lack of supply? It can't be due to shipment issues because otherwise, that would've affected the PS4 and Switch, as well. It has to be a reason that would only affect the Xbox One. Either (1) Microsoft deliberately reduced shipments or (2) the demand is simply not there and as such, Microsoft reduced shipments to avoid overstocking. Reason 1 would not make much sense because as stated, a consumer that wants an Xbox One is not someone who would buy an XSX at launch. In addition, since Microsoft is focusing on GAAS, it would behoove them to increase the amount of active users. Selling more Xbox Ones to consumers would achieve that goal.

 

[DaGwaphics]

It's almost impossible to correlate demand based on supply, obviously, with the exception of overstock. Very little supply has been available for months, whether that is directly supply chain related, or something to do with future unreleased products, or shipping issues due to covid, it's impossible to say how many units would have sold if they were on the shelf. The steady price scalping does indicate demand however, these parties would have lowered prices already if some suckers weren't willing to pay.

 

[MrFunSocks]

These are not mutually exclusive. In fact, they go more hand-in-hand, hence the saying, supply and demand. The amount of supply is dependent on the amount of demand present in the market. The PS4 and Switch had no problems selling large numbers of units because there was demand for those platforms.

Why is the Xbox One having a lack of supply? It can't be due to shipment issues because otherwise, that would've affected the PS4 and Switch, as well. It has to be a reason that would only affect the Xbox One. Either (1) Microsoft deliberately reduced shipments or (2) the demand is simply not there and as such, Microsoft reduced shipments to avoid overstocking. Reason 1 would not make much sense because as stated, a consumer that wants an Xbox One is not someone who would buy an XSX at launch. In addition, since Microsoft is focusing on GAAS, it would behoove them to increase the amount of active users. Selling more Xbox Ones to consumers would achieve that goal.

They don’t go hand in hand when the supply is intentionally cut off because they don’t want to keep making consoles that they are replacing in less than 6 months.

Why are people having such a hard time believing this? Yes, Covid has caused supply issues for the other 2 consoles as well, but they are still being supplied. Xbox is not being supplied because they cut production intentionally. Like this isn’t a hard thing to grasp. They are done with the Xbox one, hence why they cut production. That’s all there is to it. Demand plays no part in it. Microsoft has cut and run with every single generation. This isn’t new or unheard of.

More users is great, but do you really think that a user only jumping in to the generation in year 7-8 is going to be providing them with lots of revenue? I’ll answer that - no, they won’t. Those customers won’t be buying a Series X for another 7+ years, so they’re of very little value.

I don’t know why you question if maybe MS cut supply - we know they did. They literally discontinued the One X, their latest console. They discontinued their second newest console, the One All Digital. Do you see a pattern here?

 

[MrFunSocks]

Appreciate the comments. Sounds like a short wait will be worth it.

If you want a nice console-like PC that can play anything out there today at 1080p30fps at the bare minimum, 1080p60fps for most games with ultra or a mix of ultra and high settings, take a look at the Intel Hades Canyon NUC.

I bought one a few months back as my first real foray into PC gaming since my Pentium 3, and it’s fantastic. It’s more expensive, but the form factor is ridiculously amazing - about the size of the PSOne! You don’t have to put anything together and worry about compatibility, it’s plug and play. Could not be happier with mine. Was even made with VR in mind, having a second HDMI out on the front, and about 8 USB 3 ports.

 

[Trogdor1123]

If you want a nice console-like PC that can play anything out there today at 1080p30fps at the bare minimum, 1080p60fps for most games with ultra or a mix of ultra and high settings, take a look at the Intel Hades Canyon NUC.

I bought one a few months back as my first real foray into PC gaming since my Pentium 3, and it’s fantastic. It’s more expensive, but the form factor is ridiculously amazing - about the size of the PSOne! You don’t have to put anything together and worry about compatibility, it’s plug and play. Could not be happier with mine. Was even made with VR in mind, having a second HDMI out on the front, and about 8 USB 3 ports.

Interesting, I really want a small footprint too. Could you link it?

 

[magaman]

You do realize a new much more powerful system is only months away, gamepass can be played on phone and tablets as well as soon to be announced Samsung TVs. They will be fine.

Only an idiot would frame this as "fine." Your competitors are stomping a mudhole in you at a rate of 10:1 on the low side.

These apologists. I swear.

 

[DaGwaphics]

If you want a nice console-like PC that can play anything out there today at 1080p30fps at the bare minimum, 1080p60fps for most games with ultra or a mix of ultra and high settings, take a look at the Intel Hades Canyon NUC.

I bought one a few months back as my first real foray into PC gaming since my Pentium 3, and it’s fantastic. It’s more expensive, but the form factor is ridiculously amazing - about the size of the PSOne! You don’t have to put anything together and worry about compatibility, it’s plug and play. Could not be happier with mine. Was even made with VR in mind, having a second HDMI out on the front, and about 8 USB 3 ports.

Completely off topic, but what is the noise like on that. I really just game with console, but have been considering a nuc for everyday usage. Do they sound like a hair dryer or what?

Edit: Nevermind, I see the Hades Canyon is the gaming one, so not the same profile. LOL must Google first.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Interesting, I really want a small footprint too. Could you link it?

Sure thing:

Hades Canyon NUC review: Intel taps AMD's Radeon Vega graphics for a powerful mini-PC

Intel's Hades Canyon NUC may be the size of a VHS tape, but it has some serious gaming chops.

www.pcworld.com

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The preconfigured one I bought has 12GB of RAM, a Vega dGPU as well as intel integrated, an i7, a 1TB SSD, and Windows 10. It’s ridiculously small form factor - the power brick is as big as it is in length/width! I can play Forza Horizon 4 at locked 1080p60fps with zero drops on ultra settings.

Completely off topic, but what is the noise like on that. I really just game with console, but have been considering a nuc for everyday usage. Do they sound like a hair dryer or what?

Edit: Nevermind, I see the Hades Canyon is the gaming one, so not the same profile. LOL must Google first.

I’ve got another i5 NUC, not a gaming one, as my media server and it’s fantastic, though the fan does blow an absolute gale and make a lot of noise when it’s doing even pretty basic things like transcoding video for plex, or downloading and unpacking Usenet files. Watching 1080p video on it will even make it extremely loud unfortunately.

For web browsing and general day to day tasks though they’re amazing. The non devs at my work all use them and have no complaints. You pay for the size but I think it’s worth it.

 

[Megatron]

What’s the reason for supply issues? Retail didn’t expect to sell as many as 17k Xbox? MS didn’t make as many because they didn’t expect them to sell?

Global supply chain has taken a bruising, but multinational mega corps would not be caught off guard like what we’re seeing with Xbox here. Things are still moving just fine, I know because I deal with chynah imported goods en masse.

Seems that MS has decided to stop shipping (or dramatically reduce) Xbox ones for some reason. Maybe to prep for the next gen system? Trying to encourage people to buy the next system by making the old one hard to find? Trying to create excitement by making xboxes hard to find so people’s FOMO kick in? Not working, since nobody even noticed they weren’t available, lol.

 

[JustP_Gaming]

Only an idiot would frame this as "fine." Your competitors are stomping a mudhole in you at a rate of 10:1 on the low side.

These apologists. I swear.

You re an idiot if you think its 10to1 do you have official total Xbox sales figures by chance?

 

[magaman]

You re an idiot if you think its 10to1 do you have official total Xbox sales figures by chance?

It's in this thread. Jesus Christ, 17k Xbox vs 150k PS4. Are you blind?

 

[Reallink]

Think there getting rid off stock ready for the 3 new consoles. One s v2, series s and x. The one x and regular one s are no more.

I don't understand how a One S V2 makes any business sense. At some point the cost of operating/maintaining the extra manufacturing line for deprecated legacy components, case, packaging, and shipping should make the device a money sink with no benefit to MS.

 

[MasterCornholio]

I don't understand how a One S V2 makes any business sense. At some point the cost of operating/maintaining the extra manufacturing line for deprecated legacy components, case, packaging, and shipping should make the device a money sink with no benefit to MS.

Honestly it makes me think that it will be cheaper than the Xbox Series S. Which makes me doubt a price of 299$ for the Series S unless this thing is 199$.

I'm guessing it's going to be for the really budget minded and will be a vehicle for gamepass.

 

[Texas Pride]

More like the COVID effect.

Consoles are sold out precisely because of people being locked down due to COV 19.

 

[odhiex]

I'm just gonna say that Gamepass is great for MS core business, which is to grow the XBOX ecosystem. However, for boosting the sales of XBOX hardwares would not be much.

There are reasons on why Nintendo and PlayStation systems sold very well outside the U.S.

Plus, I don't know what the future holds for gaming subscriptions. Just like the streaming landscape, the success of Netflix seems invited many major movie studios to make their own.

Netflix is now overly relying on its original series/movies, cause it is fairly difficult to get licenced movies/shows with big movie studios like Disney, WB, Universal, etc nowadays.

 

[Vawn]

This is somehow Don Mattrick's fault.

 

[ExKing]

Gamepass effect. No...
Just 2 systems - All Digital and Xbox One X - out of market... That's all.

 

[Shmunter]

HISTORY showed they won't match the success of the others. MS has been in the console game for 20 years. They have NEVER beat Nintendo or Sony. They did business the same way Nintendo and Sony did and failed at it. It would be insanity to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result.

Comparing company size who is MS most like; Amazon and Google or Sony and Nintendo? MS has more things going on than just gaming and Xbox is just one of their many ventures just like Google and Amazon have many ventures. I totally see MS, Google, and Amazon as competitors.


Well with no proof I'll choose to leave it. If we can disregard negative PS5 news when their is no proof I can do the same with negative Xbox news. Fair is fair. Again if you want o post the report I'll retract my statement.


Who is mad sir? And complaining about what? I simply asked for proof of a supposed 'news' report. I was told I won't get any and negative Xbox news should be true because a random person said so. I just choose not to. If you believe it that's your choice.

So it wasn’t Xbox comparing itself to Google and Amazon? It was the entire Microsoft? That’s weird.

 

[Kagoshima_Luke]

I was considering getting a One S for my kids, but the cheapest option on Amazon is over $400. I remember when they were $199 or even cheaper. No kidding people aren't buying Xbox consoles in July,

 

[Kdad]

Omg I forgot all about Stadia Damn hvnt heard nothing of it for awhile.

I'll keep reminding everyone

 

[Humdinger]

The person who leaked these numbers literally says the numbers were due to lack of supply, no lack of demand. Are you going to believe the numbers but not the reason?

To clarify, the person who leaked the numbers was different than the person who said they were due to lack of supply (Welfare). I forget the former person's name, but it's in the Ree thread that was linked. I want to say Dominion, something like that. They mentioned they'd been getting NPD leaks from him all year.

Seems that MS has decided to stop shipping (or dramatically reduce) Xbox ones for some reason. Maybe to prep for the next gen system? Trying to encourage people to buy the next system by making the old one hard to find? Trying to create excitement by making xboxes hard to find so people’s FOMO kick in? Not working, since nobody even noticed they weren’t available, lol.

They did decide to dial back production, but they didn't count on COVID driving up demand in the preceding months, which wiped out the supply on shelves for July. In other words, they didn't plan or intend to have so very little stock left on the shelves at this point. That's just a reflection of how things worked out (decision to dial back, then virus strikes).

That's my read on the situation, anyhow.

 

[Shmunter]

I was considering getting a One S for my kids, but the cheapest option on Amazon is over $400. I remember when they were $199 or even cheaper. No kidding people aren't buying Xbox consoles in July,

Kids dodged a bullet there

 

[JustP_Gaming]

It's in this thread. Jesus Christ, 17k Xbox vs 150k PS4. Are you blind?

I won't wasnt my time so take this

 

[Maxwell Jacob Friedman]

To be fair when have they had a great game last, lets be honest here people

 

[ResilientBanana]

Consoles are sold out precisely because of people being locked down due to COV 19.

They also are not being made for the same reason.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

The probably stopped manufacturing because people is not buying it. Also i dont think Series S will be lower than $400.

Sony will still sell PS4 for years I think, Xbox strategy is to move on and forget this gen ever happened.
I remember the PS2 outselling the PS3 for a while lol- although I don't expect something that crazy this time.

As a gamer I find it offensive that MS just stopped bringing out games. I don't game for the "hype" of next gen. Support your console dammit.

 

[Three]

I don't understand how a One S V2 makes any business sense. At some point the cost of operating/maintaining the extra manufacturing line for deprecated legacy components, case, packaging, and shipping should make the device a money sink with no benefit to MS.

Maybe because the One S V2 is like the xbox 360 E. They want to make a profit on it, they make a smaller die size console, maybe even without a ODD. But who knows, maybe it's Lockhart. Plays xbox one games just the same and has the CPU/SSD for next gen games.