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RedGamingTech: Xbox Series X Hot Chips Analysis Part 1 - GPU, CPU & Overview
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Yeah this one is a lot better than the DF video a little long though to be just part 1
JonnyMP3
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Didn't even realise it was only a part 1. So guessing part 2 will be RAM and SSD.
JonnyMP3
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Lysandros
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That's a Zen 3 feature apparently, it's in the video.If that's the RDNA2 design... Probably!
Edit: ZEN 2!God, I'm ill...
SmokSmog
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No, it would have been Zen 3 instead.
unified l3 CPU cache has nothing to do with RDNAIf that's the RDNA2 design... Probably!
Edit: ZEN 2!
JonnyMP3
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Completely missed the edit huh...
Lysandros
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Did you watch the video? I know it's one of the features of Zen 3 but he says there is a possiblity.
Probably just the onboard SRAM that will most likely be used as L3 across the chip for CPU & GPU.
Aceofspades
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So Hotchips brought a lot of Xbox fans dreams back to earth. No 32MB L3 Zen3, No 80Rops, no customized RT hardware that stomps RTX offerings.
It was fun to speculate lots of things in the past year, but honestly we ended up with two fantastically designed consoles.
It was fun to speculate lots of things in the past year, but honestly we ended up with two fantastically designed consoles.
SmokSmog
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10% chance
80CUs? are you drunk, we knew about XSX CU count in march. L3 cache was reduced as expected, PS5 has same amount as XSX and Renoir mobile APUs, I can assure you
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Lysandros
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He talks about the cpu L3 cache.Probably just the onboard SRAM that will most likely be used as L3 across the chip for CPU & GPU.
Hostile_18
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What does this mean in practical terms compared to the PC parts? Do they go some part to justify the much higher PC cost?
Aceofspades
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Have you seen Xbox rumors at the end of 2019, fans were trying to one-up anything revealed about PS5. Seems silly now, but then....oh boy
I know but in the end it will most likely be the on chip SRAM used as L3 cache for the whole SoC
SmokSmog
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Zen 2 released july 7 2019, it's more than 1 year old, we are waiting for Zen3 which will release in 2 months from now
NoMoChokeSJ
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Why make a new thread for this when there is already a hotchips thread?
JonnyMP3
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No. I avoid rumours... From all sides tbh.
eastwood333
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I don't recall Xbox fans stating any of that you mentioned. And so what if they speculated? All i see is Hot Chips stating that XSX's audio chip, design is just as capable as the PS5s, which sony/fans have been touting heavily. I guess you can basically take the PS5 superior audio narrative out of the equation now.
JonnyMP3
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eastwood333
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Yeah, cause sony fans haven't been doing the same thing? What about that 13tf non sense that many sony fans ran with? Or the magical fairy pixy dust and revolutionary of the SSD?
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M1chl
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L3 cache is specific name for CPU cache, yes the sram could be used as a cache, but not L3. It's just a name obviously...
But again why are we talking about PS5... some Moore Law is Dead shit inside that evalution video?
mckmas8808
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Why is that feature good?
Lysandros
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It improves latency.
Paul's video's have a Sony bias to them though. He has way too many PS5 secret sauce videos. "Insiders" giving him the scoop on RDNA 3 and now Zen 3 nonsense. He does have that accent though that works for these type of videos. Even though he calls the SOC (system on chip) a sock.
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waxer
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By thin air you must mean discussing the content of the video the thread is about.
I meant to say he is probably seeing the on-chip SRAM being used by the CPU & GPU & thinking that PS5 will have a larger L3 cache. I guess this would be L4
Physiognomonics
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Actually he is very neutral. He just has more infos about PS5 and people ask him much more about PS5. On the other hand Rich is very biased towards MS, always has being. DF have more info about Xbox because that info often comes from MS, not insiders, they are directly fed by MS. They always had a great collaboration.
martino
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ok so you too only see l3 ps5 cache in this 43 minute videos about xbox ?
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MrFunSocks
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I’m going to assume this video says some bad things about the Series X and points out how the PS5 will be better based on who posted it.
geordiemp
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Its in the video that we are discussing. Try watching it first might help.
Paul is a pC gamer, he is only interest in consoles is it gives him info on RDNA2 and PC stuff upcoming.
His leaks maybe right, maybe wrong. Time will tell. Anyway, XSX is also a blade server so would unified L3 help in that application ? MS did refer to the CPU as server class.
Maybe mS chose what they need for what they want to do ?
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Aceofspades
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No not really, its DF after all.
I also posted the DF video you silly people keep prejudging threads by the poster instead of reading or watching the videos.
MrFunSocks
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This isn’t DF...
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Aceofspades
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I double posted by mistake. Sorry
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Aceofspades
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80ROPs not CUs , that number was thrown around simply to claim that XSX was BIG NAVI while PS5 was LITE NAVI. It was also to make XSX rasterization and pixel fillrate higher than PS5 which again ended up not true.
JTCx
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So youre telling me that theres no extra 25 tf...and to top it off not 4x 2080ti combined?!
Stop this at once or get reported.
Aceofspades
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I must have posted in the wrong thread, I had multiple windows open. My mistake
waxer
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Is it not ironic that you extrapolated that from "By thin air you must mean discussing the content of the video the thread is about."
The very thing you accused others of doing.
But are you denying or going to ignore that unified l3 cache was discussed 11 minutes into the video.
This is a topic about a long video. People can't be expected to disuss all of the video in a single post. That's not how normal discussion works.
If I think a person has nice legs, you pointing out I didn't mention their eyes doesn't invalidate my statement.
Pointing out the reasons you disagree would however be adding to the conversation. No need to play the victim.
Join in and have some fun. Otherwise why even bother right? Life's to short to waste on upsetting yourself over other people's opinions or discussions that your not into.
Ms pushing those dual purpose server use is cool though. Suits their agenda I reckon.
Aceofspades
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It's over, Nvidia wins
Total monster!
nVidia is always ahead of AMD, they are still on a bigger node and achieving better performance and wattage. God have mercy on AMD the moment nvidia decide to go 7nm or lower.
Aceofspades
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Wasn't it 12nm? Or they moved to 7nm?
danielJackson
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Nothing from you "the ultimate xbox fan" is credible.
You can see what you want to see, but it is not that simple as "they are equally capable i guess".
Maybe they are, maybe not. But nothing is 100% sure until gen starts.
Sony is after all hardware company with decades of audio experience so their solution can be still more/different vs xbox.
Maybe both wont offer anything special and all are disapointed.
Silly to call anything 100% certain before gen starts and games show it
jimbojim
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Maybe it still is.
Tempest was designed like SPUs in Cell that can handle thousands of positional audio channels.
Transcribe - The Road to PS5 - Mark Cerny's a deep dive into the PlayStation 5 - - The Road to Next Gen Ludens
Thank you Jim. There will be lots of chances later on this year to look at the PlayStation 5 games.Today I want to talk a bit about our goals for the PlayStation 5 hardware and how they influenced the development of the console.
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