kyliethicc
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no man.
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MarkMe2525
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I think you're just seeing what you want to see. For my perspective I see a lot of the opposite. Hey, I could just be seeing what I went to see right?Why are Xbox fans having meltdown about RTX IO? I don't get it.
Edit - WTF I'm seeing man nudes here???
Sethbacca
Member
BUT IT'S FOR GAMEPASS! AND GAMEPASS IS XBOX! CHECKMATE PONIES!!!! or something I guess.
jonnyp
Member
Was he using a PCIE4.0 NVMe drive? Is DirectStorage out officially for the regular consumer on Windows 10?
ethomaz
Banned
Are you seeing a woman nudes? Crazy.
geordiemp
Member
No it is not working yet it seems. Well Borderlands 3 loaded slowly so no.
Story is MS saying next yer preview.
Saudumm
Member
It's not even out for developers.
MarkMe2525
Member
Ok... I wasn't asking for somebody to guess, I was asking somebody who actually knows to correct me if I am wrong. Because I think you are actually the one who is incorrect. I believe this to be so because a few devs were stating that on here last night. I mean they could be wrong, but I'm not a Dev
Not if you have an old surround system that still sounds great in 5.1.
Vae_Victis
Banned
How? What ? Uh???
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why the fuck did you post this shit here
What, you people always post Amanda Cerny for no reason every time a PS5 event is coming up. Can't Microsoft have their hot mascot too?
But OK, fine, maybe that's too much male nudity for GAF's prude standards. Better now?
kyliethicc
Member
Or Turing cards also have fixed function accelerators for decompression already?
Sinthor
Gold Member
What, you people always post Amanda Cerny for no reason every time a PS5 event is coming up. Can't Microsoft have their hot mascot too?
But OK, fine, maybe that's too much male nudity for GAF's prude standards. Better now?
Oh man...that's an awesome edit. That HAS to go on the train! Just too much!
ethomaz
Banned
I don't believe so...
Anandtech said that:
"The most significant innovation here, besides Microsoft providing a standardized API for the technology, is that Ampere GPUs are capable of directly decompressing assets."
"Offloading it from the CPU not only frees it up for other tasks, but ultimately it gets rid of a middleman entirely, which helps to improve asset streaming performance and game load times."
"None the less, it does require some real hardware improvements on the GPU end of things to handle all of these I/O requests and to be able to efficiently decompress various types of assets. "
So seems like they have to add "real hardware improvements" for that... I read like decompression units only available in Ampere.
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MarkMe2525
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Lol you got me there
Zoro7
Banned
I don't doubt the power difference at all. Don't get me wrong.Just saying.
Its just the cost of these things, then you get addicted to upgrading.....its game over.
MarkMe2525
Member
That is very true today. How true is it going to be in three or four years. Whether it's Microsoft Nvidia AMD or PlayStation 5, they are looking at the future road map of technologies and trying to implement them at a hardware or software level. This is because if they are just concerned about what people can do today then there is no innovation no reason to buy their next big thing.
Emmy
Neo Member
What CPU cores is Nvidia talking about? Zen 2 cores? What clock speeds do these CPU cores have?
IllegalLemon
Member
I have a feeling it's Tensor accelerated lossless compression coupled with DirectStorage serving as the backbone for RTXIO. Tensor cores are plenty powerful to handle compression/decompression, so I'm certain it's that.
kyliethicc
Member
They don't specify in the graphic. I doubt it would be referring to AMD CPUs.
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Entroyp
Member
You know what, let’s make that guy the official Xbox mascot and use that picture on all of their hype threads.
CrysisFreak
Banned
Wait what is Alex not only naked but gay too or did I get bamboozled lmao?
GameSeeker
Member
Nvidia is using a software based GPU solution. See this page and read the first comment: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforc...erated-storage-technology/#comment-5054185320
The software based solution runs on Ampere (3000 series) and the old Turing based cards (2000 series). This software solution will use GPU cycles to do the decompression. By contrast, the PS5 I/O subsystem is designed to have dedicated HW that does the decode without the need for any GPU cycles. RTXIO is a great advancement forward for the PC space, but it doesn't yet match the efficiency of the PS5 solution.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I think that's a different DF-er.. Herman or something.
TJC
Member
The way I see it pay 500 (I think) for a PS5. You get the best games and exclusive content in certain MP game's. Anything else play on PC. Xbox is literally redundant as a console now. Anyone who buys one is stupid. and if Sony follow suit with games going day and date anytime soon they will be in the same position as MS.Just saying.
BlueXImpulse
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I have the same questions. They were intentionally vague. Obviously they wouldn't directly reference Ryzen, but they could have at least mentioned Intel.
The conclusions are then, either the decompression is not as efficient as even XSX's let alone PS5's CPU core for CPU core, or they were talking about Jaguar cores. It's one or the other.
3liteDragon
Member
Interesting to see a few people suddenly realizing the importance of I/O next-gen after NVIDIA‘s presentation. Funny to see that these were the same people downplaying the PS5’s I/O capability without understanding why it was being touted so much. Just watch how the narrative regarding SSD’s and I/O shift dramatically before the consoles launch this year.
You know it’s almost as if Mark Cerny knew ahead of time how much of a game-changer I/O and management of data/asset streaming will be for the industry overall next-gen...
Just gonna leave this here. (timestamped)
And the quote from today’s PlayStation blog post that stood out to me the most:
blog.playstation.com
You know it’s almost as if Mark Cerny knew ahead of time how much of a game-changer I/O and management of data/asset streaming will be for the industry overall next-gen...
Just gonna leave this here. (timestamped)
And the quote from today’s PlayStation blog post that stood out to me the most:
Devs speak: How PS5 console’s ultra-high speed SSD and Tempest 3D AudioTech engine will enhance the future of gaming
Devs share initial thoughts on two distinguishing PS5 console features.
blog.playstation.com
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kyliethicc
Member
So that pic of that dude seems to be upsetting some of you guys, so here hope this helps.
Stay strong boys, we won't have to wait too much longer for the consoles.
Stay strong boys, we won't have to wait too much longer for the consoles.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
It's redundant if you want to game on PC..
If you don't, then it isn't.
I don't understand how people don't get this.. I"m a PC gamer and it's blatantly obvious why someone might not want to use a PC for gaming, it's an entirely different experience. Better in many ways, more of a pain in others.. but namely just different.
kyliethicc
Member
Well the GPU doing the decompression isn't exactly software is it? Thats still taxing the GPU hardware. Interesting.
BlueXImpulse
Banned
That further decreases the perf gap. I'd wager that when we get into the full swing of things and these SSDs are really leveraged that a 3080 won't perform 80-100% better than PS5/Series X. I don't know for sure how much performance you skim off, but it certainly won't be 80% at the end of it.
sircaw
Banned
So that pic of that dude seems to be upsetting some of you guys, so here hope this helps.
Stay strong boys, we won't have to wait too much longer for the consoles.
get those plastic skanks out of here
Games Dean
Member
Another day passes by. Why do I keep doing this to myself?
Well yeah makes sense you need hardware/software to make use of each other. But the compression is being done on the GPU which also brings to question what kind of performance hit does this have on GPU as its using GPU resources to make it happen. It explains the massive amount of cuda cores for the cards. I'd guess it uses quite a large amount of cuda cores for the compression. With it not being fixed function hardware dedicated to the task or a CPU doing it which afaik are more effiecent at de/compression than a GPU. You then have all the other latency issues you have with a PC to work with.
Basically you still cannot make like for like comparisons with ampere/pc to PS5/XSX
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Nickolaidas
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*PS5 has amazingly fast SSD*
PC Fan: "Pfah, some bullshit! SSD matters not, it's all about GPU, memory bandwidth and raw power!"
*Fastest ever on the planet PC SSD get announced*
PC Fan: OMFGODIYASD:OHASD:OAGHF:UTER:W&:SUGF:OTWE:IFRGS:F!!!!!!!
PC Fan: "Pfah, some bullshit! SSD matters not, it's all about GPU, memory bandwidth and raw power!"
*Fastest ever on the planet PC SSD get announced*
PC Fan: OMFGODIYASD:OHASD:OAGHF:UTER:W&:SUGF:OTWE:IFRGS:F!!!!!!!
cudiye
Member
Another day passes by. Why do I keep doing this to myself?
at least we got the playoffs
Isn't the 7gb/s still slower than the ps5 one tho?
IllegalLemon
Member
This I/O handling capability is apparently available to both rtx 20 and 30 series gpus. These two architectures share 2 common features, RTcores and Tensor Cores. RT cores can't be used in decompression since their one and only purpose is accelerating ray intersection calculations and Bvh traversal. It's possible that it's the Tensor Cores being used since they're in fact capable of handling compression/decompression workloads and can be considered as fixed function acceleration units. It's possible that, that might be the key piece of the puzzle.
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Felessan
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IO itself only takes 2 cores. Decompression takes another 22 (see compressed vs decompressed).
And decompression on GPU is an old story, it just it eats some of TFlops performance, so Sony/MS went for fixed function accelerators to conserve GPU performance for other tasks.
GameSeeker
Member
The GPU or CPU doing the decompression is the very definition of a software based solution. Nvidia's solution spends both GPU cycles as well a few CPU cycles to do the decompression.
Emmy
Neo Member
Raw bandwidth is higher than on PS5. But it's not the only thing that matters...
ethomaz
Banned
7GB/s is RAW performance... so no it is a bit faster than PS5 SSD with the difference of the number of lanes (that makes PS5 a bit better at the same speed).
It is basically the SSDs Sony was waiting to certificate to use on PS5.
The 1.5GB/s more RAW performance is enough to compensate the lower lanes (PS5 12 x 4? that SSD).
Neo Blaster
Member
Meaning Sony's API is more optimized cause it targets a single hardware.RTX I/O = DIRECT Storage API = Big win for Xbox and Microsoft. Microsoft did what Sony did I/O wise but made it universal with PC and Console DX12U.
ethomaz
Banned
That not looks to be the case on Ampere.
"None the less, it does require some real hardware improvements on the GPU end of things to handle all of these I/O requests and to be able to efficiently decompress various types of assets."
kyliethicc
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jimbojim
Banned
Which first commen?. In article or in comments section?
Emmy
Neo Member
Well... Really clever marketing from Nvidia, what can I say. They just used a big number to make claims about their hardware, but didn't provide any meaningful metrics here. Sad.
Besides that, since PC is an open platform, and there's a lot of possible configurations, we have even less room for speculation.
ethomaz
Banned
"Hi. RTX IO is supported on all GeForce RTX Turing and NVIDIA Ampere-architecture GPUs."
It is the admin comment... that doesn't means much because nVidia is used to implemente software way in old GPUs and add hardware way on new GPUs.
RT is a clear example like GTX 1080 does RT via software while RTX 2080 does RT via RT Cores.
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ThaMonkeyClaw
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I think Mark Cerny mentioned that the reason the add-on NVMe would need to be faster would be because of the difference in priority levels within the SSD controller which the added speed would be needed to cover some of the bandwidth overhead. I have a feeling the way the PS5 SSD is designed it will keep that raw 5.5GB/s all the time, where a PC NVMe drive varies.
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