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[DonJuanSchlong]

Nah. Sony is exploring. You are begging.

No begging here. HZD felt like a ubisoft wannabe. Not impressed. TLOU2 was a sjw story, hard pass.

Can we get on topic though? Would these games look worse or better, on much better hardware, please be honest this time around?

 

[jigglet]

Consoles will always punch way above their weight. And they will still produce both objectively and comparatively incredible looking games.

But come on, some of these threads are just pathetic. These new Nvidia cards are simply monstrous and there's just no point denying that.

 

[megreotsugua]

No begging here. HZD felt like a ubisoft wannabe. Not impressed. TLOU2 was a sjw story, hard pass.

Sure jan. Sony has 14 studios though.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

Sure jan. Sony has 14 studios though.

Sure Karen, whatever your say. Just be prepared when the same game on PC is better visually, technically, and performance wise, better then what you may believe.

 

[A.Romero]

While is true that exclusives produce the best production values and really squeeze everything the hardware has to offer, there is also value in what a no compromise experience offers.

Yes, you can play Cyberpunk or any big budget multiplat anywhere and get most of the experience but saying being able to play 4k/60 fps with all the effects turned up doesn't make a difference is like saying playing Wolfenstein in a PS4 doesn't really offer anything different than playing it on a switch.

Yes, consoles offer great value and games that can't be found anywhere else but PC offers the best graphical experience. It always has and always will.

If it's worth the extra expense for whatever offers over the console baseline is a different discussion and has a lot to do with how do each one of us perceive the value of money and how important is to have the best experience possible.

 

[Boss Mog]

It's almost as though to take advantage of the PS5 advantages you'll need a whole console as well. Go figure, have to buy new things when they come out

Yeah but when you buy a new console you get the whole thing. Most PC gamers upgrade certain components at certain times and don't change their whole rig at once. What I'm saying now is that for the next gen of games you'll have to change a whole bunch of stuff on your rig to take advantage of it and not many people can afford to do it all at once so devs on PC won't be able to design their games fully around this new tech for a few years at least. I can definitely see "SSD" show up in the minimum requirements for running a game in the future. I'm sure AMD will have an equivalent to RTX I/O as well eventually. Once all that stuff is commonplace devs will be able to really make use of it. Sony and MS have the advantage of being able to use that tech right now in their new consoles for their exclusives.

 

[megreotsugua]

Sure Karen, whatever your say. Just be prepared when the same game on PC is better visually, technically, and performance wise, better then what you may believe.

Sure horizon zero dawn already proved me wrong.

Continue begging when Sony release AAA game after AAA game coming from their world wide studios.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

Sure horizon zero dawn already proved me wrong.

Continue begging when Sony release AAA game after AAA game coming from their world wide studios.

So why wouldn't HFW look and perform between on pc than ps5? You seen to have an ego built up.

 

[megreotsugua]

So why wouldn't HFW look and perform between on pc than ps5? You seen to have an ego built up.

I don't know man. I already told you I have a PC. Why do you keep insisting that 3x the TF wouldn't give at least higher resolution and fps? You get too little for what you pay for. HFW coming to PC is still in question. All Sony said they are exploring. You are begging.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

I don't know man. I already told you I have a PC. Why do you keep insisting that 3x the TF would give at least higher resolution and fps? You get too little for what you pay for. HFW coming to PC is still in question. All Sony said they are exploring. You are begging.

I already said the whole game seems like a bad spin off from ubisoft games. So I don't care if it does or doesn't come to pc, after playing HZD. That brings up my previous question. I'm not sure why you don't think HFW would look and play much better on PC, with 3x the power. Especially after the most recent shitty port. Even that played better on pc, especially now as the game has been patched. I'm not sure if you are trying to bait me, so I'll concede with my same beliefs. HFW will play better on PC than ps5, same with R&C.

 

[martino]

I have both actually.......It's what gave me perspective for the OP....


Yet, if anyone believes I'm upset or not calm. I wonder what words I used to communicate that feeling, because there is no such emotion here....If you can point out where I'm upset, I'll be sure to expunge such notions in any future debate so persons would not be mistaken in the future......As it stands, I'm very much in an eskimo outside of the igloo frame of mind...

Passive aggressive is a thing and the study linked earlier is probably bad at detecting it.
Your arguments are mostly done this way : it's not to be that guy but + heavily plastic love biased opinion

 

[Alexios]

Portables are the best, consoles just add more resolution and effects and polygons and performance, useless fluff basically, top tier exclusives on portables always wow with their visuals and performance too, like Mario Odyssey, consoles are just unecessarily expensive and overengineered.

 

[megreotsugua]

I'm not sure why you don't think HFW would look and play much better on PC, with 3x the power.

Now you're just trolling. Why wouldn't a 3x TF count give at least higher resolution or fps. You get too little for what you paid for.

Sony has 14 studios. Keep begging.

 

[megreotsugua]

Portables are the best, consoles just add more resolution and effects and polygons and performance, useless fluff basically, top tier exclusives on portables always wow with their visuals and performance too, like Mario Odyssey, consoles are just unecessarily expensive and overengineered.

Phones are the best. They can do a lot more than your switch. And they are more powerful and has more games.

 

[CrysisFreak]

Yes, I am convinced Sony knew much more than anyone assumed, what they were doing.

1.84Tflops vs over 13Tflops towards the last couple years of this generation and the best looking games were on PS4. That is 7 times the power and PS4 had a shit cpu.

Now PS5 will have a very decent CPU and a 10.3 tflop GPU vs 20 to 30 tflop GPU...... on average 2.5 times the available power.

We will still see production value in games on PS5 completely eclipse PC and less and less 3rd parties will be able to produce those games.

Even WB games is gone towards GAAS, so that is a lot of big narrative driven games lost on PC. You need Spider-man for that now.

Legit.
It's not like PC has a game like Crysis come out every year that really pushes it.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

Now you're just trolling. Why wouldn't a 3x TF count give at least higher resolution or fps. You get too little for what you paid for.

Sony has 14 studios. Keep begging.

Why wouldn't it? 3090 kills ps5 x3 plus. Definitely higher resolution and framerate. You'd be killing yourself to think otherwise. HFW native 60fps with all the fidelity the world could give you, only on PC. Why else would they be releasing on PC?

Legit.
It's not like PC has a game like Crysis come out every year that really pushes it.

Why would it need that with Sony games coming out for PC? Best of all worlds.

 

[Alexios]

Phones are the best. They can do a lot more than your switch. And they are more powerful and has more games.

More games don't matter, only Nintendo studios do. Just like those Sony 14 studios that other super fanboy was talking about. Except for real in N's case cos they make quality stuff, not drab boring repetitive ubi open world rip offs and remasters.

More powerful doesn't matter, that same super fanboy already established that, as well as the post you quote right there, duh. Keep up with the discussion already.

Portables won.

 

[megreotsugua]

Why wouldn't it? 3090 kills ps5 x3 plus. Definitely higher resolution and framerate. You'd be killing yourself to think otherwise. HFW native 60fps with all the fidelity the world could give you, only on PC. Why else would they be releasing on PC?

I'd be playing HFW on 2021 with all it's AAA production glory. PC gamers will continue to beg (not you specifically ).

 

[Explosive Zombie]

OP is the one clear cut fanboy that I just can't bring myself to put on the ignore list because he's just so damn committed. Like literally every single post for all the years I've been lurking has just been about how amazing everything sony does is. As far as respect for fanboys go, I gotta respect the dedication.

Complete fruitloop though.

It's weird seeing posts like this from you when the entire forum knows your purpose in any thread before seeing what the content of your post was, must be why you admire him?

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

I'd be playing HFW on 2021 with all it's AAA production glory. PC gamers will continue to beg (not you specifically ).

I don't mind taking those 14 studios under our wings, plus all the MS exclusives. Best of all worlds like I said. Best of ALLLLL worlds. Wish all studios would announce things as graciously as sony have. Anyways, good night bro.

 

[Nemesisuuu]

If you count 30fps as industry winning/leading then maybe.

 

[Bonfires Down]

I know that polls here have shown that most members are 30+ years old, but it’s really hard to believe.

Edit: Yo, PC dudes. I'm talking about you too. Actually you in particular.

 

[TonyK]

As PC gamer and console gamer myself, I understand the OP, but there is a hole in his logic. Yes, I actually play on PC because I can push the graphics further, but then Naughty Dog arrives with a game at 1440p without anisotropic and blows my mind. Until here, all correct. Problem is that OP elevates these games to the power of the hardware. No, it's related to human power.

It will be nice if the artists and techs from Naughty Dog make the next Elder Scrolls, but no, it will be made by Bugthesda and it will look and performance better in PC. That's a reality.

However, that's irrelevant because all we could play that game regardless of our machine. So, if you need arguments to justify PS5 is relatively more powerful than a PC, you are not caring for the games but for the hardware, so go and buy a powerful PC.

 

[Jack Videogames]

Trainwreck of a thread lol

 

[CuNi]

I had a bad time waking up today for some reason, but reading this made me realize, there are people out there that have it way harder than me!
TLW, I know we had our differences, but I hope everything turns out okay in your life so that you can move past the feeling of having to defend a console as if it would be a relative to you!
I know you can do it eventually!

 

[Barakov]

I know people are excited about Nvidia's recent announcement of 30 Tlop PC GPU's, but realistically they are just doubling the number of cuda cores per SM, similar to how you double the number of CPU cores per physical core. Yet more than that, in every generation, consoles never had the best hardware and in every generation the best GPU the PC had to offer was always much more expensive than consoles....

Yet we are back to the same old cycle with PC GPU's vs a console. The strongest PC GPU is never going to be leveraged by a dev or no one is going to give a dev the gargantuan budget they need to defy all graphics technology by developing solely for a 3090, because realistically the market would not be there to make it viable. PC devs have already been burnt by pursuing such. Look at Crysis, a stalwart developed for high end PC GPU's years ago, but whilst Crytek has been on the verge of going under numerous times, the dev who developed a very good looking but also fluid 60fps game in COD has made bank upon bank over the years. The fortnites are bringing all the cash, why? Accessibility, because these games can target a wider spread of the market. In truth, boasting about the best GPU is something that has no real impact on how games are made, which games are made and which games are pushing the graphical envelope anymore....

In PS4's era, you had 13.7-15TF GPU's in Vega, Pascal and Turing, but the hardware which consistently wowed people with visuals or visual engineering was the PS4, time after time. In order to exploit hardware, you need an end game, you need a solid installbase with good enough hardware where talented devs can utilize and maximize it's potential minus utility rez upgrades. By no means was PS4 anywhere close to the i7-i9's or the 1080ti's to 2080ti's, but it was where a solid enough installbase existed to fuel a proper investment and commitment to AAA development. In essence, there were some limitations last gen based on what could go into these consoles. Yet now, consoles will be decked with state of the art CPU's and GPU's, not mobile parts and just like a 1.84TF console with a lowly Jaguar gave us the best looking games in the last seven years over all the PC behemoth machines, I expect the 10TF custom hardware with a good GPU to do even more against the behemoth kits we will see on PC, simply because the PC power will never be utilized ground up, the high end cards will never have the installbase to warrant the AAA development and budgets in the consoles space.

As we have seen very often. PC has always stayed ahead of the consoles, but it has been the consoles always pushing visuals forward with every new generation........

 

[Flintty]

I will never understand this war.

 

[Magik85]

Still? Did they ever lead?

 

[DJT123]

No begging here. HZD felt like a ubisoft wannabe. Not impressed. TLOU2 was a sjw story, hard pass.

Can we get on topic though? Would these games look worse or better, on much better hardware, please be honest this time around?

I second this! PlayStation fans were hyping HZD up to the high heavens when it released on their little plastic box. I tried it out on PC recently, whatever, it ran fine and didn't crash once, but I was bored out of my mind after about 4 hours and went back to playing Pathfinder: Kingmaker & haven't touched it since. I honestly prefer Assassins Creed Odyssey. If the other PS exclusives are similarly overhyped they can keep them. Not paying 50$ for that crap upfront again. Games designed by focus group consent!

 

[Stooky]

If you count 30fps as industry winning/leading then maybe.

That means nothing.

 

[Dr Bass]

I’m primarily a console player that thinks these new cards are rad and am totally happy about them. I swear, what is wrong with some of you folk?

 

[Nemesisuuu]

That means nothing.

Impressive and 30fps do not go into the same sentence.

 

[anothertech]

When the real console exclusives start blowing minds, the PC guys will still be talking about Witcher 3 in 8k lol

 

[Stooky]

Sure Karen, whatever your say. Just be prepared when the same game on PC is better visually, technically, and performance wise, better then what you may believe.

It will be developed for and released on the console first before it hits pc. Cant wait to see maxed out WOW on 3080.....yeah!!!!

 

[Hawking Radiation]

lol let it go my man. dont you see how desperate this comes across?

Why are threads always end up with posts like these?

I just don't fucking get it. Are we not here to discuss things? Is this not a forum?

Half the page is already filled with driveby shitposts and were not even off the first page.

Y'all need to get yourselves checked.

 

[Nemesisuuu]

When the real console exclusives start blowing minds, the PC guys will still be talking about Witcher 3 in 8k lol

How it started, there won't be real console exclusives except Mario.

 

[Stooky]

Impressive and 30fps do not go into the same sentence.

More power cpu/gpu = more frame rate......its boring. Its like being amazed you made a poopy.

 

[anothertech]

How it started, there won't be real console exclusives except Mario.

PC still picking up the console bread crumbs

 

[Orta]

The insecurity and desperation.....

 

[DJT123]

When the real console exclusives start blowing minds, the PC guys will still be talking about Witcher 3 in 8k lol

When multi-plats start dropping, which 95% of games will be, Console guys will be in the basement playing them on their little plastic boxes instead of the way God intended, on a gaming platform that doesn't doesn't double as a childrens toy...

 

[Redlancet]

The moment people realise budgets make games look increíble all. This power nonsense will be over

 

[Nemesisuuu]

PC still picking up the console bread crumbs

And still you'll be able to play most of 'important' games on one platform.

For that 'poopy' comment few comments back - no comment, seems like triggered kid, when you are out of argument points you turn to insults.

 

[Eliciel]

Teardown or Tears

 

[Hawking Radiation]

When the real console exclusives start blowing minds, the PC guys will still be talking about Witcher 3 in 8k lol

The cretins will be wanking themselves silly to Witcher 3 in 8K at 2000fps.
$1000 GPU hamstrung by next gen consoles.

 

[faraany3k]

I will rent a PS5 after 3 4 years to play a handful of exclusives that consoles have to offer. Rest I am not willing to start over on a new platform with limited library.

 

[MightySquirrel]

I will never understand this war.

You have to admit it's funny seeing clickers try to perform all sorts of mind acrobatics to feel better about their little boxes.

 

[Arun1910]

Someone needs a hug.

 

[anothertech]

And still you'll be able to play most of 'important' games on one platform.

Important games... Like God of War, BotW, Uncharted 4, Spiderman, all those other game of the year, game of the generation winners?

Was amazing to see those on PC during the years they won. Ultra settings in 400fps. Mind blowing.

I bet this years winner will also be one of those 'important' games. lol

 

[Dr.D00p]

These new Nvidia cards are simply monstrous and there's just no point denying that.

But that is also part of the problem. Apart from maybe CD Project Red & Valve, There are simply no exclusively or predominately PC focused development studios left, that will ever push these new cards to their limits, there's just no money in it for them.

At the end of the day these new GPU's will only ever be pushed to said limits running console ports at higher resolutions and framerates.

 

[freefornow]

Hopefully they ditch XBOX ONE in a hurry, because as it stood, XBOX ONE held many multiplats back even this gen.......

Yeah, Red Dead 2 looked like an 8 bit game on PS4/Pro/X1X. Damn the XB1 for holding back how this game played/looked on release.